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HighArT
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:38 Grobyc wrote: What are these obvious reasons? o.o swarmhosts | ||
Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:38 Grobyc wrote: What are these obvious reasons? o.o after almost one year, he's still in the same swarmhost game. | ||
Traceback
United States469 Posts
"Team Swarm Host" has a nice long ring to it. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:38 Grobyc wrote: What are these obvious reasons? o.o I'm not 100% sure myself but I think something to do with this? + Show Spoiler + Apparently this is Firecake. Golden also posted these on twitter. + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:38 Grobyc wrote: What are these obvious reasons? o.o https://twitter.com/Ai_Golden/status/444772618579636224/photo/1 | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:41 Darkhorse wrote: I'm not 100% sure myself but I think something to do with this? + Show Spoiler + That amongst the 50 other times his BM has been posted in public | ||
HighArT
Croatia189 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:38 Grobyc wrote: What are these obvious reasons? o.o BM He has been so many times top of reddit coz of it | ||
Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
You just dont say stuff like that - cancer is something that just should not be joked around with. | ||
HYRULE15
Germany72 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:48 Glorfindel! wrote: I hope he never finds a team and never is invited for a tournament again. You just dont say stuff like that - cancer is something that just should not be joked around with. this. User was warned for this post | ||
mooose
Japan200 Posts
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:51 HYRULE15 wrote: "We wish good luck to him, and his new team!" I don't think thats gonna happen any time soon. i hope so | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:56 mooose wrote: Surprised he would be kicked out over that when they have revolver on the team who is just as bm Difference is revolver isn't top of reddit multiple times | ||
Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:02 kaykoose wrote: I'm sure being a progamer is stressful as fuck but I don't see how it could be hard to simply type GG and leave the game. The extra stuff is so ridiculous Don't even need to type anything if you don't feel like it. Just not typing in something that would suggest you wish that one or more of your opponent's close relatives would die from a terminal illness should be enough. Anyone who cannot manage this will pretty much always end up getting sacked sooner or later, eventually you become an embarrassment and a burden for your team. I've been involved in some different avenues of competition in my life and I've met people like that in all of them. Almost without fail they end up being persona non grata. | ||
Liliputin
Czech Republic458 Posts
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misspoo
France63 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:48 Glorfindel! wrote: I hope he never finds a team and never is invited for a tournament again. You just dont say stuff like that - cancer is something that just should not be joked around with. its what 50% of my zerg enemys wish me on ladder even at start of game its "gl hf" "hope you die and get cancer fuck protoss" ... sad but i nearly stopped playing because its just not fun getting flamed every game before game even starts ... such players should never be supported never get any teams or any tournament invites | ||
Haku
Germany550 Posts
Its just a shame to write bullshit like that, its so childish. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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neptunusfisk
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
All that bashing only for some BM, i'm extremely disappointing in what i see from TL posters. Everyone had his own mindset, his maybe more expressive than other but being dicks like you are all being will not solve anything, he's still a player that made it to premier with decent results. | ||
boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On March 17 2014 07:53 shid0x wrote: WOW All that bashing only for some BM, i'm extremely disappointing in what i see from TL posters. Everyone had his own mindset, his maybe more expressive than other but being dicks like you are all being will not solve anything, he's still a player that made it to premier with decent results. imagine michael jordan going "i hope you get cancer" to opponents. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33175 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On March 17 2014 07:55 boxerfred wrote: imagine michael jordan going "i hope you get cancer" to opponents. Frankly i wouldn't care as long as his skills would be the same. I can understand firecake way of speaking, not everyone can keep their rage in and sometimes you have to let it out... We all know that when we let it out we say retarded things, but that's who we are. I will not juge firecake for being over expressive and i think its wrong to. I mean you can not agree or dislike it but being such asses is just basically TL getting on the same foot as him. (So in a way TL insulting themselves KEK ) | ||
