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On January 09 2015 02:14 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
'Blizzard doesn't care about hackers' has been a prevalent notion amongst so many people. I don't understand where they get this notion, when Blizzard has done many ban waves and sued the developers of some of these hacks.
There is only so much that Blizzard can do, but to the eyes of some people they don't do enough.
To those that think Blizzard doesn't care, do you understand how difficult it is to combat the hackers? Do you think its easy?
Don't get me wrong, I think Blizzard could do more, but there is absolutely no way to stop it entirely.
Sorry, but I am getting you wrong. If you think they cannot prevent hackers for 2 whole seasons on NA from destroying the top 50 GM list and you therefore deduce that they definitely care I think your reasoning skills are getting mixed up somewhere. >.>~
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On January 09 2015 03:46 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 02:14 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
'Blizzard doesn't care about hackers' has been a prevalent notion amongst so many people. I don't understand where they get this notion, when Blizzard has done many ban waves and sued the developers of some of these hacks.
There is only so much that Blizzard can do, but to the eyes of some people they don't do enough.
To those that think Blizzard doesn't care, do you understand how difficult it is to combat the hackers? Do you think its easy?
Don't get me wrong, I think Blizzard could do more, but there is absolutely no way to stop it entirely. Sorry, but I am getting you wrong. If you think they cannot prevent hackers for 2 whole seasons on NA from destroying the top 50 GM list and you therefore deduce that they definitely care I think your reasoning skills are getting mixed up somewhere. >.>~
I am saying they do care; they are doing something about it; but I think they could also do more.
I am also saying its not easy what they have to do. They can't be super liberal with bans and lawsuits, because that can backfire very easily.
What I wouldn't mind is to have participants of WCS install an anti-cheat client when playing sanctioned matches like iccup.
To be honest, I don't care about the hackers on ladder. I care about hackers on WCS, so forcing WCS participants to install a program seems like a reasonable solution.
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I am part of the Chinese StarCraft II community and I am sorry to say that the environment in China for Starcraft II is very bad. Not only maphacking is involved, but a war between clans are raging in the forums. If anybody could read Chinese properly you know what I am talking about. This is more than a maphack.
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On January 09 2015 04:33 NeverNex wrote:
I am part of the Chinese StarCraft II community and I am sorry to say that the environment in China for Starcraft II is very bad. Not only maphacking is involved, but a war between clans are raging in the forums. If anybody could read Chinese properly you know what I am talking about. This is more than a maphack.
I'm really curious to hear more about this!
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On January 09 2015 04:33 NeverNex wrote:
I am part of the Chinese StarCraft II community and I am sorry to say that the environment in China for Starcraft II is very bad. Not only maphacking is involved, but a war between clans are raging in the forums. If anybody could read Chinese properly you know what I am talking about. This is more than a maphack.
But that's not to the point of damaging the health of a scene and potentially further damage the reputation of it.
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Some much broken english... I can't really tell what the bottom portion of the post is saying...
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On January 09 2015 06:57 PROconstantine wrote:
Some much broken english... I can't really tell what the bottom portion of the post is saying...
It is saying you can stream and maphack at the same time. The viewers won't be able to see that you are hacking so streaming your games don't prove that you are not maphacking.
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On January 08 2015 23:05 LingBlingBling wrote:
Blizzard has had a anti hack security position listed under their career options for years, not sure if they just lack in that department or they don't want to spend the money.
Kim Phan held an anti-cheat position previously at blizz.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimphan
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On January 09 2015 09:42 fruity. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 23:05 LingBlingBling wrote:
Blizzard has had a anti hack security position listed under their career options for years, not sure if they just lack in that department or they don't want to spend the money.
Kim Phan held an anti-cheat position previously at blizz. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimphan
A single guy against an entire community of hackers. :/ I see why he left...
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Kim Phan is a woman  She was promoted to Senior Manager of esports for blizz. I'm thinking you're confuzzling her with someone else 
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On January 09 2015 02:14 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
'Blizzard doesn't care about hackers' has been a prevalent notion amongst so many people. I don't understand where they get this notion, when Blizzard has done many ban waves and sued the developers of some of these hacks.
There is only so much that Blizzard can do, but to the eyes of some people they don't do enough.
To those that think Blizzard doesn't care, do you understand how difficult it is to combat the hackers? Do you think its easy?
Don't get me wrong, I think Blizzard could do more, but there is absolutely no way to stop it entirely.
yep,
the R.O.I. just ain't there to support full force anti-cheat measures.
its sucks this is happening. However, Blizzard supports the RTS genre a million times better than any other company..
