Seeds 1-4 - The four Intel Extreme Masters Season 9 winners
Seeds 5-8 - The four Intel Extreme Masters Season 9 runners-up
Seeds 9-14 - The six players that went through the online qualifier without a loss
Seeds 15-16 - The two players that won the third place deciders in the Korean and European online qualifiers
The top seed will play seed 16, seed 2 will play seed 15 and so on and so forth in this pattern until all seeds are paired.
The only restriction in place was that no Season 9 Intel Extreme Masters winner could meet his respective final opponent before the grand final of this grid, for example Life versus Maru (first versus second at Intel Extreme Masters Taipei) could not end up in the same half of the grid. This ensures that we won't see a replay of any of the Season 9 finals until the grand finals of the Intel Extreme Masters World Championship.
Looks amazing, only thing I'm sad about is the possibility of Bbyong vs herO teamkill on 2nd round. Flash vs Fantasy could happen on 2nd round as well :D Pretty unlikely though.
On March 04 2015 01:36 Zealously wrote: This bracket is pretty good for Life. Would be really fun to see him in the finals against either Maru again or Fantasy/Taeja
Naah, this will be a repeat of MLG 2 years ago, with Life being the only Zerg all the way to the finals, where he faces Flash and wins 4-2.
Only way this could have been better is if there was one token foreigner there. Nobody can argue that this isn't among the most stacked lineups imaginable but somehow there's usually more hype with the "can Snute/Scarlett/Bunny do well in a stacked tournament?" storyline (even though the answer is almost always 'no (s)he gets 3-0ed in the first round')
On March 04 2015 01:41 Mikau wrote: Only way this could have been better is if there was one token foreigner there. Nobody can argue that this isn't among the most stacked lineups imaginable but somehow there's usually more hype with the "can Snute/Scarlett/Bunny do well in a stacked tournament?" storyline (even though the answer is almost always 'no (s)he gets 3-0ed in the first round')
On March 04 2015 01:36 Zealously wrote: This bracket is pretty good for Life. Would be really fun to see him in the finals against either Maru again or Fantasy/Taeja
Naah, this will be a repeat of MLG 2 years ago, with Life being the only Zerg all the way to the finals, where he faces Flash and wins 4-2.
You must be quite the Flash fan if you think he could get away with play like what he showed vs Byul today vs. Life and still win two games
On March 04 2015 01:52 Tanzklaue wrote: I don't know how good Taeja is atm, i hope he shows up in top form though!
His 2015 TvZ hasn't looked so great according to his results but he hasn't really been playing at offline tournaments so maybe he'll step it up + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2015 01:33 OtherWorld wrote: Potential CJ teamkill in the Ro8, are you fucking kidding me INno vs Life as well, are you fucking kidding me²
Potential SKT team kill in the finals. I'm not seeing your point here. If anyone, SKT fans have had to deal with this for a decade.
On March 04 2015 01:33 OtherWorld wrote: Potential CJ teamkill in the Ro8, are you fucking kidding me INno vs Life as well, are you fucking kidding me²
Potential SKT team kill in the finals. I'm not seeing your point here. If anyone, SKT fans have had to deal with this for a decade.
that's because they just buy whoever is in the final. I'd like to see them develop a talent for once
On March 04 2015 01:36 Zealously wrote: This bracket is pretty good for Life. Would be really fun to see him in the finals against either Maru again or Fantasy/Taeja
Naah, this will be a repeat of MLG 2 years ago, with Life being the only Zerg all the way to the finals, where he faces Flash and wins 4-2.
You must be quite the Flash fan if you think he could get away with play like what he showed vs Byul today vs. Life and still win two games
You must be quite the Life fan if you think he could get away with play like what he showed vs Bbyong today vs. Flash and still not drop a game .
On March 04 2015 01:41 Mikau wrote: Only way this could have been better is if there was one token foreigner there. Nobody can argue that this isn't among the most stacked lineups imaginable but somehow there's usually more hype with the "can Snute/Scarlett/Bunny do well in a stacked tournament?" storyline (even though the answer is almost always 'no (s)he gets 3-0ed in the first round')
Looks like KeSPA Cup on holiday. I predict Dark winning this.
Out of all players who I think are most likely to win this thing(herO, Cure, Zest, Life, INnoVation, Maru and Dark) I think Dark has the easiest bracket in front of him. I favor him over Maru if the two clash.
On March 04 2015 01:41 Mikau wrote: Only way this could have been better is if there was one token foreigner there. Nobody can argue that this isn't among the most stacked lineups imaginable but somehow there's usually more hype with the "can Snute/Scarlett/Bunny do well in a stacked tournament?" storyline (even though the answer is almost always 'no (s)he gets 3-0ed in the first round')
On March 04 2015 01:33 OtherWorld wrote: Potential CJ teamkill in the Ro8, are you fucking kidding me INno vs Life as well, are you fucking kidding me²
Potential SKT team kill in the finals. I'm not seeing your point here. If anyone, SKT fans have had to deal with this for a decade.
Because CJ players often met in early stages of tournaments lately (see Bbyong vs sKyHigh, Bbyong vs herO etc)
On March 04 2015 02:17 REyeM wrote: Looks like KeSPA Cup on holiday. I predict Dark winning this.
Out of all players who I think are most likely to win this thing(herO, Cure, Zest, Life, INnoVation, Maru and Dark) I think Dark has the easiest bracket in front of him. I favor him over Maru if the two clash.
Easy 2-0 in NSSL Ro16...
Dark, I think, is one of the players with less experience out of korea, he could do it, but I would favor Maru
Holy stacked bracket batman. This is one of the craziest 16 person player pools we have ever seen. It's basically a GSL Ro16.
Inno vs Life again lmao. Bbyong/Solar, herO/Cure, Dark/Taeja are my other matchups to watch in the Ro16.
EDIT: Oh what the hell let's talk about all the matchups.
herO vs Cure - Total toss up but I think maybe Cure? Bbyong vs Solar - Bbyong should probably win. His TvZ is excellent and Solar hasn't been in top form. Zest vs Hydra - No offense to Hydra but Zest should probably win 3-0 or 3-1 Inno vs Life - I really dunno. It's a shame these two meet so soon but my fandom says Life wins Trap vs Flash - I think this series will be very close. Both seem to be recovering from slumps, and although Flash gets a lot of flack, I think he is pretty damn good these days. Even so, I'm picking Trap Fantasy vs Rain - EU ladder god or no EU ladder god, Fantasy probably shouldn't beat Rain Maru vs Patience - Patience earned his way into this tournament, but he does feel like the odd man out. Doesn't help that he has to play the best TvPer and probably best Terran in the world right now in Maru. Dark vs Taeja - I have not a single clue what kind of shape Taeja is in right now. If his history in weekend events is anything to go on, I have to believe he'll bring his A game. Dark is a rising star and is one of the hottest Zergs in Korea at the moment, so this one should be super exciting and could go either way. It's hard for me to even pick one to root for. Although I think I want Dark to win slightly more, I will give the edge to Taeja just because of his experience.
Cure vs Bbyong - Cure should win this most likely. Bbyong doesn't look great in TvT and Cure is a jack of all trades. Zest vs Life - Look at Blizzcon baby. Life Trap vs Rain - Complete Toss(heh) up. Trap is really good and how much has Rain declined since joining mYi? dunno. Even still I respect Rain enough to give him the win here. Maru vs Taeja - Criminal that this matchup can't be a grand final. I really have no idea, but I'll go with Maru
Cure vs Life - Probably Life? Rain vs Maru - Should go Maru's way
Maru vs Life finals the dream
There are so many awesome scenarios. Provided herO/Zest/Rain don't win I will probably be happy.
On March 04 2015 01:36 Zealously wrote: This bracket is pretty good for Life. Would be really fun to see him in the finals against either Maru again or Fantasy/Taeja
Naah, this will be a repeat of MLG 2 years ago, with Life being the only Zerg all the way to the finals, where he faces Flash and wins 4-2.
You must be quite the Flash fan if you think he could get away with play like what he showed vs Byul today vs. Life and still win two games
You must be quite the Life fan if you think he could get away with play like what he showed vs Bbyong today vs. Flash and still not drop a game .
Life rarely beats Bbyong and is notoriously weak in Bo1 because he refuses to deviate from his own norm. I know you're trying to bait me but people really ought to know that Life vs Bbyong Bo1 is hugely Bbyong favored lol
On March 04 2015 01:36 Zealously wrote: This bracket is pretty good for Life. Would be really fun to see him in the finals against either Maru again or Fantasy/Taeja
Naah, this will be a repeat of MLG 2 years ago, with Life being the only Zerg all the way to the finals, where he faces Flash and wins 4-2.
You must be quite the Flash fan if you think he could get away with play like what he showed vs Byul today vs. Life and still win two games
You must be quite the Life fan if you think he could get away with play like what he showed vs Bbyong today vs. Flash and still not drop a game .
Life rarely beats Bbyong and is notoriously weak in Bo1 because he refuses to deviate from his own norm. I know you're trying to bait me but people really ought to know that Life vs Bbyong Bo1 is hugely Bbyong favored lol
Life is stunningly average in team leagues compared to his individual league performance so I agree with you. Shouldnt be something to read too much in to.
Life vs. Innovation and Teaja vs. Dark in round one... holy shit this is stacked!
I just wish Snute had made it through, but I'll be damned if this isn't one of the highest potential skill levels I've seen in a tourny to date. Let's just hope these are alos tight and exciting matches!
On March 04 2015 02:32 Jampackedeon wrote: Life vs. Innovation and Teaja vs. Dark in round one... holy shit this is stacked!
I just wish Snute had made it through, but I'll be damned if this isn't one of the highest potential skill levels I've seen in a tourny to date. Let's just hope these are alos tight and exciting matches!
I really thought he was going to beat Fantasy and qualify but he just couldnt finish the series off
Yeah it's criminal that the three TvZ's in the first round... are in the first round. Ah well. That's what happens when you get a tournament this stacked. Eight satisfactory grand finals matchups in the Ro16
herO vs Curein in IEM Katowice round of 16. herO is at 98.74% Blizzcon Chances. 65.4% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 99.75%. 34.6% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 96.85%. Cure is at 11.4% Blizzcon Chances. 34.6% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 15.84%. 65.4% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 9.05%.
Bbyong vs Solarin in IEM Katowice round of 16. Bbyong is at 16.16% Blizzcon Chances. 53.4% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 19.67%. 46.6% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 12.14%. Solar is at 55.05% Blizzcon Chances. 46.6% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 65.75%. 53.4% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 45.71%.
Zest vs Hydrain in IEM Katowice round of 16. Zest is at 18.46% Blizzcon Chances. 46.2% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 25.31%. 53.8% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 12.57%. Hydra is at 67.92% Blizzcon Chances. 53.8% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 72.19%. 46.2% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 62.95%.
Life vs INnoVationin in IEM Katowice round of 16. Life is at 99.97% Blizzcon Chances. 55.24% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 99.99%. 44.76% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 99.94%. INnoVation is at 78.43% Blizzcon Chances. 44.76% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 84.23%. 55.24% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 73.73%.
Flash vs Trapin in IEM Katowice round of 16. Flash is at 6.05% Blizzcon Chances. 44.61% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 9.26%. 55.39% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 3.48%. Trap is at 21.07% Blizzcon Chances. 55.39% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 25.06%. 44.61% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 16.11%.
FanTaSy vs Rainin in IEM Katowice round of 16. FanTaSy is at 16.82% Blizzcon Chances. 36.03% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 22.83%. 63.97% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 13.43%. Rain is at 62.29% Blizzcon Chances. 63.97% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 70.79%. 36.03% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 47.2%.
Maru vs Patiencein in IEM Katowice round of 16. Maru is at 98.48% Blizzcon Chances. 63.34% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 99.5%. 36.66% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 96.72%. Patience is at 2.54% Blizzcon Chances. 36.66% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 3.72%. 63.34% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 1.86%.
TaeJa vs Darkin in IEM Katowice round of 16. TaeJa is at 23.49% Blizzcon Chances. 48.57% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 31.44%. 51.43% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 15.98%. Dark is at 38.03% Blizzcon Chances. 51.43% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 44.57%. 48.57% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 31.1%.
