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On August 04 2014 19:42 einherier wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 19:26 Oasx wrote:
All the tournaments are in Europe and the US, because that is where the vast majority of fans and money are, so either more Korean players need to travel to these events, or there needs to be more Korean events.
Yeah thats the problem, fans wanna see such foreigner wins against top korean stuff, but this is not whats happening. we see a foreigner win against a midtier korean leading in a corrupted ranking (wcs). gfinity and blizzard are they ones to blame for this, gfinity clearly was aganist the WCS rules. sure its an important news and an astounding achievement, but it still leaves a bad taste.
My point was that there is nothing stopping these top tier Koreans from attending the same tournaments as every other player, they can choose not to, but I don't think we should give them pity points for sitting at home. If they cannot afford the travel, then they should work on creating more tournaments in Korea, there are a ton smaller tournaments in Europe and the US, there is no reason Korea can't have the same thing. I doubt that the majority of fans really care whether a Korean is mid-tier or not, I don't watch GSL and Pro league, so I honestly don't know much about what goes on there, or who the latest top tier player is. Hyun is known to a lot of people, and they consider him to be really good at the game, that is all they need.
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should be included in the article, thx!
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On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world.
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On August 04 2014 18:39 sunship wrote: I understand that people see "foreigner beat korean in a finals" and want to be blinded by this concept of "hype" (one of the worst buzzwords to exist in this era IMO) but I feel like this should be said:
For a while, overseas events in particular have had basically the same handful of low-mid tier Koreans (compared to Code S competitors) attending them to face off against foreigners who are admittedly better than average. I feel that this is more than likely in an attempt to set this kind of scenario up, because it's obvious how much attention events receive and how easy it is to "hype" up the chance of something like this happening. However, if you step back and compare the kind of Korean they're facing, it's really not that impressive, and it's almost expected at this point for these Koreans to lose, because they're not the same quality of Korean that competes in Korea.
To me, it seems like these Koreans in particular (coincidentally, MC HyuN jjakji MMA StarDust are perhaps the five that attend the most of these events out of any set of Koreans) keep being invited because not only are foreign fans more capable of recognizing them compared to other Koreans (because they keep getting invited) but also because to a foreigner, they're the most beatable Koreans nowadays, and when all the vast majority of foreign fans are capable of seeing is "a foreigner beat a Korean", the quality of Korean that the foreigner is beating is irrelevant.
I don't mean to rain on a parade here, but it's been obvious for a while, to me at least, what tournaments have been trying to do in this regard when it comes to the whole foreigner taking on the Korean menace bias. I'm probably going to be lambasted because people still think of most of those players listed as if they're still in their 2012 form, which would make a foreigner beating them special, but it's almost 2015, and nearly every single Korean that is actively invited and/or attends foreign events would more than likely struggle to qualify for Code A - just like foreigners.
Wow...You are a...Wow..Do you have a brain?
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On August 04 2014 19:01 einherier wrote: Hes totally right, just take a look at ur own TLPD rankings and compare it to the wcs ranking, not even one of the 10 highest WCS players is in your Top 10. That WCS system is the problem, european and foreignkoreans get most WCS points despite having the easiest opponents just because they get the biggest support from their teams and organisations.
Bunny did great, he deserved the win and all, but was it worth 750 WCS points ? Clearly not. thats the amount u get for getting RO4 in Code S, which is with any love for Bunny and the whole TeamLiquid not even close to comparable.
Taeja...
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On August 04 2014 19:56 Rollora wrote:should be included in the article, thx!
Added to the menu
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Congratz to Bunny, a great win for TL.
I get that some ppl don`t consider this a big win since there are no GSL koreans in this tournament, but this doesn`t mean that Bunny doesnt had a great run, just be happy for him.
About the best koreans in the world again.. GSL is a different format.. with a lot of preparation between the games, which suits better the players who are not traveling allot and can prepare for the games. I agree that there are a core of like 8 kespa koreans who are in top 16 players of the world, but you cannot talk trash on Taeja for example who have beaten lot of kespa koreans and he didn`t even won a WCS or GSL so far. Also agree that WCS system is somehow corrupt and some players have more access to rated tournaments, but this game is made for the viewers and any tournament which has foreigners or eu/na koreans in it will rise more viewers. Last words.. if you put top 8 koreans from kespa vs top 8 non kespa players (koreans+foreigners) probably the kespa players will win, but it will not be 8-0.. probably 8-4, 8-5.
