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TL Map Contest 6 - Results!

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TL Map Contest 6 - Results!

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May 19th, 2015 00:08 GMT


At long last, we're ready to announce the winners of TLMC6. This was a contest which sought innovative maps that would challenge players to reevaluate how they play the game. We feel that all the finalists delivered on this, but which ideas did the community find the best? Now that the public and progamers have had their say we can reveal the final ranking of the finalists.


Prizes


Blizzard have one-upped themselves from last season and for the first time ever we're able to offer a cash prize for the top three entries. In addition to this, all finalists will receive Beta access (if they do not already have access) in addition to a Community Commander portrait. The prize breakdown is as follows:


$1,000.00

FIRST PLACE

$500.00

SECOND PLACE

$250.00

THIRD PLACE

Provided by Blizzard.


Honorable Mentions



While not placing in the top three, the other finalists are all worthy of mentioning for how they try to push the metagame. From Dash and Terminal's wild natural/third design, to Moonlight Madness's insane back door, to the metagame breaking Noah's Ark or the sheer insanity of Mutiny. These maps would make for interesting games, and we hope that we get to see one or two of them used in the future.



Dash and Terminal | SeinGalton
Moonlight Madness | SidianTheBard

Mutiny | Timetwister22
Noah's Ark | Superouman




Winners


THIRD PLACE
Ecosphere | Enekh [Team Yeoul]

Ecosphere was narrowly the most preferred map by the progamers who voted, while the public didn't see the map so favorably. Nevertheless, after taking both into consideration Ecosphere was the clear third place for this contest. Ecosphere is a cross-only four player map which utilizes exposed back doors to add variety to the early game and create an accessibly fourth base come late game. During the midgame players can collapse the rocks in the center to create terrain for their advantage - for instance closing off the rocks near the gold base to better defend the position. Players have a lot of new options on this map, and we're interested to see how those will play out. Enekh will walk away with $250 as third prize.



SECOND PLACE
Bridgehead | Semmo

With it's striking BW aesthetic and unique layout, Bridgehead found appeal with both the public and progamers alike. The map was second on the public vote and third on progamer vote giving it a clear preference over third place. Bridgehead is going to force players to think carefully about how they plan to play this map. The wide main ramp and large backdoor into the natural means defending both main and natural is more difficult than your typical map. As players continue to expand on the map they make themselves increasing vulnerable to attack. We think that this will mean the map will feature constant action from the early game through to the late game. Semmo earns $500 for second place.



FIRST PLACE
Terraform | -NegativeZero-

The clear winner of this contest was Terraform. It placed first in the public vote and second in the progamer vote. I could go on to talk about this map in detail, but we were able to get an interview with -NegativeZero- after we tallied up the votes. -NegativeZero- secures first place and $1000.



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RankPublicPro
1.TerraformEcosphere
2.BridgeheadTerraform
3.Noah's ArkBridgehead
4.EcosphereDash and Terminal
5.Dash and TerminalMoonlight Madness
5=Mutiny
5=Noah's Ark
6.Moonlight Madness
7.Mutiny


Interview


Hi -Negative-Zero-! Congratulations on Terraform winning TLMC6. For those who are not familiar with you, could you tell us a bit about yourself?

I started making maps for Brood War around 4 years ago - BW was popular at my high school, and a group of friends played LAN games in the library almost every day. I started off making really stupid maps for us to play as a joke, stuff like a map where there was 1 cluster of mineral nodes in the middle and 8 players all spawned in a circle around it (you might actually recognize the SC2 version I made).

Eventually I found broodwarmaps.net and started making 1v1 maps, while at the same time I started playing SC2. This led to a lot of my BW maps being ports of SC2 maps, but eventually I focused on refining one particular 1v1 map called Overwatch which was used in a couple amateur BW tournaments and is actually still in the ICCup map pool right now.




Overwatch

However by then I played almost exclusively SC2 and was (and had always been) a complete and utter scrub at BW so naturally my mapmaking interest also slowly shifted to SC2 - at first I held out because of some BW-master-race idiocy and the fact that using the SC2 editor looked insanely hard, but I gradually adjusted. My first SC2 map was made in 2012, it was reasonably bad but I think I had at least some sort of idea of what I was doing.