IEM Katowice Winning Chances Life has a 10.76% chance to win ----going from 99.97% to 100% if they get 1st, or 99.99% if they get 2nd. herO has a 10.42% chance to win ----going from 98.74% to 100% if they get 1st, or 99.99% if they get 2nd. Maru has a 9.98% chance to win ----going from 98.48% to 100% if they get 1st, or 99.9% if they get 2nd. Rain has a 9.64% chance to win ----going from 62.29% to 96.97% if they get 1st, or 77.24% if they get 2nd. INnoVation has a 8.46% chance to win ----going from 78.43% to 98.6% if they get 1st, or 88.06% if they get 2nd. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] +
Trap has a 7.52% chance to win ----going from 21.07% to 50.74% if they get 1st, or 27.48% if they get 2nd. TaeJa has a 6.4% chance to win ----going from 23.49% to 61.29% if they get 1st, or 34.85% if they get 2nd. Hydra has a 6.22% chance to win ----going from 67.92% to 93.43% if they get 1st, or 77.58% if they get 2nd. Dark has a 5.08% chance to win ----going from 38.03% to 83.9% if they get 1st, or 52.27% if they get 2nd. Solar has a 4.7% chance to win ----going from 55.05% to 94.07% if they get 1st, or 73.71% if they get 2nd. Bbyong has a 4.55% chance to win ----going from 16.16% to 51.71% if they get 1st, or 24.06% if they get 2nd. Zest has a 4.3% chance to win ----going from 18.46% to 60.43% if they get 1st, or 30.57% if they get 2nd. Cure has a 3.98% chance to win ----going from 11.4% to 39.9% if they get 1st, or 17.68% if they get 2nd. Flash has a 3.33% chance to win ----going from 6.05% to 31.12% if they get 1st, or 11.75% if they get 2nd. FanTaSy has a 2.82% chance to win ----going from 16.82% to 63.08% if they get 1st, or 28.69% if they get 2nd. Patience has a 1.85% chance to win ----going from 2.54% to 19.08% if they get 1st, or 2.23% if they don't.
On March 04 2015 02:22 Darkhorse wrote: Holy stacked bracket batman. This is one of the craziest 16 person player pools we have ever seen. It's basically a GSL Ro16.
Inno vs Life again lmao. Bbyong/Solar, herO/Cure, Dark/Taeja are my other matchups to watch in the Ro16.
EDIT: Oh what the hell let's talk about all the matchups.
herO vs Cure - Total toss up but I think maybe Cure? Bbyong vs Solar - Bbyong should probably win. His TvZ is excellent and Solar hasn't been in top form. Zest vs Hydra - No offense to Hydra but Zest should probably win 3-0 or 3-1 Inno vs Life - I really dunno. It's a shame these two meet so soon but my fandom says Life wins Trap vs Flash - I think this series will be very close. Both seem to be recovering from slumps, and although Flash gets a lot of flack, I think he is pretty damn good these days. Even so, I'm picking Trap Fantasy vs Rain - EU ladder god or no EU ladder god, Fantasy probably shouldn't beat Rain Maru vs Patience - Patience earned his way into this tournament, but he does feel like the odd man out. Doesn't help that he has to play the best TvPer and probably best Terran in the world right now in Maru. Dark vs Taeja - I have not a single clue what kind of shape Taeja is in right now. If his history in weekend events is anything to go on, I have to believe he'll bring his A game. Dark is a rising star and is one of the hottest Zergs in Korea at the moment, so this one should be super exciting and could go either way. It's hard for me to even pick one to root for. Although I think I want Dark to win slightly more, I will give the edge to Taeja just because of his experience.
Cure vs Bbyong - Cure should win this most likely. Bbyong doesn't look great in TvT and Cure is a jack of all trades. Zest vs Life - Look at Blizzcon baby. Life Trap vs Rain - Complete Toss(heh) up. Trap is really good and how much has Rain declined since joining mYi? dunno. Even still I respect Rain enough to give him the win here. Maru vs Taeja - Criminal that this matchup can't be a grand final. I really have no idea, but I'll go with Maru
Cure vs Life - Probably Life? Rain vs Maru - Should go Maru's way
Maru vs Life finals the dream
There are so many awesome scenarios. Provided herO/Zest/Rain don't win I will probably be happy.
im surprised with life beats inno other than that ro16 is identical, but inno will beat zest, trap should beat rain, taeja i think might beat maru but that match is really close, Cure beats inno, because fuck it, cure prob beats life as well..., taeja should beat trap, Cure beats TaeJa/Trap/Maru
On March 04 2015 03:00 astray71 wrote: I'm still rooting for Taeja. LONG LIVE THE CROWN PRINCE! But goddamn, this lineup. Patience and Fantasy are the underdogs here imo
Bbyong is cursed to be knocked out by a teammate in every tournament he attends.
Difficult to predict such a stacked tournament but I think it will be herO and Life competing for a place in the final in the top half of the bracket, and either Maru or Dark coming through from the lower half, based on recent form. There are a lot of players there that you can't count out though.
On March 04 2015 03:03 Cricketer12 wrote: sOs couldnt make it, and Maru is boring so Cure has been giving the blessing of victory
Was it you or SGTK that cursed players
Hey did i tell you about how Inno will prob win the GSL and Blizzcon? (Im not Artosis level but fuck it, lets see what I can do with my Curse)
That's laughable because Life stands in his way (;
Can't wait for the tears after Lifes double elimination
nor can I, but as for you question it was prob me, i dunno who guitars has cursed, other than I guess Scarlett
Pretty much a lot of players. The best was during CJ vs JAGW in the R1 playoffs, when he wrongly predicted the outcome of the last three or four maps iirc
On March 04 2015 03:03 Cricketer12 wrote: sOs couldnt make it, and Maru is boring so Cure has been giving the blessing of victory
Was it you or SGTK that cursed players
Hey did i tell you about how Inno will prob win the GSL and Blizzcon? (Im not Artosis level but fuck it, lets see what I can do with my Curse)
That's laughable because Life stands in his way (;
Can't wait for the tears after Lifes double elimination
nor can I, but as for you question it was prob me, i dunno who guitars has cursed, other than I guess Scarlett
Pretty much a lot of players. The best was during CJ vs JAGW in the R1 playoffs, when he wrongly predicted the outcome of the last three or four maps iirc
Oh yeah, that was spooky. I think ones he find cute or handsome also get cursed. See Zest.
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
The best players? They can't meet until finals. Innowho?
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
The best players? They can't meet until finals. Innowho?
Rofl you can't mean the player that got beat up by the big boy
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
The best players? They can't meet until finals. Innowho?
Rofl you can't mean the player that got beat up by the big boy
I know he's bad in PL, but I find Solar to be the most likely darkhorse champion. His record in boX series is still excellent against high level players.
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
The best players? They can't meet until finals. Innowho?
Rofl you can't mean the player that got beat up by the big boy
On March 04 2015 03:24 Pontius Pirate wrote: I know he's bad in PL, but I find Solar to be the most likely darkhorse champion. His record in boX series is still excellent against high level players.
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
The best players? They can't meet until finals. Innowho?
Rofl you can't mean the player that got beat up by the big boy
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
The best players? They can't meet until finals. Innowho?
Rofl you can't mean the player that got beat up by the big boy
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
The best players? They can't meet until finals. Innowho?
Rofl you can't mean the player that got beat up by the big boy
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
The best players? They can't meet until finals. Innowho?
Rofl you can't mean the player that got beat up by the big boy
On March 04 2015 03:49 fezvez wrote: That's one of the most stacked lineups I have seen in a long long time. And, no offense to Blizzard, but this is more stacked than Blizzcon
By far. This is the real Blizzcon. Honestly, this should just be a Korean event.
On March 04 2015 01:41 Mikau wrote: Only way this could have been better is if there was one token foreigner there. Nobody can argue that this isn't among the most stacked lineups imaginable but somehow there's usually more hype with the "can Snute/Scarlett/Bunny do well in a stacked tournament?" storyline (even though the answer is almost always 'no (s)he gets 3-0ed in the first round')
Agree, and that's why I'm missing Naniwa, hoping he will get back in full force :-)
On March 04 2015 04:27 invisigoat wrote: Am I the only person wondering what they are going to do about GSL and Starleague scheduling conflicts?
On March 03 2015 04:24 Keeemy wrote: Messioso confirmed that both NSSL/GSL have agreed to reschedule with IEM Katowice, so Life has his chance to win all 3! Oooh yeaaa
(P)herO > (T)Cure: herO is literally on another level right now. Yesterday in Proleague, he literally beat a GSL champion. And before that? He beat an OSL champion and SC2's highest earner. I am not sure herO can be stopped right now. Maybe there will be someone in this tournament who can beat him. That person is probably Life since herO has shown weakness to Life before in the GSL. I think there will be a semifinals between Life and herO, where Life will win 3-0. But herO still had a good run.
(T)Bbyong > (Z)Solar: Well...here we go. Solar is in a slump. That's it. He was Samsung's ace and then he suddenly started to perform not well. Did the fame get to his head? Who knows what happened? To add to this, Bbyong managed to defeat Life yesterday. Life. The best Zerg to ever have touched a mouse and play Starcraft II. If Bbyong can manage to beat a player 20 levels above him, he can beat a player who fell from grace like Solar.
(P)Zest > (Z)Hydra: Although Zest is in a career defining slump that no other player has ever experienced before, Hydra still ditched Korea or America therefore his practice partners are not as good as they can be in his home country. This will probably be one of the closes PvZ series in this game because on one hand, we have a player spiraling down from the top in rapid pace. On the other hand, we have a player who left his own country to try to get some free cash, but will sacrifice better practice partners for this. I will place my words on Zest.
(Z)Life > (T)INnoVation: So, Life lost to Bbyong. The world champion lost to a player who has no championships, but do cause upsets from time to time. I guess since it was a Bo1, he did not care that much. Innovation is still a very great player. He is doing very well these days and had the best Proleague ratio last round. This one will be close and tough for both players, but I think Life and win. But who knows...he lost to Bbyong so this shows that he is vulnerable to Terran. I think that Innovation is better than Life, so we will see how this pans out. But I am still going for Life.
(T)Flash > (P)Trap: Yesterday we saw the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end for pretty much all SC2 players. Yesterday, we saw Flash start his recovery towards dominance. He defeated Byul, a top 5 Zerg player. If anyone saw Flash's game yesterday, you would know what I am talking about. He completely destroyed him. Flash is on the rise and it seems that he can't be stopped. He is on the bottom bracket so I am sure that it will be Flash vs. Life in the finals. After seeing Flash's game vs. Byul, I think he can beat Life in the finals should he reach it. I am not saying that Trap is a bad player, he has not been very active lately so he might beat Flash, but I doubt it. Flash is just too good these days.
(P)Rain > (T)FanTaSy: Both of these players have been pretty quiet. Rain is that solid and safe player that anyone can count on winning. Fantasy is that crazy dropping Terran that wins sometimes. I think Rain can win this one just by defending against Fantasy's multiple drop style. Rain is really good at defense. Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages. Fantasy has not found his calling in SC2 yet.
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
(T)TaeJa < (Z)Dark: Ah Taeja how you have fallen from being to the top, to being a mere good Korean Terran. You did not even make it in GSL and NSL. Dark? Well for a few weeks, he was the best Zerg in the world hands down. He was unstoppable in every single match up, especially ZvT. So, we have not seen much of these players much. The last game we saw from Dark was yesterday vs. Myungsik and he easily won. That does not determine much. Although Dark has not been playing up to his potential these days, he is still good enough to beat a Taeja who has broken wrists and pretty much given up on SC2 because he will do that mandatory Korean military service anyways. But let's hope for good games at least.
I used the WCS Finals bracket template and made one for IEM. I'm sure a wiki guy well yell at me shortly for doing it the way I did or politely fix it. :D
On March 04 2015 01:41 Mikau wrote: Only way this could have been better is if there was one token foreigner there. Nobody can argue that this isn't among the most stacked lineups imaginable but somehow there's usually more hype with the "can Snute/Scarlett/Bunny do well in a stacked tournament?" storyline (even though the answer is almost always 'no (s)he gets 3-0ed in the first round')
Needs more Naniwa!
But yes, holy crap is this bracket stacked *-* Life vs. Innovation already? Jesus.
That is a completely insane lineup. Only Patience looks a bit out of place but even he has potential to pull upsets.
herO > Cure Bbyong > Solar Zest > Hydra INnoVation > Life (I feel like this is the key match. If Life can beat INno I think he goes very very far.) Trap > Flash Rain > Fantasy Maru > Patience Dark > TaeJa
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
TIL reaching IEM Shezhen finals and losing 3-4, reaching NSSL semis and Ro 16 GSL is biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump. Holy fuck, you are harsh man!
On March 04 2015 04:38 BisuDagger wrote: I used the WCS Finals bracket template and made one for IEM. I'm sure a wiki guy well yell at me shortly for doing it the way I did or politely fix it. :D
On March 04 2015 04:38 BisuDagger wrote: I used the WCS Finals bracket template and made one for IEM. I'm sure a wiki guy well yell at me shortly for doing it the way I did or politely fix it. :D
On March 04 2015 04:33 swag_bro wrote: Let's only preview the groups:
(P)herO > (T)Cure: herO is literally on another level right now. Yesterday in Proleague, he literally beat a GSL champion. And before that? He beat an OSL champion and SC2's highest earner. I am not sure herO can be stopped right now. Maybe there will be someone in this tournament who can beat him. That person is probably Life since herO has shown weakness to Life before in the GSL. I think there will be a semifinals between Life and herO, where Life will win 3-0. But herO still had a good run.
(T)Bbyong > (Z)Solar: Well...here we go. Solar is in a slump. That's it. He was Samsung's ace and then he suddenly started to perform not well. Did the fame get to his head? Who knows what happened? To add to this, Bbyong managed to defeat Life yesterday. Life. The best Zerg to ever have touched a mouse and play Starcraft II. If Bbyong can manage to beat a player 20 levels above him, he can beat a player who fell from grace like Solar.
