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I am quite amazed by people's commentaries... For MilleniumTV or O'GamingTV broadcasting the WCS is not something they just do for fun : they have to pay the salaries of the people working for them. I don't know if english speaking people have ever watched what they do but it is quite high quality shows : they have invested in studios and they have people working for them full time.
The question between Dailymotion and Twitch is quite central because Dailymotion is at the moment much more profitable for these channels than Twitch : so I think everybody can understand they insist so much in being allowed to stream WCS on Dailymotion. Let say it like that : if they stream on Twitch it will cost them money while doing it on Dailymotion they won't lose money. aAa team has for exemple broadcasted WCS last year but the casters were doing it for free... I know that SC2 is a passion and people involved shouldn't try to make money out of it but if you want high quality shows as MilleniumTV and O'GamingTV are making you have to make a choice...
So shame on you ESL and shame on you Blizzard ! Riot and Valve have no problem with channels broadcasting their games on the platform they want... I think Blizzard should do the same if they want to keep SC2 alive !!!
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The French organizations such as Ogaming and Millennium prefer to use dailymotion for several reasons:
- It is a French website and a close partner for a long time.
- It has a better rentability than Twitch.
Ogaming released a video some time ago where they explained why they changed a lot the streaming website they used. They tried pretty much everything from Twitch to Dailymotion and they kept using Dailymotion because it was the only website that could provide them with the solid income they need to keep on working.
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Is the goal of Blizzard&Twitch to make the tournament producers of M-House, NationWars, Ironsquids poorer? Is not the goal of streaming making some organizations richer to drive eSports into a better and better thing?
Why does ESL want to block O'Gaming TV and Millenium? Do they want to have the monopoly in Europe? Are they afraid of these two good producers?
ESL, your problem is not money. Your problem is that WCS are dying in France. You are not blocking only casters. Pomf&Thud, Anoss, Moman, Llewellys and YoGo created the French scene with this whole content. They are not only casters to us, French community: they are the ones who made us love this game.
By fighting against them, you are not respectful to their work and show that you do not understand anything to our scene. Check your figures and you will tell Blizzard why France has become to one of the best community to one of the poorer.
#WCSenFrancais
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On February 15 2014 17:16 PrivateGG wrote:
The French organizations such as Ogaming and Millennium prefer to use dailymotion for several reasons:
- It is a French website and a close partner for a long time.
- It has a better rentability than Twitch.
Ogaming released a video some time ago where they explained why they changed a lot the streaming website they used. They tried pretty much everything from Twitch to Dailymotion and they kept using Dailymotion because it was the only website that could provide them with the solid income they need to keep on working.
im sure its not esl's decision since blizzard partnered with twitch at the beginning of the year for WCS.
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On February 15 2014 06:57 Norz wrote:
This is typical french to refuse to adapt to english though. I do agree they kinda have a point, but it's so typical of them, really annoys me.
Also dailymotion is really, REALLY terrible.
But ... but ... it's just that these organizations are often sponsored by Dailymotion, so they are in a difficult position where they can't please both sides ! No need to French bashing 
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The Drama they are creating here is just off the charts, they are trying to get exposure through some said-to-be"racistic" moves by ESL (at least thats how it looks to me). IMO that is something that shouldnt be tolerated by anyone and if they cant live with streaming through the WCS Partners Service then they shouldnt be allowed to stream it, just like it is right now! You cant expect to get Money from the WCS while not even promoting their sponsors.
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As a french that watch the english stream on twitch,
I can say that twitch often lags when the viewers counts is varying a lot
Which is seriously annoying.
An issue i don't have with dailymotion. But i don't like french casters.
What is the problem with having some competitions between the stream providers ?
I thought people liked competition on TL
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I dont really understand what is the problem here. It is quite known that everything for wcs need to be streamed on Twitch. Dont know why the french guys act like they didnt know that before. And i why the hell they are saying that ESL forbidden there stream. Thats simply a lie, but okay....
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No one has interest in having a Twitch's monopoly even if they pay ESL. The shows supported by Dailymotion are really good and France has developed a juge community thanks to it. When they stream es WCS Finals season 3, they nearly reached 10k French-speaking viewers. Who did better?
So Roccat pays ESL too as a sponsor: next step is to make all the players play with the ESL Stuff. Sponsoring is here to get exposure and not to get monopoly. If ESL does not enable to deal without any monopoly and so without respecting the market laws, maybe they are not the good ones.
I repeat that: ESL is killing the French scene. The next investments will be on others games...
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Twitch brought the broadcast rights from Blizzard and ESL has probably no saying. Blame Twitch and maybe Blizzard, ESL has probably choice.
