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Road to BlizzCon #16 - KT.Zest - WCS 2014

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Road to BlizzCon #16 - KT.Zest - WCS 2014

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
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October 31st, 2014 15:41 GMT

Photo Credit: Daily eSportsProtoss
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Zest

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The Hierophant

by DarkLordOlli

Over three years ago, a certain article about elephants caused a huge uproar in the community because of its cold, hard hitting message: "The competition thus far has been a farce." Not only did it claim that SC2's beloved champions would be replaced in time, it even declared them lazy, spoiled and unmotivated. When KeSPA and its teams would switch to SC2, they would inevitably dominate the scene sooner or later. Legends like Flash, Jaedong and Bisu would ride their talent to more championships even in a different game; KeSPA's assembly line would not be stopped. Fast forward to 2014 and you will realize that the elephant-prophecy hasn't been entirely wrong. Even though Brood War's greatest players haven't reached the same heights in StarCraft II, the Korean scene is now under KeSPA's control. 29 of the 32 professionals in Code S were members of a KeSPA team when Season 3 began. Teams that formerly refused to submit to KeSPA's rule have now been integrated into their institution. The eSports Federation (eSF) has disbanded and its dispersed members all follow new morals. All is perfect in the world of KeSPA.

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It has long since been known that KeSPA's rigorous practice environment—one that almost resembles a military training camp from an outsider's perspective—bears fruit frequently. Brood War was packed with incredibly talented professional gamers. If a Brood War player made the jump to any other game, nobody would be surprised if they were to dominate sooner or later. Names that have become legends, like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and countless others, were a result of KeSPA teams' relentless practice regime. Day in, day out. A team would provide them with everything needed to be the best they could be, as long as they worked hard for it. Harder than anyone else.

The aftermath of KeSPA's switch can be felt in every corner of the SC2 scene. A hugely defining and iconic moment in recent years was its conflict with eSF. It was a clash between the old guard and the new. The traditionally pure, relentless, almost fanatic pursuit of perfection and sovereignty against the wild, free and independent quest for a balanced and joyful pro-gaming life. eSF is no more; the old ways proved to be the potent and efficient. They rested on their laurels and failed to adjust their methods to sustain their dwindling lead, a concept that is unknown to KeSPA. Nothing short of perfection is good enough and it can only be achieved with structured diligence.

The existence of players as dominant as sAviOr and Flash is something that Brood War's younger sibling has lacked so far. There is an ongoing debate about whether Mvp should be regarded as its first and only bonjwa, but he is the only example that springs to mind of a player that was dominant enough in his prime to be considered. The game has never been more figured out than it is now and the metagame's evolution has slowed since Mvp's era. The best players of today have a good chance of sustaining their dominance by sharpening their skills without fear of being shaken by a shift in the metagame. There's a number of great players that could establish reigns that may last longer than we've seen before in StarCraft II. (P)KT_Zest sits at the very of top of the world at that list.

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He stands out as a symbol of KeSPA's triumph more so than anyone else. After living a rather quiet life in Brood War as Wooki, one of Flash's Proleague sidekicks, Zest has taken the opportunities given to him and transcended his former self. He is now a man whose playstyle is defined by an array of metronomic builds and strategies, all thoroughly tested and equipped with mapped out responses to almost anything. In that way, he is similar to Flash in Brood War. The Ultimate Weapon was known for all around bulletproof play, and Zest has taken a page out of his book in SC2. His plans seem to unfold before his eyes automatically; every little thing he does is meaningful and intelligent. Outside the game he appears as a calm, handsome and confident person. Where others may possess the odd one of these qualities, nobody combines them with such genuineness as Zest. If the ideal for every player is to be surgically precise and untouchable while making it look entirely effortless and natural, then Zest is now the one closest to fulfilling it. His trust in KeSPA and their methods is what has taken him to these heights.

"I’ve played a lot of matches recently so my style’s been exposed a lot. ... But still, I went with the thought that “even if you do anticipate my moves, I’m still going to go for it.”"Ever since he first made his name in StarCraft II, protoss from all over the world have looked to him to learn how to improve. It makes perfect sense, Zest is a great example to follow. He is stable, confident, intelligent and anyone can tune into his games and learn something new almost every single time. How to respond in certain situations, how to perfectly execute a build, how to manage a game. Zest rarely strays from the norm, but why would he? He has shaped the norm; he is its flag bearer. What he does becomes the norm. What he deems the best choice of strategy for a certain map, a certain opponent, a certain matchup, ultimately ends up being accepted as the standard not long after. Don't be surprised if Zest showcases only a very limited amount of builds, as he did at IEM Toronto. His play has stronger, deeper rooted foundations than anyone else's and he is very well aware of it. Zest takes what is given to him, polishes it and showcases its final form. He is more than confident to trust his most basic skills and most practiced strategies to beat anyone in the world.

