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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:08 Caihead wrote: Just wondering, how much money do you actually need to put on either side to tilt the odds to that ratio on pinnacle? Must be at least 10k propably way more than that | ||
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:08 Rekrul wrote: facts: 1. illegal sports betting in korea is much bigger than it was during the BW scandal so there is more $ to be earned from throwing matches, pinnacle is just a small piece of the pie 2. everyone in the korean sc2 scene already knows that fixing is rampant in proleague especially among players who don't make much money and aren't good enough to dominate individual leagues (where it definitely happens sometimes as well) 3. sc2 is already suffering in korea as is, them investigating or going public trying to stop it is not only futile with the given industry dynamics, but would also likely destroy sc2 in korea Man, I hate reading these kind of things. I can believe it for sure, it just makes me sad to think that it's true. | ||
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HoZBlooddrop
Italy324 Posts
토쟁이 쓰레기들은 공감 못하겠지... 프로게이머라는 직업에 붙은 프로라는 말... 대다수 어렸을적부터 반대를 무릎쓰고 꿈꿔왔던, 간절히 바랬기에 갖은 노력을 해서 얻어진 타이틀 프로게이머 우린 그것에 자부심을 가져서 정말 반복되고 지치고 힘든 생활을 버틴다 너네같이 꿈없고 물흘러가듯이 살다가 가십거리로, 우연히 불법토토로 알게된 우리들에게 욕할 자격이 없다 주어진 한경기를 위해 자나깨나 미친듯이 생각하고 동료들과 토론하고 준비하고 해야 얻어질수있는 값진 승리 너희같은 하류들은 평생 살아도 모르겠지 진선수들에게 조작거리는게 한심하고 가엾다 너넨 평생 모를테니까 가슴뛰는 그 승리의 성취감을 ㅎㅎ | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:13 Welmu wrote: Must be at least 10k propably way more than that Wouldn't that depend heavily on the total amount wagered on a given match? | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:08 Rekrul wrote: facts: 1. illegal sports betting in korea is much bigger than it was during the BW scandal so there is more $ to be earned from throwing matches, pinnacle is just a small piece of the pie 2. everyone in the korean sc2 scene already knows that fixing is rampant in proleague especially among players who don't make much money and aren't good enough to dominate individual leagues (where it definitely happens sometimes as well) 3. sc2 is already suffering in korea as is, them investigating or going public trying to stop it is not only futile with the given industry dynamics, but would also likely destroy sc2 in korea I'm not sure how to ask this without coming off as a dick, but, uh... who are you? You've got a ton of posts, you may be in Korea, and you seem to have some insider info, so I'm very intrigued. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I'm not sure how to ask this without coming off as a dick, but, uh... who are you? You've got a ton of posts, you may be in Korea, and you seem to have some insider info, so I'm very intrigued. Rek is old school. He pretty much broke the bw match fixing. | ||
GTR
51706 Posts
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:14 felisconcolori wrote: Wouldn't that depend heavily on the total amount wagered on a given match? Yeah it does, but in every case should be at least that much even with no bets under. Doing max bet (~800 euro usually) on new line doesnt move it too much, but can't remember how much it actually moves the line usually. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:14 felisconcolori wrote: Wouldn't that depend heavily on the total amount wagered on a given match? Yea I want to know what the ratio of money on mk / byul was | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:18 GTR wrote: in a nutshell and in relation to this topic he was the first person to break the story about how there was match fixing in the brood war industry in 2010. he has numerous industry connections stemming from his time as a progamer in the early 2000s so you can trust most of what he says. Rekrul Lewis, eh? Kidding. Was way before my time here on TL (or in esports in general). Can you give more insights, Rekrul? | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
It's a call out against the people who are saying he match-fixed. There's an implicit assumption that the people who are calling him out are the people who lost betting on him. "Gambler trash couldn't possibly know... What the "pro" in "progamer" means... Most of us had to go against disapproval from our parents since we were young, and we earned the title of Progamer because we wanted it that much and worked that hard for it. It's our pride in that title that lets us live through repetitive and hard lives. People like you who don't have any dreams and pass through life like water -- who come to know of us through illegal betting -- you don't have any right to gossip about or insult us. For a single game, waking and sleeping, we wrack our brains like crazy, planning and discussing with our teammates -- that's what you need to win a precious victory. Losers like you wouldn't know that for your entire lives. It's pathetic how you say players who lose are fixing matches. Because you guys will never know what it feels, that heart-pounding satisfaction when you win." | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:20 boxerfred wrote: Rekrul Lewis, eh? Kidding. Was way before my time here on TL (or in esports in general). Can you give more insights, Rekrul? More like Rek-"I pissed off the president of Mongolia"-rul | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:21 HolyArrow wrote: I think it's Waxangel who posted this translation for MKP's post in a reddit thread: MKP doing his best Lance Armstrong impression? | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:21 HolyArrow wrote: I think it's Waxangel who posted this translation for MKP's post in a reddit thread: Of course the obvious question is why did all of his practice and effort fail to include updating his scouting pattern after Symbol did the same proxy on this map? But ya, more or less what I expected him to be saying, if not more angry than I expected. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:18 Caihead wrote: Rek is old school. He pretty much broke the bw match fixing. On March 25 2015 08:18 GTR wrote: in a nutshell and in relation to this topic he was the first person to break the story about how there was match fixing in the brood war industry in 2010. he has numerous industry connections stemming from his time as a progamer in the early 2000s so you can trust most of what he says. Oh, wow, OK. So... we just learned that PL and individual league matches are regularly fixed? Just like that? This is now a thing? Is complete and utter dismay an appropriate reaction at this time? | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:25 Wuster wrote: Of course the obvious question is why did all of his practice and effort fail to include updating his scouting pattern after Symbol did the same proxy on this map? But ya, more or less what I expected him to be saying, if not more angry than I expected. ... because Marineking. Seriously, scouting has never been his strong point; neither has change. Hardship, yeah, he's had to work to get where he is and had some tough periods going through it. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:25 pure.Wasted wrote: Oh, wow, OK. So... we just learned that PL and individual league matches are regularly fixed? Just like that? This is now a thing? Is complete and utter dismay an appropriate reaction at this time? As a BW kt fan I've been through worse. But yea, sucks ass. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:25 pure.Wasted wrote: Oh, wow, OK. So... we just learned that PL and individual league matches are regularly fixed? Just like that? This is now a thing? Is complete and utter dismay an appropriate reaction at this time? :/ | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On March 25 2015 08:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I'm not sure how to ask this without coming off as a dick, but, uh... who are you? You've got a ton of posts, you may be in Korea, and you seem to have some insider info, so I'm very intrigued. rekrul is lurker  | ||
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