(P)Zest > (Z)Hydra: Although Zest is in a career defining slump that no other player has ever experienced before, Hydra still ditched Korea or America therefore his practice partners are not as good as they can be in his home country. This will probably be one of the closes PvZ series in this game because on one hand, we have a player spiraling down from the top in rapid pace. On the other hand, we have a player who left his own country to try to get some free cash, but will sacrifice better practice partners for this. I will place my words on Zest.
(Z)Life > (T)INnoVation: So, Life lost to Bbyong. The world champion lost to a player who has no championships, but do cause upsets from time to time. I guess since it was a Bo1, he did not care that much. Innovation is still a very great player. He is doing very well these days and had the best Proleague ratio last round. This one will be close and tough for both players, but I think Life and win. But who knows...he lost to Bbyong so this shows that he is vulnerable to Terran. I think that Innovation is better than Life, so we will see how this pans out. But I am still going for Life.
(T)Flash > (P)Trap: Yesterday we saw the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end for pretty much all SC2 players. Yesterday, we saw Flash start his recovery towards dominance. He defeated Byul, a top 5 Zerg player. If anyone saw Flash's game yesterday, you would know what I am talking about. He completely destroyed him. Flash is on the rise and it seems that he can't be stopped. He is on the bottom bracket so I am sure that it will be Flash vs. Life in the finals. After seeing Flash's game vs. Byul, I think he can beat Life in the finals should he reach it. I am not saying that Trap is a bad player, he has not been very active lately so he might beat Flash, but I doubt it. Flash is just too good these days.
(P)Rain > (T)FanTaSy: Both of these players have been pretty quiet. Rain is that solid and safe player that anyone can count on winning. Fantasy is that crazy dropping Terran that wins sometimes. I think Rain can win this one just by defending against Fantasy's multiple drop style. Rain is really good at defense. Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages. Fantasy has not found his calling in SC2 yet.
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
(T)TaeJa < (Z)Dark: Ah Taeja how you have fallen from being to the top, to being a mere good Korean Terran. You did not even make it in GSL and NSL. Dark? Well for a few weeks, he was the best Zerg in the world hands down. He was unstoppable in every single match up, especially ZvT. So, we have not seen much of these players much. The last game we saw from Dark was yesterday vs. Myungsik and he easily won. That does not determine much. Although Dark has not been playing up to his potential these days, he is still good enough to beat a Taeja who has broken wrists and pretty much given up on SC2 because he will do that mandatory Korean military service anyways. But let's hope for good games at least.
On March 04 2015 04:38 BisuDagger wrote: I used the WCS Finals bracket template and made one for IEM. I'm sure a wiki guy well yell at me shortly for doing it the way I did or politely fix it. :D
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and what exactly do you wish to accomplish?
I think he's trying to get a bracket contest started
I wanted to make it so custom brackets are available for everyone so they could post them here. It looks much cleaner with brackets. A contest would be an unintended bonus.
On March 04 2015 04:33 swag_bro wrote: Let's only preview the groups:
(P)herO > (T)Cure: herO is literally on another level right now. Yesterday in Proleague, he literally beat a GSL champion. And before that? He beat an OSL champion and SC2's highest earner. I am not sure herO can be stopped right now. Maybe there will be someone in this tournament who can beat him. That person is probably Life since herO has shown weakness to Life before in the GSL. I think there will be a semifinals between Life and herO, where Life will win 3-0. But herO still had a good run.
(T)Bbyong > (Z)Solar: Well...here we go. Solar is in a slump. That's it. He was Samsung's ace and then he suddenly started to perform not well. Did the fame get to his head? Who knows what happened? To add to this, Bbyong managed to defeat Life yesterday. Life. The best Zerg to ever have touched a mouse and play Starcraft II. If Bbyong can manage to beat a player 20 levels above him, he can beat a player who fell from grace like Solar.
(P)Zest > (Z)Hydra: Although Zest is in a career defining slump that no other player has ever experienced before, Hydra still ditched Korea or America therefore his practice partners are not as good as they can be in his home country. This will probably be one of the closes PvZ series in this game because on one hand, we have a player spiraling down from the top in rapid pace. On the other hand, we have a player who left his own country to try to get some free cash, but will sacrifice better practice partners for this. I will place my words on Zest.
(Z)Life > (T)INnoVation: So, Life lost to Bbyong. The world champion lost to a player who has no championships, but do cause upsets from time to time. I guess since it was a Bo1, he did not care that much. Innovation is still a very great player. He is doing very well these days and had the best Proleague ratio last round. This one will be close and tough for both players, but I think Life and win. But who knows...he lost to Bbyong so this shows that he is vulnerable to Terran. I think that Innovation is better than Life, so we will see how this pans out. But I am still going for Life.
(T)Flash > (P)Trap: Yesterday we saw the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end for pretty much all SC2 players. Yesterday, we saw Flash start his recovery towards dominance. He defeated Byul, a top 5 Zerg player. If anyone saw Flash's game yesterday, you would know what I am talking about. He completely destroyed him. Flash is on the rise and it seems that he can't be stopped. He is on the bottom bracket so I am sure that it will be Flash vs. Life in the finals. After seeing Flash's game vs. Byul, I think he can beat Life in the finals should he reach it. I am not saying that Trap is a bad player, he has not been very active lately so he might beat Flash, but I doubt it. Flash is just too good these days.
(P)Rain > (T)FanTaSy: Both of these players have been pretty quiet. Rain is that solid and safe player that anyone can count on winning. Fantasy is that crazy dropping Terran that wins sometimes. I think Rain can win this one just by defending against Fantasy's multiple drop style. Rain is really good at defense. Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages. Fantasy has not found his calling in SC2 yet.
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
(T)TaeJa < (Z)Dark: Ah Taeja how you have fallen from being to the top, to being a mere good Korean Terran. You did not even make it in GSL and NSL. Dark? Well for a few weeks, he was the best Zerg in the world hands down. He was unstoppable in every single match up, especially ZvT. So, we have not seen much of these players much. The last game we saw from Dark was yesterday vs. Myungsik and he easily won. That does not determine much. Although Dark has not been playing up to his potential these days, he is still good enough to beat a Taeja who has broken wrists and pretty much given up on SC2 because he will do that mandatory Korean military service anyways. But let's hope for good games at least.
On March 04 2015 04:33 swag_bro wrote: Let's only preview the groups:
(P)herO > (T)Cure: herO is literally on another level right now. Yesterday in Proleague, he literally beat a GSL champion. And before that? He beat an OSL champion and SC2's highest earner. I am not sure herO can be stopped right now. Maybe there will be someone in this tournament who can beat him. That person is probably Life since herO has shown weakness to Life before in the GSL. I think there will be a semifinals between Life and herO, where Life will win 3-0. But herO still had a good run.
(T)Bbyong > (Z)Solar: Well...here we go. Solar is in a slump. That's it. He was Samsung's ace and then he suddenly started to perform not well. Did the fame get to his head? Who knows what happened? To add to this, Bbyong managed to defeat Life yesterday. Life. The best Zerg to ever have touched a mouse and play Starcraft II. If Bbyong can manage to beat a player 20 levels above him, he can beat a player who fell from grace like Solar.
(P)Zest > (Z)Hydra: Although Zest is in a career defining slump that no other player has ever experienced before, Hydra still ditched Korea or America therefore his practice partners are not as good as they can be in his home country. This will probably be one of the closes PvZ series in this game because on one hand, we have a player spiraling down from the top in rapid pace. On the other hand, we have a player who left his own country to try to get some free cash, but will sacrifice better practice partners for this. I will place my words on Zest.
(Z)Life > (T)INnoVation: So, Life lost to Bbyong. The world champion lost to a player who has no championships, but do cause upsets from time to time. I guess since it was a Bo1, he did not care that much. Innovation is still a very great player. He is doing very well these days and had the best Proleague ratio last round. This one will be close and tough for both players, but I think Life and win. But who knows...he lost to Bbyong so this shows that he is vulnerable to Terran. I think that Innovation is better than Life, so we will see how this pans out. But I am still going for Life.
(T)Flash > (P)Trap: Yesterday we saw the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end for pretty much all SC2 players. Yesterday, we saw Flash start his recovery towards dominance. He defeated Byul, a top 5 Zerg player. If anyone saw Flash's game yesterday, you would know what I am talking about. He completely destroyed him. Flash is on the rise and it seems that he can't be stopped. He is on the bottom bracket so I am sure that it will be Flash vs. Life in the finals. After seeing Flash's game vs. Byul, I think he can beat Life in the finals should he reach it. I am not saying that Trap is a bad player, he has not been very active lately so he might beat Flash, but I doubt it. Flash is just too good these days.
(P)Rain > (T)FanTaSy: Both of these players have been pretty quiet. Rain is that solid and safe player that anyone can count on winning. Fantasy is that crazy dropping Terran that wins sometimes. I think Rain can win this one just by defending against Fantasy's multiple drop style. Rain is really good at defense. Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages. Fantasy has not found his calling in SC2 yet.
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
(T)TaeJa < (Z)Dark: Ah Taeja how you have fallen from being to the top, to being a mere good Korean Terran. You did not even make it in GSL and NSL. Dark? Well for a few weeks, he was the best Zerg in the world hands down. He was unstoppable in every single match up, especially ZvT. So, we have not seen much of these players much. The last game we saw from Dark was yesterday vs. Myungsik and he easily won. That does not determine much. Although Dark has not been playing up to his potential these days, he is still good enough to beat a Taeja who has broken wrists and pretty much given up on SC2 because he will do that mandatory Korean military service anyways. But let's hope for good games at least.
holy shit swag_bro
his picks are pretty reasonable tbh
yea, i agree with all of them , that was more the length of the post
definitely back in the business, hopefully he doesn't get ban again :D
I'm calling it now. He won't even lose a game. In fact, mid way though game 4, he'll have such a lead that he'll get out of the booth and start hitting on Life's mom (who I'm assuming he'll have in the finals).
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
On March 04 2015 03:18 Blargh wrote: Innovation vs Life..... Why do the two best players keep getting paired against each other at the beginning of the bracket??? :|
but Cure and Dark arent playing each other?
Ok, Artosis.
crap im already being compared to artosis, fuck me
(P)herO > (T)Cure: herO is literally on another level right now. Yesterday in Proleague, he literally beat a GSL champion. And before that? He beat an OSL champion and SC2's highest earner. I am not sure herO can be stopped right now. Maybe there will be someone in this tournament who can beat him. That person is probably Life since herO has shown weakness to Life before in the GSL. I think there will be a semifinals between Life and herO, where Life will win 3-0. But herO still had a good run.
(T)Bbyong > (Z)Solar: Well...here we go. Solar is in a slump. That's it. He was Samsung's ace and then he suddenly started to perform not well. Did the fame get to his head? Who knows what happened? To add to this, Bbyong managed to defeat Life yesterday. Life. The best Zerg to ever have touched a mouse and play Starcraft II. If Bbyong can manage to beat a player 20 levels above him, he can beat a player who fell from grace like Solar.
(P)Zest > (Z)Hydra: Although Zest is in a career defining slump that no other player has ever experienced before, Hydra still ditched Korea or America therefore his practice partners are not as good as they can be in his home country. This will probably be one of the closes PvZ series in this game because on one hand, we have a player spiraling down from the top in rapid pace. On the other hand, we have a player who left his own country to try to get some free cash, but will sacrifice better practice partners for this. I will place my words on Zest.
(Z)Life > (T)INnoVation: So, Life lost to Bbyong. The world champion lost to a player who has no championships, but do cause upsets from time to time. I guess since it was a Bo1, he did not care that much. Innovation is still a very great player. He is doing very well these days and had the best Proleague ratio last round. This one will be close and tough for both players, but I think Life and win. But who knows...he lost to Bbyong so this shows that he is vulnerable to Terran. I think that Innovation is better than Life, so we will see how this pans out. But I am still going for Life.
(T)Flash > (P)Trap: Yesterday we saw the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end for pretty much all SC2 players. Yesterday, we saw Flash start his recovery towards dominance. He defeated Byul, a top 5 Zerg player. If anyone saw Flash's game yesterday, you would know what I am talking about. He completely destroyed him. Flash is on the rise and it seems that he can't be stopped. He is on the bottom bracket so I am sure that it will be Flash vs. Life in the finals. After seeing Flash's game vs. Byul, I think he can beat Life in the finals should he reach it. I am not saying that Trap is a bad player, he has not been very active lately so he might beat Flash, but I doubt it. Flash is just too good these days.
(P)Rain > (T)FanTaSy: Both of these players have been pretty quiet. Rain is that solid and safe player that anyone can count on winning. Fantasy is that crazy dropping Terran that wins sometimes. I think Rain can win this one just by defending against Fantasy's multiple drop style. Rain is really good at defense. Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages. Fantasy has not found his calling in SC2 yet.
