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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
December 01 2014 09:06 GMT
#161
If you want to become a writer you should bribe lichter with a jar of mayonnaise.

He loves that shit
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
December 01 2014 09:12 GMT
#162
On November 29 2014 12:43 lichter wrote:
Note: We won't be accepting more than one protoss, because we have a lot of those already

Damn....I play protoss guess I remain unemployed :'(
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
December 01 2014 09:20 GMT
#163
On December 01 2014 18:12 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 12:43 lichter wrote:
Note: We won't be accepting more than one protoss, because we have a lot of those already

Damn....I play protoss guess I remain unemployed :'(


it could be you
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 01 2014 09:31 GMT
#164
Alright, not gonna have the time to apply now I think (not enough time to pull an article or two...).

So for SC2, we can email Plexa anytime, right?
LiquipediaWanderer
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
December 01 2014 09:44 GMT
#165
Maybe if this was 5-7 years ago when I did eSports writeups and had tons of time while unfortunately pushing school to the side. Even then, a volunteer position over a paid position, even if it is for a premier coverage site really takes selfless passion.
hope for the best and most willing applicants to apply and be selected! More great coverage is only a good thing.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 10:28:28
December 01 2014 09:54 GMT
#166
On December 01 2014 18:31 Ragnarork wrote:
Alright, not gonna have the time to apply now I think (not enough time to pull an article or two...).

So for SC2, we can email Plexa anytime, right?

Either Plexa or any of the three EiCs

Zealously@teamliquid.net
lichter@teamliquid.net
Olli@teamliquid.net
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rikapi
Profile Joined January 2014
United States63 Posts
December 01 2014 10:07 GMT
#167
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:

i will expect to die of intestinal cookie explosion when i go to blizzcon 2015


you mean like BaseTradeTV's Rifkin this year? :D
saving e-sports one Carbot cookie at a time :D
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 01 2014 11:13 GMT
#168
On December 01 2014 19:07 rikapi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:

i will expect to die of intestinal cookie explosion when i go to blizzcon 2015


you mean like BaseTradeTV's Rifkin this year? :D


aside from being a scrawny asian man, sure
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
December 01 2014 11:22 GMT
#169
Going to apply soon. I hope to improve my english ç_____________ç
Vasacast always in my <3
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 19:56:20
December 01 2014 19:52 GMT
#170
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 16:51 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 29 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Guys why don't writers get paid?


Because TL knows they can snap their fingers and get people to write for free every time they make such a post. They should kickstarter it like hot bid did so writers can get paid. This is why I find hotbid's kickstarter hilarious. For years he trumpeted the fact that writing for TL is such a privilege that no payment was needed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, heck no will he write esportsexpress for free. Nope he's got to get paid through kickstarter before he will lift a finger to write. Can't even be mad at hotbid for that because he's no sucker that will work for free.


Hot_Bid didn't for free



I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I guess I should have made it more clear that I meant all the writers not named hotbid/waxangel were the unpaid writers I was talking about and hotbid justified their unpaid status every time one of these recruiting posts were made.

I'm well aware that TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees like Rich, heyoka, that store dude, etc. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter.

I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
December 01 2014 19:55 GMT
#171
I love how this gets brought up every single time.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 01 2014 19:57 GMT
#172
On December 02 2014 04:52 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
On December 01 2014 16:51 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 29 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Guys why don't writers get paid?


Because TL knows they can snap their fingers and get people to write for free every time they make such a post. They should kickstarter it like hot bid did so writers can get paid. This is why I find hotbid's kickstarter hilarious. For years he trumpeted the fact that writing for TL is such a privilege that no payment was needed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, heck no will he write esportsexpress for free. Nope he's got to get paid through kickstarter before he will lift a finger to write. Can't even be mad at hotbid for that because he's no sucker that will work for free.


Hot_Bid didn't for free



I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I know TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter.

I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports.


But he did work for free for a long time, and there is a world of difference between running your own site (especially if you plan on living off it - you can't actually live without getting paid) and writing, for example, on TL. The situations are different. Obviously I'd love to get paid, but not getting paid doesn't bother me or anyone else doing this for free.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 01 2014 19:59 GMT
#173
If you are interested in contributing, here's how you can apply. Send an email with the title "TL Graphics Application" and the following content to recruitment@teamliquid.net.

