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If you want to show off your team, please use this thread. Discussion here should be about the format, questions, updates or bugs.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
February 25 2014 16:43 GMT
#261
On February 26 2014 01:14 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 01:14 nimdil wrote:
On February 26 2014 01:10 ETisME wrote:
i put barbie on my anti just for fun but how come she gave me a -1 @@

Player gets 1 point for his team win. Prime won so any player from Prime got 1 point. Easy.

oh thanks :D
I thought I got a -1 because she was hosting the interviews LOL

Well if that had been the case everyone would have been taking her for main team :-)
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
February 25 2014 18:28 GMT
#262
The 2 people I was going to put on my anti team are now in 1st and 2nd place

I guess I made a good decision not putting them on my anti team then...
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 25 2014 19:27 GMT
#263
Stats from week one:

Worst team that wasn't composed mainly of players from one team: nooboon, -14 points
[image loading]
There were two teams that were placed lower that were only IM or IM + PartinG.

Best team: KingKa1992, 41 points
[image loading]
Not much to say here. He is good at picking players.

Worst last-minute collapse: Redderthanblue, 1 point, -13 points today
[image loading]
After getting +18 from the Prime vs MVP match, he collapsed once his terran all-star anti-team all won a game. This brought him from 471st to 2598th.

Best last-minute recovery: NullPoint, 15 points, +16 points today
[image loading]
Jin Air won 3-1, so his all Jin Air lineup got a lot of points, despite Stork, who was on his anti-team, winning. This brought him from 2637th to a respectable 1013th.




Best possible team (No Trade)
$6 Zest +13
$5 Creator +8
$3 Cure +7
$3 Stork +7
$2 Fantasy +4
$4 Hydra +4

$5 Samsung Galaxy +5

Interestingly this team only costs $28...

Anti Team:
$5 Super -0
$5 Life -0
$3 Dream -0
(Of course there are many ways to have a -0 anti-team at this point)

Total: 48

The best main team was 43 points and had Zest, Cure, Stork, Maru, MKP, DRG, and Jin Air.



Worst possible legit team (no trade):
$4 Trap +0
$5 Super +0
$7 herO[jOin] +0
$6 ByuL +0
$3 Effort +0
$2 Bbyong +0

$3 IM -1

Anti:
$6 Zest -13
$5 Creator -8
$2 Fantasy -4

Total: -26

Fortunately, nobody actually has a score this low.


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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
February 25 2014 19:33 GMT
#264
Thanks templar

Is anyone still working on a way to find the optimal team with trades?
jjakji fan
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 25 2014 19:35 GMT
#265
On February 26 2014 04:33 slowbacontron wrote:
Thanks templar

Is anyone still working on a way to find the optimal team with trades?

I can try to do it without a computer program but that might be a little tryhard
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
February 25 2014 19:38 GMT
#266
On February 26 2014 04:35 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 04:33 slowbacontron wrote:
Thanks templar

Is anyone still working on a way to find the optimal team with trades?

I can try to do it without a computer program but that might be a little tryhard

just call it passion and no one will doubt you
jjakji fan
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 25 2014 19:38 GMT
#267
Sick stats Templar! :D
The curse is real
ggofthejungle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 20:09:35
February 25 2014 19:55 GMT
#268
The_Templar, thank you for the stats, they were very interesting! Keep it up! Now, for my team results from last night:

+ Show Spoiler +
(T)TY beats (P)Hurricane (yes, expected)
(P)Zest beats (Z)Solar (yes, expected)
(T)TurN beats (Z)Action (holy crap, yes, and unexpected -> goes to show that it's better to have 2 pointer that plays rather than having a 3 pointer that doesn't play)
(Z)Rogue loses to (Z)Hydra (ZvZ so it's okay, but it's his second loss for a 5 pointer)
Jin air wins.


Thanks to these results I rocket from rank 362 to rank 43, HELL YEA!

(P)Zest 13
(T)TY((T)BaBy) 5
(T)TurN 4
(T)MarineKing 4
(Z)KassiA 1
(Z)Rogue((Z)Savage) 1
(Wiki)Jin air Green Wings 4

(Z)soO -1
(T)Mvp 0
(P)Trap 0

Sub-Total: 32 Sub-Total: -1
Rank: #43 Score: 31

Now, for next week: Zest, TY, MarineKing are here to stay. Turn won me totally unexpected points so he might stay even if he doesn't play. I'm conflicted about what to do with Rogue, he cost 5 points and didn't win anything. His trade value is pretty bad now, 3.95. I should give him more chances depending on who he plays next week. Kassia at 2.10 will probably go if, say, Gumiho (1.43) plays next week.

I realized it's IMPERATIVE to having players on the bench on your anti: 1. Their trade values are lower after the games, so they can be traded more easily next week. 2. The most you can lose is -1 from team win. 3. No surprises of losing 8 points in one night (for example Creator, ouch -> trade value jumped from 6 to 7.35, and the people who are stuck with him can only trade him off with Flash, TY, Zest, Maru, TY, or Soulkey. OUCH!!!!)