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
(T)TaeJa < (Z)Dark: Ah Taeja how you have fallen from being to the top, to being a mere good Korean Terran. You did not even make it in GSL and NSL. Dark? Well for a few weeks, he was the best Zerg in the world hands down. He was unstoppable in every single match up, especially ZvT. So, we have not seen much of these players much. The last game we saw from Dark was yesterday vs. Myungsik and he easily won. That does not determine much. Although Dark has not been playing up to his potential these days, he is still good enough to beat a Taeja who has broken wrists and pretty much given up on SC2 because he will do that mandatory Korean military service anyways. But let's hope for good games at least.
I agree with most of your predictions but I think you put way too much emphasis on bo1s and their most recent games and seemingly ignore others.
hero/cure: herO's form according to aligulac is 30-22. Cure is 52-25.
Bbyong/solar: Solar was only slumping in last round of proleague and still doing decently elsewhere. Plus he beat sOs yesterday. Bbyong beat Life in one game in which Life got caught off guard, don't read too much into it.
Zest/Hydra: Yes Zest is slumping compared to where he was but this is not the biggest slump we have seen and I think he was overrated at his prime anyway based on his play and the metagame at the time. He's still doing okay and being picked as KT ace in proleague. Hydra has been wrecking people, but his opponents are way easier so he's hard to gauge.
Life/Inno: Again, don't read too much into Life losing one game. This could go either way and I'm sure most would agree.
Flash/Trap - Again, one game does not signal a return to top form. Byul definitely made some mistakes, and Flash did as well. Plus why ignore that Trap won both his starting game and the ace match while being picked over Cure in the lineup and over Maru/sOs/Cure for ace? 40-10 form as well which is crazy.
Rain/Fantasy: I agreed until you said "Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages." That OSL was a long time ago and it's not like Fantasy is any stranger to BW finals.
Maru/Patience: Maru's "slump" has lasted since Feb 27. 5 days. His form is still 46-25.
Dark/Taeja: Pretty much agreed but I wouldn't underestimate Taeja by any means. ----------------- Predictions: hero>cure (50/50 imo) bbyong>solar zest>hydra inno>life flash<trap fantasy<rain maru>patience dark>taeja
(P)herO > (T)Cure: herO is literally on another level right now. Yesterday in Proleague, he literally beat a GSL champion. And before that? He beat an OSL champion and SC2's highest earner. I am not sure herO can be stopped right now. Maybe there will be someone in this tournament who can beat him. That person is probably Life since herO has shown weakness to Life before in the GSL. I think there will be a semifinals between Life and herO, where Life will win 3-0. But herO still had a good run.
(T)Bbyong > (Z)Solar: Well...here we go. Solar is in a slump. That's it. He was Samsung's ace and then he suddenly started to perform not well. Did the fame get to his head? Who knows what happened? To add to this, Bbyong managed to defeat Life yesterday. Life. The best Zerg to ever have touched a mouse and play Starcraft II. If Bbyong can manage to beat a player 20 levels above him, he can beat a player who fell from grace like Solar.
(P)Zest > (Z)Hydra: Although Zest is in a career defining slump that no other player has ever experienced before, Hydra still ditched Korea or America therefore his practice partners are not as good as they can be in his home country. This will probably be one of the closes PvZ series in this game because on one hand, we have a player spiraling down from the top in rapid pace. On the other hand, we have a player who left his own country to try to get some free cash, but will sacrifice better practice partners for this. I will place my words on Zest.
(Z)Life > (T)INnoVation: So, Life lost to Bbyong. The world champion lost to a player who has no championships, but do cause upsets from time to time. I guess since it was a Bo1, he did not care that much. Innovation is still a very great player. He is doing very well these days and had the best Proleague ratio last round. This one will be close and tough for both players, but I think Life and win. But who knows...he lost to Bbyong so this shows that he is vulnerable to Terran. I think that Innovation is better than Life, so we will see how this pans out. But I am still going for Life.
(T)Flash > (P)Trap: Yesterday we saw the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end for pretty much all SC2 players. Yesterday, we saw Flash start his recovery towards dominance. He defeated Byul, a top 5 Zerg player. If anyone saw Flash's game yesterday, you would know what I am talking about. He completely destroyed him. Flash is on the rise and it seems that he can't be stopped. He is on the bottom bracket so I am sure that it will be Flash vs. Life in the finals. After seeing Flash's game vs. Byul, I think he can beat Life in the finals should he reach it. I am not saying that Trap is a bad player, he has not been very active lately so he might beat Flash, but I doubt it. Flash is just too good these days.
(P)Rain > (T)FanTaSy: Both of these players have been pretty quiet. Rain is that solid and safe player that anyone can count on winning. Fantasy is that crazy dropping Terran that wins sometimes. I think Rain can win this one just by defending against Fantasy's multiple drop style. Rain is really good at defense. Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages. Fantasy has not found his calling in SC2 yet.
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
(T)TaeJa < (Z)Dark: Ah Taeja how you have fallen from being to the top, to being a mere good Korean Terran. You did not even make it in GSL and NSL. Dark? Well for a few weeks, he was the best Zerg in the world hands down. He was unstoppable in every single match up, especially ZvT. So, we have not seen much of these players much. The last game we saw from Dark was yesterday vs. Myungsik and he easily won. That does not determine much. Although Dark has not been playing up to his potential these days, he is still good enough to beat a Taeja who has broken wrists and pretty much given up on SC2 because he will do that mandatory Korean military service anyways. But let's hope for good games at least.
I agree with most of your predictions but I think you put way too much emphasis on bo1s and their most recent games and seemingly ignore others.
hero/cure: herO's form according to aligulac is 30-22. Cure is 52-25.
Bbyong/solar: Solar was only slumping in last round of proleague and still doing decently elsewhere. Plus he beat sOs yesterday. Bbyong beat Life in one game in which Life got caught off guard, don't read too much into it.
Zest/Hydra: Yes Zest is slumping compared to where he was but this is not the biggest slump we have seen and I think he was overrated at his prime anyway based on his play and the metagame at the time. He's still doing okay and being picked as KT ace in proleague. Hydra has been wrecking people, but his opponents are way easier so he's hard to gauge.
Life/Inno: Again, don't read too much into Life losing one game. This could go either way and I'm sure most would agree.
Flash/Trap - Again, one game does not signal a return to top form. Byul definitely made some mistakes, and Flash did as well. Plus why ignore that Trap won both his starting game and the ace match while being picked over Cure in the lineup and over Maru/sOs/Cure for ace? 40-10 form as well which is crazy.
Rain/Fantasy: I agreed until you said "Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages." That OSL was a long time ago and it's not like Fantasy is any stranger to BW finals.
Maru/Patience: Maru's "slump" has lasted since Feb 27. 5 days. His form is still 46-25.
Dark/Taeja: Pretty much agreed but I wouldn't underestimate Taeja by any means. ----------------- Predictions: hero>cure (50/50 imo) bbyong>solar zest>hydra inno>life flash<trap fantasy<rain maru>patience dark>taeja
(P)herO > (T)Cure: herO is literally on another level right now. Yesterday in Proleague, he literally beat a GSL champion. And before that? He beat an OSL champion and SC2's highest earner. I am not sure herO can be stopped right now. Maybe there will be someone in this tournament who can beat him. That person is probably Life since herO has shown weakness to Life before in the GSL. I think there will be a semifinals between Life and herO, where Life will win 3-0. But herO still had a good run.
(T)Bbyong > (Z)Solar: Well...here we go. Solar is in a slump. That's it. He was Samsung's ace and then he suddenly started to perform not well. Did the fame get to his head? Who knows what happened? To add to this, Bbyong managed to defeat Life yesterday. Life. The best Zerg to ever have touched a mouse and play Starcraft II. If Bbyong can manage to beat a player 20 levels above him, he can beat a player who fell from grace like Solar.
(P)Zest > (Z)Hydra: Although Zest is in a career defining slump that no other player has ever experienced before, Hydra still ditched Korea or America therefore his practice partners are not as good as they can be in his home country. This will probably be one of the closes PvZ series in this game because on one hand, we have a player spiraling down from the top in rapid pace. On the other hand, we have a player who left his own country to try to get some free cash, but will sacrifice better practice partners for this. I will place my words on Zest.
(Z)Life > (T)INnoVation: So, Life lost to Bbyong. The world champion lost to a player who has no championships, but do cause upsets from time to time. I guess since it was a Bo1, he did not care that much. Innovation is still a very great player. He is doing very well these days and had the best Proleague ratio last round. This one will be close and tough for both players, but I think Life and win. But who knows...he lost to Bbyong so this shows that he is vulnerable to Terran. I think that Innovation is better than Life, so we will see how this pans out. But I am still going for Life.
(T)Flash > (P)Trap: Yesterday we saw the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end for pretty much all SC2 players. Yesterday, we saw Flash start his recovery towards dominance. He defeated Byul, a top 5 Zerg player. If anyone saw Flash's game yesterday, you would know what I am talking about. He completely destroyed him. Flash is on the rise and it seems that he can't be stopped. He is on the bottom bracket so I am sure that it will be Flash vs. Life in the finals. After seeing Flash's game vs. Byul, I think he can beat Life in the finals should he reach it. I am not saying that Trap is a bad player, he has not been very active lately so he might beat Flash, but I doubt it. Flash is just too good these days.
(P)Rain > (T)FanTaSy: Both of these players have been pretty quiet. Rain is that solid and safe player that anyone can count on winning. Fantasy is that crazy dropping Terran that wins sometimes. I think Rain can win this one just by defending against Fantasy's multiple drop style. Rain is really good at defense. Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages. Fantasy has not found his calling in SC2 yet.
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
(T)TaeJa < (Z)Dark: Ah Taeja how you have fallen from being to the top, to being a mere good Korean Terran. You did not even make it in GSL and NSL. Dark? Well for a few weeks, he was the best Zerg in the world hands down. He was unstoppable in every single match up, especially ZvT. So, we have not seen much of these players much. The last game we saw from Dark was yesterday vs. Myungsik and he easily won. That does not determine much. Although Dark has not been playing up to his potential these days, he is still good enough to beat a Taeja who has broken wrists and pretty much given up on SC2 because he will do that mandatory Korean military service anyways. But let's hope for good games at least.
I agree with most of your predictions but I think you put way too much emphasis on bo1s and their most recent games and seemingly ignore others.
hero/cure: herO's form according to aligulac is 30-22. Cure is 52-25.
Bbyong/solar: Solar was only slumping in last round of proleague and still doing decently elsewhere. Plus he beat sOs yesterday. Bbyong beat Life in one game in which Life got caught off guard, don't read too much into it.
Zest/Hydra: Yes Zest is slumping compared to where he was but this is not the biggest slump we have seen and I think he was overrated at his prime anyway based on his play and the metagame at the time. He's still doing okay and being picked as KT ace in proleague. Hydra has been wrecking people, but his opponents are way easier so he's hard to gauge.
Life/Inno: Again, don't read too much into Life losing one game. This could go either way and I'm sure most would agree.
Flash/Trap - Again, one game does not signal a return to top form. Byul definitely made some mistakes, and Flash did as well. Plus why ignore that Trap won both his starting game and the ace match while being picked over Cure in the lineup and over Maru/sOs/Cure for ace? 40-10 form as well which is crazy.
Rain/Fantasy: I agreed until you said "Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages." That OSL was a long time ago and it's not like Fantasy is any stranger to BW finals.
Maru/Patience: Maru's "slump" has lasted since Feb 27. 5 days. His form is still 46-25.
Dark/Taeja: Pretty much agreed but I wouldn't underestimate Taeja by any means. ----------------- Predictions: hero>cure (50/50 imo) bbyong>solar zest>hydra inno>life flash<trap fantasy<rain maru>patience dark>taeja
hero>bbyong zest<inno trap>rain maru<dark
hero<inno trap<dark
inno vs dark I can't decide
and some think swag_bro is in a slump
It's okay that I'm getting trolled, I know it. I was hungry and decided to bite. Plus we need some reasoning behind people's predictions more often.
(P)herO > (T)Cure: herO is literally on another level right now. Yesterday in Proleague, he literally beat a GSL champion. And before that? He beat an OSL champion and SC2's highest earner. I am not sure herO can be stopped right now. Maybe there will be someone in this tournament who can beat him. That person is probably Life since herO has shown weakness to Life before in the GSL. I think there will be a semifinals between Life and herO, where Life will win 3-0. But herO still had a good run.
(T)Bbyong > (Z)Solar: Well...here we go. Solar is in a slump. That's it. He was Samsung's ace and then he suddenly started to perform not well. Did the fame get to his head? Who knows what happened? To add to this, Bbyong managed to defeat Life yesterday. Life. The best Zerg to ever have touched a mouse and play Starcraft II. If Bbyong can manage to beat a player 20 levels above him, he can beat a player who fell from grace like Solar.