I made maps pretty infrequently for the next couple years, most notably that joke map Chaotic Arena, and Synapse which somehow managed to make the TLMC 3 finalists and annoyed a few people in the process.




Synapse

It was almost a year until my next map, Coriolis, which was a pretty idiotic idea of a low econ 4p map for TLMC 4 but people actually seemed to like this one. At this point I started mapping a little more frequently, you can see all the maps linked in my TL profile. My favorite map of mine is probably Apotheosis, it's actually a heavy revision of my BW map Overwatch. And 2 TLMCs later, here I am, I guess.




Apotheosis

Can you give us some insight as to how Terraform came about?




Amazon (left) and Apollo's Corridor (right)

Admittedly a lot of my map ideas aren't 100% original - Terraform in particular was inspired directly by 2 maps: Amazon by EastWindy and the BW map Apollo's Corridor by sTY_leZerG-eX. I vaguely remembered the spiral design from Amazon and wanted to make a map with a similar design just because it looked good, but at the same time I figured I could use the idea of one long winding path to make the layout interesting by adding only narrow, easy to exploit chokes between concentric elements of the spiral, making players be very careful about army movement. This was the original version:




Original version of Terraform

I liked the overall idea but not the specific base layout because it seemed to force players to expand toward each other so I decided to revise the base layout. At the same time I came across Apollo's Corridor on broodwarmaps.net and liked the idea of the mineral wall bases and the high ground ridges so I incorporated both at the same time. Also, the very narrow and spread out chokes were toned down a little for the sake of balance. Several revisions later, and I got what you see in the final version.



Speaking of mineral walls, four of the bases on the map double as a mineral wall. How do you think this feature will play out?

Intuitively the answer is "probably pretty badly for Zergs" but I'm a scrub so I'm not going to try to judge balance, especially since map balance has a history of sometimes being notoriously hard to predict (see: Crossfire). In terms of concept, though, both of them serve as alternative 3rd bases that you'd only see in specific situations due to their vulnerability to harassment. Only Terrans doing some sort of 3 base push would really take the forward 3rd, even though it's the closest, and the gold base is gold so who knows what crazy stuff will happen there, although it also serves as a somewhat standard option for the 4th base if the normal 3rd gets taken. Also, on the off chance that those bases get mined out, then suddenly the map is a lot more open and army maneuvering becomes a lot easier.

The other notable feature of the map is the spiral layout of the map. How do you expect players to utilize this layout?

It will give players something nice to stare at on the minimap, making them forget to split their marines or inject their next round of larvae, giving the win to the less easily distracted player.

Honestly it's not as big of a deal as it seems, it splits the map into 3 main pathways but the same effect could probably have been achieved with some ugly blobs of terrain in the right places. The more important parts are the chokes and bases that are positioned along the spiral.

What about those chokes?

Basically what I mentioned in the question about mineral walls, they just make players think a little more about where they move their army - also since they kind of restrict pathing you have to commit more firmly to an attack.

Internally, Terraform was referred to "The Spiral Map" or "TSM". Can we just call it that from now on?

Yes, if only because I want people googling League of Legends stuff to stumble across my map instead.

Anything else you'd like to say?

Let's see:
- Noah's Ark should have won
- Future LotV mapmakers, please use narrow chokes more often, now that Zerg has units that can take advantage of them - they make for interesting positional play. Superouman had the right idea back in 2011.
- IeZaeL's Emerald Plaza has been robbed of a deserving 1st place finish about 5 times by now
- Timetwister and NewSunshine have been robbed of pretty much any finishes ever
- Freakling, you are awesome
- Double harvesting econ mod is a good idea, blizz pls.
- Tanks need a buff, blizz pls.
- Thanks for the votes!

Congratulations once again!

Thanks!


See you next season!


Congratulations to all the finalists for their stellar work and to -NegativeZero-, Semmo and Enekh for walking away with the cash prizes. I'd like to take a moment to say thank you to The_Templar and Teoita who spent countless hours mulling over every little detail of this contest. Without their hard work this contest would not have happened. It's easy to take your contributions for granted, so I'm hugely appreciative of your time and effort. Additional thanks go to Psione and TL Strategy for helping make this contest happen. And of course, Blizzard for the incredible $1750 prize pool. We hope to see you all again next season!



