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Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
December 13 2014 11:01 GMT
#181
Go Life. Also MC.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
December 13 2014 11:25 GMT
#182
On December 13 2014 18:18 p14c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 19:44 Zealously wrote:
On December 12 2014 19:05 p14c wrote:
MVP got lucky. He was dominant in a period when the best players were still playing BW. It all depends if Lotv comes with gimmicky units or not like Hots.


The best players like Life, Taeja, San, Parting, Marineking, MC? There's a long list of players that were nothing or didnt even play in Brood War that have won tournaments since the KESPA switch, so this argument holds little merit

After Kespa switch, GSL is like 90% Kespa players and almost all champions are ex-Broodwar players. (Maru is the only one non-Kespa that won after the full switch).
All those players did not do that well in Korea and this is why they travel outside where they don't even need to qualify. They are just invited. Look at Taeja, he tried to qualified for IEM Toronto and Kespa Cup and he failed in the first rounds. It's not easy to qualify in Korea. Life also end up in Code B in 2014..
It was much easier for MVP to be dominant, when the game was fresh and the most experienced RTS players were still playing BW.


Since Zest and SoO didn't qualify for SSL does that mean that they are bad players? Tons of great players didn't qualify for KeSPA cup. Also Taeja didn't even attempt to qualify for IEM Toronto since he was already invited.
Go TAEJA
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 13 2014 15:10 GMT
#183
On December 13 2014 18:38 Plexa wrote:
^ Taeja just qualified for Ro32 in SSL fyi


It's ok, soO and Zest quali....oh guess not.
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
December 13 2014 15:18 GMT
#184
i feel like taeja is the only one of these guys who doesn't need to claim Mvp's throne. he established his own kingdom, hs own legacy that is just as impressive.

that said, i have a feeling that he doesn't mind claiming another kingdom
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
December 13 2014 16:56 GMT
#185
It's a shame Mvp fell off due to his health. He would be absolutely untouchable if he remained relevant for a little bit longer.

MC got no chance to take the throne. He's not only the weakest link of these 4, he's also the weakest player to be considered a top Korean.

Zest or soO will probably win hella lot of stuff in 2015, depending on who balance favors. Taeja will perform regardless of balance.
Trizztein
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada45 Posts
December 13 2014 17:05 GMT
#186
On December 14 2014 01:56 mechengineer123 wrote:
It's a shame Mvp fell off due to his health. He would be absolutely untouchable if he remained relevant for a little bit longer.

MC got no chance to take the throne. He's not only the weakest link of these 4, he's also the weakest player to be considered a top Korean.

Zest or soO will probably win hella lot of stuff in 2015, depending on who balance favors. Taeja will perform regardless of balance.


Totally agreed :D
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
December 13 2014 17:07 GMT
#187
On December 14 2014 01:56 mechengineer123 wrote:
Taeja will perform regardless of balance.


The one true constant of esports. All hail Taeja the unbalanceable!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 13 2014 17:07 GMT
#188
On December 14 2014 00:10 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 18:38 Plexa wrote:
^ Taeja just qualified for Ro32 in SSL fyi


It's ok, soO and Zest quali....oh guess not.


and he won a god damn Leifeng Cup!

no really: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Leifeng_Cup/Monthly/2
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Trizztein
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada45 Posts
December 13 2014 17:17 GMT
#189
On December 13 2014 11:06 Yakikorosu wrote:
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On December 13 2014 10:56 Trizztein wrote:
Great stuff. 2015 hype all the way. I love these articles that give us a view on SC history/competitive scene as a whole, with the changes in dynamics brought by the way Blizzard approaches the game. These team houses are such war machines, it's quite amazing. And how just a few players still managed to gain overall better successes than others. Shouldn't MMa have been mentioned at least once, though? Isn't he the only one to have made 2 blizzcon finals?


No one has made it to 2 Blizzcon finals.

Blizzcon finals have been:

2010: Genius vs Loner
2011: Mvp vs NesTea
2012: PartinG vs Creator
2013: sOs vs Jaedong
2014: Life vs MMA

MMA won a GSL finals in 2011 that was PLAYED on location AT Blizzcon, but it was not the Blizzcon finals.


Oh well ... Ty for getting my facts straight.
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-13 17:29:37
December 13 2014 17:28 GMT
#190
On December 14 2014 02:07 Jazzman88 wrote:
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On December 14 2014 01:56 mechengineer123 wrote:
Taeja will perform regardless of balance.


The one true constant of esports. All hail Taeja the unbalanceable!


it's cause he's bad at tvt

so when terran gets nerfed he gets better results. well he's not bad, he's still taeja, but it's by far his worst matchup.
Thyrym
Profile Joined December 2013
89 Posts
December 14 2014 00:04 GMT
#191
If Zest can fix PvT i think he can do well in 2015...
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
December 14 2014 00:09 GMT
#192
On December 14 2014 09:04 Thyrym wrote:
If Zest can fix PvT i think he can do well in 2015...


