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On April 30 2015 06:36 Milna wrote: IMO if you do this list a year from now, Mvp will still be top and life will be maybe top 5 at best.
Trolling? Mvp shows no signs of making new waves (afaik)
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imo by the taeja > mc logic life should be above mvp, due to having harder opponents.
but in a vacuum i totally agree that mvp's career > life's
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On April 30 2015 08:54 sharkie wrote: "But Squirtle, in one of the greatest moments of SC2’s entire history, vortexed the army and won the game. "
Hmm, I don't really see how an uncontrollable spell can be one of the greatest moments of SC2? Insane writeup nonetheless! good job Stuchiu! it seemed like Mvp had created the ultimate composition, Squirtle seemed to have no hope, especially with a good chunk of protoss on the island, then out of nowhere he snuck his mothership in a way that would let it work without getting EMP'd or Yamato'd to death...and then came the void rays and storms
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United States7483 Posts
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I choose the player who fought and defeated one of the greatest mechanical players of all time down to 11 SCVs against 30.
It was 9 SCVs
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I am glad that Mvp is ranked #1.
I would be even more glad if in one year from now, Life deserves the #1 spot.
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On April 30 2015 09:33 rotta wrote: So, what exactly does Life still need to be #1?
A couple convincing premier wins against strong adversity and with matches that will stick in memory.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On April 30 2015 08:49 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +After that is Mvp’s 1st in GSL Season 2 Code S 2012. There he beat a Top 5 P, Top 10 T, Top 3 Z, Top 5 P, Top 2 P, and the best protoss. In comparison to that I equated this to Life’s Blizzcon and IEM NY runs. At Blizzcon he beat a Top 1 P (though jet lagged), Top 10 P, Top 2 T and a Top 5 T. The format again was better for Mvp and so was the player list. Yes there was prestige for Life, but the era in which Mvp was playing was worse for terran against protoss than it was for zerg during Blizzcon. In that era which according to you was so bad for Terran, there were 3 T in the top 8 of GSL. How many Zergs were at the top 8 of Life's Blizzcon? That's right, only 1. In fact, Zerg was not just the least represented race at that Blizzcon, it had been the least successful race in all WCS events in HotS up until that point.
soO's 4 silvers tilts that quite a bit
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On April 30 2015 09:02 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 08:58 North2 wrote:On April 30 2015 08:54 sharkie wrote: "But Squirtle, in one of the greatest moments of SC2’s entire history, vortexed the army and won the game. "
Hmm, I don't really see how an uncontrollable spell can be one of the greatest moments of SC2? Insane writeup nonetheless! good job Stuchiu! A) Watch Video B) What do you mean uncontrollable? C) This is literally the greatest memory I have of SC2 Uncontrollable as in players fighting against vortex can't really avoid it. MVP had heaps of scans, EMPs and yamatos vs the notoriously speedy mothership. He also could have split his army better. He had every opportunity to avoid it.
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I'll accept this, since the amount of gushing about MVP made it quite clear what race the author prefers. Note how he bent over backwards to make excuses for why MVP ONLY cheesed Squirtle in game 7. MVP should be denied rank #1 for PRECISELY this game. the whole 11/11 meta is a big reason for there being something wrong with the game all this time yet people just "accept" that terrans ought to be allowed to play strategies and win like this, and even if it doesn't work they can usually recover anyway. The fact that any terran, including and especially MVP could get that far and win a GSL by cheesing so much demonstrated the broken early game in favour of terran (that HOTS made even worse) Note also how the author blames MVP's loss to Life in the GSL finals on the Broodlord infestor meta: according to him, when terran wins, it's the godlike skill of the player. when zerg wins, it's the imba race. Next time, get someone to do this who doesn't have that obvious bias. If you want to blame Life's win over MVP on broodlord infestor, then blame MVP's win over Squirtle on the broken 11/11. I watched that series, and it was a great series until game 7 completely ruined it. Can't blame MVP though, he wants to win and he knows terrans can cheese to win and does it. that this kind of play gets glorified as exciting when all it is is taking advantage of a poor early game balance level to steal easy wins is just embarrassing to the game. I suppose if there is one thing that is positive about LoTV is that hopefully this stuff won't continue. Which race can buy cloaked-early game production-auto-attack-air attack-splash damage-non-suicide-counters zerg detection-widow mines for a measly 25 gas...the only unit in the game of any race that comes close to that level of silliness is .. cyclones.... zerg use swarmhosts in order to not die to terran turtle max mech and in order to not die to protoss turtle max colossus air. the swarm host nerf is as ridiculous a move by blizzard as terrans would think removing air attack from widow mines and making them attack only once every 2 minutes would be, or making forcefields cost 100 energy instead of 50. but hey, what do I know, I only watch reaper widow mine hellbat constantly decimating the TvZ meta all over the GSL and the F button making even armies of P and Z turn into a cakewalk for protoss hardly losing any units while all the zerg units die. what do I know.... just what I actually see happen.
