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Qxc 
Grats to Violet, first televised WCS game in a longgg time in RO16
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Yay, Korea 
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Gotta feel for qxc. Almost beat the group.
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yay koreans!
more koreans, better games
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qxc SO CLOSE
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Glad viOLet made it out of the group. My prediction was right. :D
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United States97277 Posts
so close qxc
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On May 27 2014 12:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
yay koreans!
more koreans, better games
Don't know if I agree with your statement. I actually find Korean's doing less innovative builds than non-Korean. I'm not a huge fan of QXC but at least I commend him for thinking outside of the box. I've also seen non-Korean mech a lot better than Koreans these days. Some of the WCS KR mech air-vs-air is appalling with Raven micro. It's like they don't know how to play meta. I actually saw two Koreans in WCS stand there while they both shot HSM at each other, both pretty much crossing their fingers to see who would come out on top (sorry, i forget the game). Avilo would likely shake his head in disgust. Regardless, I see more interesting games on EU and US than KR. Feel free to link any "non-standard" WCS KR games that were entertaining. I'm not saying you have to take it to the RUFF level with 3-starport cloak banshee off one-base TvP; but somehwere in between. Thanks.
EDIT: If you mean better as in "skillwise" then I think Korean wins it. But as far as creativity, diversification and entertainment level I disagree. I think I'd rather sacrafice a "standard" build performed perfectly versus seeing something new and refreshing.
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damn qxc you were so close, good games.
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qxc noooo
Oz must fall
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United States806 Posts
On May 27 2014 14:23 SirPinky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 12:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
yay koreans!
more koreans, better games Don't know if I agree with your statement. I actually find Korean's doing less innovative builds than non-Korean. I'm not a huge fan of QXC but at least I commend him for thinking outside of the box. I've also seen non-Korean mech a lot better than Koreans these days. Some of the WCS KR mech air-vs-air is appalling with Raven micro. It's like they don't know how to play meta. I actually saw two Koreans in WCS stand there while they both shot HSM at each other, both pretty much crossing their fingers to see who would come out on top (sorry, i forget the game). Avilo would likely shake his head in disgust. Regardless, I see more interesting games on EU and US than KR. Feel free to link any "non-standard" WCS KR games that were entertaining. I'm not saying you have to take it to the RUFF level with 3-starport cloak banshee off one-base TvP; but somehwere in between. Thanks. EDIT: If you mean better as in "skillwise" then I think Korean wins it. But as far as creativity, diversification and entertainment level I disagree. I think I'd rather sacrafice a "standard" build performed perfectly versus seeing something new and refreshing.
I just wanted to log in and say agree, I feel like from that standpoint QXC won the night, too bad he had to face the same guy again so basically he couldn't surprise Oz and then pure robotic skill won.
All these pro-Korea people are really weird... I can't see not loving it if QXC won he tries so hard and works so hard to be a top Terran. You really want any Korean over QXC or just trolling? SMH
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Austria4570 Posts
On May 27 2014 16:14 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 14:23 SirPinky wrote:On May 27 2014 12:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
yay koreans!
more koreans, better games Don't know if I agree with your statement. I actually find Korean's doing less innovative builds than non-Korean. I'm not a huge fan of QXC but at least I commend him for thinking outside of the box. I've also seen non-Korean mech a lot better than Koreans these days. Some of the WCS KR mech air-vs-air is appalling with Raven micro. It's like they don't know how to play meta. I actually saw two Koreans in WCS stand there while they both shot HSM at each other, both pretty much crossing their fingers to see who would come out on top (sorry, i forget the game). Avilo would likely shake his head in disgust. Regardless, I see more interesting games on EU and US than KR. Feel free to link any "non-standard" WCS KR games that were entertaining. I'm not saying you have to take it to the RUFF level with 3-starport cloak banshee off one-base TvP; but somehwere in between. Thanks. EDIT: If you mean better as in "skillwise" then I think Korean wins it. But as far as creativity, diversification and entertainment level I disagree. I think I'd rather sacrafice a "standard" build performed perfectly versus seeing something new and refreshing. I just wanted to log in and say agree, I feel like from that standpoint QXC won the night, too bad he had to face the same guy again so basically he couldn't surprise Oz and then pure robotic skill won. All these pro-Korea people are really weird... I can't see not loving it if QXC won he tries so hard and works so hard to be a top Terran. You really want any Korean over QXC or just trolling? SMH
If every foreigner would work "so hard", then we would see results more often. Also the creative builds seen on EU/AM ladder appear better then they are , cause the opposition is not strong enough to just kill them outright if they are used more then one time.