Skyblueone
Belgium155 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:02 kaykoose wrote: I'm sure being a progamer is stressful as fuck but I don't see how it could be hard to simply type GG and leave the game. The extra stuff is so ridiculous Firecake is not pro, he does math studies or something. | ||
Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On March 17 2014 08:12 Skyblueone wrote: Firecake is not pro, he does math studies or something. Solar isn't a pro either because he goes to school? "Pro" isn't synonym for "full time". | ||
Agathon
France1505 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:38 Grobyc wrote: What are these obvious reasons? o.o A french version of Idra and Naniwa combined. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States44019 Posts
He kind of looks like orb. Fitting, I suppose ^^ Although I actually like orb lol. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/FireCake http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Orb | ||
Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 17 2014 08:23 Zenbrez wrote: Solar isn't a pro either because he goes to school? "Pro" isn't synonym for "full time". Pro means professional, as in supporting yourself through gaming as a profession. Time spent playing and relative skill levels are irrelevant. Firecake competed for money, and likely had a salary from his team. Ergo, he was a professional. Also, excusing his behaviour as being outspoken or having a different mentality is rather absurd, no professional work place environment in the adult world would accept those excuses. You are responsible for what you do and say, period. | ||
Waise
3165 Posts
On March 17 2014 08:00 shid0x wrote: Frankly i wouldn't care as long as his skills would be the same. I can understand firecake way of speaking, not everyone can keep their rage in and sometimes you have to let it out... We all know that when we let it out we say retarded things, but that's who we are. I will not juge firecake for being over expressive and i think its wrong to. I mean you can not agree or dislike it but being such asses is just basically TL getting on the same foot as him. (So in a way TL insulting themselves KEK ) wtf? you have a responsibility to keep your rage in if you want to be a socially acceptable person. words are weapons and it's not that different from throwing a punch. imagine you're out at a party with friends and your one loud obnoxious friend is going around getting angry at women who reject him and trying to start fights with dudes. am i bad mannered if i say to your friend "hey, fuck off man, you're ruining other people's good time, leave if you can't be civil"? he's not alone playing single player, he chose to engage in an activity with another human being. it's a 50/50 agreement and if you act like a fucking dick to your competitive counterpart then people are going to trash you and not associate with you do i agree with trolling firecake, trying to make him angry, talking bad about him as a human being (rather than his behavior)? no because you're right, that isn't productive and doesn't make me a better person. but people here collectively condemning his shitty behavior is not somehow "just as bad" as telling someone to get fucking cancer. doesn't matter if he's pro or gold ladder. how can you even be a functioning adult and say it's acceptable to tell someone to get cancer just because you're feeling angry? that's something you need therapy for if you cannot control it. | ||
Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On March 17 2014 08:29 Schelim wrote: wow i had no idea he was so BM. all i remember seeing from Firecake is neverending swarmhost games. this behavior is really childish and uncalled for, he does not deserve to be on a pro-team. "I hope you get cancer" is worse than anything Idra has ever said. Well since you mention it. + Show Spoiler + ![]() Didnt go particularly well for him either. | ||
Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 17 2014 08:53 Bibbit wrote: Well since you mention it. + Show Spoiler + ![]() Didnt go particularly well for him either. that's a pretty convincing counter argument. i'm kinda disappointed in Greg ![]() | ||
Boucot
France15997 Posts
On March 17 2014 08:53 Bibbit wrote: Well since you mention it. + Show Spoiler + ![]() Didnt go particularly well for him either. Wasn't it against Grubby ? | ||
Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
Greg strongly disliked Grubby from what I understand. | ||
JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
Capoch the Argentinian (?) player. | ||
Snake.69
Canada140 Posts
I always blame the game, never once personnally insult others no matter how mad i get... I mean in the end everyone tries to win O_O | ||
ImperialFist
790 Posts
correct it was capoche, i watched it live :D, also took the same screenshot lol | ||
Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On March 17 2014 10:19 ImperialFist wrote: correct it was capoche, i watched it live :D, also took the same screenshot lol Could be yours :D Just a google result for "idra capoche" | ||
Psychobabas
