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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 26 2014 01:46 klup wrote: Still No stream for French speaking people. I guess ESL prefer let the topic die and would be happy with no French stream at all. Bad for Esport. You're probably right, ESL probably would like the topic to die unless the French organisations follow their terms. Which, you know, kind of makes sense. | ||
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
If you stream via Eclypsia you have 3€ cpm (I'm not talking about their official streamers, nah, I'm tlaking about the affilitation system or dunno how it's called in english, PM me if you don't understand), which means, for ex. if you have 1k viewers, it means you have 1k views, so you got 3€. You throw ads ? Basically 3 more € per ad. Something like that. So if a random dude has a base of 3€ cpm, structures like Ogaming or Millenium that probably have contracts with Dailymotion are supposed to get more than 2$/hour for a 10k viewers stream. That's hard to explain in english, tho. As I said, PM me if you need. On the actual topic, the way aAa/M/Ogaming acted (like childs, basically) isn't professionnal at all, so them not having the right to stream is kinda fair I guess. Actually I think they screwed themselves. | ||
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Jeyopo
France35 Posts
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hZCube
87 Posts
Blizzard has a contractual obligation to stream WCS on twitch (pre-existing) oGaming has a preference to use DailyMotion, due to previous projects and higher revenues Nobody seems to know the revenue figures, but I would suspect it's significantly higher than 3 euro per hour if you could attract 10k viewers. Something here seems an order of magnitude out? The only solutions that can be inferred from this situation, if correct, are: a) oGaming choose to use Twitch to stream the event b) Another partner (not oGaming) stream the WCS event on Twitch From what I can read in this thread, ESL have already stated the position, extremely clearly - and oGaming have basically tried to dramatise the issue by claiming they have been 'barred' from showing it. From what I can read, that claim is based on the fact that they aren't allowed to stream it in DailyMotion. Assuming this to be the case, then oGaming are fully at fault here. Contractual obligations trump financial incentives and working relationships. | ||
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miniskirt
France487 Posts
(i am in the process of transcribing and translating some parts for the non french speakers) for the record, this video is much better than the PR failure that previously happened with kerri (they don't acknowledge it though) the video also teases Iron Squid 3, and another, unknown tournaments (rumors have been creeping about a joint LoL/SC2 tournament from ogaming crew for a while) 0:30-1:15: In 2013, we (Pomf and Thud, owners of Ogaming webtv and Alt-Tab production company), were as surprised as you and most of the scene to learn that Blizzard was going to lay the foundation for a worldwide championship, and it was about to start barely two months after the Iron Squid 2 event. We weren't invited to join the WCS EU community. We then contacted blizzard, who redirected the talk to Esl. The Esl is the contractor of blizzard but they actually own the WCS EU competition. 1:15-1:50 We offered Esl to make a joint cast with the whole sc2 french scene (ogaming, Millenium, Aaa, the meltdown). The esl never followed the offer. 1:50-3:30: The proposition was blocked due to partnership reason. Twitch, the partner of esl, does a remarkable job in the whole world in the gaming industry to reach the people. However, in france, the advertising service is devastating. It performs very poorly unlike every other countries. Producing a show in normal conditions, paying the casters, the technicians decently requires money. For us, it means 200 to 500€ per hour of production cost. Twitch pays about 20€ for 10k french viewers. The WCS cast means about 300 hours of streaming. That is a lot of money lost that the production company can't currently afford to invest. 3:30-5:00 This is the reason why, in france, no one streams on twitch, we are no exception. The very few french twitch streams uses twitch because they have other, better sources of income (youtube, partnerships,...). This isn't about grinding esport money, this is about abiding to the law, collective agreement, paying the crew, the material investments, the studio,... Twitch just doesn't allow us to do that. And that is only the case in france, if you go to the US, the advertisement remuneration is completely different (much higher), it is all about the performance of the advertising service of twitch, in france... bummer. 5:00-5:35 For all these reasons, we couldn't find an agreement with ESL and blizzard. We didn't think it would be so difficult to agree on something. We can really feel, from blizzard, the intention to make the WCS EU accessible to the french audience, they believe in us. And so do we. We thank everyone that participated in the #WCSEnFrançais on twitter to help us move things around, we have good hope it will work out in the end, we can only tell you it's just not gonna be right now. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On April 18 2014 05:01 miniskirt wrote: P&T added a good video about the WCS FR dispute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V7gquJ3ZeA (i am in the process of transcribing and translating some parts for the non french speakers) WIth Boucot we plan to make a new thread. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On April 18 2014 05:01 miniskirt wrote: P&T added a good video about the WCS FR dispute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V7gquJ3ZeA (i am in the process of transcribing and translating some parts for the non french speakers) for the record, this video is much better than the PR failure that previously happened with kerri (they don't acknowledge it though) the video also teases Iron Squid 3, and another, unknown tournaments (rumors have been creeping about a joint LoL/SC2 tournament from ogaming crew for a while) Stream in french from Belgium/switzerland/germany/spain/uk then... seriously just send a video flux from france to some UK partner and then just stream it, can't be that hard. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Hopefully they can work something out, ESL might not really have a choice since the French don't want it streamed on Twitch. | ||
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SSVnormandy
France392 Posts
All is explained very well. Recommend it because it give a good insight what kind of problem a Esport media company can face and also explain with kind word why blizzard Esport team is bullshit. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On April 18 2014 05:15 shid0x wrote: Stream in french from Belgium/switzerland/germany/spain/uk then... seriously just send a video flux from france to some UK partner and then just stream it, can't be that hard. They are not Eclypsia. I'll post the translation in 20 minuts. | ||
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miniskirt
France487 Posts
On April 18 2014 05:15 shid0x wrote: Stream in french from Belgium/switzerland/germany/spain/uk then... seriously just send a video flux from france to some UK partner and then just stream it, can't be that hard. but... that won't increase the revenue, the viewers will still be french -_- | ||
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miniskirt
France487 Posts
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Growiel
Korea (South)363 Posts
And even if the production value might be inferior, the casting will probably not. I know this an unpopular opinion because if someone does it, Ogaming & co have less strategic value to try and pressure ESL/Blizz into going against their contract and allowing them to do it on Dailymotion. But I don't care, if they can't do it because they have higher running cost and can't affrod it, then hire someone who can do it. That's basic supply and demand. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On April 18 2014 06:43 Growiel wrote: If no "big" structure wants to do it, it should be opened to "community" streamers who will do for the sake of doing it, because they love SC2 and love casting. It probably won't attract as much people as P&T or Anoss or whoever but it will be better than English for a lot of people. And even if the production value might be inferior, the casting will probably not. I know this an unpopular opinion because if someone does it, Ogaming & co have less strategic value to try and pressure ESL/Blizz into going against their contract and allowing them to do it on Dailymotion. But I don't care, if they can't do it because they have higher running cost and can't affrod it, then hire someone who can do it. That's basic supply and demand. It is opened to community casters. They just don't want to do it because they are not fulltime or they want to produce a good content and not a solo cast. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On April 18 2014 06:46 Aeromi wrote: It is opened to community casters. They just don't want to do it because they are not fulltime or they want to produce a good content and not a solo cast. But in the meantime can't a community caster do a smaller stream while these issues are resolved? | ||
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