Great week, top 100. Let's hope soO is not fielded next week.
walsh_walsh
Profile Joined November 2013
United States200 Posts
February 26 2014 19:32 GMT
#269
Oh my lord, Zest best toss in PL?
sOs best protoss, Alliance dota fan forever
RaiderRyan
Profile Joined February 2014
United States78 Posts
February 26 2014 22:39 GMT
#270
Does anyone know when trading opens? Only have one small move I want to make on my anti, just want to get it done before I forget
Better to live as a hawk for a day than as a pigeon for a lifetime
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
February 27 2014 00:30 GMT
#271
Oh that's what I was supposed to do!
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RaiderRyan
Profile Joined February 2014
United States78 Posts
February 27 2014 00:39 GMT
#272
does anyone know when lineups come out? Also do the trade point values change between now and lineups coming out? Or do they only change after each week of games?
Better to live as a hawk for a day than as a pigeon for a lifetime
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 27 2014 00:42 GMT
#273
(for example Creator, ouch -> trade value jumped from 6 to 7.35, and the people who are stuck with him can only trade him off with Flash, TY, Zest, Maru, TY, or Soulkey. OUCH!!!!)

actually since creator has 6 matches left while KT players and Maru have 5 matches left, Creator has a higher trade value thant they do. the only people you can trade for creator on anti are zest and soulkey, which aren't very appetizing.

On February 27 2014 09:39 RaiderRyan wrote:
does anyone know when lineups come out? Also do the trade point values change between now and lineups coming out? Or do they only change after each week of games?

friday midday KST or so. points shouldn't change
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 27 2014 01:56 GMT
#274
Wow he put Flash Maru TY in anti team.

Anti Team Terran.

And 4 Protoss in team
1 Terran 1 Zerg . .
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
February 27 2014 04:05 GMT
#275
So, is there actually any way to trade your captain? I'm tempted to get rid of herO but I made him my captain. Am I now stuck with that disappointment?
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 27 2014 04:09 GMT
#276
nope no way to trade captains. i think captains need a rework

+pros of captain: if your captain has more points you have the tiebreaker against a team with the same overall points
-cons of captain: you can't trade your captain

having the captain yield x2 the points or something would be better i think. or +1 point every time they win on top of their regular +points. it's usually smarter to pick a low-pointer guy for team points and then make him your captain.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
February 27 2014 04:14 GMT
#277
Well, screw me. Let's hope herO steps it up then.
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
February 27 2014 04:45 GMT
#278
On February 27 2014 13:09 opterown wrote:
nope no way to trade captains. i think captains need a rework

+pros of captain: if your captain has more points you have the tiebreaker against a team with the same overall points
-cons of captain: you can't trade your captain

having the captain yield x2 the points or something would be better i think. or +1 point every time they win on top of their regular +points. it's usually smarter to pick a low-pointer guy for team points and then make him your captain.


Proposal for Captains:
+2 per win instead of +1
+1 bonus to streak bonuses (+2 for 3 games, +3 for 6 games, +4 for 9 games)
+2 for Ace appearances
-1 to change captain from 1 player to another on your team (i.e. you can switch captains if you want, but you take -2 penalty if you want to switch them then trade away the player)
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 27 2014 05:24 GMT
#279
On February 27 2014 13:45 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 13:09 opterown wrote:
nope no way to trade captains. i think captains need a rework

+pros of captain: if your captain has more points you have the tiebreaker against a team with the same overall points
-cons of captain: you can't trade your captain

having the captain yield x2 the points or something would be better i think. or +1 point every time they win on top of their regular +points. it's usually smarter to pick a low-pointer guy for team points and then make him your captain.


Proposal for Captains:
+2 per win instead of +1
+1 bonus to streak bonuses (+2 for 3 games, +3 for 6 games, +4 for 9 games)
+2 for Ace appearances
-1 to change captain from 1 player to another on your team (i.e. you can switch captains if you want, but you take -2 penalty if you want to switch them then trade away the player)

I disagree.

The captain in its current state is fine. It already adds another dimension of strategy, that being you have to pick a player who performs well throughout and not just has a good streak at the start, because you can't trade him off. Furthermore, opterown's strategy of picking a low-pointer guy as captain is not always good because 1) you will die if there is a tie-break 2) there are situations where you can trade a 1 pointer for a 2-3 pointer who has lost a couple of games.

If the captain is changed to a super player who affects score more than others, it will cause an imbalance in the game where the importance of one pick outwieghs the importance of other picks by a lot, which goes against FPL's purpose of competing to see who can pick the most balanced team.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 06:02:19
February 27 2014 06:01 GMT
#280
how often do tiebreakers come into play? i imagine people aren't that scutinizingly concerned about their rank in that way. currently, it seems that more often than putting someone as your captain provides more harm than good, and i think general consensus agrees.

and with PL the aim is not for the most balanced team, it's for the best team full stop. there are many people who won rounds in the first SC2PL simply by KT-allinning, which is hardly balanced and a huge gamble.
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