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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
Reddit Link Would be great if someone knows where Coach Kang posted and can translate what it says. Reddit user dokdo812 gave a rough translation: Rough translation: Hello. This is Kang Dong Hoon from IM. While it is true that Mvp is considering his future paths, it is not true that he retired. I'm still talking a lot with Mvp. We're pleased to see this much support from a lot of people still. We ask you to continue your interest and support. (Mvp is laughing that he got "force-retired"~ haha) 
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
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Lucrania
United States44 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 09 2015 11:54 ElMeanYo wrote: G5L The dream still lives. == Also it'd be great if the coach could elaborate on wtf ever happened to IM -. - | ||
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MiniFotToss
China2430 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:02 MiniFotToss wrote: As much as I love the fact that Mvp is not retired, if he is not playing professional SCII, then how the hell is he making money, does he have another job? (It's obvious that the amount of money he made in 2014 is not enough to keep him fed all the way till now He made enough to be middle class for like ten years, what are you talking about. | ||
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South
80 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:30 Fyodor wrote: He made enough to be middle class for like ten years, what are you talking about. According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44052 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote: According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. How is $35K per year "pretty crappy" when he doesn't need to support a family? | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
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Deathstar
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: How is $35K per year "pretty crappy" when he doesn't need to support a family? It isn't. With $350k, if he invests it properly and use it appropriately it should last him a lot of time once he steps out of the SC2 world and into the real world. However didn't he say he was using his prize money to help his family out because his family was very poor? I recall reading something about this a long time ago. On April 09 2015 12:54 Shellshock wrote: I bet he doesn't come back. He shouldn't if it really causes him a lot of pain. If he's feeling better or had surgery done to help him and really wants to play then I welcome him back. I just want him to stream occasionally like he did on Azubu. Get a webcam, interact with fans online, stream an hour or two each day and you got yourself some extra income as well as fun with fans. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2623 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: How is $35K per year "pretty crappy" when he doesn't need to support a family? Except he supports his family, also he is married. And I'm not sure if liquipedia counts his salary too. | ||
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omisa
United States494 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
Least that's the hype I'd like to see if he returns for LotV. | ||
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ETisME
12336 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote: According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development the median salary in South Korea in 2012 was $36 thousand US a year. So yes, he would be a middle Korean with $350k winnings, except he would have the advantage of having it front loaded. | ||
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AKAvg
Brazil298 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On April 09 2015 15:17 AKAvg wrote: Funny that he doesn't come out and say something about it Maybe he is still weighting his decision. | ||
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
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egernya
Canada352 Posts
On April 09 2015 13:11 Lexender wrote: Except he supports his family, also he is married. And I'm not sure if liquipedia counts his salary too. When did he get married? I assume you are confused him with nestea? | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
hes not REALLY retired.. just retired until he decides to play again. | ||
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MiniFotToss
China2430 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote: According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. does the 350K count the taxes that Mvp has to pay? or is it already subtracted? | ||
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Nirel
Israel1526 Posts
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Stolker
United States96 Posts
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DreamR
United Kingdom168 Posts
On April 09 2015 14:28 Wildmoon wrote: Hooray!!!! The King! I don't even care if he will be as good as he was or not. I just want to see him occasionally bring some innovative strategies like he did in the past. you can say ' the king of wings ' but to say ' the king ' isn't accurate, there's one true king. and that's marineking. | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
I'd also love for IM to be a thing in SC2 again. T_T | ||
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vexille
8 Posts
mvp will retire, when he says he will retire. although he really should give his fans an update as to what the hell he's doing nowadays, instead of relying on other people to do it for him, or to just simply not give a crap. i'm pretty sure there are a lot of mvp fans out there who are very curious and a little frustrated about being kept in the dark as to what he's doing. | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On April 09 2015 15:54 DreamR wrote: you can say ' the king of wings ' but to say ' the king ' isn't accurate, there's one true king. and that's marineking. funny I don't remember MarineFixer winning a GSL... | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