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 17 2014 08:53 Bibbit wrote: Well since you mention it. + Show Spoiler + ![]() Didnt go particularly well for him either. Why is that like a go to thing? Naniwa, Idra, and Firecake all used it. Presumably others have as well? | ||
Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On March 17 2014 10:52 Darkhorse wrote: Why is that like a go to thing? Naniwa, Idra, and Firecake all used it. Presumably others have as well? Cancer is pretty awful so if you want to be awful that's an easy way to do it ! Personally I'm content with "I hope you step on a lego." | ||
AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On March 17 2014 11:06 Bibbit wrote: Cancer is pretty awful so if you want to be awful that's an easy way to do it ! Personally I'm content with "I hope you step on a lego." Disgusting. You can overcome cancer but once you step on a LEGO you have stepped on a LEGO. You can't undo that. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 17 2014 11:41 AlternativeEgo wrote: Disgusting. You can overcome cancer but once you step on a LEGO you have stepped on a LEGO. You can't undo that. you'll only get an imprint from the lego though ![]() | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 17 2014 07:53 shid0x wrote: WOW All that bashing only for some BM, i'm extremely disappointing in what i see from TL posters. Everyone had his own mindset, his maybe more expressive than other but being dicks like you are all being will not solve anything, he's still a player that made it to premier with decent results. It's ok, we're extremely disappointed with people that have your mentality as well. | ||
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lichter
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Waise
3165 Posts
On March 17 2014 12:44 lichter wrote: It's really disappointing how bad players are with insults. I long for the day that insults like "I hope you develop hemorrhoids that secrete honey in your sleep so that ants and bees will flock to your beacon of assholery and set it ablaze with a thousand stings" become more common if idra had come up with something like "i genuinely hope something bad happens to you, like you forget how to use a dishwasher" he may have gone down with a different legacy | ||
knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
On March 17 2014 12:44 lichter wrote: It's really disappointing how bad players are with insults. I long for the day that insults like "I hope you develop hemorrhoids that secrete honey in your sleep so that ants and bees will flock to your beacon of assholery and set it ablaze with a thousand stings" become more common Should I quote you when I use that in ladder games? | ||
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On March 17 2014 12:44 lichter wrote: It's really disappointing how bad players are with insults. I long for the day that insults like "I hope you develop hemorrhoids that secrete honey in your sleep so that ants and bees will flock to your beacon of assholery and set it ablaze with a thousand stings" become more common My favourite line will always be "fucking faggot I bet you've never even sucked a dick before." Getting mad at people is dumb, parodying people who do get mad is fun. | ||
Waise
3165 Posts
On March 17 2014 12:58 RockIronrod wrote: My favourite line will always be "fucking faggot I bet you've never even sucked a dick before." Getting mad at people is dumb, parodying people who do get mad is fun. i find one of the best ways to handle my own ladder stress is to make up a really stupid insult and say that instead of what i really want to say. like if i'm zerg and lose to a terran and i'm really frustrated, i'll say something like "i hope you realize you're only winning because protoss is OP" it gives you the satisfaction of feeling like you're insulting the other person, but it's also goofy, which lightens the mood for both you and your opponent | ||
loko1275
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
You can't fire a player for playing swarm host and winning with it. It is like banning a tennis player from playing on the baseline, refusing to go on the net. The blame for boring swarm host games (from the view of the audience) does not lie with the players, but with the game designers. So, obviously, my take of this is that there are other obvious reasons behind this. Different level of mind games, eh? ![]() | ||
Waise
3165 Posts
On March 17 2014 15:29 loko1275 wrote: I dont get it, he wasnt bm under the vega's tag. From my point of view Vega betrayed him when they admited this was his barcode. The obvious reasons are more likely to be the fact he is by far the best player of his team and he'll probably moves for a better team, or at least, a better salary. it can be assumed that most respectable teams have in-house rules about showing good character and sportsmanship. what difference does it make whether he was showing their tag? the revelation that he was being an asshole on another account reflects poorly on the team and the team made a completely understandable business and personal decision | ||
LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On March 17 2014 15:37 BaneRiders wrote: So FireCake went from FireCake to Fired Cake... You can't fire a player for playing swarm host and winning with it. It is like banning a tennis player from playing on the baseline, refusing to go on the net. The blame for boring swarm host games (from the view of the audience) does not lie with the players, but with the game designers. So, obviously, my take of this is that there are other obvious reasons behind this. Different level of mind games, eh? ![]() Uh, I think the obvious reasons are that he said he hopes Golden gets cancer, and there are screenshots of it near the top of Reddit. Doesn't have anything to do with his play. In fact, honestly I suspect Vega kinda likes that part. It works decently well, and it transformed him from a nobody into one of the most well-known non-Korean Zergs. | ||
Lorch
Germany3671 Posts
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Waise
3165 Posts
On March 17 2014 16:06 Lorch wrote: He bmd on ladder? Seriously we still fuck peoples life for bming on ladder? What a joke. he said "i hope you get cancer" to another player, that's not the same as saying "toss op" and ragequitting if i ran a team i wouldn't want to associate with anyone who acts like that and i wouldn't want anyone that hateful and childish to be representing my brand | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 17 2014 16:06 Lorch wrote: He bmd on ladder? Seriously we still fuck peoples life for bming on ladder? What a joke. "Fuck peoples life" lmao. It's a video game. It's not fucking with his life. And an easy solution would be not to be a little prick telling people they should die of cancer hoping to hide behind the anonymity of a barcode. | ||
Glioburd
France1911 Posts
On March 17 2014 16:06 Lorch wrote: He bmd on ladder? Seriously we still fuck peoples life for bming on ladder? What a joke. Don't worry, an amator being fired from his team doesn't fuck his life. | ||
saddaromma
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
Even Ret who is supposed to be one of the nicest players admit that he bm's on smurf account, imagine what others do then. | ||
saddaromma
1129 Posts
On March 17 2014 16:21 Beastyqt wrote: It's pretty bad what he said don't get me wrong, but if every team kicked player for being BM on ladder, every player would be team less. Even Ret who is supposed to be one of the nicest players admit that he bm's on smurf account, imagine what others do then. It ammuses me that you're saying its ok to wish someone a cancer and tell his mom's ugly. bms like "ez race", "noob", "luck", "fuck you" are pretty ok if person is upset. But there are boundaries. Firecake definitely got overboard. I'm rager myself but I would never say such things he said. Even to my worst enemies irl. | ||
Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On March 17 2014 16:56 saddaromma wrote: It ammuses me that you're saying its ok to wish someone a cancer and tell his mom's ugly. bms like "ez race", "noob", "luck", "fuck you" are pretty ok if person is upset. But there are boundaries. Firecake definitely got overboard. I'm rager myself but I would never say such things he said. Even to my worst enemies irl. Some people can't control their anger, this only fucks up the amateurs and not very sucessful players. People like Naniwa and IdrA can do as they please and no one would ever fire them. | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 17 2014 17:15 Morbidius wrote: Some people can't control their anger, this only fucks up the amateurs and not very sucessful players. People like Naniwa and IdrA can do as they please and no one would ever fire them. If you can't control you're anger, you're acting like a silly immature child. I'm OK with them getting "fucked over" although in reality they are only doing it to themselves. Don't expect to be on a team if you cant' control your anger. | ||
y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On March 17 2014 17:18 FabledIntegral wrote: If you can't control you're anger, you're acting like a silly immature child. I'm OK with them getting "fucked over" although in reality they are only doing it to themselves. Don't expect to be on a team if you cant' control your anger. You get fired in the real world for not controlling your anger too. I don't see the problem. A bit of trash talk/BM is fine. Raging and making your team [sponsors] look bad shouldn't be tolerated. | ||
Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 17 2014 17:15 Morbidius wrote: Some people can't control their anger, this only fucks up the amateurs and not very sucessful players. People like Naniwa and IdrA can do as they please and no one would ever fire them. i think you may have missed something there | ||
RaiZ
2813 Posts
On March 17 2014 17:24 Furikawari wrote: Ladder wouldn't be the same with all that BM (less funny imo). Or not. Dont worry I'm pretty sure you're still young, you aren't tired of this constant bm. Yet. | ||
Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On March 17 2014 17:41 RaiZ wrote: Or not. Dont worry I'm pretty sure you're still young, you aren't tired of this constant bm. Yet. I'm almost 40. Nice try. But the main difference is probably that I'm old enough to take what I see on screen as what it is: pixels, and nothing else. And how come people name this "personal attack" when it's hidden behind a screen? | ||
PrivateGG