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Well played Bunny! Well deserved victory and it's very impressive to see you improve so much all the time at such a constant rate!
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hahaha look at him kissing the trophy like he thinks hes won a GSL... but this tournament has some pathetic koreans such as all-in MC and hyun
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Really entertaining final and a well deserved outcome - congratulations Bunny!
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On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world.
If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world.
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On August 04 2014 21:01 Nuka wrote: hahaha look at him kissing the trophy like he thinks hes won a GSL... but this tournament has some pathetic koreans such as all-in MC and hyun The only one pathetic in this comment is author. Go away.
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finally someone did it !
btw there is a little spelling mistake in the first line of the last paragraph.
int he
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On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...?
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On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...?
Yeah because you'll lose code-s.
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On August 04 2014 19:27 KanoCoke wrote:Damn right you are going to be lambasted. Your whole post not only disrespects the Koreans who attended the event, you're also trying to undermine the legitimate achievement of the champion himself. As well as all the Koreans that attended the qualifiers. First off, try taking a look at all the Koreans who have participated in the event that you're trying to label as weaker than the top Koreans: - Hyun- Stardust- jjakji- MC- MMACheck all their tournament and team league performances just for Heart of the Swarm. Heart of the Swarm did not come out in 2012. Check their recent accomplishments. Check their performances in 2013 and 2014. Now try saying the same bullshit you just spouted. You not only dissed a reigning WCS EU champion in Stardust, you also dissed a multiple runner-up and former WCS EU champion in MC, and the previous champion before him who is also a current team league monster in MMA. Not to mention Hyun, who has placed highly in many tournaments in both 2013 and 2014 and is also the former reigning champion of WCS AM, and jjakji who always manages to get deep into tournaments he enters, regardless of the amount of Koreans present. These same people have fought against many current Kespa team players and have traded wins with some of their best and continue to do so. The same people who hold WCS rankings 1 (MC), 2 (Hyun), 3 (Stardust), 9 (jjakji) and 19 (MMA). You deserve all the hate you are going to get for your stupid post, and I hope you will learn to stop saying stupid shit like this from now on. hahahahhahahha id love to see all them koreans in code-s today. Just because they win some stupid foreign joke tournament dosent mean they are capable of competing anymore at top level play. I will keep spouting my bs thanks
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On August 04 2014 21:12 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. Or because culture, language, socialisation, homesickness etc.
Well we did have a couple of foreigners who were labelled the best at the time competing in gsl. This is when MC could all in everygame in korea and still win, What happened to them? Oh.
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On August 04 2014 21:09 Nuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 21:06 nimdil wrote:On August 04 2014 21:04 Nuka wrote:On August 04 2014 19:58 Foreverkul wrote:On August 04 2014 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Those guys are not Code S champions that is true. However they are at the top of the WCS rankings. They got there because they have proven to be ahead of the foreigners every time they face them. For most of them their skill level appears to be Code S level even if it is not Code S championship level.
That's who he took out and who others have not been able to take out before him. It's incredibly impressive. Nobody is claiming he won a Code S championship.
I think people are stuck on "Not in Code S = Bad" when in reality theres many people not in Code S that could easily be considered the best players in the world. If your not competing at the top level in korea, you dont deserve to be labelled the best player in the world. Or you just don't want to be in Korea for some reason...? Yeah because you'll lose code-s. You not neccesarily lose in Code S, just because you don't participate in it. Taeja is probably top 3 terran on the planet and does not participate in Code S. Let's be honest here, could Cure/TY/Reality 3-0 Zest? I find that highly unlikely. Ofc. Code S is still the strongest tournament in the world, but it is also suffering from the region split. I don't think, that people like Hush or Terminator could make it to Code S, if Taeja, Hyun, MC, Bomber, San and co would still be in korea.
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