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WCS America - Pigbaby Flies the Royal Road - Page 5

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Nripesh
Profile Joined December 2013
France7 Posts
July 08 2014 07:03 GMT
#81
Pigbaby + Classic + Stardust this season. No problem. Everything is fine. 11/15 major tournaments won by Protoss.
This game...
<3 Scarlett
Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
July 08 2014 08:31 GMT
#82
On July 08 2014 15:34 Daswollvieh wrote:
So, was there some good Pigbaby hype during the tournament or was it "some guy" winning?

Poor Bomber, he would have been a glorious champion.


There was more Pigbaby hype than Bomber hype. I'm pretty sure the majority of the crowd wanted him to win after his mass observer play, carrier play, etc. He may have been unkown before the tournament but he comes away with a lot of fans. And this is coming from a terran player who really wanted Bomber to win.

After this tournament, I was actually more dissapointed with soO losing the GSL than Bomber losing to Pigbaby.
The Devil Terran - The Ambitious Terran - The Towel Terran - The Macro Master Terran - The Tyrant
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
July 08 2014 08:38 GMT
#83
How can you dislike someone who tries a 2 base carrier build in his most important series (till now).
I hope Pigbaby can bring some madness to Blizzcon aswell (hes pretty much guaranteed to be there with a WCS win, right?)
Wragg
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
12 Posts
July 08 2014 08:52 GMT
#84
Good write-up, grats.Did anybody put their hands on these marvelous replays? If so, please hint, pm, link & whatnot.
Power Overwhelming
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 08:57:36
July 08 2014 08:57 GMT
#85
admin's moustache is the most epic thing on this picture.
great write-up, stuchiu!
Pigbaby deserved it, the games were not perfect but they were more than exciting, congratz GGWP.
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I love america
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 09:01:04
July 08 2014 09:00 GMT
#86
On July 08 2014 00:09 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 00:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
No one predicted that he could have gone this far


idunno, stuch'. Pretty sure that at least one guy did as soon as he found out that Pigbaby had entered the qualifier

Edit: Oh and here is the vod playlist on Youtube

I also made a spoiler free list here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22525050

Thx for the link !
pieroog
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland146 Posts
July 08 2014 09:12 GMT
#87
whenever he dropped that fake-hype-mode, QXC was the man during this event....
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
July 08 2014 09:47 GMT
#88
On July 08 2014 17:31 Radicalness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 15:34 Daswollvieh wrote:
So, was there some good Pigbaby hype during the tournament or was it "some guy" winning?

Poor Bomber, he would have been a glorious champion.


There was more Pigbaby hype than Bomber hype. I'm pretty sure the majority of the crowd wanted him to win after his mass observer play, carrier play, etc. He may have been unkown before the tournament but he comes away with a lot of fans. And this is coming from a terran player who really wanted Bomber to win.

After this tournament, I was actually more dissapointed with soO losing the GSL than Bomber losing to Pigbaby.


Was at the venue during the Top 8, can confirm the level of Pigbaby hype. There was already a bit of it before he played Taeja, just because he was the underdog who nobody had ever heard of, going up against a seemingly-unstoppable force. Then the observers happened. At first, that hype was just a couple of guys. But the observers kept coming. And it kept working. And by the end of the Ro8, he was the People's Champion. His PvZ was pretty formulaic, but the hype he had already generated carried him through - long enough for Carriers to seal him as the crowd favorite FOREVER.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
HN_KrO
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom9 Posts
July 08 2014 10:36 GMT
#89
I can't remember one race dominating sc2 so hard since Terran back in 2010. At least the game was new then.... Oh well gratz to Pigbaby I suppose.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
July 08 2014 11:47 GMT
#90
On July 08 2014 13:28 [Droids]StarCreator wrote:
It's so upsetting to see a player like Bomber, who so clearly outplayed his opponent, lose because of the game balance. It's becoming increasingly obvious that even the Korean terrans now understand that they have a better chance at base racing in late game TvP than they do in engaging their opponents army. Everyone knows the game needs some serious reworking, and i'm afraid if something isn't done to help the game balance to make things more interesting, and fun, starcraft will most certainly lose what's left of its already fading fan base