The dream still lives. Dreams are, you know, just dreams. Not real Life | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
- give beta access to MVP, let him test and fix the game. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Divias
35 Posts
Hope he enters the scene pretty soon again for real. We need the King of Wings back on track to show them whos the real Bonjwa | ||
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Ayuka_ggnet
Russian Federation8 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Hope he'll end up doing something cool anyway! | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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TsogiMaster
191 Posts
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messioso
Denmark635 Posts
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Penev
28463 Posts
On April 09 2015 17:30 Ayuka_ggnet wrote: $350k in winnings, don't forget salary, which is not small by any means over 400k even (Mvp is 3rd on the list) http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
On April 09 2015 17:41 TsogiMaster wrote: LoL where are you guys living? With 350K $ I would live almost 20 years without a job. I live in Germany and spent around 900€ for a month, so in a year almost 10k, which means I will be ok for 30 years. You guys must be living in really EXPENSIVE countries.. France minimum wages are around 1400€, "poverty level" is identified at about 1000€/month. That's considering you provide for a single person. Yes you can live on less than that and survive on a lot less, but that might not be everyone's goal (900€/month would not pay my rent in Paris) Go MVP !! Thought we'd see him more as a coach, glad if we see him play. | ||
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padiseal2
Austria721 Posts
On April 09 2015 17:47 messioso wrote: Does this mean IM still exists? IM never officially got disbanded, they just let go of all their players | ||
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sharkie
Austria18344 Posts
On April 09 2015 17:41 TsogiMaster wrote: LoL where are you guys living? With 350K $ I would live almost 20 years without a job. I live in Germany and spent around 900€ for a month, so in a year almost 10k, which means I will be ok for 30 years. You guys must be living in really EXPENSIVE countries.. 30 years as single. I doubt anyone wants to live 30 years alone... | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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cravin74
Malaysia1088 Posts
On April 09 2015 18:35 ZenithM wrote: Guys, guys... He didn't say he planned to come back, he just didn't retire. So, what is he then? #schrodingerscat Dota retired. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On April 09 2015 16:19 Lunareste wrote: funny I don't remember MarineFixer winning a GSL... But I do remember those GSLs he placed second in...right behind the King. Mvp fo lyfe | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On April 09 2015 16:19 Lunareste wrote: funny I don't remember MarineFixer winning a GSL... Not even a good nickname. Something like MatchfixKingPrime maybe. It kinda sounds alike :'( | ||
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NihilisticGod
Northern Ireland174 Posts
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TheMagicianSC2
France74 Posts
Wanted to catch a light on his poor twitter acc. COME ON MVP LETS GO | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
On April 09 2015 17:47 messioso wrote: Does this mean IM still exists? I also want to know this. Maybe the designator "IM Head Coach" is just there as a descriptor so people know who he is based on previous occupation. BUT THE QUESTION STILL STANDS. | ||
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Ja.Y.
United States253 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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ThePastor
New Zealand380 Posts
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
https://www.facebook.com/IMteam/photos/a.183634615052697.46806.183610835055075/793077954108357/?type=1&theater Check the comments. Seems like there is a slight chance IM might return, however it is highly doubtable that MVP will return. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On April 09 2015 18:28 sharkie wrote: 30 years as single. I doubt anyone wants to live 30 years alone... not everyone wants kids and a wife who doesn't work  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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TsogiMaster
191 Posts
On April 09 2015 23:11 brickrd wrote: not everyone wants kids and a wife who doesn't work LoL? I dont live alone. And actually even for 3 people 1k € for a month is enough. | ||
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Son1x
Slovenia17 Posts
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fenrysk
United States364 Posts
G5L the dream pls. long live the King of Wings | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
He's done enough, I hope this isn't the team or the coaches holding him in. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2015 00:03 Noocta wrote: Let him retire FFS He's done enough, I hope this isn't the team or the coaches holding him in. You mean the 1-man team and the ill coach d: | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 10 2015 00:03 Noocta wrote: Let him retire FFS He's done enough, I hope this isn't the team or the coaches holding him in. This so much. He already went down in history as the greatest SC2 player ever, what could he realistically add to that in the current environment... | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote: According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. he made that only from winnings ... how about salary ? oO | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