A lot of other players have shown promise or the potential to become the sort of player Zest is now. But all had their own hurdles to overcome, hurdles that Zest does not seem to know. Some players struggle to keep up with his execution mechanically while some don't have the decision-making required to make the choices he makes. Others lack the confidence to assert themselves like him, or take self-belief too far. It is often simple to identify and admire a player's multitasking, mechanics, decision-making, showmanship, confidence, attention to detail. That identification is a lot more difficult with Zest. He stands for none of these, and yet all of them at once. He is not a mechanical monster like (Z)Jaedong or (T)Flash, he is not a flashy, creative or crazy player like (T)Bomber, (Z)Life or (P)sOs, but his knowledge of the game could fill an archive and his consistency in making the most of it is unrivaled. The reason why Zest is without a doubt the best player of 2014 is his ability to take these elements and forge an appropriate weapon for any situation. The essence of what makes him the best is none of them on their own, but a carefully honed and constantly improved equilibrium of every aspect of StarCraft II.

"For human beings, the desires never end. My role model is my teammate and friend, Flash. I want to grab at least somewhere around six championships just like him."Results naturally followed for Zest. Someone like him does not need to struggle for achievements. He crowned himself the best player in the world by winning GSL Season 1, GSL's Global Championship, Proleague (all-killing SKT in the Round 1 Playoffs) and KeSPA Cup. He reached at least the quarterfinals of every tournament he attended this year. Zest did all of this with the entire world's eyes on him and his games. Yet he remains almost predictably conservative in his play as he only equips himself with the most refined builds available. It doesn't matter if his "style" is figured out because he does not play with style. Instead he applies his strategies with the best execution on earth, elevating him beyond all but a select handful of the very best players in the world.

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After a year of such extraordinary brilliance, there can only be one satisfying conclusion for Zest. His quest for perfection can only end one way. The elephant in the room, KeSPA's triumph over eSF and the organization's ideals all culminate in one event. Zest represents their superiority like nobody else. He is a symbol of their power, their dominance and deep rooted tradition. No player has been able to rule SC2 as others did in Brood War, but if Zest keeps performing the way he has in 2014, then he will inevitably follow in their footsteps. More than that, he will pioneer a new kind of authority that this game has not yet witnessed.

If Zest wins Blizzcon, he writes the defining chapter of a long ascension to power. Not only will he complete his grand procession in 2014, but the old guard and their ways and values will finally be proven right for making him the player and man he is today. A new, old world order will be declared and Zest will stand at its very top, as its greatest accomplishment in StarCraft II, as the undisputed best player in the world.

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Writer: DarkLordOlliGraphics: shiroiusagi, MeruPhoto Credit: inven eSports, Fomos, Daily E-Sports, minori@twitter, Blizzard Editor: lichter
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Zealously
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 31 2014 15:44 GMT
#2
WE DID IT

GET HYPE
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October 31 2014 15:44 GMT
#3
Well done guys !
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October 31 2014 15:45 GMT
#4
ZEST HYPE
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October 31 2014 15:45 GMT
#5
Thanks for all of you have been following the series! \o/
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October 31 2014 15:47 GMT
#6
OH MY GOD WE DID IT
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October 31 2014 15:48 GMT
#7
Yay, they're all out!
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October 31 2014 15:51 GMT
#8
Wow what a great article for the future BlizzCon champion, well done (:
Also grats to the whole TL Writers/TL Strat/TL Graphics staff for these awesome articles !
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October 31 2014 15:52 GMT
#9
Excellent job writers, graphic designers and everyone else involved. Handsome Toss will win this.
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Austria18369 Posts
October 31 2014 15:55 GMT
#10
Is this article about Zest or Kespa?
Intro didn't even mention Zest...
Imo one of the weaker articles out of the 16
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October 31 2014 15:56 GMT
#11
ZEST is the best and that article is awesome
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Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 31 2014 15:57 GMT
#12
What a great article. What a great player. I cant decide if I want him or soO to win more, but still I know he'll go far. As, sexy beast, just gonna say it
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October 31 2014 15:57 GMT
#13
why are you so handsome
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October 31 2014 15:57 GMT
#14
Amazing series guys. Cant wait for Blizzcon and what you have in store for us thereafter
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October 31 2014 16:00 GMT
#15
KT KT KT KT KT

Zest can only fall to soO.

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October 31 2014 16:01 GMT
#16
As long as he doesn't meet a strong Terran, I'm confident he'll take the whole thing... His PvP and PvZ is insane. His PvZ, especially, actually makes Rain look cheesy, and he's up against Life...
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France10201 Posts
October 31 2014 16:01 GMT
#17
The best for last ! the next blizzcon champion !
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France9034 Posts
October 31 2014 16:02 GMT
#18
Gratz for pulling all of these before BlizzCon, and with such consistency in the content quality!
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October 31 2014 16:03 GMT
#19
THIS is for me the story of 2014. I don't care about kongs!