If Zest played PvT more like a hybrid of Parting and MC, he'd be unstoppable and could probably take this throne we're discussing.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
December 14 2014 01:54 GMT
#193
On December 14 2014 09:04 Thyrym wrote:
If Zest can fix PvT i think he can do well in 2015...

if sOs didnt take so long to perfect his build he can do well in 2015
if DRG could go back 3 years in the past so his reflexes are good he can do well in 2015
if soO...
if....

see what I mean? ifs are nice and all, but the reality is that having fantastical thoughts about players wont really amount to anything
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Thyrym
Profile Joined December 2013
89 Posts
December 14 2014 03:28 GMT
#194
On December 14 2014 10:54 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 09:04 Thyrym wrote:
If Zest can fix PvT i think he can do well in 2015...

if sOs didnt take so long to perfect his build he can do well in 2015
if DRG could go back 3 years in the past so his reflexes are good he can do well in 2015
if soO...
if....

see what I mean? ifs are nice and all, but the reality is that having fantastical thoughts about players wont really amount to anything


But this thread is kinda a '' if '' thread... And to be honest it amount to hype
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
December 14 2014 04:02 GMT
#195
On December 14 2014 10:54 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 09:04 Thyrym wrote:
If Zest can fix PvT i think he can do well in 2015...

if sOs didnt take so long to perfect his build he can do well in 2015
if DRG could go back 3 years in the past so his reflexes are good he can do well in 2015
if soO...
if....

see what I mean? ifs are nice and all, but the reality is that having fantastical thoughts about players wont really amount to anything


Yeah if Mvp didn't lose in the Ro32, get sent to Code A, then lose in the Ro32 again he would have been a bonjwa.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 05:47:51
December 14 2014 05:47 GMT
#196
On December 14 2014 13:02 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 10:54 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 14 2014 09:04 Thyrym wrote:
If Zest can fix PvT i think he can do well in 2015...

if sOs didnt take so long to perfect his build he can do well in 2015
if DRG could go back 3 years in the past so his reflexes are good he can do well in 2015
if soO...
if....

see what I mean? ifs are nice and all, but the reality is that having fantastical thoughts about players wont really amount to anything


Yeah if Mvp didn't lose in the Ro32, get sent to Code A, then lose in the Ro32 again he would have been a bonjwa.


If I won 5 G5Ls I'd be a bonjwa... am I doing this right?
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
December 14 2014 07:01 GMT
#197
On December 14 2014 13:02 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 10:54 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 14 2014 09:04 Thyrym wrote:
If Zest can fix PvT i think he can do well in 2015...

if sOs didnt take so long to perfect his build he can do well in 2015
if DRG could go back 3 years in the past so his reflexes are good he can do well in 2015
if soO...
if....

see what I mean? ifs are nice and all, but the reality is that having fantastical thoughts about players wont really amount to anything


Yeah if Mvp didn't lose in the Ro32, get sent to Code A, then lose in the Ro32 again he would have been a bonjwa.

well, in his gsl final against life, mvp was playing with a broken wrist, against the 2nd best sc2 player of all times who was in his feared "destruction mode", at a time when bl/infestor was already a popular and mapped out, yet totally broken strategy ... which life exploited to the fullest at the end of that finals - and despite all those obstacles, mvp only lost it sooo narrowly. he was literally milliseconds (game6) from claiming his G5L under all those adverse circumstances combined. he was milliseconds away from claiming the throne forever. that would truly have been legendary.... but then we wouldnt have had the chance to read this fantastic article.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
December 14 2014 07:44 GMT
#198
On December 14 2014 16:01 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 13:02 Cheren wrote:
On December 14 2014 10:54 Cricketer12 wrote:
On December 14 2014 09:04 Thyrym wrote:
If Zest can fix PvT i think he can do well in 2015...

if sOs didnt take so long to perfect his build he can do well in 2015
if DRG could go back 3 years in the past so his reflexes are good he can do well in 2015
if soO...
if....

see what I mean? ifs are nice and all, but the reality is that having fantastical thoughts about players wont really amount to anything


Yeah if Mvp didn't lose in the Ro32, get sent to Code A, then lose in the Ro32 again he would have been a bonjwa.

well, in his gsl final against life, mvp was playing with a broken wrist, against the 2nd best sc2 player of all times who was in his feared "destruction mode", at a time when bl/infestor was already a popular and mapped out, yet totally broken strategy ... which life exploited to the fullest at the end of that finals - and despite all those obstacles, mvp only lost it sooo narrowly. he was literally milliseconds (game6) from claiming his G5L under all those adverse circumstances combined. he was milliseconds away from claiming the throne forever. that would truly have been legendary.... but then we wouldnt have had the chance to read this fantastic article.


the fact that people were going to call someone a bonjwa who went out in ro16 between 2 titles is, i don't know what to say. and he won 3 gsls and an invitational with 8 foreigners that people call a gsl.
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
December 14 2014 07:53 GMT
#199
On December 14 2014 01:56 mechengineer123 wrote:
Zest or soO will probably win hella lot of stuff in 2015, depending on who balance favors. Taeja will perform regardless of balance.


I think herO will replace Zest as the best protoss now that the game is less protoss-dominated, a large part of Zest's success was his ability to almost always win PvP, while herO is great in other matchups and just ok at PvP. Players who are weakest at their mirror (like Taeja) always do best when their race is at its worst.
ukiya2004
Profile Joined March 2014
199 Posts
December 14 2014 11:52 GMT
#200
i really hope LOTV wont be released for another 2 years or so... we've just gone to the somewhat balanced stage of HOTS (zerg is a lil weaker atm i think).... i want to see more good HOTS and hopefully a bonjwa will appear
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