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RankPublicPro
1.TerraformEcosphere
2.BridgeheadTerraform
3.Noah's ArkBridgehead
4.EcosphereDash and Terminal
5.Dash and TerminalMoonlight Madness
5=Mutiny
5=Noah's Ark
6.Moonlight Madness
7.Mutiny

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MoosyDoosy
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United States4519 Posts
May 19 2015 00:09 GMT
#2
Voted for Ecosphere. Glad that pros agree with me. ^.^
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France2195 Posts
May 19 2015 00:09 GMT
#3
I came for the moneyz, i stay for the map cave. I'm glad i came back
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Last Edited: 2015-05-19 00:14:43
May 19 2015 00:12 GMT
#4
--- Nuked ---
SetGuitarsToKill
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Canada28396 Posts
May 19 2015 00:12 GMT
#5
"I think whoever made this map was high when they did it" - Huk, on Terraform

Congrats though, though I kind of wanted Bridgehead to win
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Uruguay1381 Posts
May 19 2015 00:13 GMT
#6
ALL DA MONEYZ! Congrats folks!
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United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 00:16:26
May 19 2015 00:16 GMT
#7
Exactly as expected. People seemed to love Terraform, though personally I voted Bridgehead.
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your Country52797 Posts
May 19 2015 00:20 GMT
#8
Well done to all the mapmakers. I wish Mutiny had done better though
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Canada28396 Posts
May 19 2015 00:48 GMT
#9
So is there anywhere we can see what pros voted?
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United States74 Posts
May 19 2015 00:48 GMT
#10
I agree NeO Emerald is a stellar stellar map.. blizzard please.
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France24209 Posts
May 19 2015 01:02 GMT
#11
I'm glad Terraform won. At least the map has no backdoors.
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Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 01:07:31
May 19 2015 01:06 GMT
#12
Fairly expected results. I'm surprised that Ecosphere placed third; I'd expected to see it lower though I'm not sure what map I expected in third come to think of it. And does the triple fifth place on the pro vote mean no one voted for those maps?
SetGuitarsToKill
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Canada28396 Posts
May 19 2015 01:45 GMT
#13
It's gonna be very interesting to see which maps Blizzard chooses to put on ladder. My money's on Terraform, Ecosphere and Mutiny
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Korea (South)627 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 01:48:53
May 19 2015 01:47 GMT
#14
What the fuck, why did Pros hate Noah's Ark. That doesn't make sense.

Congrats to negative zero!!!

Also, you can't just outright say, "back doors = bad map", we don't even have enough data on backdoors. Just because some maps did it badly doesn't mean the feature is bad. See: Bifrost, King Sejong
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 19 2015 01:51 GMT
#15
On May 19 2015 10:47 Semmo wrote:
What the fuck, why did Pros hate Noah's Ark. That doesn't make sense.

Congrats to negative zero!!!

Also, you can't just outright say, "back doors = bad map", we don't even have enough data on backdoors. Just because some maps did it badly doesn't mean the feature is bad. See: Bifrost, King Sejong


i don't get it either, imo Noah's Ark and Terraform were the only playable maps in this contest, and as Terraform was more innovative, it's good that it won.
thats what i said in the original thread a week ago as well.
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Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
May 19 2015 02:06 GMT
#16
Congrats to NegativeZero and everyone else! I'm surprised Noah's Ark ended up in the honorable mentions though.
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NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 02:23:56
May 19 2015 02:12 GMT
#17
I think everyone expected places #1 and #2 to be how they are, but ecosphere being #3 is just too funny. The map of 50 destructiple rocks. Guess pros like them rocks. Nah its just that if you ignore all the specific map features, then ecosphere is actully the most standard map.