Gratz to the writing staff for these amazing articles!! superb job! ^_^
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October 31 2014 16:03 GMT
#20
This is the winner everyone
Such a sick protoss, will be tough for him but i think he will do it! Semi final potential vs soO could be the series of the tournament too.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
October 31 2014 16:06 GMT
#21
Well done guys. I am so excited for Blizzcon. DAT HYPE!
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United Kingdom1710 Posts
October 31 2014 16:06 GMT
#22
Zest was Wooki? AHAHAHAHA I knew he was so familiar... oh my.......
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United States9400 Posts
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October 31 2014 16:08 GMT
#23
Zest will definitely get Top4, if not win it all.

He is just way too solid. Best protoss in the world. P7GAB FIGHTING!
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October 31 2014 16:09 GMT
#24
zest will lose to a SKT player, don't ask me which one
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October 31 2014 16:10 GMT
#25
Congrats TL staff, especially the writers. This has been an incredible series of articles, more hype than any one video could bring for me.

I'll also take this moment to say daaaaaaaamn Zest, hottest player in Blizzcon by far.
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October 31 2014 16:11 GMT
#26
Well done Team liquid, well done.
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Estonia4644 Posts
October 31 2014 16:11 GMT
#27
My god guys
you have been awesome
Congrats and thanks to all of you behind this huge undertaking!
Special mentions to the wonderful Meru & Shiro for such an amazing look for such great writeups!
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Canada28396 Posts
October 31 2014 16:13 GMT
#28
On November 01 2014 01:10 erby wrote:
Congrats TL staff, especially the writers. This has been an incredible series of articles, more hype than any one video could bring for me.

I'll also take this moment to say daaaaaaaamn Zest, hottest player in Blizzcon by far.


Zest is hottest, but herO is cutest. And the finals are gonna be between them so that'll just be a treat!
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Turkey7150 Posts
October 31 2014 16:17 GMT
#29
Well done writers, 2 bad Zest will lose 1st round.
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Netherlands6181 Posts
October 31 2014 16:18 GMT
#30
HOLY SHIT that was so good. Good work guys, that couldn't have been more perfect.
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HYPE HYPE HYPE
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44079 Posts
October 31 2014 16:18 GMT
#31
Wow this hype articles..

Too bad the other 15 hype articles are irrelevant we all know innovation is gonna destroy everyone.
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Canada28396 Posts
October 31 2014 16:20 GMT
#32
On November 01 2014 01:17 Skynx wrote:
Well done writers, 2 bad Zest will lose 1st round.

That's just not true and you know it.
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your Country52797 Posts
October 31 2014 16:22 GMT
#33
On November 01 2014 01:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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On November 01 2014 01:17 Skynx wrote:
Well done writers, 2 bad Zest will lose 1st round.

That's just not true and you know it.

Don't worry about it, I've seen that comment for every player except herO
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Last Edited: 2014-10-31 16:24:30
October 31 2014 16:24 GMT
#34
On November 01 2014 01:03 Pandemona wrote:
This is the winner everyone
Such a sick protoss, will be tough for him but i think he will do it! Semi final potential vs soO could be the series of the tournament too.

i think semi final potential versus taeja is more promising. if taeja can get some momentum and plays his best (and looking at the bracket, if he gets to the semis both have to be a given), then that would be even more awesome of a match.

it would be the best player of 2014 versus the best player of the last 3 years, the match between two who only need one crowning achievemetn to ascend to the rank of bonjwa, the epitome of order, rigorous training and icecold execution versus the avatar of chaos, freedom and on-the-run decision making, both are synonym with perfection in their own, different ways, kespa versus foreign korean, new order versus old.

they also have history this year, with already meeting 2 times, and both times zest got the short end of the stick. he must be lusting for revenge while taeja is still around, else zest will always have this small dent in his resume "but he never did beat taeja, now didn't he?".

this series has the potential to change the way we view starcraft, both players being so drastically different yet so eerily similiar. it would be an epic conclusion for taeja's career or the begin of a reign of pure dominance for zest. I feel like the series between these two could only go to full length, there jsut isn't any other possibility in my eyes.

not saying that taeja is better than soo, but i think a series between zest and taeja has way more chances of being innovative and mindblowing than zest and soo playing standard games on a very high level.
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Canada645 Posts
October 31 2014 16:24 GMT
#35
Go Zestu!
why?
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October 31 2014 16:28 GMT
#36
this guy will grab all the trophies and money, finish his 2 years military service, get recruited as K-Drama actor (while other post-military-service player struggling to get any job at all), and making more money by kissing and flirting with beautiful girls
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October 31 2014 16:29 GMT
#37
Congratulations to all of the writers, editors, and artists for this fantastic series! Superb effort outdone only by the quality of the results.
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United States219 Posts
October 31 2014 16:30 GMT
#38
WE.. WE ACTUALLY DID IT?!... Grats my handsome fellow staffers & everyone that helped with all of this!!

