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On December 17 2014 05:35 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 04:49 ANLProbe wrote:On December 16 2014 01:20 Philozovic wrote:
There is only one candidate !
Mvp was scary not only because he won but because it felt that he could win just by showing up and feel like it.
He had that aura of invincibility that only one player ever match.
And that player is life. When he was at his peak it was like the kid just couldn't go down. Even down 0-3 against DRG I was worried for the Dong. Think about it he got 2nd at TSL4 and then won GSL MLG MLG blizzcup Ironsquid in the span of 6 months ....
Undefeated in BO5+ LAN for 19 matchs (that's more than 13 MONTHS !!!) only being defeated by Taeja the 20th time.
Then the battle is for third place between BOGUS (who needs to win and not just be frightening) and Taeja (who needs to prove himself in Korea).
MC is by far the most over rated player in the history of the game. Suicide toss is at a mediocre 52% all time against korean and that drops to a pathetic 44% offline in hearth of the swarm. His name should not even be mention here.
Zest and soO well they kind of need to qualify first before winning something .... To be fair, Life hasn't exactly done very well in GSL since 2013 (when Zerg wasn't overpowered). He has only made it to the ro8 or higher once and that was this year S1. Beeing mvp like is not just about the result it's about beeing feared, it's about making the other guy shaking and shiting in his pant. Life was so scary, just remember that one dreamhack where he was eliminated by Sjow, everyone one thought he had tourney won before it even starts. No one inspired as much fear !
Well that tournament wasn't exactly stacked.
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your Country52798 Posts
On December 17 2014 05:36 ANLProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 05:35 Philozovic wrote:On December 17 2014 04:49 ANLProbe wrote:On December 16 2014 01:20 Philozovic wrote:
There is only one candidate !
Mvp was scary not only because he won but because it felt that he could win just by showing up and feel like it.
He had that aura of invincibility that only one player ever match.
And that player is life. When he was at his peak it was like the kid just couldn't go down. Even down 0-3 against DRG I was worried for the Dong. Think about it he got 2nd at TSL4 and then won GSL MLG MLG blizzcup Ironsquid in the span of 6 months ....
Undefeated in BO5+ LAN for 19 matchs (that's more than 13 MONTHS !!!) only being defeated by Taeja the 20th time.
Then the battle is for third place between BOGUS (who needs to win and not just be frightening) and Taeja (who needs to prove himself in Korea).
MC is by far the most over rated player in the history of the game. Suicide toss is at a mediocre 52% all time against korean and that drops to a pathetic 44% offline in hearth of the swarm. His name should not even be mention here.
Zest and soO well they kind of need to qualify first before winning something .... To be fair, Life hasn't exactly done very well in GSL since 2013 (when Zerg wasn't overpowered). He has only made it to the ro8 or higher once and that was this year S1. Beeing mvp like is not just about the result it's about beeing feared, it's about making the other guy shaking and shiting in his pant. Life was so scary, just remember that one dreamhack where he was eliminated by Sjow, everyone one thought he had tourney won before it even starts. No one inspired as much fear ! Well that tournament wasn't exactly stacked.
There was actually a poll about this.
http://www.teamliquid.net/poll/index.php?poll_id=584
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Quite frankly, I find someone who is only ranked masters with 202 total sc2 career games under their belt, calling players like MC and Taeja "weak" to be laughable. Keep your head in the sand stuchiu, your peanut gallery comments do you more disservice than your battlenet profile. =D
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Austria24422 Posts
I couldn't agree more, all stuchiu does is 10pool people
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Mute City2363 Posts
On December 18 2014 01:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I couldn't agree more, all stuchiu does is 10pool people
stuchiu vs MarineKing showmatch needed
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Only thing that matters is the Marine throne, and we know who's sitting on it.
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After reading this article , I'm hyped as fuck ! thanks for it !
In my perfect fantasy world , mvp will come out in the next season of GSL , crush everyone and win it all , then do it again for season 3......but again its a fantasy world or could it be.....a lotv prophecy ????? XD
Being real now , I got eyes set on Taeja and in my heart im hoping for Maru or MarineKing to do some heavy damage ( yes I root for terrans  )
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I read this article on my phone and about 3 paragraphs in, I was like "Taeja is one definitely the one". I'd replace MC with Rain imo.
