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Welcome this month's top 50 streamers list. 
Update: Turns out my script did not differentiate between Rain and Rain. It does now, and I updated the rankings accordingly. Sorry, Rains. 
Table of contents
Huh? What's this?
For those of you who don't already know what this is about: I'm gathering various data (viewers, game, events, etc.) from all the streams that are presented on teamliquid.net (those that you can in the sidebar to your right) and use that data to produce the pretty tables and graphs you see below. The tables only contain SC2 players (that is, streams of people playing games of Starcraft 2) and not casters, teams or other streams. The tables also only contain Starcraft 2 related activities. So, for instance when CatZ is streaming Dota2, it will not be taken into account.
The data I gather is then turned into the tables you see below. One is sorted by the average viewers, the other is sorted by the average viewers times the hours streamed. The latter table favors those that stream a lot, while the former table favors popular streamers regardless of how much they stream. Either ranking has its advantages and disadvantages, and thus I present both.
For either table, I have a minimum required stream time of 5 hours to be included in the list.
The list
Due to space limitations, I have to shorten the headers and leave some data out of the tables presented here. You can get the full tables from the links below.
The headers aren't as clear as I'd like them to be thanks to this, so here's a quick explanation, just in case: "Viewers" denotes the average viewers in the given month. "Hours" are the hours played. "Place diff" and "Viewer diff" are the place and viewer differences compared to last month.
Also, the HTML version linked beneath the images has some more information that I had to leave out due to space limitation, most notably the featured status of the players.
Now, Without further ado, here's this month's tables:
Stray observations and musings
- Did you hear that Naniwa has been streaming again? Apparently so, since he's easily gained the #1 spot in the average viewers category last month. Congrats!
- While his average viewer numbers are a bit more shaky lately, Winter remains the number one when it comes to pure viewerhours. He did lose a good number of those, however, and the #2, Destiny, did gain a good bit. If the trend continues, Winter might be dethroned yet after all.
- Notable streamers who made it to last month's list, but did not make it this month or who did not stream at all: Grubby (), Parting, Soulkey.
- If you find any mistakes or errors in the lists, please do let me know, especially concerning team changes or players that you are absolutely sure should be on the lists, but are not.
The big picture
![[image loading]](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8028950/TL/Monthly%20viewers%202015%2001.png) (The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)
Note that these are player streams only.
Not a whole lot of change compared to the previous month, so not a whole lot to say.
Oh, and just for desrow <3:
This graph shows all SC2 streams, regardless of whether they are player streams, event streams or caster streams. I tend not to show this one because, thanks to some major events not delivering live viewership numbers (like MLG), it can be somewhat misleading. So do take this graph with a grain of salt, please.
That being said, with WCS picking up and steadily getting into premier territory, we should see the numbers going up again in the coming month.
WCS/GSL
The usual ranking of EU > NA > KR remains untouched, but with the new WCS season and changes, viewership for the different regions seems to come closer and closer together.
Proleague
Quite steady numbers for Proleague. Sweet.
That's all for this month. Hope you guys enjoyed, as always. Any kind of feedback is always welcome!
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your Country52797 Posts
Naniwa instant #1 upon his return, why am I not surprised 
Although I could have sworn he broke 8k at some point. Hmm
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Almost certain Naniwa was 9.1k at some point.
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On February 05 2015 08:01 Xinzoe wrote:
Almost certain Naniwa was 9.1k at some point.
Quite possible. I only poll the viewer numbers every 15 minutes, so he might have more viewers in any given 14 minute window and I'd miss it.
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On February 05 2015 08:04 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 08:01 Xinzoe wrote:
Almost certain Naniwa was 9.1k at some point. Quite possible. I only poll the viewer numbers every 15 minutes, so he might have more viewers in any given 14 minute window and I'd miss it.
ye, he definitely was more than 9000 of viewers
and there we can see who's the boss on foreigner scene
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Looks like spending over a week not commentating to work for GM had a pretty dramatic impact on numbers (and ofc streaming on NVIDIA channel regularly), hope to bring it back up towards LOTV
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Uuuh that overall stream graphs is pretty sad ..