User was banned for this post.

you didnt even watch the games
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
bubulled
Profile Joined July 2014
1 Post
July 08 2014 12:01 GMT
#91
Why is such a big difference between the WCS EU trophy and the WCS AM trophy? Not cool..
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
July 08 2014 12:06 GMT
#92
Honestly... Bomber's Law went full circle.
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robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
July 08 2014 12:25 GMT
#93
David Kim
At the highest level all three races are performing quiet evenly


Congratz to pigbaby he played well, but seriously this is getting old reaaaaaaally fast.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
pichoo
Profile Joined May 2014
Australia123 Posts
July 08 2014 13:23 GMT
#94
Pigbaby is not unknown for those following korean scene. He definitely prepared his match well, kind of surprise the difference in play style againts taeja and bomber.

It also shows that top players in wcs am get a bit 'lazy' or too comfortable winning without needing to prepare well against specific players. All of a sudden a mid level player from korea arrived and well prepared in all his matches and won the tourney.

ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12758 Posts
July 08 2014 13:46 GMT
#95
Really gets to show how well prepared pigbaby was, that last game was design specifically against bomber strategy
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 15:11:06
July 08 2014 15:04 GMT
#96
On July 08 2014 15:04 Samx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2014 13:28 [Droids]StarCreator wrote:
It's so upsetting to see a player like Bomber, who so clearly outplayed his opponent, lose because of the game balance. It's becoming increasingly obvious that even the Korean terrans now understand that they have a better chance at base racing in late game TvP than they do in engaging their opponents army. Everyone knows the game needs some serious reworking, and i'm afraid if something isn't done to help the game balance to make things more interesting, and fun, starcraft will most certainly lose what's left of its already fading fan base


How was it that bomber clearly outplayed pigbaby?
Game 1: Carrier rush, failed. Bomber won, spamming marines against carriers.
Game 2: When Pig baby attacked, he had 16 stalkers, 4 sentries, 1 MSC, 1 oracle on +1 armour upgrade vs bomber who had 20 marines and 2 marauders and 1 widow mine and 2 low energy medivac. Bomber refuse to build bunker even when he saw what was coming. When the attack come, his only bunker wasn't even complete.
Game 3: Immortal bust. 3 bunkers up for bomber. unstim marines, no medivac. Easy hold by bomber.
Game 4: Pigbaby on 3 base for the majority of the game. Bomber on 2 base.20 workers killed by bomber hellion runby with photon overcharge active, bomber had nothing at home vs the 2 oracles. Pigbaby outplayed bomber in this game, until a bad engagement against MMM ball and his entire army was decimated.
Game 5. Bomber did not scout, totally unprepared against DT. Bomber respond by going across the map with 2 medivac and about 20 units, with photon overcharge active and pigbaby's army being around. Bomber was still able to kill the nexus and get away with 1 medivac full of unit. After being behind the whole game, bomber would have forced the draw if he swap the dead space between cc and rax.
Game 6. Again Pigbaby clearly outplayed bomber by far. Bomber does not scout. Some storm drop. When bomber was attacking with MMMM, pigbaby out-multitask him with more storm drops and zealots warpin. Bomber just let his scv dies at home. Against Marauder, archon and HT storm composition, Bomber just had MMMM, no ghost.
Game 7. Gangnam Terran. Pigbaby clearly was well prepared for this with the tempest build.