About time you win that fifth GSL. Edit: On April 10 2015 00:33 TheDwf wrote: This so much. He already went down in history as the greatest SC2 player ever, what could he realistically add to that in the current environment... There's this too, though... I wonder what his real feelings are. | ||
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excitedBear
Austria120 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote: According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. lol, I can live comfortably for 20 years with 350k | ||
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astray71
United States325 Posts
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
On April 10 2015 02:03 excitedBear wrote: lol, I can live comfortably for 20 years with 350k I'd be about 7 years comfortably. In any case, Mvp had to of been making some salary money too. Also he probably wasn't (or isn't) paying for much living in the team house. | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:36 South wrote: According to liquipedia, he made about $350K gross. That's a pretty crappy middle class for 10 years, especially given that 3+ of those years are already gone. I read in a interview (back in the time of the first sc2 osl) he bought a house for his parents, so I bet a good chunk of those 350k is already long gone | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: How is $35K per year "pretty crappy" when he doesn't need to support a family? Confirmed its utter shit living. Can i have it ? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 09 2015 12:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: How is $35K per year "pretty crappy" when he doesn't need to support a family? Taxes on the prizes and medical bills will make it much less than $35k. Plus he probably gives it to his parents with Korean tradition and whatnot. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 10 2015 02:26 Mistakes wrote: I'd be about 7 years comfortably. In any case, Mvp had to of been making some salary money too. Also he probably wasn't (or isn't) paying for much living in the team house. Any salary money IM made was probably a pittance. | ||
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Xrero
United States120 Posts
Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere. | ||
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masterrn
72 Posts
He's laughing that the community "forced retired" him right now according to the Korean text. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On April 10 2015 03:00 Doodsmack wrote: Any salary money IM made was probably a pittance. For the year LG sponsored them I'm sure their salaries were actually very good. Especially MVPs and Nesteas since the sponsorship started while they were still 2 of the best players in the world. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 10 2015 03:41 Xrero wrote: I don't know why people get super-excited about anything Mvp. He has been totally irrelevant for a long time, and I don't think he'd be in the very top tier of Maru/Life even if he did come back (to me, Life's first GSL finals was enough proof that was a better player). He may be one of the smartest ever, but with how competitive Korea is now, he wouldn't necessarily be one of the best. Plus I remember hearing this guy has some serious wrist or back issues - a hardcore starcraft career is probably not even possible. Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere. It's not hard to understand, he's arguably the most accomplished SC2 player, and thus arguably the greatest. Life only won the GSL finals because MVP threw game 7, which is evidence of a fluke rather than a superior player. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 10 2015 04:00 JJH777 wrote: For the year LG sponsored them I'm sure their salaries were actually very good. Especially MVPs and Nesteas since the sponsorship started while they were still 2 of the best players in the world. I wouldn't be so sure, there were even reports that LG hadn't paid or their payment was very delayed. eSF teams were basically piss poor. IM's coach stated several times he was paying out of his own pocket. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2015 04:04 Doodsmack wrote: It's not hard to understand, he's arguably the most accomplished SC2 player, and thus arguably the greatest. Life only won the GSL finals because MVP threw game 7, which is evidence of a fluke rather than a superior player. Please no. A player does not "throw" a game like that. Being able to capitalize on your opponent's mistakes and to force him to do said mistakes is part of the game, and part of who's the "better player". | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
On April 10 2015 04:06 Doodsmack wrote: I wouldn't be so sure, there were even reports that LG hadn't paid or their payment was very delayed. eSF teams were basically piss poor. IM's coach stated several times he was paying out of his own pocket. That was after the first year. For the first year LG sponsored them things were fine. It was the next 6 months that they stopped paying since they never officially said they were going to continue sponsoring them. On April 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote: Please no. A player does not "throw" a game like that. Being able to capitalize on your opponent's mistakes and to force him to do said mistakes is part of the game, and part of who's the "better player". A 4-3 in a bo7 hardly confirms one player as being definitely better. Plus a lot of those games were decided by extremely minor mistakes. MVP accomplished more in 2011 than Life has in 4 years. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 10 2015 04:10 OtherWorld wrote: Please no. A player does not "throw" a game like that. Being able to capitalize on your opponent's mistakes and to force him to do said mistakes is part of the game, and part of who's the "better player". No actually players choke and throw all the time. Not saying he intentionally threw of course. It's not at all a mistake Life "forced". | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