(P)Zest > (Z)Hydra: Although Zest is in a career defining slump that no other player has ever experienced before, Hydra still ditched Korea or America therefore his practice partners are not as good as they can be in his home country. This will probably be one of the closes PvZ series in this game because on one hand, we have a player spiraling down from the top in rapid pace. On the other hand, we have a player who left his own country to try to get some free cash, but will sacrifice better practice partners for this. I will place my words on Zest.
(Z)Life > (T)INnoVation: So, Life lost to Bbyong. The world champion lost to a player who has no championships, but do cause upsets from time to time. I guess since it was a Bo1, he did not care that much. Innovation is still a very great player. He is doing very well these days and had the best Proleague ratio last round. This one will be close and tough for both players, but I think Life and win. But who knows...he lost to Bbyong so this shows that he is vulnerable to Terran. I think that Innovation is better than Life, so we will see how this pans out. But I am still going for Life.
(T)Flash > (P)Trap: Yesterday we saw the beginning of the end. The beginning of the end for pretty much all SC2 players. Yesterday, we saw Flash start his recovery towards dominance. He defeated Byul, a top 5 Zerg player. If anyone saw Flash's game yesterday, you would know what I am talking about. He completely destroyed him. Flash is on the rise and it seems that he can't be stopped. He is on the bottom bracket so I am sure that it will be Flash vs. Life in the finals. After seeing Flash's game vs. Byul, I think he can beat Life in the finals should he reach it. I am not saying that Trap is a bad player, he has not been very active lately so he might beat Flash, but I doubt it. Flash is just too good these days.
(P)Rain > (T)FanTaSy: Both of these players have been pretty quiet. Rain is that solid and safe player that anyone can count on winning. Fantasy is that crazy dropping Terran that wins sometimes. I think Rain can win this one just by defending against Fantasy's multiple drop style. Rain is really good at defense. Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages. Fantasy has not found his calling in SC2 yet.
(T)Maru > (P)Patience: Yes Maru is in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig slump right now. He lost to Parting, herO and the ever slumping Dear. But all of those players are champions on big stages, so the losses are kind of understandable, even for the former best Terran in the world like Maru. Patience has been quiet, and like all quiet players, may cause an upset, but I am sure that Maru will win without dropping a set.
(T)TaeJa < (Z)Dark: Ah Taeja how you have fallen from being to the top, to being a mere good Korean Terran. You did not even make it in GSL and NSL. Dark? Well for a few weeks, he was the best Zerg in the world hands down. He was unstoppable in every single match up, especially ZvT. So, we have not seen much of these players much. The last game we saw from Dark was yesterday vs. Myungsik and he easily won. That does not determine much. Although Dark has not been playing up to his potential these days, he is still good enough to beat a Taeja who has broken wrists and pretty much given up on SC2 because he will do that mandatory Korean military service anyways. But let's hope for good games at least.
I agree with most of your predictions but I think you put way too much emphasis on bo1s and their most recent games and seemingly ignore others.
hero/cure: herO's form according to aligulac is 30-22. Cure is 52-25.
Bbyong/solar: Solar was only slumping in last round of proleague and still doing decently elsewhere. Plus he beat sOs yesterday. Bbyong beat Life in one game in which Life got caught off guard, don't read too much into it.
Zest/Hydra: Yes Zest is slumping compared to where he was but this is not the biggest slump we have seen and I think he was overrated at his prime anyway based on his play and the metagame at the time. He's still doing okay and being picked as KT ace in proleague. Hydra has been wrecking people, but his opponents are way easier so he's hard to gauge.
Life/Inno: Again, don't read too much into Life losing one game. This could go either way and I'm sure most would agree.
Flash/Trap - Again, one game does not signal a return to top form. Byul definitely made some mistakes, and Flash did as well. Plus why ignore that Trap won both his starting game and the ace match while being picked over Cure in the lineup and over Maru/sOs/Cure for ace? 40-10 form as well which is crazy.
Rain/Fantasy: I agreed until you said "Rain is an OSL champion and knows what it takes to win on the big stages." That OSL was a long time ago and it's not like Fantasy is any stranger to BW finals.
Maru/Patience: Maru's "slump" has lasted since Feb 27. 5 days. His form is still 46-25.
Dark/Taeja: Pretty much agreed but I wouldn't underestimate Taeja by any means. ----------------- Predictions: hero>cure (50/50 imo) bbyong>solar zest>hydra inno>life flash<trap fantasy<rain maru>patience dark>taeja
hero>bbyong zest<inno trap>rain maru<dark
hero<inno trap<dark
inno vs dark I can't decide
you put way too much effort into getting swag_bro'd
On March 04 2015 08:33 Advantageous wrote: isnt it obvious who's going to b #1?... Taeja duh...
No way Taeja is winning this, he looks really mediocre these days tbh
I don't think he'll go all the way, but Taeja is one of those guys who you should never count out at this point. Especially at a foreign event. He looked out of it last IEM WC and then suddenly god-moded Life into oblivion. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he knocks out Dark.
On March 04 2015 08:19 travis wrote: this is the most stacked tournament ever, what the shit
I think you might actually be right. Having a hard time thinking of an event more stacked than this one relative to the era. Winter MLG 2013, Iron Squid II, and IPL 4-6 (if 6 actually happened) are the only ones I think compete.
Pretty much the best Terrans are here, except for Bomber and MMA.
Best Protoss players minus PartinG and sOs.
Zerg looks a little weak. I would complain, but I'm a member of the manliest race. I think only Life makes it deep out of that bunch and even he has drawn one of the top picks to win in the first round :/
I don't know how to feel about Trap vs Flash. On one hand, this is the protoss that came out of the shadows to 6-0 polt at MLG. On the other hand it looks like Flash may be regaining his god status.
On March 04 2015 03:49 fezvez wrote: That's one of the most stacked lineups I have seen in a long long time. And, no offense to Blizzard, but this is more stacked than Blizzcon
By far. This is the real Blizzcon. Honestly, this should just be a Korean event.
Honestly, Snute was between mid and top tier Korean zerg level last year. He could have been at Blizzcon and I would not have been mad. He's probably more mid tier level today though
On March 04 2015 08:33 Advantageous wrote: isnt it obvious who's going to b #1?... Taeja duh...
No way Taeja is winning this, he looks really mediocre these days tbh
I don't think he'll go all the way, but Taeja is one of those guys who you should never count out at this point. Especially at a foreign event. He looked out of it last IEM WC and then suddenly god-moded Life into oblivion. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he knocks out Dark.
On March 04 2015 08:19 travis wrote: this is the most stacked tournament ever, what the shit
I think you might actually be right. Having a hard time thinking of an event more stacked than this one relative to the era. Winter MLG 2013, Iron Squid II, and IPL 4-6 (if 6 actually happened) are the only ones I think compete.
Pretty much the best Terrans are here, except for Bomber and MMA.
Best Protoss players minus PartinG and sOs.
Zerg looks a little weak. I would complain, but I'm a member of the manliest race. I think only Life makes it deep out of that bunch and even he has drawn one of the top picks to win in the first round :/
You can argue this is the most stacked, but I think the last two Blizzcons compare, as well as Dreamhack Winter 2014. Heck even last year's IEM WC. Just taking IEM WC 2014 as an example, it's true no one thought Oz, jjakji or Revival were the best players in the world but you can say the same for Patience, Hydra and FanTaSy.
Or reaching back a little bit for stacked tournaments how about Blizzard Cup 2012? Mvp, DongRaeGu, Leenock, Life, PartinG, Rain, viOLet, Sniper, Seed, HerO. At that time that was a pretty stacked lineup.
On March 04 2015 09:29 DuduSC wrote: What are you guys thinking? Taeja will get crushed by Dark.
I'm making the assumption that Taeja will be in form. If he is, that's going to be a good series. Both are very macro-oriented players.
Advantage to Taeja given his past and ZvT being tough these days.
Agreed. Everyone thought soO would eat TaeJa alive at Blizzcon too, but that sure didn't happen. And vT was soO's strongest matchup too. Besides, everyone knows TaeJa is T1's weakness.
herO > Cure cuz herO has epic vT Bbyong > Solar With how bbyong played against Life in SPL ,and how his vZ is, I have to give it to Bbyong Zest > Hydra You cannot be fully clean unless you are Zestfully clean. INnoVation < Life INnoVation will win in GSL, so Life CAN win here Flash < Trap Cuz Flash sucks, and Trap is AWESOME!!!!! FanTasy < Rain (EX-SKT teamkill) First of all, RAIN!!!! also, cuz Fantasy is bad at vP MU Maru > Patience Cuz, Maru, no need to say more. Dark < TaeJa Taeja will show the Dark that he can still win while being the underdog.
herO > Bbyong Cuz herO beats bbyong in BOX< 3 every single time Zest > Life Zest gets revenge from Life at Blizzcon. Trap < [b]Rain Rain mauls Trap again like he did in the finals of Pughcraft. [b]Maru < TaeJa Taeja rekts Maru in TvT
herO < Zest Zest gets revenge on herO for Proleague Rain > TaeJa Rain gets revenge on Taeja (for WCS 2013 Season 2 finals) Zest < Rain Rain defies expectations and mauls Zest and wins.
I BECOME A HAPPY MAN (I'm cool with Trap/Zest winning too tbh)
Note: Zest shows the world that he is still strong, he defeats Life and herO (cuz Hydra is easy meat), only to be defeated by Rain. Rain wins the tournament without dropping a single map, (one can dream right?)
herO[jOin] > Cure *I would give Cure against any Protoss... except herO Bbyong > Solar *Pretty close, I just went with the Terran Zest > Hydra Life > INnoVation *Wowww I dunno man Trap > Flash *Flash seems to be recovering, but Trap is on fire Rain > FanTaSy Maru > Patience Dark > TaeJa *We know TaeJa is a different beast in short tournaments, but Dark should still be too much
herO[jOin] > Bbyong *BByong is 5-11 in head-to-head against herO ouch Life > Zest *Zest is my favourite player, but he's in horrible form Rain > Trap *I'll assume the post-Kespa decline hasn't kick-in yet Maru > Dark *Another hard one... I'll go with the Terran again
herO[jOin] > Life *I remembered herO crushed Life easily in the first BoX in the SSL group stages, before losing to ling run-bys in the second BoX. I expect him to learned his lesson Maru > Rain *Another hard one... I'll go with the Terran again
herO[jOin] > Maru *Best PvT in the world... beat Maru pretty handily just recently too. Thank god it isn't winner take all this time, if herO loses this one I fear for his sanity
On March 04 2015 01:36 Zealously wrote: This bracket is pretty good for Life. Would be really fun to see him in the finals against either Maru again or Fantasy/Taeja
On March 04 2015 15:42 elwoodng wrote: herO[jOin] > Cure *I would give Cure against any Protoss... except herO Bbyong > Solar *Pretty close, I just went with the Terran Zest > Hydra Life > INnoVation *Wowww I dunno man Trap > Flash *Flash seems to be recovering, but Trap is on fire Rain > FanTaSy Maru > Patience Dark > TaeJa *We know TaeJa is a different beast in short tournaments, but Dark should still be too much
herO[jOin] > Bbyong *BByong is 5-11 in head-to-head against herO ouch Life > Zest *Zest is my favourite player, but he's in horrible form Rain > Trap *I'll assume the post-Kespa decline hasn't kick-in yet Maru > Dark *Another hard one... I'll go with the Terran again
herO[jOin] > Life *I remembered herO crushed Life easily in the first BoX in the SSL group stages, before losing to ling run-bys in the second BoX. I expect him to learned his lesson Maru > Rain *Another hard one... I'll go with the Terran again
herO[jOin] > Maru *Best PvT in the world... beat Maru pretty handily just recently too. Thank god it isn't winner take all this time, if herO loses this one I fear for his sanity
Exactly the same as my predictions, but with Innovation over Life .
On March 04 2015 15:42 elwoodng wrote: herO[jOin] > Cure *I would give Cure against any Protoss... except herO Bbyong > Solar *Pretty close, I just went with the Terran Zest > Hydra Life > INnoVation *Wowww I dunno man Trap > Flash *Flash seems to be recovering, but Trap is on fire Rain > FanTaSy Maru > Patience Dark > TaeJa *We know TaeJa is a different beast in short tournaments, but Dark should still be too much
herO[jOin] > Bbyong *BByong is 5-11 in head-to-head against herO ouch Life > Zest *Zest is my favourite player, but he's in horrible form Rain > Trap *I'll assume the post-Kespa decline hasn't kick-in yet Maru > Dark *Another hard one... I'll go with the Terran again
herO[jOin] > Life *I remembered herO crushed Life easily in the first BoX in the SSL group stages, before losing to ling run-bys in the second BoX. I expect him to learned his lesson Maru > Rain *Another hard one... I'll go with the Terran again
herO[jOin] > Maru *Best PvT in the world... beat Maru pretty handily just recently too. Thank god it isn't winner take all this time, if herO loses this one I fear for his sanity
Remember how herO learned the lesson about proxy gates in his base?