After the huge drop of viewers for players stream and small cup streams in 2012/2013, end 2013 and 2014 saw a huge drop of viewers for premier tourneys as well... Hope sc2 viwership can somewhat stabilize at a not too low point
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I'm refreshing, but the images are still not showing up. Is that the kind of thing I should file a bug report over?
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Well, I guess it's a good sign that the current viewer number hasn't really dropped much since last year, but still it hasn't grown.
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On February 05 2015 09:05 Pontius Pirate wrote:
I'm refreshing, but the images are still not showing up. Is that the kind of thing I should file a bug report over?
Hmm, the images seem just fine over here. Maybe dropbox is blocked from your side?
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Last I checked, mYinsanity's Rain played Protoss! First streamer I looked for, being my favorite player and all
Otherwise, thanks for posting these consistently, helps keep track of the big streamers
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
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The viewbots seem to still do wonders for Winter...
User was warned for this post
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Individual stream numbers went down slightly from last month, and are still higher than March-November of 2014.
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What, no sc2rain, he's usually top 2 streamer the whole time he streams. soulkey not even on the list either.. seems suspect
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I don't wanna start any debate, but can someone explain why people are watching winter? I mean he's not particularly good at the game (although not horrendous or anything) he's not a funny character like destiny can be, and he doesn't seem to whine when he lose
what's the appeal?
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On February 05 2015 11:47 HmmmCookies wrote:
The viewbots seem to still do wonders for Winter...
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Ok, I'll take the bait. I find it hard to believe that Twitch would write checks every month to someone with phantom viewers. I would think by now that they would have the algorithms and detection methods in place to detect constant view botting. Could you maybe get away with it once or twice here and there? Sure, but not on a consistent basis. Call me naive, if you will, but that's just my 0.02.
On a side note, let's assume every Winter viewer is real. What is the appeal of watching a master league player intentionally humiliate players far below his skill level? Winter can play the game however he wants, I just don't get the attraction for all that watch him. Maybe I'm missing something.
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On February 05 2015 12:07 tritonice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 11:47 HmmmCookies wrote:
The viewbots seem to still do wonders for Winter...
User was warned for this post Ok, I'll take the bait. I find it hard to believe that Twitch would write checks every month to someone with phantom viewers. I would think by now that they would have the algorithms and detection methods in place to detect constant view botting. Could you maybe get away with it once or twice here and there? Sure, but not on a consistent basis. Call me naive, if you will, but that's just my 0.02. On a side note, let's assume every Winter viewer is real. What is the appeal of watching a master league player intentionally humiliate players far below his skill level? Winter can play the game however he wants, I just don't get the attraction for all that watch him. Maybe I'm missing something.
Ok, the viewbot idea is kinda silly. But you have to wonder why a chat why 3K has 10x less activity then let's say Huk's stream when he has 300 viewers.
No clue as to why someone would watch Winter either
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On February 05 2015 12:04 tokinho wrote:
What, no sc2rain, he's usually top 2 streamer the whole time he streams.
he's 29th/37th.... just mismarked as Terran.
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Thank you conti for the post I greatly appreciate it!
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Well, I'll be honest, probably not alone, but Naniwa streaming was probably the first time I watch a player personal stream in 2 years.
Naniwa was just being douchey and it was funny to watch for a while. Would probably get boring after a while tho, which could explain why he only did 17h anyway.
Sc2 is really one of the worst kind of game to stream yourself, because you need to give up all stream interaction during the games. so I really don't know who watch personal stream beside :
1. People that are fan of a player and are there to hear the few reactions thrown around
2. People trying to get better at the game
That's really a niche number of people.
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People who still question winter simply have no idea about streaming on twitch as a whole.
Maybe you guys should actually start watching streams outside of esports to get an idea what people like to see these days.