Also lol at "TSM"
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 19 2015 02:21 GMT
#18
good work
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United States2474 Posts
May 19 2015 02:38 GMT
#19
Congrats Negative, I've told you multiple times I think you are my favorite (aka the best) mapper. (Uvantak jelly)

I did hope Terraform won, but it is probably the most standard of the finalists, so it's no doubt the public & pros preferred it. I gotta say I'm a bit surprised with Ecosphere being in the top 3 but a cross only, 18 base, easy expansion pattern, 4p map, of course pros will love the shit out of it. =P

Again, congrats top 3! woot woot!
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lestye
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United States4178 Posts
May 19 2015 02:40 GMT
#20
Thanks TL and Blizzard for these competition.s They're really awesome. Noah's Ark was robbed though. :-P
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Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
May 19 2015 03:39 GMT
#21
Damn, Dash and Terminal is probably the only one I'll still be playing a few months from now even if it's not added to ladder. That is, if the lighting is toned down a little bit.
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United States10675 Posts
May 19 2015 03:44 GMT
#22
Surprized by the winners, but excited none the less, congrats!
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1986 Posts
May 19 2015 03:45 GMT
#23
funny that terraform and winding pier fame were both inspired by the same somewhat obscure crux map
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United States2824 Posts
May 19 2015 03:54 GMT
#24
Congrats NegativeZero, really excited to see some games on Terraform.

What'd the pros dislike about Noah's Ark?
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your Country52797 Posts
May 19 2015 03:55 GMT
#25
On May 19 2015 12:45 Fatam wrote:
funny that terraform and winding pier fame were both inspired by the same somewhat obscure crux map

Which seems to have been inspired by an even more obscure IeZaeL map. I guess we know who the real winner is.
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Italy991 Posts
May 19 2015 04:13 GMT
#26
Called it
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South Africa387 Posts
May 19 2015 04:49 GMT
#27
Gratz Negative! Terraform's a worthy winner for sure, I'm looking forward to seeing it in play. I'm also happy to see Bridgehead come in #2 -- I was hoping for it to clinch first prize. And thanks to the organizers -- this was a lot of fun.

On May 19 2015 12:39 Pontius Pirate wrote:
Damn, Dash and Terminal is probably the only one I'll still be playing a few months from now even if it's not added to ladder. That is, if the lighting is toned down a little bit.


Unfortunately the TLMC tagged one is still outdated, but you can play v1.4 that I uploaded on all servers -- that one fixes the ultra-bright lighting to kinda bright.
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May 19 2015 05:17 GMT
#28
On May 19 2015 12:54 TheFish7 wrote:

What'd the pros dislike about Noah's Ark?

99% sure that they feared the middle path ecourages too strong early game aggression, especially since the thirds are kinda far.
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Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
May 19 2015 05:47 GMT
#29
Bridgehead was better in my opinion, but both are very well done
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Profile Blog Joined April 2015
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May 19 2015 07:32 GMT
#30
On May 19 2015 11:38 SidianTheBard wrote:
Congrats Negative, I've told you multiple times I think you are my favorite (aka the best) mapper. (Uvantak jelly)

I did hope Terraform won, but it is probably the most standard of the finalists, so it's no doubt the public & pros preferred it. I gotta say I'm a bit surprised with Ecosphere being in the top 3 but a cross only, 18 base, easy expansion pattern, 4p map, of course pros will love the shit out of it. =P

Again, congrats top 3! woot woot!


i love big maps too! and lotv is so fast paced economically wise!! we should have big maps like BW days
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Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
May 19 2015 07:58 GMT
#31
Well it makes sense I suppose.

I hope I'll be as much happilly surprised by Terraform as I've been disappointed by Echo

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My grumpy morning moment :

/rant on

Imho, by trying to a) be "not standard", b) influence balance or c) create a new meta, most mapmakers are forgetting what should be their first goal : make fun and strategically interesting maps. As a result, most of these maps are very rigid and all look the same ("wow uvantak won with slopes everywhere? lemme put slopes everywhere" / "wow algue got in SPL, GSL and SSL with a back door? lemme put backdoors everywhere" / "rocks? they want rocks? where is this random rocks generator button???") and ironically enough it's not even sure they are balanced in the end.

Terraform is a good example, it once had a gold base that could have been taken as a third or as a gangnam terran style we could have had a whacky unusual map, but under pressure of other map makers this gold base was moved to the most boring spot possible and will probably never be a key feature of this map.

Luckily enough, Terraform has some space for fun, esp is you like the sound of zerglings being toasted by colossi or tanks, but the other ones, omg! it's down the point you would wonder if some are actually playing the game at all. Noah's Ark? gimme a break, nobody in their right mind would enjoy playing on this

The ultimate fail is that by trying to be "non standard", they make all their maps end up look the same, by trying to influence balance, they force players to play the same way over and over and kill all possibility of balance shifting, by trying to change the meta, they make unplayable maps.

