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Greatest Players of All Time: The Finale - Page 7

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Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
April 29 2015 23:03 GMT
#121
Just finished the read up on both MVP and Life. Amazing work Stuchiu, you truly understand the kind of player Mvp was, down to the very core. And you backed your arguments up with facts. Mvp should be proud to have a fan like you do him justice!
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
April 29 2015 23:04 GMT
#122
On April 30 2015 07:52 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 07:47 swag_bro wrote:
On April 30 2015 07:43 Musicus wrote:
On April 30 2015 07:42 TheDwf wrote:
On April 30 2015 07:20 swag_bro wrote:
This is very surprising that Life is #2. It is clear that Life has better achievements and is a much better player than Mvp was. He even defeated Mvp in the greatest GSL final of all time, playing from behind in every game. This article is a direct insult to Life calling him a bad player. Whatever though, Life and other smart people like me know that Life is/was better than Mvp so we don't need some random article to tell us so.

Hahahaha classic swag_bro


Not the troll we deserve, but the troll that we need!



Okay, it's not trolling if it's true. It is a known fact that Life is better than Mvp. Life in peak form is so much better than Mvp when he was in peak form. So what if he won if he was injured? Squirtle got cocky in that GSL and didn't he beat a foreigner in the WCS EU finals?


Well even is Life is better, he might not be the greatest of all time. LeBron James could beat Michael Jordan at his peak, because the game and players developed so much since then. But Michael Jordan is still the GOAT, period.

Regardless

Show nested quote +
This article is a direct insult to Life calling him a bad player. Whatever though, Life and other smart people like me know that Life is/was better than Mvp so we don't need some random article to tell us so.


this part has to be trolling a little bit at least . And how is this article an insult to Life and where does it call him a bad player?

Oh and I usually don't agree with Thorin, but this came at the perfect time haha.



This article directly implies that Life is a bad player because the writer made him #2, not #1.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
April 29 2015 23:09 GMT
#123
On April 30 2015 08:04 swag_bro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 07:52 Musicus wrote:
On April 30 2015 07:47 swag_bro wrote:
On April 30 2015 07:43 Musicus wrote:
On April 30 2015 07:42 TheDwf wrote:
On April 30 2015 07:20 swag_bro wrote:
This is very surprising that Life is #2. It is clear that Life has better achievements and is a much better player than Mvp was. He even defeated Mvp in the greatest GSL final of all time, playing from behind in every game. This article is a direct insult to Life calling him a bad player. Whatever though, Life and other smart people like me know that Life is/was better than Mvp so we don't need some random article to tell us so.

Hahahaha classic swag_bro


Not the troll we deserve, but the troll that we need!



Okay, it's not trolling if it's true. It is a known fact that Life is better than Mvp. Life in peak form is so much better than Mvp when he was in peak form. So what if he won if he was injured? Squirtle got cocky in that GSL and didn't he beat a foreigner in the WCS EU finals?


Well even is Life is better, he might not be the greatest of all time. LeBron James could beat Michael Jordan at his peak, because the game and players developed so much since then. But Michael Jordan is still the GOAT, period.

Regardless

This article is a direct insult to Life calling him a bad player. Whatever though, Life and other smart people like me know that Life is/was better than Mvp so we don't need some random article to tell us so.


this part has to be trolling a little bit at least . And how is this article an insult to Life and where does it call him a bad player?

Oh and I usually don't agree with Thorin, but this came at the perfect time haha.

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/593545146492420096


This article directly implies that Life is a bad player because the writer made him #2, not #1.


I was halfway through typing a real response before I realised it... fuck, your are good at this!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46248 Posts
April 29 2015 23:13 GMT
#124
Thank goodness Mvp is #1
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3527 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 23:19:23
April 29 2015 23:13 GMT
#125
I was hoping that this article would go into it more scientifically with all the achievement list comparing. But injury/age/macro based play, has distorted the list a bit too much for my liking.

Still a freaking good article though, not gonna lie
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
April 29 2015 23:19 GMT
#126
On April 30 2015 07:59 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 07:56 Yorkie wrote:
Prediction: by the end of 2015 Parting will be on the list and Life will be #1. For now though, great work Stuchiu!