Cept the works not actually over. TT rip
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October 31 2014 16:34 GMT
#39
wp writers, editors and artists. i love the work you've done. The person that made the cards is especially cool! pics chosen and quotes chosen are amazing too :D
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October 31 2014 16:39 GMT
#40
I agree with the former "speaker". Well done with this presentation series!
And
GO
ZEST!
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October 31 2014 16:41 GMT
#41
Holy crap that card, spectacular!
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October 31 2014 16:49 GMT
#42
We did it, fuck yeah!
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October 31 2014 16:50 GMT
#43
It's been a great series of articles, guys. This one on Zest is really hype-y too. Thanks everyone for your efforts!
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October 31 2014 16:53 GMT
#44
Really excellent job from you guys. Thumbs up!
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October 31 2014 16:59 GMT
#45
This article inspired me to make a count, and I was sort of surprised to see there are actually 9 originally eSF players (counting Hyun and MC) in the field versus 7 KeSPA players.
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United States976 Posts
October 31 2014 17:06 GMT
#46
We did it!!
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England3012 Posts
October 31 2014 17:10 GMT
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--- Nuked ---
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France24192 Posts
October 31 2014 17:10 GMT
#48
The perfect macro Protoss, our idol and everyday inspiration.

And the upcoming Blizzcon champion, without a doubt. Only opposition I'd fear would be Zest-herO in the finals, but I'm pretty sure Bomber will come out of that side of the bracket and Zest will have gotten some homework done on his sometimes shaky PvT.
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Iraq16955 Posts
October 31 2014 17:10 GMT
#49
And we end on a high node with the triumphant Zest. Lets see what he does at Blizzcon!
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October 31 2014 17:13 GMT
#50
Such a sexy kick-ass bad-ass. Artosis was right in saying that Zest is the best thing that has happened in 2014. I will be looking forward to Zest vs soO round 3 to decide who is on top of the world.

Sorry INnoVation still not quite there.
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United States7483 Posts
October 31 2014 17:31 GMT
#51
Good job to the writing team on this article series.

Zest is gonna win this tournament.
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Canada5973 Posts
October 31 2014 17:36 GMT
#52
Its been a rich year for Zest.
Refer to my post.
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Canada5819 Posts
October 31 2014 17:38 GMT
#53
On November 01 2014 02:10 SatedSC2 wrote:
"you will realize that the elephant-prophecy hasn't been entirely wrong."

Yes it had.

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France12578 Posts
October 31 2014 17:40 GMT
#54
What a serie of article, outstanding work.
I don't think I ever saw such work to hype up an event than what has been done for Blizzcon by TL. I'm out of words.
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United States186 Posts
October 31 2014 17:42 GMT
#55
alright guys, LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I've never waited in line at the DMV [YVNG]
johnbongham
Profile Joined April 2014
451 Posts
October 31 2014 17:44 GMT
#56
You would think TL would know better than to keep bringing up that embarrassing elephant article any chance they get which has proven to be utterly and completely wrong. Don't forget that starcraft 2 was a MUCH bigger game when the ESF was in charge, and that many of the top ESF players are STILL at the top of the game whether they are with Kespa teams now or not. The fact that Kespa had money and staying power to muscle their way into the scene means absolutely nothing as far as the skill of their players are concerned. Terrible and contrived.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 31 2014 17:46 GMT
#57
great work tl writers what an article marathon.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
October 31 2014 17:54 GMT
#58
Really amazing articles, thanks TL!

Hype!
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Kihshra
Profile Joined July 2012
178 Posts
October 31 2014 18:15 GMT
#59
So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ?
Zoure
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada23 Posts
October 31 2014 18:18 GMT
#60
I see the saved the Zest for last.
twitch.tv/zoure I am bad, and probably playing non-sc2 games
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 31 2014 18:19 GMT
#61
On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote:
So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ?


What?
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Kihshra
Profile Joined July 2012
178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 18:34:34
October 31 2014 18:31 GMT
#62
On November 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote:
So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ?


What?

The Tarot card you chose for MMA is the 20th trump card whose number is greater than the cards you chose for the other players. I know you only wanted to associate the signification of the cards with the players but come on, did you really expect nobody would notice ?

Edit: could be Bomber too.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 31 2014 18:36 GMT
#63
On November 01 2014 03:31 Kihshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote:
So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ?


What?

The Tarot card you chose for MMA is the 20th trump card whose number is greater than the cards you chose for the other players. I know you only wanted to associate the signification of the cards with the players but come on, did you really expect nobody would notice ?

Edit: could be Bomber too.

We're playing starcraft, not Tarot
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 31 2014 18:38 GMT
#64
On November 01 2014 03:31 Kihshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote:
So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ?


What?

The Tarot card you chose for MMA is the 20th trump card whose number is greater than the cards you chose for the other players. I know you only wanted to associate the signification of the cards with the players but come on, did you really expect nobody would notice ?

Edit: could be Bomber too.