I would love it if tournaments like this would seed the players "properly". It just is kinda meh when 2 of the best players in the world meet in the first round That's maybe just me, but Life vs Innovation shouldn't really be possible before the semis (maybe even finals)
On March 05 2015 02:15 The_Red_Viper wrote: I would love it if tournaments like this would seed the players "properly". It just is kinda meh when 2 of the best players in the world meet in the first round That's maybe just me, but Life vs Innovation shouldn't really be possible before the semis (maybe even finals)
Agreed, kind of like that string of tournaments where polt and Scarlett just happened to meet in the first round 3 times. Like yeh rivalries are cool.but they shouldn't be forced upon us by making the rivals meet in r1 , then all the hype fizzles when one of them is knocked out.
On March 05 2015 02:15 The_Red_Viper wrote: I would love it if tournaments like this would seed the players "properly". It just is kinda meh when 2 of the best players in the world meet in the first round That's maybe just me, but Life vs Innovation shouldn't really be possible before the semis (maybe even finals)
I don't know man, almost whoever Life would meet it would be "one of the best players in the world". The bracket is so stacked it doesn't even matter, if the other participants were players like Pet, eMotion, Center and so on then I would agree. The other players are the likes of Maru, herO, Cure, Zest, Rain, Dark, Solar and Bbyong. The ranking of these players are pretty subjective to say the least. Best of Inno, herO and Maru is really impossible to say at the moment.
Seeding players of this caliber would just be waaay too subjective, they are basically championlevel all of them.
Sure, it might not be 100% objective, but i am sure it would be possible to have a pretty good seeding if you would try it. Just ask X "experts" to rank them 1-16, give points for each place and look at the end results. I think it would be pretty good.
In a perfect world the wcs ranking would be exactly that.
On March 05 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure, it might not be 100% objective, but i am sure it would be possible to have a pretty good seeding if you would try it. Just ask X "experts" to rank them 1-16, give points for each place and look at the end results. I think it would be pretty good.
In a perfect world the wcs ranking would be exactly that.
We should test this theory here. Try and pick ten members who you have seen show little to no bias and ask them to rank the players if they have time. Hopefully a few will do so and we will get to see how similar the rankings are. I'm definitely curious how this would turn out. Hopefully it won't be like the NCAA where the SEC has so much clout.
Any particular reason why ro16 can't be group play? That would solve the seeding problem and players wouldn't have to fly to the other side of the world for one bo5. I think even a losers' bracket would be acceptable at this level...
On March 05 2015 12:20 rotta wrote: Any particular reason why ro16 can't be group play? That would solve the seeding problem and players wouldn't have to fly to the other side of the world for one bo5. I think even a losers' bracket would be acceptable at this level...
No reason has been given, but it was the same last year in Katowice. Before 2014, when the final event was in Hanover at CeBIT they had 5 days to work with but last year it was only 3 and now it is 4 days. Although, in Hanover they've had 24 players while in Katowice there are 16.
The amount of time affects the format they can use, but 4 days with 16 players would normally be enough to have a group stage. However, I think they want to broadcast every single match, which limits the options quite a bit, but still there should be room for one group stage played in two days.
I guess they just like the single elimination format, which is very easy to follow and makes each match exciting as someone is always about to drop out. Still, single elimination is fine for finding a single champion like last year (winner takes it all), but it does not accurately rank the players in spots 2-16. Sure, neither would a single elimination with 8 players after a group stage, but groups+playoffs would still produce a more precise final ranking. Not to mention the "bracket luck" the straight playoffs includes.
Anyway, ESL has its reasons but some words from them to explain the thinking behind the format would be nice. The 2014 tournament was special as it was the "one time only" winner takes it all tournament, and as the upcoming event does pay out to the all 16 players, apparently they still adopted the format from the special case.
Every season the IEM was one of the hardest tournaments to win all year. In 2014 we would like to take it to a new level of extreme. True champions are born when they express their talent in the most extreme situations. We wanted to create the most high-pressure tournament this audience has ever seen.
On March 05 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure, it might not be 100% objective, but i am sure it would be possible to have a pretty good seeding if you would try it. Just ask X "experts" to rank them 1-16, give points for each place and look at the end results. I think it would be pretty good.
In a perfect world the wcs ranking would be exactly that.
Ok so i actually wanna try this. Anybody who thinks he knows enough about this can pm me with the list. Rank the players from 1-16. First will get 16 points, etc. If there are enough lists (i will do one too) i will post the end results in this thread as well.
On March 05 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure, it might not be 100% objective, but i am sure it would be possible to have a pretty good seeding if you would try it. Just ask X "experts" to rank them 1-16, give points for each place and look at the end results. I think it would be pretty good.
In a perfect world the wcs ranking would be exactly that.
Ok so i actually wanna try this. Anybody who thinks he knows enough about this can pm me with the list. Rank the players from 1-16. First will get 16 points, etc. If there are enough lists (i will do one too) i will post the end results in this thread as well.
I assume the rules mentioned in the topic do not apply.
Seeds 1-4 - The four Intel Extreme Masters Season 9 winners Seeds 5-8 - The four Intel Extreme Masters Season 9 runners-up Seeds 9-14 - The six players that went through the online qualifier without a loss Seeds 15-16 - The two players that won the third place deciders in the Korean and European online qualifiers
The top seed will play seed 16, seed 2 will play seed 15 and so on and so forth in this pattern until all seeds are paired. The only restriction in place was that no Season 9 Intel Extreme Masters winner could meet his respective final opponent before the grand final of this grid.
To continue the quote's explanation, the seeds are placed into the bracket like this: + Show Spoiler +
1 vs 16 9 vs 8
4 vs 13 12 vs 5
2 vs 15 10 vs 7
3 vs 14 11 vs 6
.
If those rules won't apply, then Life and INnoVation will not meet at Ro16 because most would seed both of them in top8 at least (meaning they could meet on Ro8 the earliest).
On March 05 2015 03:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure, it might not be 100% objective, but i am sure it would be possible to have a pretty good seeding if you would try it. Just ask X "experts" to rank them 1-16, give points for each place and look at the end results. I think it would be pretty good.
In a perfect world the wcs ranking would be exactly that.
Ok so i actually wanna try this. Anybody who thinks he knows enough about this can pm me with the list. Rank the players from 1-16. First will get 16 points, etc. If there are enough lists (i will do one too) i will post the end results in this thread as well.
I assume the rules mentioned in the topic do not apply.
Seeds 1-4 - The four Intel Extreme Masters Season 9 winners Seeds 5-8 - The four Intel Extreme Masters Season 9 runners-up Seeds 9-14 - The six players that went through the online qualifier without a loss Seeds 15-16 - The two players that won the third place deciders in the Korean and European online qualifiers
The top seed will play seed 16, seed 2 will play seed 15 and so on and so forth in this pattern until all seeds are paired. The only restriction in place was that no Season 9 Intel Extreme Masters winner could meet his respective final opponent before the grand final of this grid.
To continue the quote's explanation, the seeds are placed into the bracket like this: + Show Spoiler +
1 vs 16 9 vs 8
4 vs 13 12 vs 5
2 vs 15 10 vs 7
3 vs 14 11 vs 6
.
If those rules won't apply, then Life and INnoVation will not meet at Ro16 because most would seed both of them in top8 at least (meaning they could meet on Ro8 the earliest).
I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
I would like to have lists from people who think they can rate the players at leats somewhat objectively. 1-16, every place gets points and at the end we will hopefully have an pretty objective list. As i said before, in a perfect world the wcs system would already be the perfect seeding system, IF all players would be able to play in every tournament, etc. But cause that isn't really the case i think "experts" doing the seeding wouldn't be that bad either. So again, if you think you are able to produce a 1-16 list for this event, just pm me and i will collet the results and post them here if i get enough data (so far i got one )
not sure what you are trying to accomplish here Viper... Letting humans, which are biased by nature, decide the seeding of a tournament will never guarantee a fair result. Using an arbitrary seeding is perhaps unfair skillwise and uninteresting for the viewers, but at least it doesn't give any player any advantage because he is liked more than the others.
Ofc the human made seeding can produce amazing matches and thus help viewership tho
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
having not really followed sc2 too closely for a while now this looks really dumb to me tbh. you're gonna fly out 16 people from the same city all the way across the world to play out their tournament? just seems kinda silly
On March 05 2015 12:20 rotta wrote: Any particular reason why ro16 can't be group play? That would solve the seeding problem and players wouldn't have to fly to the other side of the world for one bo5. I think even a losers' bracket would be acceptable at this level...
Hey, they get 1000$ just for SHOWING UP lol, 2000 extra bones if they win that first BO5. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me !!
Group play is boring; single elimination every match counts exciting.
On March 05 2015 12:20 rotta wrote: Any particular reason why ro16 can't be group play? That would solve the seeding problem and players wouldn't have to fly to the other side of the world for one bo5. I think even a losers' bracket would be acceptable at this level...
Hey, they get 1000$ just for SHOWING UP lol, 2000 extra bones if they win that first BO5. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me !!
Group play is boring; single elimination every match counts exciting.
I also think this brings much more hype! Yeah, it sucks to be out after one bo5 but it also allows players time to prepare for their first opponent (and not have to set up for a whole group) while also knowing who they might face later on.
On March 05 2015 12:20 rotta wrote: Any particular reason why ro16 can't be group play? That would solve the seeding problem and players wouldn't have to fly to the other side of the world for one bo5. I think even a losers' bracket would be acceptable at this level...
Hey, they get 1000$ just for SHOWING UP lol, 2000 extra bones if they win that first BO5. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me !!
Group play is boring; single elimination every match counts exciting.
I also think this brings much more hype! Yeah, it sucks to be out after one bo5 but it also allows players time to prepare for their first opponent (and not have to set up for a whole group) while also knowing who they might face later on.
viewers win, players get money (cmon they ALL love money). everyone wins why peeps complaining :<
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
On March 06 2015 04:20 Silvana wrote: not sure what you are trying to accomplish here Viper... Letting humans, which are biased by nature, decide the seeding of a tournament will never guarantee a fair result. Using an arbitrary seeding is perhaps unfair skillwise and uninteresting for the viewers, but at least it doesn't give any player any advantage because he is liked more than the others.
Ofc the human made seeding can produce amazing matches and thus help viewership tho
Well as i said before, i think the wcs points should be used for seeding, but in reality this doesn't work cause we have different regions and not every player can actually play in every tournament. So i actually think that "experts" could be reasonable objective to not just vote for players they like I just am kinda sad that we have a very likely finals in the first round. (Life vs Inno) On the other had we have Fantasy vs Rain or Zest vs Hydra (it hurts to say, but Zest is probably not a big favorite..)
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
I wouldn't call it a "joke side", but it is pretty clear that one side is stronger than the other overall. But yeah i guess people don't really look at it like that :D
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
lol.
herO, Innovation, Life, Zest - You have the top4 players of 2014 in one side of the bracket.
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
lol.
herO, Innovation, Life, Zest - You have the top4 players of 2014 in one side of the bracket.
it's 2015 now I would add that the bracket is done to know the best IEM player, not the best player in the world. You have the WCS Global Finals for this
On March 06 2015 04:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean their seeds are kinda arbitrary. Why do you get the first seed only cause you won THAT one tournament, etc.
uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
lol.
herO, Innovation, Life, Zest - You have the top4 players of 2014 in one side of the bracket.
it's 2015 now I would add that the bracket is done to know the best IEM player, not the best player in the world. You have the WCS Global Finals for this
If IEM had at least used their internal rankings... You can't tell me that Flash is rated higher than Life in IEM...
On March 06 2015 04:23 Yhamm wrote: [quote] uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
lol.
herO, Innovation, Life, Zest - You have the top4 players of 2014 in one side of the bracket.
it's 2015 now I would add that the bracket is done to know the best IEM player, not the best player in the world. You have the WCS Global Finals for this
If IEM had at least used their internal rankings... You can't tell me that Flash is rated higher than Life in IEM...
and he's not rated higher in IEM, they have the same seed I have no idea why I'm continuing this pointless discussion
I mean, if I had to choose IEM's first seeded player, I'd go with CJ herO who has won more IEMs total than anyone else and was runner-up of last year's World Championship. Then it's between TaeJa and Life who both won an IEM and both took 3rd/4th in Toronto, so you'd seed TaeJa higher for doing better than Life in the previous IEM World Championship. Then Life over Flash because Flash only placed high in Toronto. And then you'd proceed in a similar manner for everyone else I guess. And INnoVation gets seeded lower because he cancelled his participation for Taipei, which is why he plays Life. The conspiracy is on <.<
On March 06 2015 05:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: [quote] Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
lol.
herO, Innovation, Life, Zest - You have the top4 players of 2014 in one side of the bracket.
it's 2015 now I would add that the bracket is done to know the best IEM player, not the best player in the world. You have the WCS Global Finals for this
If IEM had at least used their internal rankings... You can't tell me that Flash is rated higher than Life in IEM...
and he's not rated higher in IEM, they have the same seed I have no idea why I'm continuing this pointless discussion
Two persons can not have the same seed... Seed is singular, it is impossible for one person to have the same seed.
