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On August 04 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. You not neccesarily lose in Code S, just because you don't participate in it. Taeja is probably top 3 terran on the planet and does not participate in Code S. Let's be honest here, could Cure/TY/Reality 3-0 Zest? I find that highly unlikely. Ofc. Code S is still the strongest tournament in the world, but it is also suffering from the region split. I don't think, that people like Hush or Terminator could make it to Code S, if Taeja, Hyun, MC, Bomber, San and co would still be in korea.
3-0 Zest... yeah i agree zest didnt play anything up to his caliber and still nearly won the last two games in that series. Taeja is good, but we havent seen him at competing in code s for a long time and its a lot more stacked these days with kespa players. As for hyun MC bomber and san i think they would be stuck in code A.
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Join TL, win.
seems like a common trend
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On August 04 2014 21:24 Nuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. You not neccesarily lose in Code S, just because you don't participate in it. Taeja is probably top 3 terran on the planet and does not participate in Code S. Let's be honest here, could Cure/TY/Reality 3-0 Zest? I find that highly unlikely. Ofc. Code S is still the strongest tournament in the world, but it is also suffering from the region split. I don't think, that people like Hush or Terminator could make it to Code S, if Taeja, Hyun, MC, Bomber, San and co would still be in korea. 3-0 Zest... yeah i agree zest didnt play anything up to his caliber and still nearly won the last two games in that series. Taeja is good, but we havent seen him at competing in code s for a long time and its a lot more stacked these days with kespa players. As for hyun MC bomber and san i think they would be stuck in code A.
Bomber and Taeja were in code S when they decided to leave for another region. Jjakji too.
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On August 04 2014 21:24 Nuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. You not neccesarily lose in Code S, just because you don't participate in it. Taeja is probably top 3 terran on the planet and does not participate in Code S. Let's be honest here, could Cure/TY/Reality 3-0 Zest? I find that highly unlikely. Ofc. Code S is still the strongest tournament in the world, but it is also suffering from the region split. I don't think, that people like Hush or Terminator could make it to Code S, if Taeja, Hyun, MC, Bomber, San and co would still be in korea. 3-0 Zest... yeah i agree zest didnt play anything up to his caliber and still nearly won the last two games in that series. Taeja is good, but we havent seen him at competing in code s for a long time and its a lot more stacked these days with kespa players. As for hyun MC bomber and san i think they would be stuck in code A.
So just because you 'think' they would be stuck in code A, you are gonna dismiss the win of Bunny as an easy win?
I can not even remember a foreign Terran winning a tournament like this, so i think a little nuance in your posts could provide you with some more credibility.
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On August 04 2014 21:24 Nuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. You not neccesarily lose in Code S, just because you don't participate in it. Taeja is probably top 3 terran on the planet and does not participate in Code S. Let's be honest here, could Cure/TY/Reality 3-0 Zest? I find that highly unlikely. Ofc. Code S is still the strongest tournament in the world, but it is also suffering from the region split. I don't think, that people like Hush or Terminator could make it to Code S, if Taeja, Hyun, MC, Bomber, San and co would still be in korea. 3-0 Zest... yeah i agree zest didnt play anything up to his caliber and still nearly won the last two games in that series. Taeja is good, but we havent seen him at competing in code s for a long time and its a lot more stacked these days with kespa players. As for hyun MC bomber and san i think they would be stuck in code A.
That would probably depend on the group. The point still stands: Code regulars lose to often at international tournaments to be considered God-like. Stork lost to Scarlett and twice to Snute at HSC and IEM. If he can't beat them and win tournyes, while, Stardust, San, MC and co. can win them, that implies, that they are better than him. Noone here is implying, that foreign koreans (besides Taeja) are on a Soulkey/Maru/Zest/soO-level, but saying, that they are worse than Hush, Terminator, Shine and co. is equally ridiculos.