I hope that if there is ever a TLMC 7, fun will be the main goal again, there must be some mapmakers somewhere that still like to play this game...

Until then I will just be there, dreaming of King Sejong's Station's come back in the ladder

/rant off

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Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13978 Posts
May 19 2015 09:30 GMT
#32
Bridgehead only 2nd shitlist
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Sweden285 Posts
May 19 2015 09:42 GMT
#33
Wow congrats! Most maps were fine tho
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Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 19 2015 10:27 GMT
#34
Echosphere got robbed by backdoor haters.

Finally a win for NegativeZero though
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Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
May 19 2015 11:07 GMT
#35
On May 19 2015 19:27 Ej_ wrote:
Echosphere got robbed by backdoor haters.

Finally a win for NegativeZero though


Backdoor never worked well in pratice, as soon as i saw the backdoor I stopped looking at the map.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
May 19 2015 11:55 GMT
#36
Congratulations!
On May 19 2015 09:08 Plexa wrote:
We hope to see you all again next season!
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Does that "date" 7?
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Malaysia24 Posts
May 19 2015 11:59 GMT
#37
Really like the map picks :D
It makes sense if you don't think about it.
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Norway1746 Posts
May 19 2015 12:05 GMT
#38
remove the backrocks from echosphere and i think its the best map out of all of them
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NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
May 19 2015 12:22 GMT
#39
On May 19 2015 21:05 GreenMash wrote:
remove the backrocks from echosphere and i think its the best map out of all of them

I was about to write how that wouldnt work, but instead took an another look of the map and omg you are actually right. It would just make perfect sense.
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Profile Joined April 2015
Russian Federation421 Posts
May 19 2015 12:42 GMT
#40
I hope that means that next season we'll have something along the lines:
- Inferno pools
- Expedition lost
- Coda/Echo
+ Ganymede
+ Terraform
+ Ecosphere

And Noah's Ark got robbed.
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Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
May 19 2015 12:50 GMT
#41
Ecosphere is a bad map , both layout and aesthetics. If it makes ladder im going to be super angry.
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Biedrik
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
United States94 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 12:59:45
May 19 2015 12:59 GMT
#42
On May 19 2015 21:42 Ingvar wrote:
I hope that means that next season we'll have something along the lines:
- Inferno pools

Whoa, we found the one fan of this map. =O
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
May 19 2015 13:03 GMT
#43
On May 19 2015 21:50 IeZaeL wrote:
Ecosphere is a bad map , both layout and aesthetics. If it makes ladder im going to be super angry.

And Blizzard sure doesn't want to make Iezael super angry !
rly ?
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
May 19 2015 13:19 GMT
#44
On May 19 2015 21:59 Biedrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 21:42 Ingvar wrote:
I hope that means that next season we'll have something along the lines:
- Inferno pools

Whoa, we found the one fan of this map. =O

That - sign means he wants to REMOVE Inferno pools.
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Meerel
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany713 Posts
May 19 2015 13:53 GMT
#45
gratz and lets hope that bridgehead gets into ladder
SDMF
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
May 19 2015 14:07 GMT
#46
--- Nuked ---
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 19 2015 14:08 GMT
#47
Grats to the winners!
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 19 2015 14:44 GMT
#48
Grats to the winner, deserved
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Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
May 19 2015 16:59 GMT
#49
On May 19 2015 16:58 Gwavajuice wrote:
Well it makes sense I suppose.

I hope I'll be as much happilly surprised by Terraform as I've been disappointed by Echo

+ Show Spoiler +
My grumpy morning moment :

/rant on

Imho, by trying to a) be "not standard", b) influence balance or c) create a new meta, most mapmakers are forgetting what should be their first goal : make fun and strategically interesting maps. As a result, most of these maps are very rigid and all look the same ("wow uvantak won with slopes everywhere? lemme put slopes everywhere" / "wow algue got in SPL, GSL and SSL with a back door? lemme put backdoors everywhere" / "rocks? they want rocks? where is this random rocks generator button???") and ironically enough it's not even sure they are balanced in the end.

Terraform is a good example, it once had a gold base that could have been taken as a third or as a gangnam terran style we could have had a whacky unusual map, but under pressure of other map makers this gold base was moved to the most boring spot possible and will probably never be a key feature of this map.