They clearly had to assign #1 to someone and #2 to someone and #3 to someone and #4 to someone. (out of the four winners)
On March 06 2015 06:10 Elentos wrote: I mean, if I had to choose IEM's first seeded player, I'd go with CJ herO who has won more IEMs total than anyone else and was runner-up of last year's World Championship. Then it's between TaeJa and Life who both won an IEM and both took 3rd/4th in Toronto, so you'd seed TaeJa higher for doing better than Life in the previous IEM World Championship. Then Life over Flash because Flash only placed high in Toronto. And then you'd proceed in a similar manner for everyone else I guess. And INnoVation gets seeded lower because he cancelled his participation for Taipei, which is why he plays Life. The conspiracy is on <.<
Exactly. Life and herO should never ever be on the same side of the bracket.
On March 06 2015 05:27 Yhamm wrote: [quote] There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
lol.
herO, Innovation, Life, Zest - You have the top4 players of 2014 in one side of the bracket.
it's 2015 now I would add that the bracket is done to know the best IEM player, not the best player in the world. You have the WCS Global Finals for this
If IEM had at least used their internal rankings... You can't tell me that Flash is rated higher than Life in IEM...
and he's not rated higher in IEM, they have the same seed I have no idea why I'm continuing this pointless discussion
Two persons can not have the same seed... Seed is singular, it is impossible for one person to have the same seed.
They clearly had to assign #1 to someone and #2 to someone and #3 to someone and #4 to someone. (out of the four winners)
On March 06 2015 06:10 Elentos wrote: I mean, if I had to choose IEM's first seeded player, I'd go with CJ herO who has won more IEMs total than anyone else and was runner-up of last year's World Championship. Then it's between TaeJa and Life who both won an IEM and both took 3rd/4th in Toronto, so you'd seed TaeJa higher for doing better than Life in the previous IEM World Championship. Then Life over Flash because Flash only placed high in Toronto. And then you'd proceed in a similar manner for everyone else I guess. And INnoVation gets seeded lower because he cancelled his participation for Taipei, which is why he plays Life. The conspiracy is on <.<
Exactly. Life and herO should never ever be on the same side of the bracket.
They went with 1st and 3rd/2nd and 4th on the same side of the bracket because they didn't want any IEM final rematches to happen before the actual finals. If they went with 1st/4th and 2nd/3rd that'd have been harder. They didn't want TaeJa and Solar, Flash and Zest, herO and Rain or Life and Maru on the same side of the bracket. That'd be a bitch to do.
EDIT: Actually nevermind wouldn't be that difficult. I guess they felt like it?
On March 06 2015 04:23 Yhamm wrote: [quote] uh, because Katowice is the season final, so it's prerty normal to seed player who won tournaments of this season...
Nah you don't understand my point. How do they determine who get's the first seed? The first seed should be the best.
There is no first seed, there is a 1-4 where the 4 players got the same "value"
Which isn't true since one side got the horror side and one side got the the joke side...
what does that even mean?
that the two sides of the bracket are not even and that is Red Viper's point. Brackets should be well balanced.
lol.
herO, Innovation, Life, Zest - You have the top4 players of 2014 in one side of the bracket.
it's 2015 now I would add that the bracket is done to know the best IEM player, not the best player in the world. You have the WCS Global Finals for this
If IEM had at least used their internal rankings... You can't tell me that Flash is rated higher than Life in IEM...
He did get 1st place over Zest at IEM Toronto
Bracket design appears to be
San Jose 1st | Shenzen 2nd
Toronto 2nd | Tiapei 1st.
Toronto 1st | San Jose 2nd
Tiapei 2nd | Shenzen 1st
Sure some of the previous winners have possibly started slumping since they first qualified, but they're no doubt practicing very hard at the moment. The biggest problem is Life vs Innovation in the first round which mainly due to Innovation forfeiting IEM Tiapei to qualify online as well as a bit of bad luck.
On March 06 2015 06:49 hborrgg wrote: Online qualifier locations added:
San Jose 1st EU 3rd | Shenzen 2nd AM
Toronto 2nd EU | Tiapei 1st KR
Toronto 1st AM | San Jose 2nd EU
Tiapei 2nd KR | Shenzen 1st KR 3rd
Yeah, the seeding for those seems a bit random, they probably needed to weight the KR qualifiers a bit more.
I agree, I think the Korean qualifiers should be weighted more and give higher seeds, EU and NA should be treated equal. Seeding would be:
1. herO 2. TaeJa 3. Life 4. Flash 5. Maru 6. Rain 7. Zest 8. Solar 9. INnoVation 10. Patience 11. NA/EU player with least map losses (Trap or Hydra) 12. NA/EU player with 2nd least map losses (Hydra or Trap) 13. NA/EU player with 3rd least map losses (Bbyong) 14. NA/EU player with 4th least map losses (Fantasy) 15. KR 3rd place qualifier 16. EU 3rd place qualifier
I arranged 5-8 by the recency of their 2nd place finish at an IEM.
I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even".
On March 06 2015 07:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even".
Why do you think seeds make no sense? Wouldn't it be nice to have a higher chance of getting the best semis/finals possible? I am not sure about tennis, but i think they do it like that? Would be nice if someone with more tennis experience could explain it.
On March 06 2015 07:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even".
If I can find a system to easily seed the 4 winners, so can they. Really, seeding herO and TaeJa 1st and 2nd for their overall IEM success would be obvious and they are the highest seeded players. On the other side, INnoVation is one of the top 5 players in the world right now and Trap is on a roll, and the two of them get seeded lower than Patience, Hydra, Bbyong and Fantasy. This means top 4 seeded players Life and Flash get stronger opponents than seeds 5-8. This isn't inherently unfair, but it's unfortunate because it causes matches like Life vs INnoVation which might as well be the grand finals to take place in round 1.
The only way in which the order of the first 4 seeds matters is that the top two get to play the people who qualified in first place. The top two seeds have been given to herO and Taeja which, as has been discussed, is probably fair (even if it was random and a coincidence). Overall it seems fine to me.
On March 06 2015 07:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even".
If I can find a system to easily seed the 4 winners, so can they. Really, seeding herO and TaeJa 1st and 2nd for their overall IEM success would be obvious and they are the highest seeded players. On the other side, INnoVation is one of the top 5 players in the world right now and Trap is on a roll, and the two of them get seeded lower than Patience, Hydra, Bbyong and Fantasy. This means top 4 seeded players Life and Flash get stronger opponents than seeds 5-8. This isn't inherently unfair, but it's unfortunate because it causes matches like Life vs INnoVation which might as well be the grand finals to take place in round 1.
That happens in all competition tho, if you're gonna have a bracket sometimes it might be a little stronger in some places than others. Is it unfortunate? Maybe, but I'd rather have it like this than for them to have some sort of double standard because "they think one player is better" instead of leveling everybody's "chances" so to speak.
On March 06 2015 07:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even".
If I can find a system to easily seed the 4 winners, so can they. Really, seeding herO and TaeJa 1st and 2nd for their overall IEM success would be obvious and they are the highest seeded players. On the other side, INnoVation is one of the top 5 players in the world right now and Trap is on a roll, and the two of them get seeded lower than Patience, Hydra, Bbyong and Fantasy. This means top 4 seeded players Life and Flash get stronger opponents than seeds 5-8. This isn't inherently unfair, but it's unfortunate because it causes matches like Life vs INnoVation which might as well be the grand finals to take place in round 1.
That happens in all competition tho, if you're gonna have a bracket sometimes it might be a little stronger in some places than others. Is it unfortunate? Maybe, but I'd rather have it like this than for them to have some sort of double standard because "they think one player is better" instead of leveling everybody's "chances" so to speak.
It kinda ruins the point of seeding anyone if the 4 lowest seeded players are Cure, Dark, INnoVation and Trap, who are objectively better than several of the players seeded higher (at least right now). They might aswell completely randomise everything at that point and remove the "no previous finalists on the same side of the bracket" constrait IMO.
I get that Trap has been playing well recently, but am very surprised at the amount of people predicting Trap to beat Rain. Rain 4-0'ed Trap in the finals of Pughcraft not too long ago. As long as he doesn't run into any swarm hosts, Rain seems primed to win his matchup.
And there's always this weird thing with Rain where when he's on a rise, and everyone expects him to win, he disappoints and falls slightly short; then when he's not 'hot' at the moment and people are starting to forget him as a favorite, he does better again and reclaims the 'favorite to win x tournament' spot. So for Rain fans (I'm one myself), it's probably a good thing that there aren't many people predicting a Rain win, if history repeats its usual Rain results trend in Katowice next weekend.
Maybe one of them dies to SCV pulls and proxy raxes before they even get to play each other? Shouldn't count on anyone going through in easy mode. All of them had a lot of time to prepare, and all of them are, on their best days, very high level SC2 players.
On March 06 2015 07:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even".
If I can find a system to easily seed the 4 winners, so can they. Really, seeding herO and TaeJa 1st and 2nd for their overall IEM success would be obvious and they are the highest seeded players. On the other side, INnoVation is one of the top 5 players in the world right now and Trap is on a roll, and the two of them get seeded lower than Patience, Hydra, Bbyong and Fantasy. This means top 4 seeded players Life and Flash get stronger opponents than seeds 5-8. This isn't inherently unfair, but it's unfortunate because it causes matches like Life vs INnoVation which might as well be the grand finals to take place in round 1.
That happens in all competition tho, if you're gonna have a bracket sometimes it might be a little stronger in some places than others. Is it unfortunate? Maybe, but I'd rather have it like this than for them to have some sort of double standard because "they think one player is better" instead of leveling everybody's "chances" so to speak.
It kinda ruins the point of seeding anyone if the 4 lowest seeded players are Cure, Dark, INnoVation and Trap, who are objectively better than several of the players seeded higher (at least right now). They might aswell completely randomise everything at that point and remove the "no previous finalists on the same side of the bracket" constrait IMO.
Cure's seeded last because he got 3rd place in a qualifier. Would you seed him above Hydra or Patience, who beat him in the qualifiers? Or Bbyong, who beat Terminator after Terminator beat Cure? That would seem pretty unfair to me. Regardless of how good they are, those players earned a higher seed than Cure.
Even if you make the ro16 a bit more even, there's no reasonable system by which you can stop INnoVation from potentially facing the top seed in the ro8 unless you seed him higher than the actual finalists. As much as I agree that it's a shame to have Life vs Inno in the first round, I can't fault the system they've used too much.
On March 06 2015 07:52 Elentos wrote: Actually this bracket kinda looks like they just went to aligulac and gave everyone a match-up they'd be comfortable with <_<
Hah cause you mention aligulac, i will use it as basis for a theoretical seeding now. Let's see what happens..^^
On March 06 2015 07:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think people are reading into the seeding too much. It seems like they literally give the four winners seeds 1-4, and it was random what seed they get. And each player gets put a tier, but it's random what seed they get. I fail to see how this isn't fair and it certainly makes a lot of sense rather an arbitrarily giving rankings based on performance or to "adjust the bracket so it's even".
If I can find a system to easily seed the 4 winners, so can they. Really, seeding herO and TaeJa 1st and 2nd for their overall IEM success would be obvious and they are the highest seeded players. On the other side, INnoVation is one of the top 5 players in the world right now and Trap is on a roll, and the two of them get seeded lower than Patience, Hydra, Bbyong and Fantasy. This means top 4 seeded players Life and Flash get stronger opponents than seeds 5-8. This isn't inherently unfair, but it's unfortunate because it causes matches like Life vs INnoVation which might as well be the grand finals to take place in round 1.
That happens in all competition tho, if you're gonna have a bracket sometimes it might be a little stronger in some places than others. Is it unfortunate? Maybe, but I'd rather have it like this than for them to have some sort of double standard because "they think one player is better" instead of leveling everybody's "chances" so to speak.
It kinda ruins the point of seeding anyone if the 4 lowest seeded players are Cure, Dark, INnoVation and Trap, who are objectively better than several of the players seeded higher (at least right now). They might aswell completely randomise everything at that point and remove the "no previous finalists on the same side of the bracket" constrait IMO.
Cure's seeded last because he got 3rd place in a qualifier. Would you seed him above Hydra or Patience, who beat him in the qualifiers? Or Bbyong, who beat Terminator after Terminator beat Cure? That would seem pretty unfair to me. Regardless of how good they are, those players earned a higher seed than Cure.
Even if you make the ro16 a bit more even, there's no reasonable system by which you can stop INnoVation from potentially facing the top seed in the ro8 unless you seed him higher than the actual finalists. As much as I agree that it's a shame to have Life vs Inno in the first round, I can't fault the system they've used too much.
I didn't say Cure or Dark should be seeded above them, I said that with the level of players they have, using seeding to create the matches is not a good idea. Not to mention their seeding seems to be a mix of systematical seeding and utter randomness.