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Great article. I've been keeping my own list of the best all-time StarCraft II players because I'm a nerd like that and love this sort of thing. Personally, I don't think MVP will be surpassed.
TaeJa has more Premier wins and more Top-4 finishes, but with no GSLs, he's a far cry from surpassing The King of Wings. He'd need at least two GSL wins to even be in the conversation in my opinion.
MC has more earnings and top-4 finishes but I don't see him winning any more GSLs anytime soon. He's a huge underdog to even win a Premier tournament these days.
Nestea has long been irrelevant.
Zest needs to prove he's not going to be a one-year wonder like Soulkey and Dear, but even if he keeps up his consistency, he has some work to do.
Really the best shot comes from Life. He's already up there in Premier wins, earnings, Triple Crowns, etc. If he wins another GSL or two, things get interesting...
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This article was a nice piece of hype building but it brushed over the current GSL champion Innovation... If there's a T that can consistently win in Korea this year, it's him. He's got the motivation, the form, the team and the experience needed.
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On January 19 2015 11:15 Ghanburighan wrote:
This article was a nice piece of hype building but it brushed over the current GSL champion Innovation... If there's a T that can consistently win in Korea this year, it's him. He's got the motivation, the form, the team and the experience needed.
I don't really think Innovation has what it takes to become the next Mvp.
Innovation is too much like Flash, playes too standard, is slow to change.
Sure he may be the best player when it comes to mechanics, but Mvp was much more than that, not only he could be best the mechanical player with greath micro and near perfect macro, he was also one of the smartest players to ever play, even when he couldn't defeat players with his hands, he was able to defeat them with his brain
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On January 19 2015 11:15 Ghanburighan wrote:
This article was a nice piece of hype building but it brushed over the current GSL champion Innovation... If there's a T that can consistently win in Korea this year, it's him. He's got the motivation, the form, the team and the experience needed.
Innovation would have to be on that list.
In hindsight, I guess Dear has a good shot too, given his recent performance.
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I legitimately don't understand how people who follow SC2 closely can consistently rate Taeja so high. There are tournaments in Korea where the best players play. Taeja doesn't win them. Taeja has had many more opportunities to play in Premier tournaments than the players who play in the competitive tournaments. Because of that, he wins more often. He also has had more practice with the different formats. So he wins at a higher clip as well.
I can't read these darn articles any more. I feel like I'm going crazy!!! I feel like people are going to look back on HOTS and consider Taeja the best Terran. And I'm going to be sitting in the corner talking to myself!!!
He's an amazing player. He has a wonderful style. Every terran should copy him on ladder because of the way he plays. But is simply disqualified from being considered the best. Uck.Of course that's my opinion. And I get that people can differ. But it's weird how he ALWAYS shows up. It's like everyone is using some bizarre criteria and it makes sense to them but not to me.So strange for me.
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Mvp will always be my favorite, it's hard to see him fade into irrelevance, especially because of injury.
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On January 19 2015 12:00 -_- wrote:
I legitimately don't understand how people who follow SC2 closely can consistently rate Taeja so high. There are tournaments in Korea where the best players play. Taeja doesn't win them. Taeja has had many more opportunities to play in Premier tournaments than the players who play in the competitive tournaments. Because of that, he wins more often. He also has had more practice with the different formats. So he wins at a higher clip as well.
I can't read these darn articles any more. I feel like I'm going crazy!!! I feel like people are going to look back on HOTS and consider Taeja the best Terran. And I'm going to be sitting in the corner talking to myself!!!
He's an amazing player. He has a wonderful style. Every terran should copy him on ladder because of the way he plays. But is simply disqualified from being considered the best. Uck.Of course that's my opinion. And I get that people can differ. But it's weird how he ALWAYS shows up. It's like everyone is using some bizarre criteria and it makes sense to them but not to me.So strange for me.
He's really hard to judge though.
2012-13 (WoL) his GSL runs were: quarterfinals, quarterfinals, semifinals, Ro32, semifinals. And he won 3 Premier titles in that year. At this point, he was probably the best Terran in the world, only challenged by an upcoming Innovation and an downfalling Mvp.