On April 10 2015 03:41 Xrero wrote: I don't know why people get super-excited about anything Mvp. He has been totally irrelevant for a long time, and I don't think he'd be in the very top tier of Maru/Life even if he did come back (to me, Life's first GSL finals was enough proof that was a better player). He may be one of the smartest ever, but with how competitive Korea is now, he wouldn't necessarily be one of the best. Plus I remember hearing this guy has some serious wrist or back issues - a hardcore starcraft career is probably not even possible. Just let him go - I hope he makes a decision with minimal external pressure and if not starcraft, then makes the most of his talent elsewhere. If he didn't have physical conditions that prevented him from being able to practice, I'm sure he'd still be somewhere at the top right now. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On April 10 2015 02:26 Mistakes wrote: I'd be about 7 years comfortably. In any case, Mvp had to of been making some salary money too. Also he probably wasn't (or isn't) paying for much living in the team house. For just rent, it's difficult to get anything decent in LA for <$1000, unless you want to live somewhere like Compton. On the other hand, you won't have to worry about the money lasting longer than 10 years living there. Seoul is more expensive than LA. It's one of the most expensive cities in the entire planet. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
The trophy with his name on it already exists! I believe in you Mvp!! | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On March 31 2015 23:18 shid0x wrote: I refuse to believe that he will never ever come back (even if its just for 2 month ) lotv is the end of starcraft II, there will never be any more starcraft II after it, its like the last showoff you can pull. I expect a lot of old star coming back for one last ride Mvp included. Called it. Mvp is the king and the king will never leave with some unfinished meat on the grill. | ||
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gasmeter
United Kingdom249 Posts
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On April 10 2015 08:06 andrewlt wrote: For just rent, it's difficult to get anything decent in LA for <$1000, unless you want to live somewhere like Compton. On the other hand, you won't have to worry about the money lasting longer than 10 years living there. Seoul is more expensive than LA. It's one of the most expensive cities in the entire planet. From my experience visiting, it's a lot easier to live comfortably and inexpensively in Seoul than it is to do so in LA... I'd say in general, LA is much more expensive. Also, I hope he's feeling healthier now. If he does return, I hope he does his best, otherwise I hope he retires. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2015 06:42 Doodsmack wrote: No actually players choke and throw all the time. Not saying he intentionally threw of course. It's not at all a mistake Life "forced". Well choking means that is more prone to pressure than his opponent, which is still part of being the "better player". | ||
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leandroqm
Netherlands874 Posts
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masterrn
72 Posts
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A3th3r
United States319 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On April 11 2015 03:19 masterrn wrote: What made people even think we was retired? Especially on a April 1st day?? It wasn't April first when the announcement was made. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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Zephyp
238 Posts
On April 11 2015 10:36 Pursuit_ wrote: Honestly I don't know if I'd want MVP to start playing in tournaments / ect again. I just feel like he'll never be able to live up to his own hype. If he somehow could, I would be astounded and amazed and the most giggly fanboy of all time, but I just can't see it happening I'm kind of in the same place. I love Mvp, but it was sad watching him struggle when he last played. Missing out on Challenger League and stuff. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On April 10 2015 08:06 andrewlt wrote: For just rent, it's difficult to get anything decent in LA for <$1000, unless you want to live somewhere like Compton. On the other hand, you won't have to worry about the money lasting longer than 10 years living there. Seoul is more expensive than LA. It's one of the most expensive cities in the entire planet. I spend around $1.2-1.5k per month living in Seoul, this is including rent, utilities, groceries, transport and going out (admittedly I usually just take my waifu to the restaurant or movies or something low key like that a few times a week, but then again stuff like clubs or whatever is dirt cheap in Seoul, too). I wouldn't say I'm very frugal, either. Seoul is only expensive to live in if you are going to rent a big apartment in like Gangnam or whatever, and / or if you insist on having a car. | ||
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ZandeSC2
Sweden23 Posts
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masterrn
72 Posts
On April 11 2015 10:31 The_Templar wrote: It wasn't April first when the announcement was made. What day was it ? | ||
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Elentos
55468 Posts
It was still March (31st maybe?) everywhere on the planet IIRC. | ||
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masterrn
72 Posts
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Elentos
55468 Posts
On April 14 2015 07:14 masterrn wrote: Exactly my point - March 31st western would be April 1st in KR time. It was still March in Korea, but then he also said "Mvp hasn't played SC2 in almost a year" when Mvp was still trying to qualify for events half a year ago. *shrug* | ||
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ZandeSC2
Sweden23 Posts
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