This is the seeding I proposed should have been used if seeding was really necessary, devoid of any randomness:
1. herO 2. TaeJa 3. Life 4. Flash 5. Maru 6. Rain 7. Zest 8. Solar 9. INnoVation 10. Patience 11. NA/EU player with least map losses (Trap or Hydra) 12. NA/EU player with 2nd least map losses (Hydra or Trap) 13. NA/EU player with 3rd least map losses (Bbyong) 14. NA/EU player with 4th least map losses (Fantasy) 15. KR 3rd place qualifier (Dark) 16. EU 3rd place qualifier (Cure)
This would lead to:
herO vs Cure TaeJa vs Dark Life vs Fantasy Flash vs Bbyong Maru vs Hydra Rain vs Trap Zest vs Patience Solar vs INnoVation
IMO, this is much better matched in terms of skill and seeding and potential for later rounds, without being guaranteed to immediately remove a fan favourite from the tournament. This is better for the fans, the organisers, the tournament itself and the players.
Nobody was given their exact seed. They were randomly drawn between the seeding pools by rolling dice, no joke.
This is the IEM world championship, all 4 tournament winners from the season are considered equal. So they get randomly drawn. Same with the runners-up, minus the fact they cannot meet their finalist opponent until the final.
I think it shows enough when you're all trying to come up with your own seeding and still none of them match. That is why we do it the way we do. The seeding is the exact opposite of arbitrary. You might not like it, but it has logic to it, and it's fair.
On March 06 2015 22:23 messioso wrote: Nobody was given their exact seed. They were randomly drawn between the seeding pools by rolling dice, no joke.
This is the IEM world championship, all 4 tournament winners from the season are considered equal. So they get randomly drawn. Same with the runners-up, minus the fact they cannot meet their finalist opponent until the final.
I think it shows enough when you're all trying to come up with your own seeding and still none of them match. That is why we do it the way we do. The seeding is the exact opposite of arbitrary. You might not like it, but it has logic to it, and it's fair.
I think the way IEM does it is very good. In particular basing it off performance directly related to the tourney at hand and nothing else is a very good approach, otherwise you could come up with basically any order you wish by cherrypicking what "matters" and what doesn't. Fabricating brackets because of some subjective biases or "fan favourites" is a really bad idea.
On March 06 2015 22:23 messioso wrote: Nobody was given their exact seed. They were randomly drawn between the seeding pools by rolling dice, no joke.
This is the IEM world championship, all 4 tournament winners from the season are considered equal. So they get randomly drawn. Same with the runners-up, minus the fact they cannot meet their finalist opponent until the final.
I think it shows enough when you're all trying to come up with your own seeding and still none of them match. That is why we do it the way we do. The seeding is the exact opposite of arbitrary. You might not like it, but it has logic to it, and it's fair.
Seems like a fair method. Thanks for seeding and putting thought into it!
On March 06 2015 22:23 messioso wrote: They were randomly drawn between the seeding pools by rolling dice, no joke.
I'd be interested to see how that works tbh. No seriously, you should consider streaming this next year, would be a good hype video.
You say none of them match by the way, but everyone can figure out that herO and TaeJa got the highest seeds, that Cure and Dark are the lowest seeds and that the matches were nearly randomised (except for the no previous finalists in same half of the bracket condition). Of course there won't be an exact match because the community wouldn't randomly draw but purposely assign ratings to players based on whatever concept.
I'm not saying that the seeding is arbitrary or unfair, just that with the way it turned out this year, it is unfortunate for certain players.
for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
Yeah he probably will
For a moment there, I was tempted to just throw out a quick list from 1 to 16 on who I think is strongest right now, and then I realised that there are a bunch of people that are really difficult to rate, i.e. Patience and Fantasy.
I started with: 1. Life 2. herO 3. INnoVation 4. Maru 5. Trap
for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
Yeah he probably will
For a moment there, I was tempted to just throw out a quick list from 1 to 16 on who I think is strongest right now, and then I realised that there are a bunch of people that are really difficult to rate, i.e. Patience and Fantasy.
I started with: 1. Life 2. herO 3. INnoVation 4. Maru 5. Trap
And then the idea kinda fell apart .
Yeah making PRs is actually pretty hard. Mine would probably go something like yours, with Trap being #3 and herO #1
for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
Yeah he probably will
For a moment there, I was tempted to just throw out a quick list from 1 to 16 on who I think is strongest right now, and then I realised that there are a bunch of people that are really difficult to rate, i.e. Patience and Fantasy.
I started with: 1. Life 2. herO 3. INnoVation 4. Maru 5. Trap
And then the idea kinda fell apart .
Well, I made a power rank a while ago... 1 INnoVation 2 Maru 3 Life 4 Dark 5 herO 6 TaeJa 7 Bbyong 8 Trap 9 Zest 10 Cure 11 Flash 12 Solar 13 Rain 14 FanTaSy 15 Hydra 16 Patience Not sure if it's terribly great though, especially after INnoVation's recent slips in form :D
for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
Yeah he probably will
For a moment there, I was tempted to just throw out a quick list from 1 to 16 on who I think is strongest right now, and then I realised that there are a bunch of people that are really difficult to rate, i.e. Patience and Fantasy.
I started with: 1. Life 2. herO 3. INnoVation 4. Maru 5. Trap
And then the idea kinda fell apart .
Well, I made a power rank a while ago... 1 INnoVation 2 Maru 3 Life 4 Dark 5 herO 6 TaeJa 7 Bbyong 8 Trap 9 Zest 10 Cure 11 Flash 12 Solar 13 Rain 14 FanTaSy 15 Hydra 16 Patience Not sure if it's terribly great though, especially after INnoVation's recent slips in form :D
Dark above herO is something I cannot understand :o
for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
Yeah he probably will
For a moment there, I was tempted to just throw out a quick list from 1 to 16 on who I think is strongest right now, and then I realised that there are a bunch of people that are really difficult to rate, i.e. Patience and Fantasy.
I started with: 1. Life 2. herO 3. INnoVation 4. Maru 5. Trap
And then the idea kinda fell apart .
Well, I made a power rank a while ago... 1 INnoVation 2 Maru 3 Life 4 Dark 5 herO 6 TaeJa 7 Bbyong 8 Trap 9 Zest 10 Cure 11 Flash 12 Solar 13 Rain 14 FanTaSy 15 Hydra 16 Patience Not sure if it's terribly great though, especially after INnoVation's recent slips in form :D
Dark above herO is something I cannot understand :o
I was considering Maru over INnoVation, but the fanboy got the best of me . Although I guess I should rank Maru higher because he has the easier opponent in Ro16. <.<
With Trap, I know he's great, but I haven't seen as many games from him as I'd like, so I'm looking forward to more Proleague appearances from him.
I was also considering herO over Life, honestly. They're really close right now, herO's on a tear recently, he's been getting even better (which means he won't accomplish anything for 3 months in individual leagues at some point this year ) while Life has struggled a bit, but Life is so good :S.
for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
Yeah he probably will
For a moment there, I was tempted to just throw out a quick list from 1 to 16 on who I think is strongest right now, and then I realised that there are a bunch of people that are really difficult to rate, i.e. Patience and Fantasy.
I started with: 1. Life 2. herO 3. INnoVation 4. Maru 5. Trap
And then the idea kinda fell apart .
Well, I made a power rank a while ago... 1 INnoVation 2 Maru 3 Life 4 Dark 5 herO 6 TaeJa 7 Bbyong 8 Trap 9 Zest 10 Cure 11 Flash 12 Solar 13 Rain 14 FanTaSy 15 Hydra 16 Patience Not sure if it's terribly great though, especially after INnoVation's recent slips in form :D
Dark above herO is something I cannot understand :o
Dark being anywhere near the top 10 tbh
Well I mean, I've re-evaluated a lot and my power rank now would probably quite a bit different than this one.
On March 10 2015 02:23 Shellshock wrote: [quote] for what it's worth I was just joking and I agree that it should be about current form
Oh Hey who knows, i bet there are still people out there who think Taeja is the best terran in the world.
He's obviously not the best terran in the world, but we always have to be wary of a random TaeJa playing godly in a weekend tournament.
Sure, but that isn't enough to put him high on a power rank imo. I am not sure if we will actually get one, but i am almost positive that Taeja will be placed way too high on it :D
Yeah he probably will
For a moment there, I was tempted to just throw out a quick list from 1 to 16 on who I think is strongest right now, and then I realised that there are a bunch of people that are really difficult to rate, i.e. Patience and Fantasy.
I started with: 1. Life 2. herO 3. INnoVation 4. Maru 5. Trap
And then the idea kinda fell apart .
Well, I made a power rank a while ago... 1 INnoVation 2 Maru 3 Life 4 Dark 5 herO 6 TaeJa 7 Bbyong 8 Trap 9 Zest 10 Cure 11 Flash 12 Solar 13 Rain 14 FanTaSy 15 Hydra 16 Patience Not sure if it's terribly great though, especially after INnoVation's recent slips in form :D
Dark above herO is something I cannot understand :o
Dark being anywhere near the top 10 tbh
Well I mean, I've re-evaluated a lot and my power rank now would probably quite a bit different than this one.
---The top 4, world-class, good in WE tournaments, high chances of winning--- #1 herO #2 Life #3 Trap #4 Maru ---The ones who are almost as good as the above and have high chances of winning too, but who I wouldn't favor for the title as much--- #5 INnoVation #6 Solar #7 Cure ---The ones who are big names but either in slippery form or not as good as the above (Bbyongwa is the exception)--- #8 Zest #9 FlaSh #10 TaeJa #11 Bbyongwa #12 Dark #13 Rain ---The ones who can make the upset happen--- #14 FanTaSy #15 Patience #16 Hydra
I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
On March 10 2015 04:40 Elentos wrote: I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
On March 10 2015 04:40 Elentos wrote: I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
On March 10 2015 04:40 Elentos wrote: I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
Why has Trap so suddenly been elavated so high?
It's difficult to ignore a man who has a winrate of 83% in his last 53 official games, including a 3-0 against Stats to qualify for this event.
On March 10 2015 04:40 Elentos wrote: I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
Why has Trap so suddenly been elavated so high?
It's difficult to ignore a man who has a winrate of 83% in his last 53 official games, including a 3-0 against Stats to qualify for this event.
On March 10 2015 04:40 Elentos wrote: I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
Why has Trap so suddenly been elavated so high?
It's difficult to ignore a man who has a winrate of 83% in his last 53 official games, including a 3-0 against Stats to qualify for this event.
A literal God, Tasteless.
I'm waiting for the day where Tasteless has a clever response to that <.<
On March 10 2015 04:40 Elentos wrote: I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
Why has Trap so suddenly been elavated so high?
It's difficult to ignore a man who has a winrate of 83% in his last 53 official games, including a 3-0 against Stats to qualify for this event.
A literal God, Tasteless.
I'm waiting for the day where Tasteless has a clever response to that <.<
"Well actually, Artosis, he's a figurative god. A literal god wouldn't be nearly as good as those guys here in Code S!"
On March 06 2015 08:08 SackOfWetMice wrote: I get that Trap has been playing well recently, but am very surprised at the amount of people predicting Trap to beat Rain. Rain 4-0'ed Trap in the finals of Pughcraft not too long ago. As long as he doesn't run into any swarm hosts, Rain seems primed to win his matchup.
And there's always this weird thing with Rain where when he's on a rise, and everyone expects him to win, he disappoints and falls slightly short; then when he's not 'hot' at the moment and people are starting to forget him as a favorite, he does better again and reclaims the 'favorite to win x tournament' spot. So for Rain fans (I'm one myself), it's probably a good thing that there aren't many people predicting a Rain win, if history repeats its usual Rain results trend in Katowice next weekend.
Man, I totally agree with you, also, Rain has a winning record against Trap historically
On March 10 2015 04:40 Elentos wrote: I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
BByong and Solar (1(2)-7 in SPL) above Rain?? Are you fking kidding me??
On March 10 2015 04:40 Elentos wrote: I did a bit of thinking, let's see if I can get this done.
--- Top 5, part of the world elite, if the winner is not one of these, it's a pretty major upset ---
#1 herO #2 Life #3 Maru #4 INnoVation #5 Trap
--- Players who can potentially do very well, but aren't quite as good as the top 5 ---
#6 Solar #7 Cure #8 Bbyong
--- Players with big names, currently not doing as well as they have in the past, and Dark --- #9 Dark #10 Flash #11 Rain #12 TaeJa #13 Zest
--- Players that would surprise if they advanced even a single round, who have no higher chance to win than Snute would --- #14 FanTaSy #15 Hydra #16 Patience
Oh dear, this is a pain to do. Well, I'm ready to be positively surprised by Flash and Zest.
BByong and Solar (1(2)-7 in SPL) above Rain?? Are you fking kidding me??
Solar is on an entirely different level in individual leagues compared to his really bad SPL performances. Bbyong is an all around solid player who rarely gets to shine in indivduals. Rain hasn't been doing well recently considering how good he can be. He dropped out of his GSL Ro16 group, which Solar took 1st place in. So yes, by current form I rate them that way. If you disagree with my rating, that's fine and your opinion, but don't be an ass about it.
EPT
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IEM Season IX - World Championship starting next week (March 12-15). (source)
i would like to see the MAru vs Life rematch but Inno vs Maru would glorious too
I predict Dark winning this.
