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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 03 2014 16:16 GMT
#21
On April 03 2014 06:04 Derez wrote:
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Data provided by Newzoo. Enthusiasts are defined as frequest eSports viewers and eSports participants


It's just a bad report that hides actual data because they want to hype up the industry they're part of.


You can divide the numbers by 5-10 to get closer to the truth and they would still be fairly impressive relative to five years ago. That said, I agree.
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3684 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 16:37:42
April 03 2014 16:33 GMT
#22
On April 03 2014 04:28 ZAiNs wrote:
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On April 03 2014 04:26 BigFan wrote:
those are some good and scary numbers lol. $590M in 2015 for WoTs though, surprising.

Unfortunately as things get bigger game quality takes a back-seat to microtransactions .


Game quality has been taking a back-seat since Unreal Tournament has come out. UT is "easier" than Quake, CS is "easier" than UT and CoD tried to create the easiest game possible. Just as Warcraft 3 was an "easier" version of BW which then led to MOBAs which then led to the "easy" LoL. Almost all genres have been continuously made easier over the past decade and nothing about that will change anytime soon.

OT: I highly doubt these numbers are all that accurate, same as the numbers Riot releases, or MLG releases, are semi-bs. Still the fact remains that the eSports Industry is continuing to grow and that should be celebrated!
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
April 03 2014 16:51 GMT
#23
On April 04 2014 01:33 Lorch wrote:
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On April 03 2014 04:28 ZAiNs wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:26 BigFan wrote:
those are some good and scary numbers lol. $590M in 2015 for WoTs though, surprising.

Unfortunately as things get bigger game quality takes a back-seat to microtransactions .


Game quality has been taking a back-seat since Unreal Tournament has come out. UT is "easier" than Quake, CS is "easier" than UT and CoD tried to create the easiest game possible. Just as Warcraft 3 was an "easier" version of BW which then led to MOBAs which then led to the "easy" LoL. Almost all genres have been continuously made easier over the past decade and nothing about that will change anytime soon.

which is because video games have become more popular among crowds of people who enjoy gaming as a casual and noncompetitive hobby and doesn't in any way represent some sort of "decay" as geeky self-obsessed elitists want to have you believe. SC2 is still healthy and playable at a competitive level both for pros and amateurs, so there's no excuse for whining that more and more people are becoming interested in games considered "easier" or somehow "inferior" other than wanting to exalt yourself over something as meaningless as video game "skills"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2014 16:56 GMT
#24
On April 04 2014 01:51 Waise wrote:
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On April 04 2014 01:33 Lorch wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:28 ZAiNs wrote:
On April 03 2014 04:26 BigFan wrote:
those are some good and scary numbers lol. $590M in 2015 for WoTs though, surprising.

Unfortunately as things get bigger game quality takes a back-seat to microtransactions .


Game quality has been taking a back-seat since Unreal Tournament has come out. UT is "easier" than Quake, CS is "easier" than UT and CoD tried to create the easiest game possible. Just as Warcraft 3 was an "easier" version of BW which then led to MOBAs which then led to the "easy" LoL. Almost all genres have been continuously made easier over the past decade and nothing about that will change anytime soon.

which is because video games have become more popular among crowds of people who enjoy gaming as a casual and noncompetitive hobby and doesn't in any way represent some sort of "decay" as geeky self-obsessed elitists want to have you believe. SC2 is still healthy and playable at a competitive level both for pros and amateurs, so there's no excuse for whining that more and more people are becoming interested in games considered "easier" or somehow "inferior" other than wanting to exalt yourself over something as meaningless as video game "skills"

Agreed. People are obsessed with dividing the gaming communities into little tribes of increasingly hardcore players, each one claiming that their game is the most hardest core. And people confuse games in inaccessible walls of shit with being "deep" and "not for casuals". But elitism is nothing new on the Internet.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
April 03 2014 17:03 GMT
#25
^ Why you attack him? Is he wrong?
sorry for dem one liners
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2014 17:09 GMT
#26
On April 04 2014 02:03 NukeD wrote:
^ Why you attack him? Is he wrong?

I wasn't, that's why I said agreed. Are you confused?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
April 03 2014 17:47 GMT
#27
All of these viewer numbers are so artificially inflated that I don't dare believe them for even a second.
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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
April 03 2014 17:57 GMT
#28
On April 04 2014 02:09 Plansix wrote:
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On April 04 2014 02:03 NukeD wrote:
^ Why you attack him? Is he wrong?

I wasn't, that's why I said agreed. Are you confused?

I meant the guy he quotted.
sorry for dem one liners
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2014 18:23 GMT
#29
On April 04 2014 02:57 NukeD wrote:
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On April 04 2014 02:09 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2014 02:03 NukeD wrote:
^ Why you attack him? Is he wrong?

I wasn't, that's why I said agreed. Are you confused?

I meant the guy he quotted.

Oh, because that is fucking stupid and just people just claim their game is more hardcore and requires more "skill" so they can be elitest. No one claims that archery is harder than gold or sailing is harder then running a marathon. It's Internet try hards flexing their e muscles and saying "do you even lift bro?"
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
April 03 2014 18:46 GMT
#30
The only problem with his post in my opinion is where he apparently equalls the quallity of games depending on how "easy" they are. That is stupid. I do however agree with him that the quallity of games is diminshing as years pass, while the games being easy/hard themselves is a non factor and I couldnt care less about it.
sorry for dem one liners
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 03 2014 19:11 GMT
#31
On April 04 2014 03:23 Plansix wrote:
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On April 04 2014 02:57 NukeD wrote:
On April 04 2014 02:09 Plansix wrote:
On April 04 2014 02:03 NukeD wrote:
^ Why you attack him? Is he wrong?

I wasn't, that's why I said agreed. Are you confused?

I meant the guy he quotted.

Oh, because that is fucking stupid and just people just claim their game is more hardcore and requires more "skill" so they can be elitest. No one claims that archery is harder than gold or sailing is harder then running a marathon. It's Internet try hards flexing their e muscles and saying "do you even lift bro?"

I agree that it is not productive to do these kind of arguments, but i also disagree with these real sports examples.
Computer games (pc) ALL use the same tools for their "discipline", mouse and keyboard.
It is rather easy to use some criteria and compare the mechanical skill for video games. Ofc you would have to include the strategical part aswell somehow.
But yeah in the end it doesn't really matter
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