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what an amazing finals, so glad i skipped class for this hehehe
and bunny's celebration at the end, as awkward as it was, was genuine and im so fucken happy for you m8
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On August 04 2014 21:31 laaaaaaaamee wrote:
what an amazing finals, so glad i skipped class for this hehehe
skipping class for starcraft, next level of passion
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On August 04 2014 19:01 einherier wrote:
Hes totally right, just take a look at ur own TLPD rankings and compare it to the wcs ranking, not even one of the 10 highest WCS players is in your Top 10.
That WCS system is the problem, european and foreignkoreans get most WCS points despite having the easiest opponents just because they get the biggest support from their teams and organisations.
Bunny did great, he deserved the win and all, but was it worth 750 WCS points ?
Clearly not. thats the amount u get for getting RO4 in Code S, which is with any love for Bunny and the whole TeamLiquid not even close to comparable.
Checking TLPD top10 after that post was really funny. Shows that its more effective to farm Pro League for points then to Farm foreign events for points. Except if you are TaeJa.
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On August 04 2014 21:26 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:24 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. You not neccesarily lose in Code S, just because you don't participate in it. Taeja is probably top 3 terran on the planet and does not participate in Code S. Let's be honest here, could Cure/TY/Reality 3-0 Zest? I find that highly unlikely. Ofc. Code S is still the strongest tournament in the world, but it is also suffering from the region split. I don't think, that people like Hush or Terminator could make it to Code S, if Taeja, Hyun, MC, Bomber, San and co would still be in korea. 3-0 Zest... yeah i agree zest didnt play anything up to his caliber and still nearly won the last two games in that series. Taeja is good, but we havent seen him at competing in code s for a long time and its a lot more stacked these days with kespa players. As for hyun MC bomber and san i think they would be stuck in code A. Bomber and Taeja were in code S when they decided to leave for another region. Jjakji too.
The game is different with these new players in now..
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On August 04 2014 21:30 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:24 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. You not neccesarily lose in Code S, just because you don't participate in it. Taeja is probably top 3 terran on the planet and does not participate in Code S. Let's be honest here, could Cure/TY/Reality 3-0 Zest? I find that highly unlikely. Ofc. Code S is still the strongest tournament in the world, but it is also suffering from the region split. I don't think, that people like Hush or Terminator could make it to Code S, if Taeja, Hyun, MC, Bomber, San and co would still be in korea. 3-0 Zest... yeah i agree zest didnt play anything up to his caliber and still nearly won the last two games in that series. Taeja is good, but we havent seen him at competing in code s for a long time and its a lot more stacked these days with kespa players. As for hyun MC bomber and san i think they would be stuck in code A. That would probably depend on the group. The point still stands: Code regulars lose to often at international tournaments to be considered God-like. Stork lost to Scarlett and twice to Snute at HSC and IEM. If he can't beat them and win tournyes, while, Stardust, San, MC and co. can win them, that implies, that they are better than him. Noone here is implying, that foreign koreans (besides Taeja) are on a Soulkey/Maru/Zest/soO-level, but saying, that they are worse than Hush, Terminator, Shine and co. is equally ridiculos.
I understand what you are saying and i dont think these top level korean players perform well in foreign tournaments because theyve only been to 1 or two of them. No korean not even taeja who wins almost all foreign tournaments one his first 2 when first coming out of korea. We will see how terminator and hush perform as i think they are better than most people think.Also i dont think stork is that great of a player, but is improving slowly.
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On August 04 2014 21:52 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:16 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:12 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. Or because culture, language, socialisation, homesickness etc. Well we did have a couple of foreigners who were labelled the best at the time competing in gsl. This is when MC could all in everygame in korea and still win, What happened to them? Oh. Both NaNiwa and HuK acquitted themselves very well in Code S...
Yes this was when MC could 4 gate every game and win.. Can you not read?
