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On April 10 2015 03:41 Xrero wrote:
I don't know why people get super-excited about anything Mvp. He has been totally irrelevant for a long time, and I don't think he'd be in the very top tier of Maru/Life even if he did come back (to me, Life's first GSL finals was enough proof that was a better player). He may be one of the smartest ever, but with how competitive Korea is now, he wouldn't necessarily be one of the best. Plus I remember hearing this guy has some serious wrist or back issues - a hardcore starcraft career is probably not even possible.
Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere.
It's not hard to understand, he's arguably the most accomplished SC2 player, and thus arguably the greatest. Life only won the GSL finals because MVP threw game 7, which is evidence of a fluke rather than a superior player.
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On April 10 2015 04:00 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 03:00 Doodsmack wrote:On April 10 2015 02:26 Mistakes wrote:On April 10 2015 02:03 excitedBear wrote:On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote:On April 09 2015 12:30 Fyodor wrote:
He made enough to be middle class for like ten years, what are you talking about. According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. lol, I can live comfortably for 20 years with 350k I'd be about 7 years comfortably. In any case, Mvp had to of been making some salary money too. Also he probably wasn't (or isn't) paying for much living in the team house. Any salary money IM made was probably a pittance. For the year LG sponsored them I'm sure their salaries were actually very good. Especially MVPs and Nesteas since the sponsorship started while they were still 2 of the best players in the world.
I wouldn't be so sure, there were even reports that LG hadn't paid or their payment was very delayed. eSF teams were basically piss poor. IM's coach stated several times he was paying out of his own pocket.
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On April 10 2015 04:04 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 03:41 Xrero wrote:
I don't know why people get super-excited about anything Mvp. He has been totally irrelevant for a long time, and I don't think he'd be in the very top tier of Maru/Life even if he did come back (to me, Life's first GSL finals was enough proof that was a better player). He may be one of the smartest ever, but with how competitive Korea is now, he wouldn't necessarily be one of the best. Plus I remember hearing this guy has some serious wrist or back issues - a hardcore starcraft career is probably not even possible.
Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere. It's not hard to understand, he's arguably the most accomplished SC2 player, and thus arguably the greatest. Life only won the GSL finals because MVP threw game 7, which is evidence of a fluke rather than a superior player.
Please no. A player does not "throw" a game like that. Being able to capitalize on your opponent's mistakes and to force him to do said mistakes is part of the game, and part of who's the "better player".
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Good news then? One would hope so.
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On April 10 2015 04:06 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 04:00 JJH777 wrote:On April 10 2015 03:00 Doodsmack wrote:On April 10 2015 02:26 Mistakes wrote:On April 10 2015 02:03 excitedBear wrote:On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote:On April 09 2015 12:30 Fyodor wrote:
He made enough to be middle class for like ten years, what are you talking about. According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. lol, I can live comfortably for 20 years with 350k I'd be about 7 years comfortably. In any case, Mvp had to of been making some salary money too. Also he probably wasn't (or isn't) paying for much living in the team house. Any salary money IM made was probably a pittance. For the year LG sponsored them I'm sure their salaries were actually very good. Especially MVPs and Nesteas since the sponsorship started while they were still 2 of the best players in the world. I wouldn't be so sure, there were even reports that LG hadn't paid or their payment was very delayed. eSF teams were basically piss poor. IM's coach stated several times he was paying out of his own pocket.
That was after the first year. For the first year LG sponsored them things were fine. It was the next 6 months that they stopped paying since they never officially said they were going to continue sponsoring them.
On April 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 04:04 Doodsmack wrote:On April 10 2015 03:41 Xrero wrote:
I don't know why people get super-excited about anything Mvp. He has been totally irrelevant for a long time, and I don't think he'd be in the very top tier of Maru/Life even if he did come back (to me, Life's first GSL finals was enough proof that was a better player). He may be one of the smartest ever, but with how competitive Korea is now, he wouldn't necessarily be one of the best. Plus I remember hearing this guy has some serious wrist or back issues - a hardcore starcraft career is probably not even possible.
Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere. It's not hard to understand, he's arguably the most accomplished SC2 player, and thus arguably the greatest. Life only won the GSL finals because MVP threw game 7, which is evidence of a fluke rather than a superior player. Please no. A player does not "throw" a game like that. Being able to capitalize on your opponent's mistakes and to force him to do said mistakes is part of the game, and part of who's the "better player".
A 4-3 in a bo7 hardly confirms one player as being definitely better. Plus a lot of those games were decided by extremely minor mistakes. MVP accomplished more in 2011 than Life has in 4 years.
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On April 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 04:04 Doodsmack wrote:On April 10 2015 03:41 Xrero wrote:
I don't know why people get super-excited about anything Mvp. He has been totally irrelevant for a long time, and I don't think he'd be in the very top tier of Maru/Life even if he did come back (to me, Life's first GSL finals was enough proof that was a better player). He may be one of the smartest ever, but with how competitive Korea is now, he wouldn't necessarily be one of the best. Plus I remember hearing this guy has some serious wrist or back issues - a hardcore starcraft career is probably not even possible.
Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere. It's not hard to understand, he's arguably the most accomplished SC2 player, and thus arguably the greatest. Life only won the GSL finals because MVP threw game 7, which is evidence of a fluke rather than a superior player. Please no. A player does not "throw" a game like that. Being able to capitalize on your opponent's mistakes and to force him to do said mistakes is part of the game, and part of who's the "better player".