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Awesome info as always! Thanks Conti
On February 05 2015 12:14 HmmmCookies wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 12:07 tritonice wrote:On February 05 2015 11:47 HmmmCookies wrote:
The viewbots seem to still do wonders for Winter...
User was warned for this post Ok, I'll take the bait. I find it hard to believe that Twitch would write checks every month to someone with phantom viewers. I would think by now that they would have the algorithms and detection methods in place to detect constant view botting. Could you maybe get away with it once or twice here and there? Sure, but not on a consistent basis. Call me naive, if you will, but that's just my 0.02. On a side note, let's assume every Winter viewer is real. What is the appeal of watching a master league player intentionally humiliate players far below his skill level? Winter can play the game however he wants, I just don't get the attraction for all that watch him. Maybe I'm missing something. Ok, the viewbot idea is kinda silly. But you have to wonder why a chat why 3K has 10x less activity then let's say Huk's stream when he has 300 viewers. No clue as to why someone would watch Winter either
This is discussed and answered every month. Go look at previous threads for comprehensive explanations.
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USA29055 Posts
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Miniraser play for Imaginary Gaming now
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What was the cause of HuK getting 8.9k viewers? Seems pretty cool, just by looking at the number atleast.
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incontrols numbers dropped a ton after he started playing csgo
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On February 05 2015 17:34 Hall0wed wrote:
What was the cause of HuK getting 8.9k viewers? Seems pretty cool, just by looking at the number atleast.
I think he got hosted by bastetrade
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Russian Federation232 Posts
guys what happened to grubby ? is he still playing ?
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On February 05 2015 12:14 rikapi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 12:04 tokinho wrote:
What, no sc2rain, he's usually top 2 streamer the whole time he streams. he's 29th/37th.... just mismarked as Terran.
Not he's not, don't insult conti like that. He knows the difference between the 2 rains. the MYI rain is the highest level protoss who was pulling in 1200-2500 viewers at a time. The terran rain on this list pulled in 400-500 viewers. If anything he just marked the wrong team for the rain on the list.
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Russian Federation15 Posts
On February 05 2015 18:54 meshfusion wrote:
guys what happened to grubby ? is he still playing ?
He's playing HotS right now. Rank 1 in ranked games if i'm not wrong.
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On February 05 2015 19:57 tokinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 12:14 rikapi wrote:On February 05 2015 12:04 tokinho wrote:
What, no sc2rain, he's usually top 2 streamer the whole time he streams. he's 29th/37th.... just mismarked as Terran. Not he's not, don't insult conti like that. He knows the difference between the 2 rains. the MYI rain is the highest level protoss who was pulling in 1200-2500 viewers at a time. The terran rain on this list pulled in 400-500 viewers. If anything he just marked the wrong team for the rain on the list.
Actually, insults are perfectly in order here, as it turns out. Looks like my script decided that Rain and Rain were the same person and mixed their numbers together. My bad!
I've updated the rankings with the new data. MYI Rain made it into the rankings, while former Fnatic Rain unfortunately did not (with 119 viewers on average).
Sorry, Rain and Rain.
On February 05 2015 12:04 tokinho wrote:
What, no sc2rain, he's usually top 2 streamer the whole time he streams. soulkey not even on the list either.. seems suspect
Soulkey did not stream for more than 5 hours last month, so he did not appear in the rankings. As for Rain, see above, that was my bad.
On February 05 2015 15:37 Horsaphael wrote:
Miniraser play for Imaginary Gaming now
Thanks! Updated.
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On February 05 2015 17:34 Hall0wed wrote:
What was the cause of HuK getting 8.9k viewers? Seems pretty cool, just by looking at the number atleast.
Totalbiscuit hosted HuK's stream after LOTV tournament.
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MajOr isn't at Root anymore
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On February 05 2015 12:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
People who still question winter simply have no idea about streaming on twitch as a whole.
Maybe you guys should actually start watching streams outside of esports to get an idea what people like to see these days.
People who don't question winter simply have no idea about streaming on twitch as a whole.