If we insist on attaching meaning to the numbers of the respective Tarot cards (which we really shouldn't, since their cards correspond to attributes of their play, personality and career rather than meaning within the Arcana), then Bomber would be our favorite to win, rather than MMA.
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Kihshra
Profile Joined July 2012
178 Posts
October 31 2014 18:45 GMT
#65
On November 01 2014 03:38 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 03:31 Kihshra wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote:
So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ?


What?

The Tarot card you chose for MMA is the 20th trump card whose number is greater than the cards you chose for the other players. I know you only wanted to associate the signification of the cards with the players but come on, did you really expect nobody would notice ?

Edit: could be Bomber too.


If we insist on attaching meaning to the numbers of the respective Tarot cards (which we really shouldn't, since their cards correspond to attributes of their play, personality and career rather than meaning within the Arcana), then Bomber would be our favorite to win, rather than MMA.

Yeah that's why I added with my edit that it could also be Bomber (but the Fool can either be considered as "0" or "22" so it really depends what order you're considering). And I know we shouldn't care about the numers of the Tarot cards but it was funny to notice this ^^
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 31 2014 18:53 GMT
#66
damn zest has everything for him

nice job with this road to blizzcon TL
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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scotch4789
Profile Joined July 2013
United States42 Posts
October 31 2014 18:54 GMT
#67
Great articles, a big thanks to everyone involved!! Now we just have to wait for the party to start...
Naikonz
Profile Joined October 2014
Romania65 Posts
October 31 2014 19:01 GMT
#68
Zest will only have one problem. It's name is TaeJa. TaeJa can take down Zest in the semifinals. Great articles btw.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 31 2014 19:05 GMT
#69
On November 01 2014 01:28 stefan16 wrote:
this guy will grab all the trophies and money, finish his 2 years military service, get recruited as K-Drama actor (while other post-military-service player struggling to get any job at all), and making more money by kissing and flirting with beautiful girls

haha yeah i don't think he will have any problem to find a job after retiring from the competitive scene
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
October 31 2014 19:15 GMT
#70
amazing read, the best in months GO WOOKI !! Jesus so much hype you can feel it too?
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
October 31 2014 19:58 GMT
#71
Thanks for these articles. They helped me get a little bit into some of the players I don't follow at all (San, StarDust, HyuN), catch up with players I know well but haven't seen much of lately (Jaedong, MMA, jjakji), and just plain hyped for the rest, whom I both know and love.

And of course Classic.

I don't know how much of this was planned out and how much was happy accident, but taken together, these articles paint a wonderfully complete picture of SC2. Starting with Classic's relation to the balance issues of 2014, to the SlayerS/Boxer legacy with MMA, the transition from SC1 to SC2 with Jaedong, inevitability of military service through StarDust, the value of charisma and identity with MC, the place Koreans have in WCS through San, and the ESF/Kespa rivalry and SC2 bonjwas with Zest. We got a sense of real world stakes through HyuN and a real world success story with Polt. The importance of picking up the right player at the right time with Bomber and the importance of choosing the right venue to compete with Innovation. The wildly different attitudes progamers bring to the competition, like herO and soO, two players who have shown remarkable perseverance but obviously reach it from entirely different mental states. And in some cases great biographies like Taeja and Life. (sorry Jjakji)

The whole series was great, but Taeja's article really stands out for me as an ambitious and almost entirely successful attempt to comprehend a player whose talent seems to defy comprehension. At the very least, it does justice to his legacy. AM/EU championships generally don't hold much weight with me, but there comes a point, eventually, when you reach a critical mass of success that cannot be denied no matter what. For soO, whose gameplay I found an effective sleeping aid throughout most of 2013 and 2014, that tipping point was his third consecutive GSL finals. I don't care if it looks like you're A-moving to victory at that point, when you're facing the caliber of players soO was, he must know something about A-moving that others don't. If you respect anyone outside of KR, you have to respect Taeja.

Thanks again.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 31 2014 20:26 GMT
#72
On November 01 2014 04:58 pure.Wasted wrote:
Thanks for these articles. They helped me get a little bit into some of the players I don't follow at all (San, StarDust, HyuN), catch up with players I know well but haven't seen much of lately (Jaedong, MMA, jjakji), and just plain hyped for the rest, whom I both know and love.

And of course Classic.

I don't know how much of this was planned out and how much was happy accident, but taken together, these articles paint a wonderfully complete picture of SC2. Starting with Classic's relation to the balance issues of 2014, to the SlayerS/Boxer legacy with MMA, the transition from SC1 to SC2 with Jaedong, inevitability of military service through StarDust, the value of charisma and identity with MC, the place Koreans have in WCS through San, and the ESF/Kespa rivalry and SC2 bonjwas with Zest. We got a sense of real world stakes through HyuN and a real world success story with Polt. The importance of picking up the right player at the right time with Bomber and the importance of choosing the right venue to compete with Innovation. The wildly different attitudes progamers bring to the competition, like herO and soO, two players who have shown remarkable perseverance but obviously reach it from entirely different mental states. And in some cases great biographies like Taeja and Life. (sorry Jjakji)

The whole series was great, but Taeja's article really stands out for me as an ambitious and almost entirely successful attempt to comprehend a player whose talent seems to defy comprehension. At the very least, it does justice to his legacy. AM/EU championships generally don't hold much weight with me, but there comes a point, eventually, when you reach a critical mass of success that cannot be denied no matter what. For soO, whose gameplay I found an effective sleeping aid throughout most of 2013 and 2014, that tipping point was his third consecutive GSL finals. I don't care if it looks like you're A-moving to victory at that point, when you're facing the caliber of players soO was, he must know something about A-moving that others don't. If you respect anyone outside of KR, you have to respect Taeja.