Brief introduction of yourself, your graphics background, and list of artistic skills.
Portfolio of your work.
An example of a piece you would do for TeamLiquid.net. This can be artwork for a news post (any league, past or present, real or fictional), a mock up version of any website feature (sidebar, forums, liquibet, icons, etc), any kind of short video, or something totally outside the box.
Please put Graphic Designer or whatever you feel best describes your profile in the subject line.


Are these not the same thing?
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
December 01 2014 20:00 GMT
#174
On December 02 2014 04:57 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 04:52 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
On December 01 2014 16:51 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 29 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Guys why don't writers get paid?


Because TL knows they can snap their fingers and get people to write for free every time they make such a post. They should kickstarter it like hot bid did so writers can get paid. This is why I find hotbid's kickstarter hilarious. For years he trumpeted the fact that writing for TL is such a privilege that no payment was needed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, heck no will he write esportsexpress for free. Nope he's got to get paid through kickstarter before he will lift a finger to write. Can't even be mad at hotbid for that because he's no sucker that will work for free.


Hot_Bid didn't for free



I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I know TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter.

I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports.


Obviously I'd love to get paid, but not getting paid doesn't bother me or anyone else doing this for free.


Sure, but that's why it's a catch 22. You have no problem writing for free, but you devalue writing positions for everyone else by accepting volunteer work because everyone in esports expect people to write for free. However, esports isn't big enough to pay everyone for writing so there is no shortage of people willing to write for free, but then because of that there's also no incentive to pay people for writing.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 01 2014 20:01 GMT
#175
I can't make graphics, I play at a below high level, I don't have the patience for writing a proper piece...

T_T
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 20:07:54
December 01 2014 20:04 GMT
#176
On December 02 2014 04:52 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
On December 01 2014 16:51 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 29 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Guys why don't writers get paid?


Because TL knows they can snap their fingers and get people to write for free every time they make such a post. They should kickstarter it like hot bid did so writers can get paid. This is why I find hotbid's kickstarter hilarious. For years he trumpeted the fact that writing for TL is such a privilege that no payment was needed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, heck no will he write esportsexpress for free. Nope he's got to get paid through kickstarter before he will lift a finger to write. Can't even be mad at hotbid for that because he's no sucker that will work for free.


Hot_Bid didn't for free



I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I guess I should have made it more clear that I meant all the writers not named hotbid/waxangel were the unpaid writers I was talking about and hotbid justified their unpaid status every time one of these recruiting posts were made.

I'm well aware that TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees like Rich, heyoka, that store dude, etc. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter.

I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports.


It sounds like misdirected anger. You're angry at those who take advantage (malicious or not) of a willing community: financially or through effort/interest.

Also, you're only sucker for writing for free if you find no personal interest/value/advantage/worth. I only wrote for free if I felt I was learning something and it improved my CV. Nothing wrong with that and if that's what motivated me back then, then godspeed (and to those who think similarly).

I did a lot of things for free, but I always made sure I could take something from it and, in turn, it got me a lot of mainstream opportunities in an industry (gaming and eSports) that would otherwise be difficult to enter without prior applicable experience + results and/or a specific programming degree (computer science - I have Sociology).

eSports journalism is devalued because of two issues: 1. target audience have varying levels of interest/attention spans (video over text, etc. -- this is normal) and 2. the quality of writing and subjects are pretty awful/shock value/controversy. But honestly, that's an article in of itself.


I feel like someone should write a series of "how to get into eSports/working in the gaming industry from eSports" and take anecdotes/experiences from a variety of people of different fields, levels, work.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 20:20:18
December 01 2014 20:16 GMT
#177
On December 02 2014 05:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 04:52 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
On December 01 2014 16:51 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 29 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Guys why don't writers get paid?


Because TL knows they can snap their fingers and get people to write for free every time they make such a post. They should kickstarter it like hot bid did so writers can get paid. This is why I find hotbid's kickstarter hilarious. For years he trumpeted the fact that writing for TL is such a privilege that no payment was needed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, heck no will he write esportsexpress for free. Nope he's got to get paid through kickstarter before he will lift a finger to write. Can't even be mad at hotbid for that because he's no sucker that will work for free.


