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On January 19 2015 00:23 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?! Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen. Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series. Best foreigner, not most successful. If we're talking success, it's down to NaNi/Stephano/Sen.
Snute Mana Huk und Nerchio are also up there when it comes to success
Stephano being Number 1 (just going by who has earned the most) and Nani Number 2 and then everyone else slightly above 100k
I guess if we just go by who is the best foreigner from the beginning of SC2 till now I think the only real competition Naniwa has is Stephano but he is retired. So we would have to see if Huk and Nerchio can manage to find their old form and how Snute, Bunny, Sen are gonna do this year
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On January 19 2015 00:18 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:15 Homunculus159 wrote:On January 19 2015 00:11 MidnightZL wrote:On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed. Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?  There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed. You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series. Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there. would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean? If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm. The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player. If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that. He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it. [...] Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break. I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean". There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean. Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant. Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa. Not to take any credit from Nani since he IS one of the best foreigners ever, but I doubt 90% will say Naniwa. Yeah, Stephano and Scarlett have close to as much right to that title as NaNiwa does. MajOr also seemed to be pretty well respected in the Team 8 house at the time as well, despite not getting much playtime. I agree though, NaNiwa is at least a top 3 foreigner of all-time. There are other players who have been good at their respective times (Jinro, IdrA, HuK, Sen, ThorZaIN, VortiX), but I think that NaNiwa was probably better than all of them at his prime than when they were at their primes.
Even as a Naniwa fan, I think, Stephano has to be the overall number 1, but how does Scarlett end up in a tier with those two? I mean, HuK, Snute, ThorZaIN, MaNa, Nerchio and Sen all won tournaments with korean competition, while she never did. I'd put her in the next tier with Idra,Vortix and the consistently forgotten Jim.
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Don't really mind drama , no manners , no gg's or even a flame ingame but that was way above what the rulebook allows. I would be very suprised if that results in a warning. In my opinion a warning would mean that Naniwa gets different treatment compared to for example Lillekanin. He got a warning (in q3 or 4) before his ban for way less.
In my opinion he will be disqualified which is sad because I was looking to see one of the best or the best Protoss in Europe play again.
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On January 19 2015 00:38 NarutO wrote:
Don't really mind drama , no manners , no gg's or even a flame ingame but that was way above what the rulebook allows. I would be very suprised if that results in a warning. In my opinion a warning would mean that Naniwa gets different treatment compared to for example Lillekanin. He got a warning (in q3 or 4) before his ban for way less.
In my opinion he will be disqualified which is sad because I was looking to see one of the best or the best Protoss in Europe play again.
It was at least provoked by Kane, so is not neccesarily a ban (also other than Lillekanin he didin't communicate with twitchchat during the game). If this results in a ban, I expect it to be a double-ban, though, Kane raising money to have Nerchio and Naniwa having a fight is probably not wanted in the rules either.
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I cannot WAIT for Naniwa and IdrA to play Archon Mode together in LotV. Please let this happen.
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On January 19 2015 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I cannot WAIT for Naniwa and IdrA to play Archon Mode together in LotV. Please let this happen.
Oh dear god.
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On January 19 2015 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I cannot WAIT for Naniwa and IdrA to play Archon Mode together in LotV. Please let this happen.
Destiny as commentator
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I love Naniwa. I love how good he was (is?) and when he flames and flips out, I laugh and laugh...
So I hope he comes back, better and angrier than ever. Maybe then a foreigner will take a title.
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Naniwa will always be the best Nonkorean to ever play this game!
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so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me
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On January 19 2015 00:45 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I cannot WAIT for Naniwa and IdrA to play Archon Mode together in LotV. Please let this happen. Destiny as commentator
In the other corner: Winter, commanding a team of CombatEx, Deezer, Savior and Joseph Stalin.
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the decision is easy, or. He'll be gone to fast to even notice he was here if you didn't care about him before xD.
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Goes without saying that I hate stuchiu
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A bunch of people united in criticizing one guy, but it's okay, we're all safe cause of our knowledge that we're the good guys.
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On January 19 2015 00:15 Homunculus159 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:11 MidnightZL wrote:On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed. Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose? There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed. You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series. Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there. would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean? If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm. The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player. If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that. He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it. [...] Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break. I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean". There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean. Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant. Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa. Not to take any credit from Nani since he IS one of the best foreigners ever, but I doubt 90% will say Naniwa.
Yeah I remember Day9 saying in an interview that eliminating Naniwa was like a point of pride for the Koreans because they didn't like his bad manner or something. I'd be willing to bet a lot of them would say Scarlett or Stephano just because they don't like him. Objectively it's pretty close between him and Stephano probably
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On January 19 2015 01:13 Incognoto wrote:
so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me
Don't make a rational decesion. Just observe the scene for a while. If you get annoyed by his twitter comments, root against him. If you get hyped watching his games, root for him. In my experience making a decision on whether you like someone or not isn't that useful, it just kind of happens.
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On January 19 2015 01:18 Nebuchad wrote:
A bunch of people united in criticizing one guy, but it's okay, we're all safe cause of our knowledge that we're the good guys.
- Scarface, paraphrased
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On January 18 2015 14:51 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft. Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough The more white dudes who can beat Koreans the beeter. Nani has been the best at doing that.
This is soooooooooo racist. Patheic
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On January 19 2015 01:13 Incognoto wrote:
so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me
Just enjoy the show. =)
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On January 19 2015 01:27 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 01:13 Incognoto wrote:
so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me Don't make a rational decesion. Just observe the scene for a while. If you get annoyed by his twitter comments, root against him. If you get hyped watching his games, root for him. In my experience making a decision on whether you like someone or not isn't that useful, it just kind of happens.
actually i just realized i don't even care at all about the drama. i find it surprising that people do, when there are more interesting things going on than naniwa being rude to people. screw that, is it surprising that people are rude to each other on the internet? :o
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