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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
February 27 2014 14:20 GMT
#21
As a color-blind player with glasses, I have to say that with the current mini-map size I do find it difficult to recognize the tiny dots, especially with the terrain on. this forces me to use the no-terrain mode, which as it's own disadvantages(mostly that with the terrain off you can't see the LOS of units like you can with terrain on.

It's not like it would be cheating if you gave the players several different sizes of minimap, I wouldn't even mind just having individual unit pixels be represented in a larger proportion, even if that means losing some of the fluidity of the map.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 27 2014 14:33 GMT
#22
On February 27 2014 22:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 21:59 FeyFey wrote:
I prefer having the dots adapt to the minimap size, but I understand the point. If the dots would be persistent in size though, even small armies would suddenly look like 200 supply on a big map and it would distract me more personally. Its just a getting used to I guess.

I mean an overall scaling up of the minimap, not just the dots displayed on it.


Well the overall scaling can't be changed anyway unless they go for black borders if its not the biggest of maps and then the small maps would be tiny. There is no perfect solution to this, thats why you settle down on one thing and stick with it.
Unless you allow options and if you give those options everyone that knows what they are doing will settle on the same option after a while and have an needless edge over beginners. Just like a mix of different graphic settings allowed players to be known as "sees every cloaked unit".
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 27 2014 14:45 GMT
#23
On February 27 2014 23:33 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 22:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
On February 27 2014 21:59 FeyFey wrote:
I prefer having the dots adapt to the minimap size, but I understand the point. If the dots would be persistent in size though, even small armies would suddenly look like 200 supply on a big map and it would distract me more personally. Its just a getting used to I guess.

I mean an overall scaling up of the minimap, not just the dots displayed on it.


Well the overall scaling can't be changed anyway unless they go for black borders if its not the biggest of maps and then the small maps would be tiny. There is no perfect solution to this, thats why you settle down on one thing and stick with it.
Unless you allow options and if you give those options everyone that knows what they are doing will settle on the same option after a while and have an needless edge over beginners. Just like a mix of different graphic settings allowed players to be known as "sees every cloaked unit".

An edge over beginners? Beginners don't use the minimap as much, and indeed the same goes for the graphics.

Black border is a possibility, I haven't really seen a good argument against it...
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
February 27 2014 15:08 GMT
#24
I can understand Blizz being reticent to allow modding as sadly the worst elements of the community will do all sorts.

STC improved the game for me a lot, more so than Blizz's own colourblind mode. As for the minimap I'd like to see some customisation available for it. As it stands you can cap region to a second monitor but I find it extends that outside of my peripheral vision so it's not really advantageous at all.
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
February 27 2014 15:12 GMT
#25
I think the screen is too cluttered as is, I wouldn't want to see a bigger minimap... it's called "mini" for a reason lol If you're watching attentively, you'll see everything you need to see tbh...

I guess I could entertain the idea of having a "temporarily enlarge minimap" key in the same fashion of alt showing health bars when they're off
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
February 27 2014 15:13 GMT
#26
Playing on a 14" laptop with an external keyboard (meaning the screen is very far from me), I'd say I won't be against a little re-scaling.
dargul
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation125 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 18:52:45
February 27 2014 18:49 GMT
#27
So i succeded to show minimap on the 2nd monitor
Check this out (clickable)
[image loading]

How i did this:
1) Sc2 in window mode
2) stream in obs
- set source = sc2 window,
- check window region
- select minimap region
- stretch stream to fit whole monitor.
3) Enjoy

p.s. i havn't had any lags. I.e.i move mouse in sc2 - minimap changing on 2nd monitor simultaniously.

Obviously you will need pc with powerful CPU. My config i7 4470k 16Gb DDR.
In Stim We Trust
And G
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany491 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 20:12:11
February 27 2014 20:11 GMT
#28
I'd like to see a bigger and better minimap not only as a player but also as a viewer. I recall having seen an old documentary about BW in Korea where they drew funny icons and oversimplified arrows on the minimap, does anyone remember that? It was pretty ridiculous, but it did make the game look very strategic. I'm kind of missing some sort of strategic overview of the entire map when watching SC and a larger minimap would be at least a step in the right direction.
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Blacklizard
Profile Joined May 2007
United States1194 Posts
February 27 2014 21:23 GMT
#29
Some nice ideas here. If nothing else, just bumping up the default minimap size to 2 times the current size would be so nice.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-28 07:54:33
February 28 2014 07:54 GMT
#30
imo eyesight is a biological part of skill at starcraft just like it is for other sports. if you can see what's going on more clearly than others, you're generally going to be better in competitions that involve hand-eye or athletics

don't get me wrong, i would love a bigger minimap and use it to my benefit. i just don't think it's necessarily a "problem" that it's hard to use the minimap well

however, the fact that resolutions are getting tighter and monitors are getting bigger might justify it simply from a design standpoint
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 28 2014 09:07 GMT
#31
On February 28 2014 03:49 dargul wrote:
So i succeded to show minimap on the 2nd monitor
Check this out (clickable)
[image loading]

How i did this:
1) Sc2 in window mode
2) stream in obs
- set source = sc2 window,
- check window region
- select minimap region
- stretch stream to fit whole monitor.
3) Enjoy

p.s. i havn't had any lags. I.e.i move mouse in sc2 - minimap changing on 2nd monitor simultaniously.

Obviously you will need pc with powerful CPU. My config i7 4470k 16Gb DDR.
I wish looking at an entirely different monitor solved the problems instead of making new ones.
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dargul
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation125 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 08:59:05
March 01 2014 08:53 GMT
#32
On February 28 2014 18:07 Danglars wrote:
I wish looking at an entirely different monitor solved the problems instead of making new ones.

I don't see any problems if you place monitor with minimap at the left side so that you will copntinue to check minimap at the left side.

I also found 1 more solution for those who don't have 2 monitors.
Check this out (click to enlarge)
[image loading]

It's preview window in obs.
You can configure it to be above all windows.And of you can change it size adnd capture timer for example too.

+ So actual streaming isn't mandatory for example if you internet isn't good enough.
+ doesn't require 2nd monitor
+ CPU requirements much lower because you aren't streaming
+ You can place minimap at bottom left corner so you can keep you habbits.

But ofcourse there are minuses too
Because you have small window in left corner above sc2 window when you move you mouse in bottom left corner
you change focus from sc2 to obs.
It means that :

- You can't use your real minimap.
I mean sending drop for example by pointing location on minimap.
-You can't scroll your screen to the bottom left side using your mouse.


p.s. personally i prefer 2 monitors version with minimap monitor on the left side. It aslo can be done without stream.
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