Hot_Bid didn't for free



I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I guess I should have made it more clear that I meant all the writers not named hotbid/waxangel were the unpaid writers I was talking about and hotbid justified their unpaid status every time one of these recruiting posts were made.

I'm well aware that TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees like Rich, heyoka, that store dude, etc. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter.

I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports.


It sounds like misdirected anger. You're angry at those who take advantage (malicious or not) of a willing community: financially or through effort/interest.


Nah, I'm not angry since I'm not a writer so have no skin in this game. I just feel that as a main popular site it's kind of inexcusable for TL not to pay writers even if it's just a nominal amount. If a site like TL won't take the lead in paying writers, then it's pretty bleak for everyone else. Do not misconstrue criticism for actual anger. Real anger will be if parting cheeses mkp out of hot six tonight!

I agree with you that volunteer work is only one of the reasons why writing is devalued and there are lots of reasons like you mentioned such as short attention spans, preference for video, etc. That's why I thought ongamers was good because they made it a point to pay writers.....but then reddit killed them. R.I.P. Ongamers!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 01 2014 20:18 GMT
#178
On December 02 2014 05:16 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 05:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On December 02 2014 04:52 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
On December 01 2014 16:51 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 29 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Guys why don't writers get paid?


Because TL knows they can snap their fingers and get people to write for free every time they make such a post. They should kickstarter it like hot bid did so writers can get paid. This is why I find hotbid's kickstarter hilarious. For years he trumpeted the fact that writing for TL is such a privilege that no payment was needed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, heck no will he write esportsexpress for free. Nope he's got to get paid through kickstarter before he will lift a finger to write. Can't even be mad at hotbid for that because he's no sucker that will work for free.


Hot_Bid didn't for free



I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I guess I should have made it more clear that I meant all the writers not named hotbid/waxangel were the unpaid writers I was talking about and hotbid justified their unpaid status every time one of these recruiting posts were made.

I'm well aware that TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees like Rich, heyoka, that store dude, etc. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter.

I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports.


It sounds like misdirected anger. You're angry at those who take advantage (malicious or not) of a willing community: financially or through effort/interest.


Nah, I'm not angry since I'm not a writer so have no skin in this game. I just feel that as a main popular site it's kind of inexcusable for TL not to pay writers even if it's just a nominal amount. If a site like TL won't take the lead in paying writers, then it's pretty bleak for everyone else.

I agree with you that volunteer work is only one of the reasons why writing is devalued and there are lots of reasons like you mentioned such as short attention spans, preference for video, etc. That's why I thought ongamers was good because they made it a point to pay writers.....but then reddit killed them. R.I.P. Ongamers!


Like I've said about 37 times elsewhere, we do receive perks - some of them significant. We just don't actually get cash for our efforts.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 20:30:52
December 01 2014 20:26 GMT
#179
On December 02 2014 05:16 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 05:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On December 02 2014 04:52 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
On December 01 2014 16:51 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 29 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Guys why don't writers get paid?


Because TL knows they can snap their fingers and get people to write for free every time they make such a post. They should kickstarter it like hot bid did so writers can get paid. This is why I find hotbid's kickstarter hilarious. For years he trumpeted the fact that writing for TL is such a privilege that no payment was needed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, heck no will he write esportsexpress for free. Nope he's got to get paid through kickstarter before he will lift a finger to write. Can't even be mad at hotbid for that because he's no sucker that will work for free.


Hot_Bid didn't for free



I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I guess I should have made it more clear that I meant all the writers not named hotbid/waxangel were the unpaid writers I was talking about and hotbid justified their unpaid status every time one of these recruiting posts were made.

I'm well aware that TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees like Rich, heyoka, that store dude, etc. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter.

I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports.


It sounds like misdirected anger. You're angry at those who take advantage (malicious or not) of a willing community: financially or through effort/interest.