Thanks again.


Make sure to check out all of the strategy companion articles to learn more about their playstyles too.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
October 31 2014 21:58 GMT
#73
FUCK YEAH ZEST
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
October 31 2014 21:59 GMT
#74
ah, at least one kt's protosses has something mystical about them again
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
October 31 2014 22:17 GMT
#75
Thanks again for all these awesome articles!
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
October 31 2014 22:25 GMT
#76
He's gonna take it all man. I feel it.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Anacreor
Profile Joined February 2013
Netherlands291 Posts
October 31 2014 22:30 GMT
#77
Thanks for the great idea and execution you guys! These pieces are amazing to read, and they make me all tingly inside, HYPED!
"Peter the Acretree chops some wood"
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
October 31 2014 23:31 GMT
#78
I object to the idea that ESF "lost" because they were lazy or ineffective compared to KeSPA players and training regimes. They lost because KeSPA had and has a lot of money and giant sponsors, while ESF had nothing. There was no way to win.
Moltke
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia10 Posts
October 31 2014 23:49 GMT
#79
Gotta give it to Zest. Only summer Taeja could conceivably match him straight up.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
November 01 2014 00:45 GMT
#80
great write up team!!!~~~ All of them thoroughly read, reread and enjoyed now,,,,really well done to you all, love SC2 and love Team Liquid!!~~

Zest is the man...there is no doubt...Who can stop him? Really? I think Inno has a chance...and I think herO has a chance. But that is all.
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
November 01 2014 01:39 GMT
#81
If Zest wins Blizzcon he will be the first bonjwa in HOTS.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 01 2014 02:18 GMT
#82
On November 01 2014 09:45 AxiomBlurr wrote:
Zest is the man...there is no doubt...Who can stop him? Really? I think Inno has a chance...and I think herO has a chance. But that is all.


Well, there was that time that soO beat him... one month ago...

I don't think that Zest is leagues and bounds better than Rain, and Polt and Bomber have both beaten Rain in bo5s.

And Taeja can wreck anyone and make it look easy.

So basically what I'm saying is the only thing we know for sure is that Life is fucked. :/
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 01 2014 02:21 GMT
#83
I read all of these.

I now feel like I can pretend I've followed SC2 for the entire 2014 and post in the Blizzcon LR thread, talking shit about everyone except Polt.

Good job writers.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 01 2014 02:40 GMT
#84
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/465363-the-global-experiment-2-years-later

Sums up the last 2years of WCS
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50104 Posts
November 01 2014 04:07 GMT
#85
Wooki the rookie has come a long way.

bathe in the blood of your competitors.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 01 2014 05:02 GMT
#86
great job guys! grats
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
HankManly
Profile Joined February 2014
Australia2 Posts
November 01 2014 05:12 GMT
#87
Great write up DarkLordOlli! And what a fantastic series of articles in the lead up to Blizzcon, you're kicking ass TL writers.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
November 01 2014 05:41 GMT
#88
This feels like the first time I read that Maestro article...

SICK HYPE!
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
November 01 2014 06:43 GMT
#89
Great job all. Taeja ftw
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2213 Posts
November 01 2014 08:25 GMT
#90
Loved this article
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
November 01 2014 08:59 GMT
#91
Zest the final boss to take it all!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
muho-94
Profile Joined September 2014
23 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 09:10:12
November 01 2014 09:08 GMT
#92
HE WILL RAPE EVERYONE'S ASS IN THIS CHAMP, BELIEVE ME!
OTHERWISE IF NOT, I PROMISE - I WILL GET RAPED!

ZEST - MY HERO!!!
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
November 01 2014 09:16 GMT
#93
BEST IS ZEST!!
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 01 2014 14:30 GMT
#94
Congrats to all TL writers and graphists for this series, amazing work !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands675 Posts
November 01 2014 15:02 GMT
#95
Great articles! I enjoyed them all very much

As for Zest: I like rooting for underdogs, and Zest ain't that. Go Life!

Also: Polt vs Taeja finals plz

"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
November 02 2014 10:50 GMT
#96
Well well it seems that we were mistaken....
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
November 02 2014 11:17 GMT
#97
On November 01 2014 18:08 muho-94 wrote:
HE WILL RAPE EVERYONE'S ASS IN THIS CHAMP, BELIEVE ME!
OTHERWISE IF NOT, I PROMISE - I WILL GET RAPED!