All in all i would not call pro korean people weird, its perfectly fine to admire their skill to win games, with every means necessary.
But having foreigners in the scene at least attracts more fans and makes sc2 quite big, so i hope we will see a few of them qualify.
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On May 27 2014 12:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
yay koreans!
more koreans, better games
If I want to watch koreans, I watch GSL (which I do regularly, just really good games there). When I watch WCS EU, I watch because of the european players, and I always hope they throw the koreans out of the tournament.
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On May 27 2014 12:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
yay koreans!
more koreans, better games
To be fair, better players, better games. If you win games, you are better player? So further in tournament, better games?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Well there's a reason why foreigners make up a small part of Best Games
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On May 27 2014 17:25 lichter wrote:
Well there's a reason why foreigners make up a small part of Best Games
True, but the point still stands that they can.
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On May 27 2014 17:09 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 12:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
yay koreans!
more koreans, better games To be fair, better players, better games. If you win games, you are better player? So further in tournament, better games?
i dont think you've been watching gsl finals at all. its roflstomps. so no, that isnt a valid argument.
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On May 27 2014 16:47 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 12:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
yay koreans!
more koreans, better games If I want to watch koreans, I watch GSL (which I do regularly, just really good games there). When I watch WCS EU, I watch because of the european players, and I always hope they throw the koreans out of the tournament.
couldnt agree with you more. the koreans (with the exception of bomber and mc) playing outside of korea seem like they couldnt hack it in korea. why would i want them to beat up the NA/EU scene? but i guess theyre here because there isnt much in korea besides gsl and proleague. if we want a korean free scene in NA/EU we just gotta hope korea expands their scene.
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The first game of the second match between oz and qxc was so wrong. I'm so sad for qxc, he showed he deserved to be in the ro16 easily, but this game made me straight up close the stream and want to never play sc2 again. It just makes no sense to lose almost all your main probes vs a simple stim push and then camp on 2 bases for the win without any major comeback play other than picking a few empty medivacs with blink...
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On May 27 2014 12:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
yay koreans!
more koreans, better games
Then watch GSL or your other koreans formats, where you see high quality games by only koreans.
For myself i find it quite boring to see again not a single American guy advance in their own qualifier.
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Two koreans in denial and qxc :/
My heart feels for qxc though.
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Its absolutly unfair the way people treat Oz , its really disguting .
Not giving any kudos to the guy , not even mentioning his cool plays , is really sad , I feel sad for him .
neverthless , nice games from QXC , next time he will advance for sure !!
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On May 27 2014 18:20 Nimix wrote:
The first game of the second match between oz and qxc was so wrong. I'm so sad for qxc, he showed he deserved to be in the ro16 easily, but this game made me straight up close the stream and want to never play sc2 again. It just makes no sense to lose almost all your main probes vs a simple stim push and then camp on 2 bases for the win without any major comeback play other than picking a few empty medivacs with blink...
Oz sniped several medivacs in that game and, empty or not, those are huge. At one point he had one or two medivacs for his whole army and he couldn't heal his army after a stim. QXC made some other mistakes as well.
I also feel qcx left that game too early. Oz was down to just gateway units and qxc still had 3 orbitals. It was really disappointing to see him leave like that, and it felt like he had no chance in the series from then on. That being said, qxc played really well and hopefully we see him in premier league again next season. He is easily my favorite foreign terran.
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Plz let americans play SC2, Blizzard. This championship has no sense. I know more koreans = more skill based game but who cares when you have noone to cheer for?
WCS system need to be rebuilt to galvanise AM scene. I see no interests for AM viewers If there is no half and half at least in top16.
5 AM players in RO32, this is ridiculous.
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On May 27 2014 20:45 Thyrym wrote:
Its absolutly unfair the way people treat Oz , its really disguting .
Not giving any kudos to the guy , not even mentioning his cool plays , is really sad , I feel sad for him .
neverthless , nice games from QXC , next time he will advance for sure !!