Nah, I'm not angry since I'm not a writer so have no skin in this game. I just feel that as a main popular site it's kind of inexcusable for TL not to pay writers even if it's just a nominal amount. If a site like TL won't take the lead in paying writers, then it's pretty bleak for everyone else. Do not misconstrue criticism for actual anger. Real anger will be if parting cheeses mkp out of hot six tonight!

I agree with you that volunteer work is only one of the reasons why writing is devalued and there are lots of reasons like you mentioned such as short attention spans, preference for video, etc. That's why I thought ongamers was good because they made it a point to pay writers.....but then reddit killed them. R.I.P. Ongamers!


I mean, the way you wrote it came off as if you're proud that you didn't get tricked or something. Maybe it was just your initial emotions when you wrote it or it's me.

I think before you go after TeamLiquid, you should go after companies that makes products and don't pay their writers: Blizzard Entertainment, Razor for starters (. Even Riot Games pays by commission and Red Bull. I guess comparison is a poor excuse but in the end but the original argument stands in that their approach in attracting writers is still working.

I think OnGamers is a different subject that I won't touch on to be frank. Too much to be said!

http://www.razerzone.com/team/volunteers




To add, TL fosters a community and then cycles that community following and interest into a willing crew to contribute. I think that perspective is justified. It's not like they're leeching off the eSports scene but specifically targeting their own community members to see if they'd like to do and be more with what makes this site and community so great.

As opposed to other companies/sites that simply want to take advantage of a community without establishing any foundation, personal footing or connection with that community.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
December 01 2014 20:35 GMT
#180
On December 02 2014 05:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 05:16 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 02 2014 05:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On December 02 2014 04:52 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 01 2014 17:07 lichter wrote:
On December 01 2014 16:51 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 29 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Guys why don't writers get paid?


Because TL knows they can snap their fingers and get people to write for free every time they make such a post. They should kickstarter it like hot bid did so writers can get paid. This is why I find hotbid's kickstarter hilarious. For years he trumpeted the fact that writing for TL is such a privilege that no payment was needed. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, heck no will he write esportsexpress for free. Nope he's got to get paid through kickstarter before he will lift a finger to write. Can't even be mad at hotbid for that because he's no sucker that will work for free.


Hot_Bid didn't for free



I know hot bid didn't write for free, hence why I said now that the shoe is on the other foot he won't write for free. I guess I should have made it more clear that I meant all the writers not named hotbid/waxangel were the unpaid writers I was talking about and hotbid justified their unpaid status every time one of these recruiting posts were made.

I'm well aware that TL is a mostly volunteer run site with only a handful of paid employees like Rich, heyoka, that store dude, etc. The issue is he's fine with writers not getting paid as long as that writer isn't himself! I don't have issue with hotbid paying himself for esportsexpress, but he should do it through sponsors/ads or other means than begging all the gaming communities to pay him through kickstarter.

I think people who write for free for TL are suckers and it's one of the reasons why esports journalism/writing is so devalued because everyone expects people to write for free for status/experience that there are very few paid writing positions in esports.


It sounds like misdirected anger. You're angry at those who take advantage (malicious or not) of a willing community: financially or through effort/interest.


Nah, I'm not angry since I'm not a writer so have no skin in this game. I just feel that as a main popular site it's kind of inexcusable for TL not to pay writers even if it's just a nominal amount. If a site like TL won't take the lead in paying writers, then it's pretty bleak for everyone else. Do not misconstrue criticism for actual anger. Real anger will be if parting cheeses mkp out of hot six tonight!

I agree with you that volunteer work is only one of the reasons why writing is devalued and there are lots of reasons like you mentioned such as short attention spans, preference for video, etc. That's why I thought ongamers was good because they made it a point to pay writers.....but then reddit killed them. R.I.P. Ongamers!


I think before you go after TeamLiquid, you should go after companies that makes products and don't pay their writers: Blizzard Entertainment, Razor for starters (. Even Riot Games pays by commission and Red Bull. I guess comparison is a poor excuse but in the end but the original argument stands in that their approach in attracting writers is still working.


Sure, I take issues with those other companies as well which is why I also stated generalities about everyone in esports expecting people to write for free. This thread is about TL looking for volunteers though, but I have no issue calling out razor, etc if you wish since those are equally as bad.
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