ZEST - MY HERO!!!

Who is going to rape you?
Go TAEJA
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 02 2014 11:39 GMT
#98
It seems like hyping a Protoss isn't worth more than a one liner...
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 02 2014 12:15 GMT
#99
That didnt go as planned
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 02 2014 12:34 GMT
#100
On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That didnt go as planned


none of the players i wrote for won

good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 02 2014 12:52 GMT
#101
On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That didnt go as planned


none of the players i wrote for won

good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them

Haha all my players won
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 02 2014 12:53 GMT
#102
Zealously blessing confirmed?
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TL+ Member
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18369 Posts
November 02 2014 12:55 GMT
#103
On November 02 2014 21:52 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That didnt go as planned


none of the players i wrote for won

good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them

Haha all my players won


Whom did you write about? ^^
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 02 2014 13:02 GMT
#104
On November 02 2014 21:55 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That didnt go as planned


none of the players i wrote for won

good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them

Haha all my players won


Whom did you write about? ^^

Life, herO, INnoVation
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IAMPRO
Profile Joined November 2011
Afghanistan118 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 16:12:38
November 02 2014 16:08 GMT
#105
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.
SuHoSin - we'll never forget your genius
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 02 2014 16:19 GMT
#106
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.


I would argue that Zest's three championships this year probably played a larger role in the writer's assessment of Zest than his Brood War background.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 02 2014 16:31 GMT
#107
On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That didnt go as planned


none of the players i wrote for won

good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them


Taeja on the other hand, made me look like a god.
Moderator
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 02 2014 16:57 GMT
#108
On November 03 2014 01:31 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That didnt go as planned


none of the players i wrote for won

good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them


Taeja on the other hand, made me look like a god.

Stating the obvious doesn't make you look like a God.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 02 2014 17:13 GMT
#109
On November 03 2014 01:57 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 01:31 stuchiu wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:
On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
That didnt go as planned


none of the players i wrote for won

good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them


Taeja on the other hand, made me look like a god.

Stating the obvious doesn't make you look like a God.


"Thou shalt not kill" seemed obvious to me.

Though I didnt yell at people to put no other gods before me. So I am a merciful and understanding God? I'll go with that.
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
November 03 2014 08:46 GMT
#110
On November 03 2014 01:19 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.


I would argue that Zest's three championships this year probably played a larger role in the writer's assessment of Zest than his Brood War background.


Four if you count proleague, as he was clearly a huge part in their winning that.

Zest wasn't overhyped, he didn't play nearly as well as he normally does, precisely the same as the last time he played in an overseas tournament. I don't think he knows how to adjust and was likely very tired and jetlagged. Life has a lot more experience playing outside of korea and had a better handle on what to do to prepare well.

In all seriousness, it mostly comes down to the manager. Zest's play did not resemble his usual self at all.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18369 Posts
November 03 2014 14:02 GMT
#111
Fionn mentioned KT getting flack from netizens - does anyone know more about this?
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 14:30:02
November 03 2014 14:21 GMT
#112
On November 03 2014 17:46 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 01:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.


I would argue that Zest's three championships this year probably played a larger role in the writer's assessment of Zest than his Brood War background.


Four if you count proleague, as he was clearly a huge part in their winning that.

Zest wasn't overhyped, he didn't play nearly as well as he normally does, precisely the same as the last time he played in an overseas tournament. I don't think he knows how to adjust and was likely very tired and jetlagged. Life has a lot more experience playing outside of korea and had a better handle on what to do to prepare well.

In all seriousness, it mostly comes down to the manager. Zest's play did not resemble his usual self at all.

Zest playing a huge part in winning proleague? I dont think he contributed that much in the semi-finals and finals: losing to sOs, Rogue and Rain and only winning against Avenge and against Maru narrowly (i know he all killed SKT BUT we all know that Round 1 was SUCH a long time ago)
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 03 2014 14:42 GMT
#113
On November 03 2014 23:21 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 17:46 Whitewing wrote:
On November 03 2014 01:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.


I would argue that Zest's three championships this year probably played a larger role in the writer's assessment of Zest than his Brood War background.


Four if you count proleague, as he was clearly a huge part in their winning that.

Zest wasn't overhyped, he didn't play nearly as well as he normally does, precisely the same as the last time he played in an overseas tournament. I don't think he knows how to adjust and was likely very tired and jetlagged. Life has a lot more experience playing outside of korea and had a better handle on what to do to prepare well.

In all seriousness, it mostly comes down to the manager. Zest's play did not resemble his usual self at all.

Zest playing a huge part in winning proleague? I dont think he contributed that much in the semi-finals and finals: losing to sOs, Rogue and Rain and only winning against Avenge and against Maru narrowly (i know he all killed SKT BUT we all know that Round 1 was SUCH a long time ago)


The four rounds were equal in importance, though, so him playing well for a while before dropping off in Proleague still means that he was instrumental to their victory. Without Zest, I don't think they would have won Proleague because they would not have been in the position to.
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cpower
Profile Joined October 2013
228 Posts
November 03 2014 16:14 GMT
#114
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.

