On March 10 2015 00:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: As long as there is sc2 in korea i don't care too much tbh.
Without a foreign scene to gather new viewership and provide koreans with prizemoney, how do you think the SC2 scene in korean will work out?
I am not sure why you quote me there. I say it again, as long as there is korean sc2 i don't care about foreign events too much. If the lack of foreign events would prevent me from watching korean sc2 i would care. We both know nothing about the requirements for korean sc2 to be viable, so it's rather pointless to speculate.
On March 10 2015 21:23 Caladan wrote: Wow, after reading this I just decided, I never want to have to do anything with DH again, neither go there, nor watch the stream. I was away some time, so I didnt't know this. I take everything back when defending DH in this thread.
Just wow, completely blows my mind. o.O
How about you try to learn about the two sides of a story?^^
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
I agree with you for once (not on the GOM thing though). People are complaining that DH is keeping its involvement in SC2 at the same level. That's just beyond absurdity.
To be fair, in this thread there are more complaints about the sc2 fanbase and the percieved hatred towards Dreamhack than actual hatred towards DH. Most of us are just a bit confused since theres no official statement about the matter and what it means (if it means anything at all) for sc2 and dreamhack in the future.
How does minecraft even work as an Esport? Do judges grade the prettiest houses?
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
I agree with you for once (not on the GOM thing though). People are complaining that DH is keeping its involvement in SC2 at the same level. That's just beyond absurdity.
To be fair, in this thread there are more complaints about the sc2 fanbase and the percieved hatred towards Dreamhack than actual hatred towards DH. Most of us are just a bit confused since theres no official statement about the matter and what it means (if it means anything at all) for sc2 and dreamhack in the future.
How does minecraft even work as an Esport? Do judges grade the prettiest houses?
I guess you missed this
On March 10 2015 21:12 jarod wrote: DH Bucharest is non SC2 event, there are 2xDH in Romania, and only 1 has SC2 in it. This year will be the one from Cluj. soooooooo DH Cluj will host the SC2 event. Last year was the same, 2 DH events in Romania and only one had SC2 in it.
As well as the fact that DH:France was created, granting an additional SC2 DH event. What I see in this thread is people pitchforking for the sake of pitchforking, without trying to use their brains much. There are no reasons to be "a bit confused" since after firing Ohlen, DH released a statement saying that SC2 won't be the main game of DH events anymore, but will still be present at most DH events, just like last year. And your disdain towards Minecraft as a competitive game, a disdain that is, sadly, widely found in this thread, is a shame and probably partly why the SC2 scene is often seen by outsiders as "elitist" and "contemptuous". Can't we accept the fact that other games than SC2 exist and can be played competitively?
On March 10 2015 00:48 Circumstance wrote: I think I said that this when the GOM stream quality thing first became a topic of discussion, but it's worth repeating now: Every time the SC2 community loses some small convenience, they go out of their way, practically bend over backwards, to demonstrate why they didn't deserve it. And between attacking DH for daring to experiment with their lineup while not decreasing its support of SC2 in any way and bashing completely separate games because of its perceived (and ONLY perceived) threat posed to SC2's involvement, the community has proven that statement right once again. (And that's on the more level-headed website. I can only imagine what Reddit's saying at this point.)
I agree with you for once (not on the GOM thing though). People are complaining that DH is keeping its involvement in SC2 at the same level. That's just beyond absurdity.
To be fair, in this thread there are more complaints about the sc2 fanbase and the percieved hatred towards Dreamhack than actual hatred towards DH. Most of us are just a bit confused since theres no official statement about the matter and what it means (if it means anything at all) for sc2 and dreamhack in the future.
How does minecraft even work as an Esport? Do judges grade the prettiest houses?
On March 10 2015 21:12 jarod wrote: DH Bucharest is non SC2 event, there are 2xDH in Romania, and only 1 has SC2 in it. This year will be the one from Cluj. soooooooo DH Cluj will host the SC2 event. Last year was the same, 2 DH events in Romania and only one had SC2 in it.
As well as the fact that DH:France was created, granting an additional SC2 DH event. What I see in this thread is people pitchforking for the sake of pitchforking, without trying to use their brains much. There are no reasons to be "a bit confused" since after firing Ohlen, DH released a statement saying that SC2 won't be the main game of DH events anymore, but will still be present at most DH events, just like last year. And your disdain towards Minecraft as a competitive game, a disdain that is, sadly, widely found in this thread, is a shame and probably partly why the SC2 scene is often seen by outsiders as "elitist" and "contemptuous". Can't we accept the fact that other games than SC2 exist and can be played competitively?
