Don't understand why anyone (supposed fans of the game

Furthermore, the final match was very entertaining, which is probably what matters most for the 35k people that were watching.
Forum Index > SC2 General |
RHoudini
Belgium3626 Posts
Don't understand why anyone (supposed fans of the game ![]() Furthermore, the final match was very entertaining, which is probably what matters most for the 35k people that were watching. | ||
Neptuneajax
Australia206 Posts
| ||
Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2014 18:39 sunship wrote: I understand that people see "foreigner beat korean in a finals" and want to be blinded by this concept of "hype" (one of the worst buzzwords to exist in this era IMO) but I feel like this should be said: For a while, overseas events in particular have had basically the same handful of low-mid tier Koreans (compared to Code S competitors) attending them to face off against foreigners who are admittedly better than average. I feel that this is more than likely in an attempt to set this kind of scenario up, because it's obvious how much attention events receive and how easy it is to "hype" up the chance of something like this happening. However, if you step back and compare the kind of Korean they're facing, it's really not that impressive, and it's almost expected at this point for these Koreans to lose, because they're not the same quality of Korean that competes in Korea. To me, it seems like these Koreans in particular (coincidentally, MC HyuN jjakji MMA StarDust are perhaps the five that attend the most of these events out of any set of Koreans) keep being invited because not only are foreign fans more capable of recognizing them compared to other Koreans (because they keep getting invited) but also because to a foreigner, they're the most beatable Koreans nowadays, and when all the vast majority of foreign fans are capable of seeing is "a foreigner beat a Korean", the quality of Korean that the foreigner is beating is irrelevant. I don't mean to rain on a parade here, but it's been obvious for a while, to me at least, what tournaments have been trying to do in this regard when it comes to the whole foreigner taking on the Korean menace bias. I'm probably going to be lambasted because people still think of most of those players listed as if they're still in their 2012 form, which would make a foreigner beating them special, but it's almost 2015, and nearly every single Korean that is actively invited and/or attends foreign events would more than likely struggle to qualify for Code A - just like foreigners. [...] You guys are getting trolled, don't bother... | ||
Faefae
2202 Posts
![]() | ||
Theratty
Poland1 Post
| ||
DMK 87
20 Posts
| ||
ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On August 04 2014 19:01 einherier wrote: Hes totally right, just take a look at ur own TLPD rankings and compare it to the wcs ranking, not even one of the 10 highest WCS players is in your Top 10. That WCS system is the problem, european and foreignkoreans get most WCS points despite having the easiest opponents just because they get the biggest support from their teams and organisations. Bunny did great, he deserved the win and all, but was it worth 750 WCS points ? Clearly not. thats the amount u get for getting RO4 in Code S, which is with any love for Bunny and the whole TeamLiquid not even close to comparable. I think you are undervaluing Bunny's accomplishment by trying to equate a tournament's standing in the context of wcs points. According to tree hugger Bunny has become... The first non-Korean player to win a WCS point tournament ever. The first non-Korean Terran to win a major offline tournament since Xenocider won IEF 2013 The first non-Korean terran to win a tournament with significant Koreans in attendance (major or premier) since ThorZaIN won 2012 DH Open Stockholm And this is... The largest prize ever won by a foreign Terran http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2cis85/gfinity_g3_finals_results/cjfvgwa ... That's some nice accomplishments for Bunny. | ||
Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On August 04 2014 19:01 RHoudini wrote: And Hyun was nearly a Code S Champion (runner-up in Code S 2012 Season 5). Don't understand why anyone (supposed fans of the game ![]() Furthermore, the final match was very entertaining, which is probably what matters most for the 35k people that were watching. Some ppl just get jealous when someone is successful in something they love. | ||
ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On August 04 2014 19:16 DMK 87 wrote: are vods available anywhere? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/119948-small-sc2-vod-thread?page=23#453 | ||
SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
| ||
Oasx
Denmark72 Posts
On August 04 2014 19:01 einherier wrote: That WCS system is the problem, european and foreignkoreans get most WCS points despite having the easiest opponents just because they get the biggest support from their teams and organisations. Surely at some point the Koreans themselves need to step up and improve their scene. We already have Koreans winning WCS EU and US, should they also be receiving extra WCS pity points now? All the tournaments are in Europe and the US, because that is where the vast majority of fans and money are, so either more Korean players need to travel to these events, or there needs to be more Korean events. I watched Broodwar, and i know why Korea has a special place, in the heart of a lot of Starcraft fans i just don't think the scene is helped by them constantly getting special treatment. | ||
KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
On August 04 2014 18:39 sunship wrote: I'm probably going to be lambasted Damn right you are going to be lambasted. Your whole post not only disrespects the Koreans who attended the event, you're also trying to undermine the legitimate achievement of the champion himself. As well as all the Koreans that attended the qualifiers. First off, try taking a look at all the Koreans who have participated in the event that you're trying to label as weaker than the top Koreans: - Hyun - Stardust - jjakji - MC - MMA Check all their tournament and team league performances just for Heart of the Swarm. Heart of the Swarm did not come out in 2012. Check their recent accomplishments. Check their performances in 2013 and 2014. Now try saying the same bullshit you just spouted. You not only dissed a reigning WCS EU champion in Stardust, you also dissed a multiple runner-up and former WCS EU champion in MC, and the previous champion before him who is also a current team league monster in MMA. Not to mention Hyun, who has placed highly in many tournaments in both 2013 and 2014 and is also the former reigning champion of WCS AM, and jjakji who always manages to get deep into tournaments he enters, regardless of the amount of Koreans present. These same people have fought against many current Kespa team players and have traded wins with some of their best and continue to do so. The same people who hold WCS rankings 1 (MC), 2 (Hyun), 3 (Stardust), 9 (jjakji) and 19 (MMA). You deserve all the hate you are going to get for your stupid post, and I hope you will learn to stop saying stupid shit like this from now on. | ||
ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
This year already looks better in regards to foreigner achievements than the whole of 2013 ![]() | ||
Ketama)Djin(
Germany2590 Posts
i think the changes in thors and mines are really good for tvz | ||
Rainmansc
Netherlands216 Posts
| ||
einherier
Germany2 Posts
On August 04 2014 19:26 Oasx wrote: All the tournaments are in Europe and the US, because that is where the vast majority of fans and money are, so either more Korean players need to travel to these events, or there needs to be more Korean events. Yeah thats the problem, fans wanna see such foreigner wins against top korean stuff, but this is not whats happening. we see a foreigner win against a midtier korean leading in a corrupted ranking (wcs). gfinity and blizzard are they ones to blame for this, gfinity clearly was aganist the WCS rules. sure its an important news and an astounding achievement, but it still leaves a bad taste. | ||
boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
| ||
endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
| ||
Pino
1032 Posts
| ||
![]()
nimdil
Poland3747 Posts
| ||
| ||
![]() StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War League of Legends Counter-Strike Super Smash Bros Heroes of the Storm Other Games Organizations
StarCraft 2 • Berry_CruncH254 StarCraft: Brood War• Catreina ![]() • AfreecaTV YouTube • intothetv ![]() • Kozan • IndyKCrew ![]() • LaughNgamezSOOP • Migwel ![]() • sooper7s Dota 2 League of Legends Other Games |
Wardi Open
Monday Night Weeklies
PiGosaur Monday
OSC
Code For Giants Cup
The PondCast
Replay Cast
SC Evo Complete
Classic vs uThermal
SOOP StarCraft League
CranKy Ducklings
[ Show More ] [BSL 2025] Weekly
SOOP StarCraft League
Sparkling Tuna Cup
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
|
|