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On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed. Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?  There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed. You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series. Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there. would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean? If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm. The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player. If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that. He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it. [...] Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break. I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean". There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean. Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant.
Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa.
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Best article NA I think. Can't wait to see how Naniwa does this season.
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PLEASE STEPHANO UNRETIRE TOO AND HELP NANIWA SAVE ESPORTS!!
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It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.
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On January 19 2015 00:11 MidnightZL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed. Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose? There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed. You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series. Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there. would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean? If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm. The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player. If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that. He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it. [...] Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break. I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean". There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean. Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant. Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa.
Not to take any credit from Nani since he IS one of the best foreigners ever, but I doubt 90% will say Naniwa.
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On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.
In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....
Now THAT'S a bait!
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On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait!
Hope it works this time!
Edit: speaking of ego, people take shit so personally. why ..?
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On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait!
Haha you guys
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On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait!
:o
And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
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On January 19 2015 00:15 Homunculus159 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:11 MidnightZL wrote:On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed. Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose? There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed. You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series. Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there. would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean? If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm. The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player. If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that. He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it. [...] Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break. I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean". There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean. Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant. Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa. Not to take any credit from Nani since he IS one of the best foreigners ever, but I doubt 90% will say Naniwa.
Yeah, Stephano and Scarlett have close to as much right to that title as NaNiwa does. MajOr also seemed to be pretty well respected in the Team 8 house at the time as well, despite not getting much playtime.
I agree though, NaNiwa is at least a top 3 foreigner of all-time. There are other players who have been good at their respective times (Jinro, IdrA, HuK, Sen, ThorZaIN, VortiX), but I think that NaNiwa was probably better than all of them at his prime than when they were at their primes.
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Speaking of foreigners, you know who I want to see do really well? State! He qualified for WCS, let's see if he can make anything happen.
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On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!
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On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!
OMG I forgot Scoobers D:
But seriously; I forgot  Sen, sorry lichter 
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On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!
And King Artur
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On January 19 2015 00:20 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?! OMG I forgot Scoobers D:
But for realz, Bunny and Sen are like two of the most respected foreigners among Koreans.
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On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!
Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen.
Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.
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On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?! Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen. Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.
Best foreigner, not most successful. If we're talking success, it's down to NaNi/Stephano/Sen.
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On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?! Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen. Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.
Actually: If we're talking most successful foreigner most people forget that  MaNa is very much up there:
http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii
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On January 19 2015 00:25 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?! Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen. Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series. Actually: If we're talking most successful foreigner most people forget that MaNa is very much up there: http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii
That's quite true as well. MaNa probably should be included, but even then I'm pretty sure it would be hard to make a case that he's as good as Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, and NaNiwa. Those 4 are by far the most successful foreigners in SC2. I think one could make the argument that MajOr has the potential to be one of the best foreigners, but given his lack of results it's kind of hard to substantiate that claim.
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On January 19 2015 00:29 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 00:25 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts. In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego.... Now THAT'S a bait! :o And: Poll: Best foreigner ever:NaNiwa (126) 55% Stephano (74) 32% Snute (10) 4% Scarlett (8) 3% Jinro (6) 3% Idra (3) 1% Huk (2) 1% 229 total votes Your vote: Best foreigner ever: (Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro
Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?! Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen. Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series. Actually: If we're talking most successful foreigner most people forget that MaNa is very much up there: http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii That's quite true as well. MaNa probably should be included, but even then I'm pretty sure it would be hard to make a case that he's as good as Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, and NaNiwa. Those 4 are by far the most successful foreigners in SC2. I think one could make the argument that MajOr has the potential to be one of the best foreigners, but given his lack of results it's kind of hard to substantiate that claim.
Well, personally I think I might as well just made a poll with NaNi and Steph
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