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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 11 2014 16:04 GMT
#61
On July 04 2014 19:42 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2014 10:07 Bigtony wrote:
On July 03 2014 03:00 Waise wrote:
incredible interview, frodan's insights seem really smart and fair and kind of cast a different light on the situation. i don't think it's right to say he's drinking the koolaid given that he was pretty candid about the failures and misdeeds as well as the few positives. it is possible, after all, for well meaning people to get involved with something they really believe in and still screw up abysmally because of incompetence and/or idealism. maybe it's fair to say he knew what he was getting into, maybe it's fair to call the whole thing "shady," but i don't see any reason to doubt his version of events


From the word go everything about the project said 100% failure. It was IPL/Azubu/NASL all over again.


I can say that about many things. There is a reason why I got out back when I did. More power to those who are try and earn a good living off this stuff. I like to think of it like poker where only a select few really profit from it and as for the rest. Well, they're just a bunch of saps who ship it forward and keep the poker wheel spinning. Without those people though where would the new money come? It wouldn't so keep that wheel spinning.

So what you are saying is, the masses have to be scammed so that the wheel keeps on spinning and a few can continue to profit? Or did I get this wrong?
Off-season = best season
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
July 11 2014 16:27 GMT
#62
On July 12 2014 01:04 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 19:42 StarStruck wrote:
On July 03 2014 10:07 Bigtony wrote:
On July 03 2014 03:00 Waise wrote:
incredible interview, frodan's insights seem really smart and fair and kind of cast a different light on the situation. i don't think it's right to say he's drinking the koolaid given that he was pretty candid about the failures and misdeeds as well as the few positives. it is possible, after all, for well meaning people to get involved with something they really believe in and still screw up abysmally because of incompetence and/or idealism. maybe it's fair to say he knew what he was getting into, maybe it's fair to call the whole thing "shady," but i don't see any reason to doubt his version of events


From the word go everything about the project said 100% failure. It was IPL/Azubu/NASL all over again.


I can say that about many things. There is a reason why I got out back when I did. More power to those who are try and earn a good living off this stuff. I like to think of it like poker where only a select few really profit from it and as for the rest. Well, they're just a bunch of saps who ship it forward and keep the poker wheel spinning. Without those people though where would the new money come? It wouldn't so keep that wheel spinning.

So what you are saying is, the masses have to be scammed so that the wheel keeps on spinning and a few can continue to profit? Or did I get this wrong?


That's not how the world works?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 11 2014 16:45 GMT
#63
On July 12 2014 01:04 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 19:42 StarStruck wrote:
On July 03 2014 10:07 Bigtony wrote:
On July 03 2014 03:00 Waise wrote:
incredible interview, frodan's insights seem really smart and fair and kind of cast a different light on the situation. i don't think it's right to say he's drinking the koolaid given that he was pretty candid about the failures and misdeeds as well as the few positives. it is possible, after all, for well meaning people to get involved with something they really believe in and still screw up abysmally because of incompetence and/or idealism. maybe it's fair to say he knew what he was getting into, maybe it's fair to call the whole thing "shady," but i don't see any reason to doubt his version of events


From the word go everything about the project said 100% failure. It was IPL/Azubu/NASL all over again.


I can say that about many things. There is a reason why I got out back when I did. More power to those who are try and earn a good living off this stuff. I like to think of it like poker where only a select few really profit from it and as for the rest. Well, they're just a bunch of saps who ship it forward and keep the poker wheel spinning. Without those people though where would the new money come? It wouldn't so keep that wheel spinning.

So what you are saying is, the masses have to be scammed so that the wheel keeps on spinning and a few can continue to profit? Or did I get this wrong?


He's saying it's a rat race
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
babochee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States31 Posts
July 20 2014 18:08 GMT
#64
Wait... who is ESGN. I actively watch gaming from here all the time and somehow I've never heard of these guys.
AMIRITE?
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