That's an overreaction. No one directly questioned Oz's skills, some even gave compliments (glad the Koreans are through, better games!) and as this is a forum we don't need to give each player equal time in all of our posts. People simply mention what struck them the most, which is QXC playing really well, being only one game away from qualifying, then losing 4 in a row. But here we go:
Violet beat Puck in his first try, while hyun lost the first time, then followed it up with playing smart against QXC in game 2 and 3 after losing the first one, so all-in-all a well deserved advancement to the round of 16.
Oz made a couple of mistakes during the first series against QXC, but crushed Puck in the losers match and followed it up with a nice comeback in game 1 and a solid victory in game 2 over QXC.
QXC is the tragic hero, playing amazing at the start of the evening beating Oz 2-1 unexpectedly, being so close to qualifying but just not being able to finish off the Koreans. He can leave this group with his head held high, but sadly not with a ro16 ticket.
Puck, despite finishing last, showed really good games against Violet showing that he still has his PvZ skills, but Violet was a little too strong this time. Oz was probably his worst match-up from this group and it showed - he tried valiantly but Oz seems very comfortable in PvP now and was just the better player in that match-up.
It's not that hard to do this, but it takes a lot of time to write down stuff from every game when you just want to express one thing.
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On May 27 2014 21:09 SinO[Ob] wrote:
Plz let americans play SC2, Blizzard. This championship has no sense. I know more koreans = more skill based game but who cares when you have noone to cheer for?
WCS system need to be rebuilt to galvanise AM scene. I see no interests for AM viewers If there is no half and half at least in top16.
They changed the rules to make it extremely unlikely for new Koreans to join who weren't already part of the system, and they can't just kick every Korean (besides Polt and Violet?) out as that's a pretty unfair setback to their careers. It's also not fun to force 8 American and 8 non-American players in the Ro16, as that leads to the American players being absolutely crushed almost all of the time.
What WCS actually does a good job in doing is giving Koreans to cheer for. The Koreans who play in WCS AM and WCS EU are on average way more easier to relate to than their Korean counterparts in their closed off environments. MC, MMA, Stardust, Jaedong, Polt, Violet, Golden, Hyun, HerO, Bomber, Nestea, Revival, CranK, Oz, Taeja, Alicia, JJ, San, Mvp & ForGG are all players who have their fanbases, speak English in some cases and are pretty well known among foreign audiences. Either way it's way more fun to just enjoy the games than to concern myself with the nationality of the players playing the game.
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RIP qxc's keyboard...
Im sad for him
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I feel frustrated about the first game qxc lost, in the looser final against Oz, he left the game way too early. Oz was something like 1 base and 15 worker behind and did not leave the game! He tried his best to come back (and succeed). When qxc left he was not in a good position, but it was still winnable (he was still ahead in worker and base count).
I feel Oz deserve his spot, not because he is better/Korean or whatever (both players made a lot of mistake, Oz was not very impressive), but because from what I can see in the game, he just tried harder to win an did not give up.
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it was SO close for QXC
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As much as I love Oz, one of my favorite protoss from NA scene, I'm sad QXC couldn't take the win. Some really good games in this group but Violet/Oz came out just like everyone knew they would. The thing is we're competing. Ro32 isn't no joke folks. The guys in premiere league are all very well rounded and very solid mechanically.
The bottom line is we're behind Korean skill and meta game. They played BW professionally for a decade. They've had pro games/players/teams and structure years ahead of everyone else. We are catching up though. Every season we get stronger and imo, we'll have some foreign players in the top 10-20 of the world soon enough. Noone said this is going to be easy, the koreans have worked their ass off. We must follow suit.
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On May 27 2014 21:09 Neemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 20:45 Thyrym wrote:
Its absolutly unfair the way people treat Oz , its really disguting .
Not giving any kudos to the guy , not even mentioning his cool plays , is really sad , I feel sad for him .
neverthless , nice games from QXC , next time he will advance for sure !! That's an overreaction. No one directly questioned Oz's skills, some even gave compliments (glad the Koreans are through, better games!) and as this is a forum we don't need to give each player equal time in all of our posts. People simply mention what struck them the most, which is QXC playing really well, being only one game away from qualifying, then losing 4 in a row. But here we go: Violet beat Puck in his first try, while hyun lost the first time, then followed it up with playing smart against QXC in game 2 and 3 after losing the first one, so all-in-all a well deserved advancement to the round of 16. Oz made a couple of mistakes during the first series against QXC, but crushed Puck in the losers match and followed it up with a nice comeback in game 1 and a solid victory in game 2 over QXC. QXC is the tragic hero, playing amazing at the start of the evening beating Oz 2-1 unexpectedly, being so close to qualifying but just not being able to finish off the Koreans. He can leave this group with his head held high, but sadly not with a ro16 ticket. Puck, despite finishing last, showed really good games against Violet showing that he still has his PvZ skills, but Violet was a little too strong this time. Oz was probably his worst match-up from this group and it showed - he tried valiantly but Oz seems very comfortable in PvP now and was just the better player in that match-up. It's not that hard to do this, but it takes a lot of time to write down stuff from every game when you just want to express one thing.