Parting gets top 4 at Kespa cup he beats sOs/Leenock/DRG. Gets top 2 he beats MKP. That's how close it was.

HE WAS ROBBED

seriously tho, the exclusion seems to be a indicator than the criteria you used had some flaws, mainly not recognizing consistency enough and a somewhat arbritary ranking based on what players they beat. like i said i think this is the only weak spot of your otherwise great series
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LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom436 Posts
April 29 2015 23:24 GMT
#127
HAIL TO THE KING. What a read. Only fools would argue against it.
Mvp #1
King David
Profile Joined April 2014
South Africa28 Posts
April 29 2015 23:25 GMT
#128
Great propaganda. How much you got for putting up this bullshit?
Just saying your opinion is laughable. Great writing and research nonetheless.
"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.Give a man 5 beers an..."
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 29 2015 23:26 GMT
#129
stuchiu, you are such a great writer. Congratulations for this insane work.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
jtp118
Profile Joined November 2010
United States137 Posts
April 29 2015 23:26 GMT
#130
literally got chills reading the Mvp section ... couldn't agree more
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
April 29 2015 23:28 GMT
#131
To be honest I'd say they're even right now, but that means that the next championship Life wins will propel him to number one.

There is just so much rose tinted goggles effect looking back at Mvp's career, sure it was impressive, hell, top 2, but just so much stuff gets credited to him it's getting beyond ridicolous.
ivancype
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil485 Posts
April 29 2015 23:31 GMT
#132
MVP, I still expecting you to come back, pls.

I dont like Rain's play and I think it is overrated. HerO, herO or Jaedong (maybe Parting) would fit better in the top 15, even if not in the top 10, than Rain, imo.

The article is great, specially MVP's part.
The other race is OP
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
April 29 2015 23:31 GMT
#133
Life dominated two completly different games WoL at the end and Hots. His streaks where cut down by game modifications when Hots came Life was dominating so hard he could won 10 premiers. The same is happining now.
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
April 29 2015 23:36 GMT
#134
Jesus christ.

I didn't actually know Mvp was that good. I knew he was good, but Jesus Christ.

Incredible Miracle indeed.
Trans Rights
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
April 29 2015 23:41 GMT
#135
Meh... I had expected Life to be number one even though I know everyone fanboys so hard over Mvp just because he was the first great player in SC2. I still think Life has surpassed Mvp and lets not forget that Life is currently the best player in the world.

But since my 2nd favorite player is Mvp, I will allow it.
@Munck
Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 23:43:18
April 29 2015 23:42 GMT
#136
Well writ! I'm guessing PartinG would be 17th then?

I think your top 10 is spot on. Maybe Nestea could be higher, maybe not.
I root for CJ because their fb posts are hilarious
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 29 2015 23:46 GMT
#137
I think that the part for me which made Mvp the top was actually the fact that he was very much alone, and still impressive.
kiss kiss fall in love
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 23:49:41
April 29 2015 23:49 GMT
#138
After that is Mvp’s 1st in GSL Season 2 Code S 2012. There he beat a Top 5 P, Top 10 T, Top 3 Z, Top 5 P, Top 2 P, and the best protoss. In comparison to that I equated this to Life’s Blizzcon and IEM NY runs. At Blizzcon he beat a Top 1 P (though jet lagged), Top 10 P, Top 2 T and a Top 5 T. The format again was better for Mvp and so was the player list. Yes there was prestige for Life, but the era in which Mvp was playing was worse for terran against protoss than it was for zerg during Blizzcon.

In that era which according to you was so bad for Terran, there were 3 T in the top 8 of GSL. How many Zergs were at the top 8 of Life's Blizzcon? That's right, only 1. In fact, Zerg was not just the least represented race at that Blizzcon, it had been the least successful race in all WCS events in HotS up until that point.
CAG Husker
Profile Joined August 2014
United States117 Posts
April 29 2015 23:51 GMT
#139
I learned a lot today.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18721 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 23:54:30
April 29 2015 23:54 GMT
#140
"But Squirtle, in one of the greatest moments of SC2’s entire history, vortexed the army and won the game. "

Hmm, I don't really see how an uncontrollable spell can be one of the greatest moments of SC2?
Insane writeup nonetheless! good job Stuchiu!
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