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On August 04 2014 21:43 Nuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:26 Faust852 wrote:On August 04 2014 21:24 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:22 Xoronius wrote:On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. You not neccesarily lose in Code S, just because you don't participate in it. Taeja is probably top 3 terran on the planet and does not participate in Code S. Let's be honest here, could Cure/TY/Reality 3-0 Zest? I find that highly unlikely. Ofc. Code S is still the strongest tournament in the world, but it is also suffering from the region split. I don't think, that people like Hush or Terminator could make it to Code S, if Taeja, Hyun, MC, Bomber, San and co would still be in korea. 3-0 Zest... yeah i agree zest didnt play anything up to his caliber and still nearly won the last two games in that series. Taeja is good, but we havent seen him at competing in code s for a long time and its a lot more stacked these days with kespa players. As for hyun MC bomber and san i think they would be stuck in code A. Bomber and Taeja were in code S when they decided to leave for another region. Jjakji too. The game is different with these new players in now..
New players? What new players since then? No those same people were playing but were in code A and the gap left by Taeja and ................ (this is where I remember the rule of not feeding trolls)
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I'm tired of all the "kiss the trophy" pics... (yeah I know nobody cares that I'm tired :D)
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On August 04 2014 21:56 finkelboy wrote:
I'm tired of all the "kiss the trophy" pics... (yeah I know nobody cares that I'm tired :D)
There's not much else they can do with a trophy that I'd feel comfortable putting in a banner D:
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On August 04 2014 21:56 finkelboy wrote:
I'm tired of all the "kiss the trophy" pics... (yeah I know nobody cares that I'm tired :D)
I cant wait to see what you do if you win a tournament at first time.
If it was your 25th tournament victory maybe you are tired about trophies.
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On August 04 2014 21:58 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:53 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:52 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 04 2014 21:16 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:12 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. Or because culture, language, socialisation, homesickness etc. Well we did have a couple of foreigners who were labelled the best at the time competing in gsl. This is when MC could all in everygame in korea and still win, What happened to them? Oh. Both NaNiwa and HuK acquitted themselves very well in Code S... Yes this was when MC could 4 gate every game and win.. Can you not read? "What happened to them? Oh." You were implying that they didn't do well, which is why I gave the response that I gave. If that wasn't what you were implying then perhaps you shouldn't form your sentences in such an ambiguous manner, as opposed to blaming other people's reading comprehension for your own shortcomings re: the English language. Also, the idea that "MC could 4 Gate every game and win" is such a gross exaggeration that there's really no need for me to take your opinion seriously. So I won't :3
You go watch gsl then and watch it now... Instead of making some stupid sentences that avoid my point.
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this thread has already become an insult to bunnys accomplishment and there's no fixing it now
it's not a matter of jealousy or your views on foreign/korean dynamics, it's just the same old story of bored misanthropes on the internet trying to cook up methods of smashing down what elates and encourages others. you see it in every thread about a B tier foreigner retiring or joining a new team. there is no right and wrong to it because there's no real debate. the one and only goal is to marginalize something people enjoy by answering questions about the relative value of accomplishments which no one asked
unless you're a team manager making a decision about whether to sign or renew a contract, the relative value of accomplishments in the scene shouldn't mean dick because we should all just be taking from the game whatever we like about it and celebrating it as friends
very sad  but on that note gg to bunny, even as a hyun fan its wicked to see something like this
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On August 04 2014 22:02 brickrd wrote:this thread has already become an insult to bunnys accomplishment and there's no fixing it now it's not a matter of jealousy or your views on foreign/korean dynamics, it's just the same old story of bored misanthropes on the internet trying to cook up methods of smashing down what elates and encourages others. you see it in every thread about a B tier foreigner retiring or joining a new team. there is no right and wrong to it because there's no real debate. the one and only goal is to marginalize something people enjoy by answering questions about the relative value of accomplishments which no one asked unless you're a team manager making a decision about whether to sign or renew a contract, the relative value of accomplishments in the scene shouldn't mean dick because we should all just be taking from the game whatever we like about it and celebrating it as friends very sad but on that note gg to bunny, even as a hyun fan its wicked to see something like this
Yeah i bet bunny really cares when he gets his paycheck and prize money. Get a grip.
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