Overall. Pigbaby had the benefit of knowing he would play a Terran if he got past Hyun. Bomber could not prepare as well. It was obvious in the games. Pigbaby came in very well prepared, knowing exactly how he wanted to play each map.And I think throughout all 7 games, IIRC, not a single ghost or viking(except on Habitation station for the 1-1-1) was made by bomber. He did not scout what was coming in the games. Bomber play every game using one strategy. Build MMM, go across and win. In fact, if anything, the games prove that MMM is far OP than protoss. MMM all day, everyday, and Bomber nearly won, despite Pigbaby being far more prepared with builds, outplaying Bomber by far in most games and yet it was so close that Bomber could have won. Indeed, bomber would have won if it was a BO5 and he would have done it playing nothing but MMM.

I think that is the problem of balance today. Most Terran players do not try new things, and are still stuck on 2011 mindset. I make MMM and I will auto-win. There was a recent game where Major played, he just swap the tech lab onto the starport, make 1 raven to support his army and it made a lot of difference in the game. Unit tech for Terran is so much easier than protoss because you can swap the buildings onto tech lab except for BC and Ghost. But yet, all we see is MMM everyday. The ghost is such a powerful unit against protoss and yet we only see them being built if there are HT.


My comment is regarding the "bolded" quotes you made. You really need to consider what new units Terran's received in HoTs versus Protoss: There is nothing substantial past the 10 minute mark, unless you count Hellbats going mech (and not many go mech for obvious reasons). And most are shut down before 10 minutes b/c of the MSC (i.e. Helbat or WM drops). The fact you said BC versus Protoss made me laugh. Tempest is a HARD counter to BC. Not only does the Tempest significantly outrange the BC and deals more damage but it costs 400 minerals/ 300 gas and 6 supply versus 300 minerals/200 gas and 4 suppy. In addition, against Battlecruisers, an un-upgraded Tempest will take eight shots to kill a single ship, with +1 Weapons, a Tempest needs only seven (even against +3 armor upgraded BCs). So to recap: Not only is Terran stuck in WoL with the HoTs expansion, but there are new hard counters to older units (like the BC). Don't get me wrong, I play mech versus Protoss in Masters and I've tried proxy BC. Its fun, but you won't win. One Photon Overchange and 1 stalker shut it down. At least my opponent commented I was innovative, but in the end i still lost.

Anyway, this is not the place for a balance discussion. Pigbaby won and the games were at least entertaining to see the different, innovative ways Terrans can lose to Protoss.

EDIT: I see you were talking about BC and Ghost with tech labs. I'm not sure you were implying this style or just commenting. But I'm not seeing what new "innovative" examples you are suggesting; especially, with my comments above regarding Terran's options.
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dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
July 08 2014 16:01 GMT
#97
Nicely written ^_^
<3
eightym
Profile Joined May 2011
United States76 Posts
July 08 2014 17:26 GMT
#98
On July 08 2014 06:27 Wintex wrote:
The gradient in the header of the post is..... so meh.



Comon. You're Terran, right? There's a billion things you could complain about this tournament, and you choose the gradient :D
Winterhearted
Profile Joined October 2012
Ukraine28 Posts
July 08 2014 18:28 GMT
#99
Protoss again XD.
Novacute
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia313 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 18:48:30
July 08 2014 18:41 GMT
#100
On July 08 2014 22:23 pichoo wrote:
Pigbaby is not unknown for those following korean scene. He definitely prepared his match well, kind of surprise the difference in play style againts taeja and bomber.

It also shows that top players in wcs am get a bit 'lazy' or too comfortable winning without needing to prepare well against specific players. All of a sudden a mid level player from korea arrived and well prepared in all his matches and won the tourney.



Exactly. We also need to realise that PigBaby is a former Kespa player. As it stands, their mechanics are clearly better than non-kespa Koreans (at least half of them) and this is demonstrated by him. Compound the fact that he comes prepared well and probably with some assistance from his former team-mates and friends who are from Kespa Teams, it shouldn't be a surprise to see him handle his matches so well. Still sad to see Bomber lose though, but we shouldn't disregard PigBaby's achievement.
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