Maybe you guys should actually start watching streams outside of esports to get an idea what people like to see these days.
if you really think a nobody random master player who trolls silver and gold players gets more viewers than player like taeja rain, huk, snute, stephano etc. i really don't know what to say.
Surprised he still gets away with it.
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On February 06 2015 02:20 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 12:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:
People who still question winter simply have no idea about streaming on twitch as a whole.
Maybe you guys should actually start watching streams outside of esports to get an idea what people like to see these days.
People who don't question winter simply have no idea about streaming on twitch as a whole. Maybe you guys should actually start watching streams outside of esports to get an idea what people like to see these days. if you really think a nobody random master player who trolls silver and gold players gets more viewers than player like taeja rain, huk, snute, stephano etc. i really don't know what to say. Surprised he still gets away with it.
I watch a lot of Twitch outside SC2. If you claim that isn't the type of thing that will get a lot of views on Twitch, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Man these numbers are disappointing, a lot of these guys who are dependent on stream revenue will soon have to look for 2nd job.
Huk averaging 800 viewers is disgusting, a guy with his personality and level of play should be getting much higher. I remember back in the day he would easily get 5k+ viewers every time he streamed.
These numbers are quite sad, seems like esports is growing and sc2 is declining. Destiny must feel like a prophet right now. I seriously hope Blizzard makes legacy of the void free to play.
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On February 06 2015 03:47 SuperFanBoy wrote:
I seriously hope Blizzard makes legacy of the void free to play.
This so much. probably the only thing which will save sc2 at this point.
Of course it won't die anytime soon but sc2 deserves better than being in the shadow of trash games like lol and dota.
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On February 06 2015 04:57 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 03:47 SuperFanBoy wrote:
I seriously hope Blizzard makes legacy of the void free to play. This so much. probably the only thing which will save sc2 at this point. Of course it won't die anytime soon but sc2 deserves better than being in the shadow of trash games like lol and dota.
Yeah, every game you don't like is trash. Every person you don't like does viewbot.
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United States102 Posts
On a side note, let's assume every Winter viewer is real. What is the appeal of watching a master league player intentionally humiliate players far below his skill level? Winter can play the game however he wants, I just don't get the attraction for all that watch him. Maybe I'm missing something.
I tend to tune into Winter over higher skilled players because 1) he talks while he plays, and 2) when he does talk, he tends to be a positive guy. I've avoided many English speaking streamers at times simply because the tone of their streams tended to be very negative. Either they are complaining or BMing or both.
I don't need more negativity in my life. Winter delivers on that front.
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Is it legit to say someone has returned to streaming after only 17 hours? I dunno, maybe I'm spoiled by the guys who put in serious time.
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Canada11355 Posts
I used to watch player streams a lot, especially back in the days of IdrA+huk+jinro in GSL. Nowadays unless it's a tournament, I'd rather play games than watch someone else play.
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Russian Federation232 Posts
so grubby has switched to HOTS hes not trying to compete in sc2 right ? im guessing he doesnt care LOTV is gonna come out ? he's getting ready to make the pro switch to HOTS ? :S isn't HOTS a team based game tho lol
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On February 06 2015 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 04:57 Charoisaur wrote:On February 06 2015 03:47 SuperFanBoy wrote:
I seriously hope Blizzard makes legacy of the void free to play. This so much. probably the only thing which will save sc2 at this point. Of course it won't die anytime soon but sc2 deserves better than being in the shadow of trash games like lol and dota. Yeah, every game you don't like is trash. Every person you don't like does viewbot.
That's TL SC2 section, and internet in general, for you! A lot of shouting out opinions as if they are indisputable facts, frequently followed up by questioning intelligence or expertise of anyone that disagrees, and a lot less of reason of what is correct and what isn't. A bit like politics I guess?
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On February 05 2015 08:11 WinterStarcraft wrote:Looks like spending over a week not commentating to work for GM had a pretty dramatic impact on numbers (and ofc streaming on NVIDIA channel regularly), hope to bring it back up towards LOTV
hope you can afford it!
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