I think Zest played too many PvP recently and his PvZ and PvT are a lot less impressive. In a protoss dominated era, a PvP god was enough to earn you a few good tournaments. He now needs to elevate his PvZ and PvT on par with his PvP games.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18369 Posts
November 03 2014 16:25 GMT
#115
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.


MC didnt outplay herO lol
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
November 03 2014 16:55 GMT
#116
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.

You do know that all those non-kespa players were once part of kespa? They just chose to leave and find opportunities elsewhere.

MC, Polt, Life, and Taeja all started in the kespa environment, which instilled the hard work and training regime. All they did was leave KeSPA, but they didn't lose the hard work or training regime.

Some players that leave the kespa environment find it difficult to train (i.e. INnoVation) and need to go back.

It has nothing to do with being on a BW team
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 03 2014 17:00 GMT
#117
On November 04 2014 01:55 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.

You do know that all those non-kespa players were once part of kespa? They just chose to leave and find opportunities elsewhere.

MC, Polt, Life, and Taeja all started in the kespa environment, which instilled the hard work and training regime. All they did was leave KeSPA, but they didn't lose the hard work or training regime.

Some players that leave the kespa environment find it difficult to train (i.e. INnoVation) and need to go back.

It has nothing to do with being on a BW team

Polt and Taeja were never kespa
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18369 Posts
November 03 2014 17:12 GMT
#118
On November 04 2014 02:00 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2014 01:55 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.

You do know that all those non-kespa players were once part of kespa? They just chose to leave and find opportunities elsewhere.

MC, Polt, Life, and Taeja all started in the kespa environment, which instilled the hard work and training regime. All they did was leave KeSPA, but they didn't lose the hard work or training regime.

Some players that leave the kespa environment find it difficult to train (i.e. INnoVation) and need to go back.

It has nothing to do with being on a BW team

Polt and Taeja were never kespa


what a lie!!!
Did you forget the abomination called EGTL?
Taeja WAS part of kespa!!! :O :O :O
cpower
Profile Joined October 2013
228 Posts
November 03 2014 17:29 GMT
#119
On November 04 2014 01:25 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.


MC didnt outplay herO lol

MC, Polt have ridiculous foreign experience which allows them to put up a fair fight against the kespa players. If you let them to play out the series 100 times, they will lose a lot more games. Taeja has the experience and the skills, which makes him a favorite. Zest was not in form and played horribly, the loss is completely on him.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 03 2014 17:58 GMT
#120
On November 04 2014 02:00 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2014 01:55 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote:
kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.

Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.


It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.

Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.

You do know that all those non-kespa players were once part of kespa? They just chose to leave and find opportunities elsewhere.

MC, Polt, Life, and Taeja all started in the kespa environment, which instilled the hard work and training regime. All they did was leave KeSPA, but they didn't lose the hard work or training regime.

Some players that leave the kespa environment find it difficult to train (i.e. INnoVation) and need to go back.

It has nothing to do with being on a BW team

Polt and Taeja were never kespa


Neither was Life.
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
November 05 2014 06:11 GMT
#121
Onwards to conquer Europe with Flash/TY!
don't wall off against random
jacky9185
Profile Joined June 2012
Taiwan27 Posts
November 05 2014 10:29 GMT
#122
Zest is the BEST!!
Taiwanese StarCraft 2 fan.
Kihshra
Profile Joined July 2012
178 Posts
November 08 2014 23:12 GMT
#123
On November 01 2014 03:38 Zealously wrote:
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On November 01 2014 03:31 Kihshra wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote:
So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ?


What?

The Tarot card you chose for MMA is the 20th trump card whose number is greater than the cards you chose for the other players. I know you only wanted to associate the signification of the cards with the players but come on, did you really expect nobody would notice ?

Edit: could be Bomber too.


If we insist on attaching meaning to the numbers of the respective Tarot cards (which we really shouldn't, since their cards correspond to attributes of their play, personality and career rather than meaning within the Arcana), then Bomber would be our favorite to win, rather than MMA.

Time to say you always had the numbers of the cards in mind
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 12 2014 19:45 GMT
#124
On November 09 2014 08:12 Kihshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 03:38 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:31 Kihshra wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote:
So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ?


What?

The Tarot card you chose for MMA is the 20th trump card whose number is greater than the cards you chose for the other players. I know you only wanted to associate the signification of the cards with the players but come on, did you really expect nobody would notice ?

Edit: could be Bomber too.


If we insist on attaching meaning to the numbers of the respective Tarot cards (which we really shouldn't, since their cards correspond to attributes of their play, personality and career rather than meaning within the Arcana), then Bomber would be our favorite to win, rather than MMA.

Time to say you always had the numbers of the cards in mind


But MMA didn't win
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