Luckily enough, Terraform has some space for fun, esp is you like the sound of zerglings being toasted by colossi or tanks, but the other ones, omg! it's down the point you would wonder if some are actually playing the game at all. Noah's Ark? gimme a break, nobody in their right mind would enjoy playing on this

The ultimate fail is that by trying to be "non standard", they make all their maps end up look the same, by trying to influence balance, they force players to play the same way over and over and kill all possibility of balance shifting, by trying to change the meta, they make unplayable maps.

I hope that if there is ever a TLMC 7, fun will be the main goal again, there must be some mapmakers somewhere that still like to play this game...

Until then I will just be there, dreaming of King Sejong's Station's come back in the ladder

/rant off


dissapointed by echo??? Why? What did I do now?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 19 2015 17:13 GMT
#50
On May 20 2015 01:59 Uvantak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 16:58 Gwavajuice wrote:
Well it makes sense I suppose.

I hope I'll be as much happilly surprised by Terraform as I've been disappointed by Echo

+ Show Spoiler +
My grumpy morning moment :

/rant on

Imho, by trying to a) be "not standard", b) influence balance or c) create a new meta, most mapmakers are forgetting what should be their first goal : make fun and strategically interesting maps. As a result, most of these maps are very rigid and all look the same ("wow uvantak won with slopes everywhere? lemme put slopes everywhere" / "wow algue got in SPL, GSL and SSL with a back door? lemme put backdoors everywhere" / "rocks? they want rocks? where is this random rocks generator button???") and ironically enough it's not even sure they are balanced in the end.

Terraform is a good example, it once had a gold base that could have been taken as a third or as a gangnam terran style we could have had a whacky unusual map, but under pressure of other map makers this gold base was moved to the most boring spot possible and will probably never be a key feature of this map.

Luckily enough, Terraform has some space for fun, esp is you like the sound of zerglings being toasted by colossi or tanks, but the other ones, omg! it's down the point you would wonder if some are actually playing the game at all. Noah's Ark? gimme a break, nobody in their right mind would enjoy playing on this

The ultimate fail is that by trying to be "non standard", they make all their maps end up look the same, by trying to influence balance, they force players to play the same way over and over and kill all possibility of balance shifting, by trying to change the meta, they make unplayable maps.

I hope that if there is ever a TLMC 7, fun will be the main goal again, there must be some mapmakers somewhere that still like to play this game...

Until then I will just be there, dreaming of King Sejong's Station's come back in the ladder

/rant off


dissapointed by echo??? Why? What did I do now?

Not enough shoutouts to me, need at least 3 more
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
May 19 2015 17:22 GMT
#51
On May 20 2015 01:59 Uvantak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 16:58 Gwavajuice wrote:
Well it makes sense I suppose.

I hope I'll be as much happilly surprised by Terraform as I've been disappointed by Echo

+ Show Spoiler +
My grumpy morning moment :

/rant on

Imho, by trying to a) be "not standard", b) influence balance or c) create a new meta, most mapmakers are forgetting what should be their first goal : make fun and strategically interesting maps. As a result, most of these maps are very rigid and all look the same ("wow uvantak won with slopes everywhere? lemme put slopes everywhere" / "wow algue got in SPL, GSL and SSL with a back door? lemme put backdoors everywhere" / "rocks? they want rocks? where is this random rocks generator button???") and ironically enough it's not even sure they are balanced in the end.

Terraform is a good example, it once had a gold base that could have been taken as a third or as a gangnam terran style we could have had a whacky unusual map, but under pressure of other map makers this gold base was moved to the most boring spot possible and will probably never be a key feature of this map.

Luckily enough, Terraform has some space for fun, esp is you like the sound of zerglings being toasted by colossi or tanks, but the other ones, omg! it's down the point you would wonder if some are actually playing the game at all. Noah's Ark? gimme a break, nobody in their right mind would enjoy playing on this

The ultimate fail is that by trying to be "non standard", they make all their maps end up look the same, by trying to influence balance, they force players to play the same way over and over and kill all possibility of balance shifting, by trying to change the meta, they make unplayable maps.

I hope that if there is ever a TLMC 7, fun will be the main goal again, there must be some mapmakers somewhere that still like to play this game...