User was temp banned for this post. Not this post alone, but continuous balance whine
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On April 30 2015 09:33 rotta wrote: So, what exactly does Life still need to be #1?
He needs to be Terran for the writer
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On April 30 2015 09:14 [Phantom] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 09:01 brickrd wrote: as a post-mvp starcraft fan i don't care at all about mvp or any of his accomplishments, and life clearly plays in the more legitimate competitive era
life #1~~~ Thats like saying "as a post Michael Jordan Basketball fan i don't care at all about michael or any of his accomplishments, and life clearly plays in the more legitimate competitive era" Even if you didn't watch them play, you must recognize the influence, and the skill and achievemts they had. Not only that, but Life *doesn't* play in the more competitive environment. MVP did. Life is, IMO, more highly skilled. People get better at stuff, that's just how it is. But MVP dominated SC2 at its height and almost beat a Life nobody had figured out yet - despite being broken of body and the game being broken of balance.
MVP deserves the #1 spot, he's the GOAT. Life is for sure the best player in the world though.
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On April 30 2015 10:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 08:49 sitromit wrote:After that is Mvp’s 1st in GSL Season 2 Code S 2012. There he beat a Top 5 P, Top 10 T, Top 3 Z, Top 5 P, Top 2 P, and the best protoss. In comparison to that I equated this to Life’s Blizzcon and IEM NY runs. At Blizzcon he beat a Top 1 P (though jet lagged), Top 10 P, Top 2 T and a Top 5 T. The format again was better for Mvp and so was the player list. Yes there was prestige for Life, but the era in which Mvp was playing was worse for terran against protoss than it was for zerg during Blizzcon. In that era which according to you was so bad for Terran, there were 3 T in the top 8 of GSL. How many Zergs were at the top 8 of Life's Blizzcon? That's right, only 1. In fact, Zerg was not just the least represented race at that Blizzcon, it had been the least successful race in all WCS events in HotS up until that point. soO's 4 silvers tilts that quite a bit The fact that Stuchiu considers him the best Zerg in 2014 by far and he still couldn't win anything, losing multiple finals to different players should tell you something.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On April 30 2015 10:48 baabaa101 wrote: I'll accept this, since the amount of gushing about MVP made it quite clear what race the author prefers. Note how he bent over backwards to make excuses for why MVP ONLY cheesed Squirtle in game 7. MVP should be denied rank #1 for PRECISELY this game. the whole 11/11 meta is a big reason for there being something wrong with the game all this time yet people just "accept" that terrans ought to be allowed to play strategies and win like this, and even if it doesn't work they can usually recover anyway.
The 11/11 failed. Mvp won because he predicted Squirtle getting greedy and looking for the kill instead of just playing out his advantage
On April 30 2015 11:00 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 10:46 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 30 2015 08:49 sitromit wrote:After that is Mvp’s 1st in GSL Season 2 Code S 2012. There he beat a Top 5 P, Top 10 T, Top 3 Z, Top 5 P, Top 2 P, and the best protoss. In comparison to that I equated this to Life’s Blizzcon and IEM NY runs. At Blizzcon he beat a Top 1 P (though jet lagged), Top 10 P, Top 2 T and a Top 5 T. The format again was better for Mvp and so was the player list. Yes there was prestige for Life, but the era in which Mvp was playing was worse for terran against protoss than it was for zerg during Blizzcon. In that era which according to you was so bad for Terran, there were 3 T in the top 8 of GSL. How many Zergs were at the top 8 of Life's Blizzcon? That's right, only 1. In fact, Zerg was not just the least represented race at that Blizzcon, it had been the least successful race in all WCS events in HotS up until that point. soO's 4 silvers tilts that quite a bit The fact that Stuchiu considers him the best Zerg in 2014 by far and he still couldn't win anything, losing multiple finals to different players should tell you something.
One to Solar, notably. His race wasn't the problem
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All is right in the world.
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Great job on the Mvp article. You have sort of made up for the lack of PartinG in this list
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Amazingly written! Thank you for all the hard work you must have put into this, and pass that along to anyone who may have helped! TL writers rock!
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I don't think Life will ever be considered 1# over Mvp simply because of the time diference, even if they overlaped a bit, I would consider Mvp number 1# always just like in the BW era, altough the bonjwas played each other, each of them was still the greatest of their time.
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Rain has also beaten Life, not just INnoVation and Dream (didn't knock him out though)
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Yep, called it that mvp would be #1 over life, which is a tragedy. Oh well.
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