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On January 09 2015 02:14 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
'Blizzard doesn't care about hackers' has been a prevalent notion amongst so many people. I don't understand where they get this notion, when Blizzard has done many ban waves and sued the developers of some of these hacks.
There is only so much that Blizzard can do, but to the eyes of some people they don't do enough.
To those that think Blizzard doesn't care, do you understand how difficult it is to combat the hackers? Do you think its easy?
Don't get me wrong, I think Blizzard could do more, but there is absolutely no way to stop it entirely.
We get the Blizzard does nothing notion from Brood War and Warcraft 3 where they did nothing!
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On January 11 2015 05:00 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 02:14 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
'Blizzard doesn't care about hackers' has been a prevalent notion amongst so many people. I don't understand where they get this notion, when Blizzard has done many ban waves and sued the developers of some of these hacks.
There is only so much that Blizzard can do, but to the eyes of some people they don't do enough.
To those that think Blizzard doesn't care, do you understand how difficult it is to combat the hackers? Do you think its easy?
Don't get me wrong, I think Blizzard could do more, but there is absolutely no way to stop it entirely. We get the Blizzard does nothing notion from Brood War and Warcraft 3 where they did nothing!
As someone who lived through those days(SCBW, WC3, D2, WoW) I can truthfully say they did do *SOMETHING* as in wait for many months to a year gathering CD Serials and then banning them......was it enough? Nope, but it did get them more money because the people would have to go buy another serial to keep playing...or just steal someone's key.
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On January 09 2015 14:36 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 09:42 fruity. wrote:On January 08 2015 23:05 LingBlingBling wrote:
Blizzard has had a anti hack security position listed under their career options for years, not sure if they just lack in that department or they don't want to spend the money.
Kim Phan held an anti-cheat position previously at blizz. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimphan A single guy against an entire community of hackers. :/ I see why he left...
So you replied to a post that had one line and a link without clicking the link?
Congrats on posting your uneducated opinion.
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update: SCgoodman and keke are dq'd and banned from blizz-sanctioned tournaments until June 30th for using "illegal plug-ins." A pretty light punishment.
http://sc2.163.com/articles/1001/72744
WCS China was delayed for 2 days and resumed. I think Stage 2 (top 16 to 6 qualifying spots) will be casted tomorrow January 11th and Monday January 3:00am PST/6:00am EST/12:00pm CET.
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Its good to hear justice has been delivered.
I disagree it was a light punishment, because this effectively puts them out of any chances for blizzcon, which is ultimately the goal for WCS and WCS sanctioned tournaments. Unless they manage to get into WCS season (insert season # after June 30th) and all other WCS sanctioned tournaments.
Its such a sad state of affairs in China when hacks become prevalent. I really think Blizzard should be a little bit more diligent during WCS and WCS sanctioned tourneys.
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On January 11 2015 05:16 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 14:36 Cascade wrote:On January 09 2015 09:42 fruity. wrote:On January 08 2015 23:05 LingBlingBling wrote:
Blizzard has had a anti hack security position listed under their career options for years, not sure if they just lack in that department or they don't want to spend the money.
Kim Phan held an anti-cheat position previously at blizz. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimphan A single guy against an entire community of hackers. :/ I see why he left... So you replied to a post that had one line and a link without clicking the link? Congrats on posting your uneducated opinion.
Thanks for your constructive post that improves this thread... What I meant is that a single person shouldn't be expected to beat a community of hackers. Although of course one is better than zero. And no I didn't read the link, and yes I managed to get two facts wrong in a line, and yes that was a bit funny, but no that doesn't change the point I was trying to make.
What would you have done if you were the single anti-hack employee on blizzard?
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What would you have done if you were the single anti-hack employee on blizzard?
Where did it state that Kim was the only anti-hack employee? How do you know there wasn't a huge team of them, any evidence to support the single anti-hack employee theory that I missed on linkedin?
I'd imagine if Kim was 'Senior' Manager of a department that looked in part at anti-cheating, that there'd be a team who she managed underneath her, performing the day to day legwork of investigating and implementing anti-cheat systems?
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On January 09 2015 04:33 NeverNex wrote:
Not only maphacking is involved, but a war between clans are raging in the forums.
I realize this is probably less cool and more sad in reality but fuck man a WAR? BETWEEN CLANS?
This shit sounds way more exciting than our boring SC2 drama. I just want to have some blood in the streets of TL City, not this passive aggressive / circlejerk crap :<
;~: i hope the chinese scene comes out of this
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