Until then I will just be there, dreaming of King Sejong's Station's come back in the ladder

/rant off


dissapointed by echo??? Why? What did I do now?

It has to be multiple maps at the same time or it will disappoint someone.
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Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
May 19 2015 17:43 GMT
#52
I'm wicked excited! I agree with the top three maps here more than I did with the results for the last two TLMCs. Two of my three favored maps were in the top three (Bridgehead and Terraform (no Noah's Ark )). I really hope Blizzard continues to support the mapmaking scene.

Congrats to NegativeZero, Semmo, and Enekh!
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
May 19 2015 17:54 GMT
#53
On May 20 2015 01:59 Uvantak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 16:58 Gwavajuice wrote:
Well it makes sense I suppose.

I hope I'll be as much happilly surprised by Terraform as I've been disappointed by Echo

+ Show Spoiler +
My grumpy morning moment :

/rant on

Imho, by trying to a) be "not standard", b) influence balance or c) create a new meta, most mapmakers are forgetting what should be their first goal : make fun and strategically interesting maps. As a result, most of these maps are very rigid and all look the same ("wow uvantak won with slopes everywhere? lemme put slopes everywhere" / "wow algue got in SPL, GSL and SSL with a back door? lemme put backdoors everywhere" / "rocks? they want rocks? where is this random rocks generator button???") and ironically enough it's not even sure they are balanced in the end.

Terraform is a good example, it once had a gold base that could have been taken as a third or as a gangnam terran style we could have had a whacky unusual map, but under pressure of other map makers this gold base was moved to the most boring spot possible and will probably never be a key feature of this map.

Luckily enough, Terraform has some space for fun, esp is you like the sound of zerglings being toasted by colossi or tanks, but the other ones, omg! it's down the point you would wonder if some are actually playing the game at all. Noah's Ark? gimme a break, nobody in their right mind would enjoy playing on this

The ultimate fail is that by trying to be "non standard", they make all their maps end up look the same, by trying to influence balance, they force players to play the same way over and over and kill all possibility of balance shifting, by trying to change the meta, they make unplayable maps.

I hope that if there is ever a TLMC 7, fun will be the main goal again, there must be some mapmakers somewhere that still like to play this game...

Until then I will just be there, dreaming of King Sejong's Station's come back in the ladder

/rant off


dissapointed by echo??? Why? What did I do now?


Good stuff : laughing at how you managed to cover all the map with blueish anal sex toys and trolled everybody with it
Bad stuff : playing on this map.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
May 19 2015 18:15 GMT
#54
On May 20 2015 02:54 Gwavajuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 01:59 Uvantak wrote:
On May 19 2015 16:58 Gwavajuice wrote:
Well it makes sense I suppose.

I hope I'll be as much happilly surprised by Terraform as I've been disappointed by Echo

+ Show Spoiler +
My grumpy morning moment :

/rant on

Imho, by trying to a) be "not standard", b) influence balance or c) create a new meta, most mapmakers are forgetting what should be their first goal : make fun and strategically interesting maps. As a result, most of these maps are very rigid and all look the same ("wow uvantak won with slopes everywhere? lemme put slopes everywhere" / "wow algue got in SPL, GSL and SSL with a back door? lemme put backdoors everywhere" / "rocks? they want rocks? where is this random rocks generator button???") and ironically enough it's not even sure they are balanced in the end.

Terraform is a good example, it once had a gold base that could have been taken as a third or as a gangnam terran style we could have had a whacky unusual map, but under pressure of other map makers this gold base was moved to the most boring spot possible and will probably never be a key feature of this map.

Luckily enough, Terraform has some space for fun, esp is you like the sound of zerglings being toasted by colossi or tanks, but the other ones, omg! it's down the point you would wonder if some are actually playing the game at all. Noah's Ark? gimme a break, nobody in their right mind would enjoy playing on this

The ultimate fail is that by trying to be "non standard", they make all their maps end up look the same, by trying to influence balance, they force players to play the same way over and over and kill all possibility of balance shifting, by trying to change the meta, they make unplayable maps.

I hope that if there is ever a TLMC 7, fun will be the main goal again, there must be some mapmakers somewhere that still like to play this game...

Until then I will just be there, dreaming of King Sejong's Station's come back in the ladder

/rant off


dissapointed by echo??? Why? What did I do now?