France8 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3804 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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monscream
Italy24 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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If there is a need to rage, step inside a soundproof wardrobe*, close the door and shout until you feel better. If this happens every so often, deploy a teddy bear in the wardrobe for extended hugging sessions. *You will have to build this one before you start laddering | ||
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digmouse
China6327 Posts
On March 18 2014 03:24 BaneRiders wrote: Ok, so here is a game conduct manual for professionals:
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If there is a need to rage, step inside a soundproof wardrobe*, close the door and shout until you feel better. If this happens every so often, deploy a teddy bear in the wardrobe for extended hugging sessions. *You will have to build this one before you start laddering Someone should make an extension mod that if you don't type "glhf" you can't make anything, and you can't leave the game if you don't type "gg". | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On March 18 2014 03:27 digmouse wrote: Someone should make an extension mod that if you don't type "glhf" you can't make anything, and you can't leave the game if you don't type "gg". Hardcore enforcement of old KeSPA rules? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Disqualification Firecake brought this on himself really, kudos on Vega for nipping it in the bud, though I wish the tweet was worded better in English. | ||
DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
This kind of behavior is not accepted in other sports. Why is it okay for eSports. Makes players look like a bunch of whiny children. | ||
misspoo
France63 Posts
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Frex
Finland888 Posts
On March 18 2014 03:40 DinoMight wrote: I hope more teams do this. This kind of behavior is not accepted in other sports. Why is it okay for eSports. Makes players look like a bunch of whiny children. It is not accepted behavior in Starcraft 2 either, just read the rules for WCS. However, yet it happens all the time in sports and eSports since people get really emotional in fierce competition. In Icehockey the players even punch each other on the face. Go watch soccer and don´t tell me that the players don´t make themself look like a bunch of whiny children when they fake an injury. | ||
Achaius
United States7 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On March 18 2014 03:24 BaneRiders wrote: Ok, so here is a game conduct manual for professionals:
Alternatively
If there is a need to rage, step inside a soundproof wardrobe*, close the door and shout until you feel better. If this happens every so often, deploy a teddy bear in the wardrobe for extended hugging sessions. *You will have to build this one before you start laddering What's "gc" ? | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
Good cheese I imagine. | ||
KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
hi @ Revolver and PrimeLot ! | ||
BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
Ba da bing! ![]() | ||
v_lm
France202 Posts
On a mutual agreement I think. VegaSquadron making it sound like they fired him is a little lame I think, especially when he has been by far the best player in the team during the past 6 months, basically giving the team a reason to exist on the european scene. The guy is a total kid on ladder but he is very mannered offline or on broadcasted online tournaments. Btw did you know that he is the one of the few (if not the only one) european challengers who owns a master's degree ? I hope he'll change his behaviour on ladder and that he'll find a good team nonetheless ! | ||
TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On March 19 2014 01:01 v_lm wrote: "Firecake leaves VegaSquadron". On a mutual agreement I think. VegaSquadron making it sound like they fired him is a little lame I think, especially when he has been by far the best player in the team during the past 6 months, basically giving the team a reason to exist on the european scene. The guy is a total kid on ladder but he is very mannered offline or on broadcasted online tournaments. Btw did you know that he is the one of the few (if not the only one) european challengers who owns a master's degree ? I hope he'll change his behaviour on ladder and that he'll find a good team nonetheless ! You forget elfi... | ||
jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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Arson_
United States4 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On March 22 2014 14:16 Arson_ wrote: I wish they would just make there a way to disable chat altogether. That's the best feature of Hearthstone imo. No chat -> No communcation -> No BM (unless ofc you are friends). LoL should have been the same | ||
Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:02 kaykoose wrote: I'm sure being a progamer is stressful as fuck but I don't see how it could be hard to simply type GG and leave the game. The extra stuff is so ridiculous Probably way less than an ordinary job. Inb4 videogame squadron on me. | ||
Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On March 18 2014 03:27 digmouse wrote: Be sure to type glhf before you make your first worker :')Someone should make an extension mod that if you don't type "glhf" you can't make anything, and you can't leave the game if you don't type "gg". | ||
aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On March 22 2014 18:11 Karpfen wrote: Probably way less than an ordinary job. Inb4 videogame squadron on me. You are so wrong. You don't get people doing ordinary jobs getting so stressed that they wish your family cancer. The extremely unhealthy lifestyle, lack of social communication and deep feelings of unfairness being a progamer provides are something rather unique, in a bad way. Not everybody can handle it. In fact Firecake is a victim, and hopefully he finds something else to do that brings him more peace of mind. | ||
Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On March 22 2014 17:33 SmoKim wrote: That's the best feature of Hearthstone imo. No chat -> No communcation -> No BM (unless ofc you are friends). LoL should have been the same Just because you're scared of human contact doesn't mean it should be completely disabled for everyone. No chat -> no communication -> sad fucking place for fat geeks to grow ugly. On March 22 2014 18:32 aTnClouD wrote: You are so wrong. You don't get people doing ordinary jobs getting so stressed that they wish your family cancer. The extremely unhealthy lifestyle, lack of social communication and deep feelings of unfairness being a progamer provides are something rather unique, in a bad way. Not everybody can handle it. In fact Firecake is a victim, and hopefully he finds something else to do that brings him more peace of mind. You've never had a real job, have you? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Deleted User 261926
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On March 22 2014 18:32 Passion wrote: Just because you're scared of human contact doesn't mean it should be completely disabled for everyone. No chat -> no communication -> sad fucking place for fat geeks to grow ugly. You've never had a real job, have you? I did, and it made me feel way better than being a progamer. Progaming can give you things that are exceptional, like traveling to tournaments, meeting your friends from around the world and being close to so many people sharing your passion and dreams. On the other hand, the everyday life is just something a human being is not built to handle without frequent breakdowns. | ||
Penev
28451 Posts
On March 22 2014 18:37 aTnClouD wrote: I did, and it made me feel way better than being a progamer. Progaming can give you things that are exceptional, like traveling to tournaments, meeting your friends from around the world and being close to so many people sharing your passion and dreams. On the other hand, the everyday life is just something a human being is not built to handle without frequent breakdowns. Wow Cloud, this sounds a little like a apology for some of the "lesser appropriate" behavior you showed in the past. It would be cool to see you write a blog about this, one in which you only look in the mirror and not accuse others of wrongdoings. I'm not being sarcastic. | ||
WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
Now, Cloud, I do agree that this is a stressful environment and that it could have made him worse than he was at first, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him a victim. At any case, I hope he grows up (mentally) but usually this is what some of the viewers want to see... | ||
aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On March 22 2014 19:10 Penev wrote: Wow Cloud, this sounds a little like a apology for some of the "lesser appropriate" behavior you showed in the past. It would be cool to see you write a blog about this, one in which you only look in the mirror and not accuse others of wrongdoings. I'm not being sarcastic. I believe the general mentality of being super sensitive about everything, getting offended over petty insults and condemning whoever shows what everybody think is "unappropriate" behaviour is retarded and immature. I don't think anyone should apologize publicly or to the community for offenses that have been made privately. But people who have no part in it want to feel like they belong to the big show so they resort to condemning on forums, expressing opinions on things they partially know and being judgemental as fuck. | ||
Penev
28451 Posts
On March 22 2014 19:54 aTnClouD wrote: I believe the general mentality of being super sensitive about everything, getting offended over petty insults and condemning whoever shows what everybody think is "unappropriate" behaviour is retarded and immature. I don't think anyone should apologize publicly or to the community for offenses that have been made privately. But people who have no part in it want to feel like they belong to the big show so they resort to condemning on forums, expressing opinions on things they partially know and being judgemental as fuck. Edit: I misunderstood, sorry, because you misunderstood me. I meant public inappropriate behavior, like posts in these threads and blogs. | ||
BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On March 22 2014 19:54 aTnClouD wrote: I believe the general mentality of being super sensitive about everything, getting offended over petty insults and condemning whoever shows what everybody think is "unappropriate" behaviour is retarded and immature. I don't think anyone should apologize publicly or to the community for offenses that have been made privately. But people who have no part in it want to feel like they belong to the big show so they resort to condemning on forums, expressing opinions on things they partially know and being judgemental as fuck. I like your post Cloud, people should have a bit skin. The problem with insults are that some of them are petty to some but outrageous to others, and this is depending on culture, religion, sensitive skin and what have you. As it were, if a player does insult someone privately, it would be, in my opinion, clever to apologize for it to the person he/she insulted (apart from being the right thing to do of course). This can be done privately too and it would diffuse any future drama nonsense. The point is, when insults made in private, e.g., on the ladder, and then screen shots leak out through twitter or whatever, they are not private anymore, they are in the public domain. If the offender would have apologized for his/her behavior chances are that insults don't become public in the first place, and even if they do, the offender can simply say that something like "I was upset, I said some stupid things that I shouldn't have in the heat of the moment, but then I apologized to XXX for it afterwards when I cooled down." No need for a full public apology to the community as such after that, and certainly there would be no need for the community to get up in arms about it either. Well, all too much preaching sometimes, we need to remember that SC2 is supposed to be fun. On this positive note, I would like to share this hilarious movie clip with those of you that haven't seen it yet. Chevy Chase as Fletch is bullying a poor foreman to get some confidential information, and when he gets what he wants, he apologizes for his behavior, but he still stays in his asshole character, refusing to apologize for being wrong: ![]() | ||
Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 22 2014 18:37 aTnClouD wrote: I did, and it made me feel way better than being a progamer. Progaming can give you things that are exceptional, like traveling to tournaments, meeting your friends from around the world and being close to so many people sharing your passion and dreams. On the other hand, the everyday life is just something a human being is not built to handle without frequent breakdowns. while i was never a progamer, just from imagining myself in the role of one i think this is probably true for a lot of people and i'm almost certain it would be true for me (and in fact it is part of why i made the decision not to even really try to become one when i essentially had the chance). the interesting question then is: why do people choose to become progamers? not only is it an "extremely unhealthy lifestyle", as you said, but it also doesn't pay well unless you're at the very top, you're not really "famous" and it is a very unstable business. obviously in a way i'm grateful that there are people that choose to do it (since i love watching them) but at the same time i kinda feel for them since clearly a lot of people are not happy with their decision in the long run. | ||
xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On March 22 2014 22:13 Schelim wrote: while i was never a progamer, just from imagining myself in the role of one i think this is probably true for a lot of people and i'm almost certain it would be true for me (and in fact it is part of why i made the decision not to even really try to become one when i essentially had the chance). the interesting question then is: why do people choose to become progamers? not only is it an "extremely unhealthy lifestyle", as you said, but it also doesn't pay well unless you're at the very top, you're not really "famous" and it is a very unstable business. obviously in a way i'm grateful that there are people that choose to do it (since i love watching them) but at the same time i kinda feel for them since clearly a lot of people are not happy with their decision in the long run. for the love of the game . | ||
PanN
United States2828 Posts
On March 22 2014 18:32 aTnClouD wrote: You are so wrong. You don't get people doing ordinary jobs getting so stressed that they wish your family cancer. The extremely unhealthy lifestyle, lack of social communication and deep feelings of unfairness being a progamer provides are something rather unique, in a bad way. Not everybody can handle it. In fact Firecake is a victim, and hopefully he finds something else to do that brings him more peace of mind. I don't think his job being stressful justifies his actions in any way shape or form. He's not a victim. He's a willing participant in a system that causes stress, and guess what, theres a ton of others just like him facing the exact same stress (if not more so) and they don't act this way. Calling him a victim takes blame away from him, and thats beyond wrong imo. | ||
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