No actually players choke and throw all the time. Not saying he intentionally threw of course. It's not at all a mistake Life "forced".
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On April 10 2015 03:41 Xrero wrote:
I don't know why people get super-excited about anything Mvp. He has been totally irrelevant for a long time, and I don't think he'd be in the very top tier of Maru/Life even if he did come back (to me, Life's first GSL finals was enough proof that was a better player). He may be one of the smartest ever, but with how competitive Korea is now, he wouldn't necessarily be one of the best. Plus I remember hearing this guy has some serious wrist or back issues - a hardcore starcraft career is probably not even possible.
Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere.
If he didn't have physical conditions that prevented him from being able to practice, I'm sure he'd still be somewhere at the top right now.
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On April 10 2015 02:26 Mistakes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 02:03 excitedBear wrote:On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote:On April 09 2015 12:30 Fyodor wrote:
He made enough to be middle class for like ten years, what are you talking about. According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. lol, I can live comfortably for 20 years with 350k I'd be about 7 years comfortably. In any case, Mvp had to of been making some salary money too. Also he probably wasn't (or isn't) paying for much living in the team house.
For just rent, it's difficult to get anything decent in LA for <$1000, unless you want to live somewhere like Compton. On the other hand, you won't have to worry about the money lasting longer than 10 years living there.
Seoul is more expensive than LA. It's one of the most expensive cities in the entire planet.
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Please, G5L.
The trophy with his name on it already exists!
I believe in you Mvp!!
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On March 31 2015 23:18 shid0x wrote:
I refuse to believe that he will never ever come back (even if its just for 2 month )
lotv is the end of starcraft II, there will never be any more starcraft II after it, its like the last showoff you can pull.
I expect a lot of old star coming back for one last ride Mvp included.
Called it.
Mvp is the king and the king will never leave with some unfinished meat on the grill.
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That's great news to hear. I just watched State of Play's bonus documentary and got some serious nerd chills. The climax with him winning his fourth GSL versus Squirtle was so epic.
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On April 10 2015 08:06 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 02:26 Mistakes wrote:On April 10 2015 02:03 excitedBear wrote:On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote:On April 09 2015 12:30 Fyodor wrote:
He made enough to be middle class for like ten years, what are you talking about. According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. lol, I can live comfortably for 20 years with 350k I'd be about 7 years comfortably. In any case, Mvp had to of been making some salary money too. Also he probably wasn't (or isn't) paying for much living in the team house. For just rent, it's difficult to get anything decent in LA for <$1000, unless you want to live somewhere like Compton. On the other hand, you won't have to worry about the money lasting longer than 10 years living there. Seoul is more expensive than LA. It's one of the most expensive cities in the entire planet.
From my experience visiting, it's a lot easier to live comfortably and inexpensively in Seoul than it is to do so in LA...
I'd say in general, LA is much more expensive.
Also, I hope he's feeling healthier now. If he does return, I hope he does his best, otherwise I hope he retires.
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On April 10 2015 06:42 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote:On April 10 2015 04:04 Doodsmack wrote:On April 10 2015 03:41 Xrero wrote:
I don't know why people get super-excited about anything Mvp. He has been totally irrelevant for a long time, and I don't think he'd be in the very top tier of Maru/Life even if he did come back (to me, Life's first GSL finals was enough proof that was a better player). He may be one of the smartest ever, but with how competitive Korea is now, he wouldn't necessarily be one of the best. Plus I remember hearing this guy has some serious wrist or back issues - a hardcore starcraft career is probably not even possible.
Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere. It's not hard to understand, he's arguably the most accomplished SC2 player, and thus arguably the greatest. Life only won the GSL finals because MVP threw game 7, which is evidence of a fluke rather than a superior player. Please no. A player does not "throw" a game like that. Being able to capitalize on your opponent's mistakes and to force him to do said mistakes is part of the game, and part of who's the "better player". No actually players choke and throw all the time. Not saying he intentionally threw of course. It's not at all a mistake Life "forced".
Well choking means that is more prone to pressure than his opponent, which is still part of being the "better player".
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He's still not totally "unretired" in my mind, tho...
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What made people even think we was retired? Especially on a April 1st day??
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my face went nuts when I saw this news. MVP NOOOOO!
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On April 11 2015 03:19 masterrn wrote:
What made people even think we was retired? Especially on a April 1st day??
It wasn't April first when the announcement was made.
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Honestly I don't know if I'd want MVP to start playing in tournaments / ect again. I just feel like he'll never be able to live up to his own hype. If he somehow could, I would be astounded and amazed and the most giggly fanboy of all time, but I just can't see it happening 
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He could come back and be competitive.He reminds me of Polt, not the absolute fastest or most mechanical but both super smart players.
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On April 11 2015 10:36 Pursuit_ wrote:Honestly I don't know if I'd want MVP to start playing in tournaments / ect again. I just feel like he'll never be able to live up to his own hype. If he somehow could, I would be astounded and amazed and the most giggly fanboy of all time, but I just can't see it happening
I'm kind of in the same place. I love Mvp, but it was sad watching him struggle when he last played. Missing out on Challenger League and stuff.
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