Oh we all know about the "no longer the main game" statement, thats not what I was concerned about, however your first quote helps setting things straight. As far as my "disdain towards minecraft" goes, Im genuinly curious how a game, that in my eyes is as competitive as the Sims, would work as an esport.
You know whats wrong with the sc2 community? Theres so much internal hate based on assumptions. "Oh youre not happy about sc2 not being featured? Obviously you dont understand the concept of money and companies" "So you dont personally like <insert game x here> please stop with the insane elitism" Disclaimer: I dont dislike minecraft, im genuinly curious as how it would work as an esport. As you can see in this thread, or every thread on reddit/starcraft, hating on the community by being a part of the community is appearently something popular. Its like were that kid who got bullied and abused so much that he started to bully himself just to have others laugh with him for once.
Also much of the 'rage' could be easily dissipated with some kind of press release or communication.
The Ohlen scenario aside, Dreamhack's lack of clarity recently has been piss poor at times, similarly to KeSPa and the ST-Yoe DQ. Much of the community's ire is formed on speculation that could easily be quashed.
On March 10 2015 21:19 BisuDagger wrote: Here's the answer for competitive minecraft:
As I was thinking and already said, this is just ridiculous. MineCraft competitive... brave new world.
On March 10 2015 21:23 Caladan wrote: Wow, after reading this I just decided, I never want to have to do anything with DH again, neither go there, nor watch the stream. I was away some time, so I didnt't know this. I take everything back when defending DH in this thread.
from the DH newsletter, that I just received, not sure if this info is already available somewhere else
Razer, EIZO, and HyperX are proud to join DreamHack in announcing the DreamHack Open 2015 tour, which will visit two new countries and, for the first time ever, feature two official titles: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. [...] DreamHack Open has featured StarCraft II since the event first launched in 2012, and in 2015, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is being added as the second official title. As a game that’s deeply ingrained in DreamHack’s eSports roots, it’s very exciting to be able to bring Counter-Strike on tour as an official DreamHack Open title in Sweden, Spain, Romania, France and England. [...]
DREAMHACK OPEN 2015 STOPS DreamHack Tours – May 8-10 (8-10), Tours, France Counter-Strike: Global Offensive & StarCraft II
DreamHack Summer – June 13-16 (13-15), Jonkoping, Sweden Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
DreamHack Valencia – July 16-19 (16-18), Valencia, Spain Counter-Strike: Global Offensive & StarCraft II
DreamHack Stockholm – September 25-26 (25-26), Stockholm, Sweden Counter-Strike: Global Offensive & StarCraft II
DreamHack London – TBA, London, England Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
DreamHack Cluj-Napoca – October 30-November 1 (30-1), Cluj-Napoca, Romania Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
DreamHack Winter – November 26-29 (26-28), Jonkoping, Sweden Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
Razer, EIZO, and HyperX are proud to join DreamHack in announcing the DreamHack Open 2015 tour, which will visit two new countries and, for the first time ever, feature two official titles: StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. [...] DreamHack Open has featured StarCraft II since the event first launched in 2012, and in 2015, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is being added as the second official title. As a game that’s deeply ingrained in DreamHack’s eSports roots, it’s very exciting to be able to bring Counter-Strike on tour as an official DreamHack Open title in Sweden, Spain, Romania, France and England. [...]
DREAMHACK OPEN 2015 STOPS DreamHack Tours – May 8-10 (8-10), Tours, France Counter-Strike: Global Offensive & StarCraft II
DreamHack Summer – June 13-16 (13-15), Jonkoping, Sweden Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
DreamHack Valencia – July 16-19 (16-18), Valencia, Spain Counter-Strike: Global Offensive & StarCraft II
DreamHack Stockholm – September 25-26 (25-26), Stockholm, Sweden Counter-Strike: Global Offensive & StarCraft II
DreamHack London – TBA, London, England Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
DreamHack Cluj-Napoca – October 30-November 1 (30-1), Cluj-Napoca, Romania Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
DreamHack Winter – November 26-29 (26-28), Jonkoping, Sweden Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
No sc2 at Dreamhack Summer, Winter, or London. To the people who were arguing that Dreamhack has kept the same amount of support for sc2 as last year because of DH Paris, I will field your arguments now
EPT