Good stuff : laughing at how you managed to cover all the map with blueish anal sex toys and trolled everybody with it
Bad stuff : playing on this map.

Ohhh sorry, I thought you had legit legit feedback, carry on then.
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robopork
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States511 Posts
May 19 2015 20:36 GMT
#55
Terraform wasn't my absolute favorite but I'm really excited for mineral walls :D
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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2141 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-20 06:54:03
May 20 2015 06:53 GMT
#56
congrats to the other winners, and apologies to everyone who hates my map
vibeo gane,
Rukis
Profile Joined April 2009
United States252 Posts
May 20 2015 07:16 GMT
#57
Specifically I think Terraform deserves the win but I would rather have Bridgehead and Ecosphere seen on ladder. Compared to these to Terraform just seems like a regular map you would find on the ladder imo with base layout etc.
Flash was the Genius, Nada was the true god.
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
May 20 2015 09:32 GMT
#58
On May 20 2015 03:15 Uvantak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 02:54 Gwavajuice wrote:
On May 20 2015 01:59 Uvantak wrote:
On May 19 2015 16:58 Gwavajuice wrote:
Well it makes sense I suppose.

I hope I'll be as much happilly surprised by Terraform as I've been disappointed by Echo

+ Show Spoiler +
My grumpy morning moment :

/rant on

Imho, by trying to a) be "not standard", b) influence balance or c) create a new meta, most mapmakers are forgetting what should be their first goal : make fun and strategically interesting maps. As a result, most of these maps are very rigid and all look the same ("wow uvantak won with slopes everywhere? lemme put slopes everywhere" / "wow algue got in SPL, GSL and SSL with a back door? lemme put backdoors everywhere" / "rocks? they want rocks? where is this random rocks generator button???") and ironically enough it's not even sure they are balanced in the end.

Terraform is a good example, it once had a gold base that could have been taken as a third or as a gangnam terran style we could have had a whacky unusual map, but under pressure of other map makers this gold base was moved to the most boring spot possible and will probably never be a key feature of this map.

Luckily enough, Terraform has some space for fun, esp is you like the sound of zerglings being toasted by colossi or tanks, but the other ones, omg! it's down the point you would wonder if some are actually playing the game at all. Noah's Ark? gimme a break, nobody in their right mind would enjoy playing on this

The ultimate fail is that by trying to be "non standard", they make all their maps end up look the same, by trying to influence balance, they force players to play the same way over and over and kill all possibility of balance shifting, by trying to change the meta, they make unplayable maps.

I hope that if there is ever a TLMC 7, fun will be the main goal again, there must be some mapmakers somewhere that still like to play this game...

Until then I will just be there, dreaming of King Sejong's Station's come back in the ladder

/rant off


dissapointed by echo??? Why? What did I do now?


Good stuff : laughing at how you managed to cover all the map with blueish anal sex toys and trolled everybody with it
Bad stuff : playing on this map.

Ohhh sorry, I thought you had legit legit feedback, carry on then.



didn't want to derail the thread sorry, we're supposed to talk about TLMC6 not 5.
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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
May 20 2015 10:17 GMT
#59
GG! Hope to see a lot of these maps in active play!
Kyselin
Profile Joined December 2011
France35 Posts
May 21 2015 11:39 GMT
#60
Oh god, how do you put add-ons on your buildings on Bridgehead ? The main is too narrow !
eTcetRa
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia822 Posts
May 21 2015 11:53 GMT
#61
Good work -0 glad you won, well deserved!
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
May 21 2015 15:55 GMT
#62
Finally it is official: Negative is the best mapper alive.

Now make a BW version of Terraform, pretty pretty please! You can edit mineral values all you want in BW, so it can only get even better ;D

Also, you can stop constantly bashing your own maps now :D

Finally I spammed enough posts to earn my Zergling avatar. So from now on I need to restrain myself so I can hold on to it forever.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5489 Posts
May 22 2015 16:17 GMT
#63
Really like Overwatch on ICCUP from NegativeZero one of the best foreign made BW maps!

GJ on winning the contest!
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Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
May 28 2015 15:28 GMT
#64
Awesome maps, and awesome competition. I hope the top 3 makes it into the ladder pool.
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