That not meant to you , or to anyone here, if someone took it bad way , im sorry .
Is just that people make it looks like :
''Oz is bad , he didn't deserved last season's second place ''
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Good series to watch no doubt. RIP QXC keyboard.
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qxc quit too early is a sign of his psychology. He has good strategy, great macro and micro, and I'm sure he practices a ton. But he lacks the final factor, which is a disciplined psychology.
Don't get me wrong, I think qxc has what it takes to be a true champion. Not every foreigner can claim an all-kill of IM near its peak . He just needs to work on his mindset. It almost seems like he went into the group without any expectations and simply playing his best, but after beating Oz and realizing that he was very close to getting out of the group in the winners' match, maybe he became nervous, or maybe he just wasn't actually mentally prepared to win, his mindset faltered, he became nervous and his confidence in himself was shaken.
qxc's emotional passion seems to be both his strength and his weakness. He is able to work very hard towards getting a win, and in top form he looks like a top Korean. But when his emotions blind him, he becomes unable to predict the bigger picture and gets tunnel vision. If qxc improves his mindset and believes more in himself, I think he can easily reach RO16, if not the semifinals and beyond.
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From his Twitter posts, it's pretty clear that qxc was feeling really good until he accidentally left one of his depots down and got crushed due to that simple mistake. After that, he was basically on tilt for the rest of the night.
It's sad, but hopefully he can learn to see the good side of this night's results to drive his motivation for next time.
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qxc will always be my favorite foreign terran and one of my favorite players of all time. He might not have the machine mechanics of top Korean terrans like Taeja or Innovation, but has the heart of an artist that seeks to innovate and create.
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qxc put on a very impressive display with his macro abilities in the first game against violet, and some excellent timing attacks. He definitely has the potential. Just has to work out those other issues, not sure what they are exactly maybe a mix of scouting and something else
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On May 27 2014 21:25 Neemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 21:09 SinO[Ob] wrote:
Plz let americans play SC2, Blizzard. This championship has no sense. I know more koreans = more skill based game but who cares when you have noone to cheer for?
WCS system need to be rebuilt to galvanise AM scene. I see no interests for AM viewers If there is no half and half at least in top16. They changed the rules to make it extremely unlikely for new Koreans to join who weren't already part of the system, and they can't just kick every Korean (besides Polt and Violet?) out as that's a pretty unfair setback to their careers. It's also not fun to force 8 American and 8 non-American players in the Ro16, as that leads to the American players being absolutely crushed almost all of the time. What WCS actually does a good job in doing is giving Koreans to cheer for. The Koreans who play in WCS AM and WCS EU are on average way more easier to relate to than their Korean counterparts in their closed off environments. MC, MMA, Stardust, Jaedong, Polt, Violet, Golden, Hyun, HerO, Bomber, Nestea, Revival, CranK, Oz, Taeja, Alicia, JJ, San, Mvp & ForGG are all players who have their fanbases, speak English in some cases and are pretty well known among foreign audiences. Either way it's way more fun to just enjoy the games than to concern myself with the nationality of the players playing the game.
The problem with that state of mind is that NA scene is just dead. NASL went down, MLG dont want stream SC2. Why? Because there is no or really few NA player to cheer for. So lot of people in USA will not go onto those events. Sincerly when I see WCS AM, I just feel helpless for any new AM player who wants to reach the top in their country.
If you want SC2 getting bigger give audience more than koreans vs koreans finals. And you guys know it that every Foreigner vs Korean match in RO8/4 and beyond as made the more audience than any Korean vs Korean match. This is not brood war anymore every countries wants to show their skills.
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Considering how poor the AM scene is doing, and things like shoutcraft USA went, I am fully against wcs am region lock
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coL.qxc ended in heartbreak as the Korean duo of 
viOLet and 
PkD.Oz advanced from Group C of the Ro32.