That said I would probably like a English or German stream on Dailymotion, as it can't get much worse than Twitch. Although with the Proxy script Twitch ran fine and they seem to finally improve (after years) their reliability in Europe.
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I think French streams are really poor in quality, casters are really clueless about the game. So I don't really mind they got cockblocked. Learn English FFS.
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On February 15 2014 20:38 Faust852 wrote:
I think French streams are really poor in quality, casters are really clueless about the game. So I don't really mind they got cockblocked. Learn English FFS.
But what would be the purpose of having a French stream in english?
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Frankly, I don't get why for so many people the Twitch monopoly is not a real problem : french esport has developed thanks to MilleniumTV and O'GamingTV which made big investments to be able to propose high quality streamings on their channels. And Dailymotion has helped them a lot : if they had used Twitch it is highly probable that these Web TVs would have disappeared by now. O'Gaming was using Twitch in the beginning but they switched rapidly to Dailymotion because Twitch was not profitable enough.
The fact that Twitch and Blizzard are partners shouldn't lead to a monopoly of the WCS broadcasting : it is actually pretty bad for the Starcraft II scene. And the fact that ESL is controlling all the WCS broadcasts in Europe is also really bad... A larger diversity in the broadcast channels would help in my opinion the development of Starcraft II esport. Have you seen Riot or Valve do the same ? Not at all... And it is also one of the reasons why their games get so much exposure.
So please : help the Starcraft II french scene and stop criticizing ! In the end, if it works, it will be better for everybody.
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On February 15 2014 20:39 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 20:38 Faust852 wrote:
I think French streams are really poor in quality, casters are really clueless about the game. So I don't really mind they got cockblocked. Learn English FFS. But what would be the purpose of having a French stream in english?
Imho there is no need of a french stream. At least with the current caster pool. Anyway, that's just my opinion, I don't really care about the french scene anymore.
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On February 15 2014 20:07 Punchline! wrote:
No one has interest in having a Twitch's monopoly even if they pay ESL. The shows supported by Dailymotion are really good and France has developed a juge community thanks to it. When they stream es WCS Finals season 3, they nearly reached 10k French-speaking viewers. Who did better?
So Roccat pays ESL too as a sponsor: next step is to make all the players play with the ESL Stuff. Sponsoring is here to get exposure and not to get monopoly. If ESL does not enable to deal without any monopoly and so without respecting the market laws, maybe they are not the good ones.
I repeat that: ESL is killing the French scene. The next investments will be on others games...
We still don't know all the details so saying ESL is killing the French scene is over the top. All we have right now is a he-said-she-said situation. We don't really have any proof of anything. The French companies blame ESL, but ESL says it is about twitch.tv. We haven't seen the contracts or whatever to know what exactly the problem is.
If it is a twitch issue though, well that's how business often works. Exclusive releases on consoles for example, where Microsoft or Sony pay the developers so that the developers don't release the game on other consoles. If twitch paid Blizzard so that all WCS events are streamed on twitch then so be it.
I'm not saying I'm in favour of this system, but this is how the world works.
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Using "Access to the WCS is forbidden to French organizations" as a statement because you couldn't come to an agreement is just retarded.
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I hate twitch so much
Give us dailymotion
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Dailymotion could of put in a bid to get wcs eu (instead of twitch), for all I know maybe they did. Twitch got the contract though, so it has to be streamed on twitch. That's how these things work. If Dailymotion do not like it then they need to put a bigger bid in next year.
I see a lot of French people defending Ogaming here. Unless there was an error in translation, it looks to me like Ogaming came here and blatantly lied about their dealings with ESL. If anything, ESL are the organisation that should be upset with this situation.
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The "argument" here seems to be that a "monopoly of twitch" is hurting the french scene, because they want to stream on dailymotion to cover their costs (better). Well, Blizzard decided to partner with twitch and this is and remains a fact (right now), no matter how often you say it shouldn't be. It seems naive to me, arguing that they have to stream WCS to be able to exist/pay their staff. They seem to not have any rights or contracts with Blizzard/Twitch/ESL on streaming the WCS in the first place. Considering they really have to get the revenue from streaming WCS to stay alive, this is quite unprofessional to say at least because you have absolutely no guarantees and you are based on "asking nicely to be allowed/the altruism of the companys who acquired the rights, in this case ESL. So what should MilleniumTV and O'GamingTV do? Maybe try to get an equal status as a WCS partner like the ESL in the future, because they seem to have (like they say) a big audience and good produced shows and as their inhouse tournament showed, the capability to host offline events. But coming here accusing the companys that behave according to their contracts with litte to no real arguments seems to be a litte counterproductive.
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