EPTIf you actually asked the players, korean or not, you would see they have a great respect for each other. And you will not find one korean who gets upset when someone calls a non korean good.
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H0i
Netherlands484 Posts
If you actually asked the players, korean or not, you would see they have a great respect for each other. And you will not find one korean who gets upset when someone calls a non korean good. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On February 20 2015 23:08 royalroadweed wrote: Doesn't mean they still aren't disrespected. I've seen enough complaints about "faceless koreans" and "random koreans" to know better. The response to to sos winning blizzcon or the stories of golden and duckdeok. Granted pigbaby is proof things have gotten better but still this is still an issue | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
I hope everyone follows my example. We really must do something against all this player complimenting! | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 21 2015 00:14 Cricketer12 wrote: The response to to sos winning blizzcon or the stories of golden and duckdeok. Granted pigbaby is proof things have gotten better but still this is still an issue Anyone who saw duckdeok's tears and still thinks that he is a faceless Korean has no soul and would have no reaction to someone being butchered in front of him. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3822 Posts
On February 20 2015 11:17 Hadronsbecrazy wrote: you just grouped ForGG with PartinG >_> One has an MSL, one has not. | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
Lets just hire Siri to read the game stats, because we dont need hype | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
I suggest the following: GSL Champion: Good Korean Pro: Ok Foreign Pro: Bad GM: Really bad Master: Retarded Below Masters: Severely retarded | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On February 21 2015 00:09 H0i wrote: There is so much stuff in this thread that is completely ridiculous. It's offensive to korean players to call people playing in tournaments like WCS global "good"? What a joke. The elitist attitude found in the OP and some other posters is a true cancer to the community. If you actually asked the players, korean or not, you would see they have a great respect for each other. And you will not find one korean who gets upset when someone calls a non korean good. I agree. We had the same issue last year with people calling the Koreans who won WCS EU and NA sub par players. The NA and EU regions will never grow unless the players get the respect and compensation they deserve. The OP is ignorant. Top GM EU players can play better than Koreans on a good day and Koreans can play horribly on a bad day. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 21 2015 00:55 TRaFFiC wrote: I agree. We had the same issue last year with people calling the Koreans who won WCS EU and NA sub par players. The NA and EU regions will never grow unless the players get the respect and compensation they deserve. The OP is ignorant. Top GM EU players can play better than Koreans on a good day and Koreans can play horribly on a bad day. Top GM Eu is Ptitdrogo lvl. He's my mate and I love him but there is 0 way he plays on the level of a Code S player anytime soon lol. You need to get your blinkers off sometimes | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On February 21 2015 00:59 sAsImre wrote: Top GM Eu is Ptitdrogo lvl. He's my mate and I love him but there is 0 way he plays on the level of a Code S player anytime soon lol. You need to get your blinkers off sometimes I didn't say he would play in code s. I said he could take games off top Koreans which is absolutely true. Another top EU GM is Petreus. This man came from fucking New Zealand all the way to America, then Europe to hone his skill. He has made top 100 kr gm multiple times. The same ignorant and elitist attitude which thinks Koreans are the best and invincible fails to notice when they make terrible errors in game. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On February 21 2015 00:55 TRaFFiC wrote: I agree. We had the same issue last year with people calling the Koreans who won WCS EU and NA sub par players. The NA and EU regions will never grow unless the players get the respect and compensation they deserve. The OP is ignorant. Top GM EU players can play better than Koreans on a good day and Koreans can play horribly on a bad day. Thorin made that exact point eh. Just cause a foreigner, or EU player, sometimes beats a korean doesn't mean they are on par eh. Thorin is talking about on average, what's going on eh? Don't take a specific game in your memory where an eu player beat a korean and use that as a model for the actual skill relationship eh. Because that's going against the actual facts eh | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 21 2015 01:05 Deathstar wrote: Thorin made that exact point eh. Just cause a foreigner, or EU player, sometimes beats a korean doesn't mean they are on par eh. Thorin is talking about on average, what's going on eh? Don't take a specific game in your memory where an eu player beat a korean and use that as a model for the actual skill relationship eh. Because that's going against the actual facts eh Thorin facts eh | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 21 2015 00:55 MockHamill wrote: The OP is one the right track I think. Maybe we just need to decide on a system for classifying Starcraft skill. I suggest the following: GSL Champion: Good Korean Pro: Ok Foreign Pro: Bad GM: Really bad Master: Retarded Below Masters: Severely retarded Well, the players below Masters are actually really good, the metagame just hasn't caught up to their playstyles. Otherwise I approve of this. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On February 21 2015 01:05 Deathstar wrote: Thorin made that exact point eh. Just cause a foreigner, or EU player, sometimes beats a korean doesn't mean they are on par eh. Thorin is talking about on average, what's going on eh? Don't take a specific game in your memory where an eu player beat a korean and use that as a model for the actual skill relationship eh. Because that's going against the actual facts eh I watched the first 3 min of the video and he going on and on about good blah blah blah. I doubt this guy is even watching sc2 because almost every single match the casters accurately say who the favorite is. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 21 2015 01:03 TRaFFiC wrote: I didn't say he would play in code s. I said he could take games off top Koreans which is absolutely true. Another top EU GM is Petreus. This man came from fucking New Zealand all the way to America, then Europe to hone his skill. He has made top 100 kr gm multiple times. The same ignorant and elitist attitude which thinks Koreans are the best and invincible fails to notice when they make terrible errors in game. Petreaus isn't "top gm". He is literraly owning the EU ladder now that korean left. And you misread what I said. There is no way this guy play a game on the level of the average rain/soulkey/ty game level (even on a bad day there is no foreigner even getting close to have TY multitasking tbh). They can beat them if the koreans are playing at a shitty level (and it happens from time to time, lol at Panic dt shrine being scouted by his revealeted stalkers, that was like bronze level play xD). It appears you don't really know what's the real level of top EU GM. Psionic who got owned really hard by Snute sat for a good time in the top 16 gm. Ladder is pointless you can go high by spamming shitty all ins in some match ups that will not help you in actual tournament play. (that being said these guys are decent at sc2 and most of the time the one who aren't good mostly suck at the strategic aspect of the game and multitasking than anything else). | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On February 21 2015 00:55 MockHamill wrote: The OP is one the right track I think. Maybe we just need to decide on a system for classifying Starcraft skill. I suggest the following: GSL Champion: Good Korean Pro: Ok Foreign Pro: Bad GM: Really bad Master: Retarded Below Masters: Severely retarded LMAO i love it. this is hilarious because this is actually how a lot of people refer to the competitors | ||
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alukarD
Mexico396 Posts
The best Koreans have lost to foreigners, Flash to Naniwa, Life to Sjow, herO to Snute. Those that mean that they are better? Well, no, I don't think so. But definitely that they are good enough to win occasionally. So I think this discussion is pointless, everybody has got their own opinion. Foreigners are good. They are a threat to Koreans. I think the more appropriate way to approach this is that foreigners are the underdogs, and by that I understand that they are not expected to win, but they still could, which, in my book, having a chance against the Koreans, its a pretty damn good player. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On February 21 2015 01:25 alukarD wrote: I would like the opinion of Koreans on this matter. I think they believe they are the best, but I don't think they are cocky enough to say foreigners in general suck. The best Koreans have lost to foreigners, Flash to Naniwa, Life to Sjow, herO to Snute. Those that mean that they are better? Well, no, I don't think so. But definitely that they are good enough to win occasionally. So I think this discussion is pointless, everybody has got their own opinion. Foreigners are good. They are a threat to Koreans. I think the more appropriate way to approach this is that foreigners are the underdogs, and by that I understand that they are not expected to win, but they still could, which, in my book, having a chance against the Koreans, its a pretty damn good player. Yeah, I think that the OP is approaching the entire WCS system wrong. The reason the WCS is split up like it is, is specifically so we can find the best foreigner competition for the koreans. Like how WCG was. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 21 2015 00:55 MockHamill wrote: The OP is one the right track I think. Maybe we just need to decide on a system for classifying Starcraft skill. I suggest the following: GSL Champion: Good Korean Pro: Ok Foreign Pro: Bad GM: Really bad Master: Retarded Below Masters: Severely retarded Idk. If we say GSL champions are good then we have to call Sniper good, and no one wants to do that. Multiple time Korean Champion: Decent Korean Champion: Okay, maybe just lucky Korean Pro: Not bad I guess Good foreign pro: Bad Bad foreign pro: Really bad GM and below: Severely retarded | ||
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