Then in HotS he went through the group stages of the GSL again in S1, only being surpassed by Innovation and Bomber.
That's it, he left the GSL voluntarily. He wasn't defeated, he just went to WCS America and won 8 Premier titles 2013-2014, many of them against top-GSL players (though he didn't win WCS AM).
I agree that he is probably not the best Terran in the world, but it's really hard to argue he is not one of the very best. This GSL/NSSL is the first time we have seen him in this sort of tournament for a long time. And though he dropped out early in both, the article was written before that but after he qualified for both (I believe). And even then... soO and Zest both didn't even qualify. Even just falling out of those tournaments early isn't that indicative of not being at the top imo, though obviously you are currently not the #1 player.
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The Premier count is a red herring, since the list of Premier tournaments is more or less just a convention, with no real criteria about quality of competition. That said Taeja has won some very hard tournaments and is among the most skilled, but using Premier count to argue for his position is meaningless without breaking down his wins on a case by case basis.
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On January 19 2015 12:00 -_- wrote:
I legitimately don't understand how people who follow SC2 closely can consistently rate Taeja so high. There are tournaments in Korea where the best players play. Taeja doesn't win them. Taeja has had many more opportunities to play in Premier tournaments than the players who play in the competitive tournaments. Because of that, he wins more often. He also has had more practice with the different formats. So he wins at a higher clip as well.
I can't read these darn articles any more. I feel like I'm going crazy!!! I feel like people are going to look back on HOTS and consider Taeja the best Terran. And I'm going to be sitting in the corner talking to myself!!!
He's an amazing player. He has a wonderful style. Every terran should copy him on ladder because of the way he plays. But is simply disqualified from being considered the best. Uck.Of course that's my opinion. And I get that people can differ. But it's weird how he ALWAYS shows up. It's like everyone is using some bizarre criteria and it makes sense to them but not to me.So strange for me.
I am in the same boat bro.
I like Taeja, and he is a great player, but I honestly don't see the hype around him.
Innovation, MVP, and even Flash are just as good, and maybe better.
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On January 19 2015 12:05 forsooth wrote:
Mvp will always be my favorite, it's hard to see him fade into irrelevance, especially because of injury.
Yeah, I really like seeing really dominant players (like Flash in BW, or Mvp for SC2) as it usually means that there is a clear difference in skill, and that skill is being represented accurately. Though, while skill obviously matters in SC2, I would say towards the top, the randomness starts to play a bigger and bigger role in the game, lowering the quality of the matches.
But I will always appreciate Mvp for his dominance in WoL era.
In regards to Taeja, I've always thought of him as a top Terran, with a real knack for weekend LAN events. But there have only been a few moments where I thought "Taeja is most definitely the best Terran right now" and those moments have never lasted that extremely long. Comparing a weekend tournament that has maybe 8-16 top-tier players in it to a fully Korean tournament with ~every top-tier player in it with the players practicing almost entirely for it (GSL) is just a bit silly. Taeja needs to win some GSL's before he can hold the title of "Best Terran ever" in SC2. While I wouldn't say Innovation has reached that state either, I'd say Innovation has better odds of reaching it at this point, and I also think that Innovation looked quite a bit better than Taeja during their primes.
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I still say that MC and Mvp are the Bonjwa's of SC2, followed closely by Taeja...
That is right you doubters,,,MC. Infact I don't even need to put up arguements to back my picking...MC's liquipedia page speaks of his Bonjwa status in both $$$ and wins.
Now he is back in GSL and topped his round of 32 group - who else has been playing as long as him and still has his level of play??? FARKN NO ONE!
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On January 19 2015 12:51 AxiomBlurr wrote:
I still say that MC and Mvp are the Bonjwa's of SC2, followed closely by Taeja...
That is right you doubters,,,MC. Infact I don't even need to put up arguements to back my picking...MC's liquipedia page speaks of his Bonjwa status in both $$$ and wins.
Now he is back in GSL and topped his round of 32 group - who else has been playing as long as him and still has his level of play??? FARKN NO ONE!
I'll give him a bit of credit if he can get to Ro8 in this GSL. He looked alright in his group, but he's still got to prove himself as a top-tier player in a Korean tournament again.
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