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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
On February 15 2014 06:57 thekaas wrote: Why? You can't just throw out statements like that and expect anyone to accept them at face-value. twitch is the WCS partner like others have pointed out | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
Blizzard/(IEM?) doesn't want restreams because they don't control/moderate the content on those restreams and don't want to be held responsible for them in any capacity. End of story. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I don't like the Twitch monopoly, frankly I think it has given them carte blanche to not improve their service for quite some time now. However, they do have an exclusivity contract by the sounds of it, so are within the rights to enforce it. | ||
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bartus88
Netherlands491 Posts
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di4m0nd
United States297 Posts
On February 15 2014 07:05 MCXD wrote: Look, it's not complicated. Blizzard/(IEM?) doesn't want restreams because they don't control/moderate the content on those restreams and don't want to be held responsible for them in any capacity. End of story. What he said, and 90% of the other people who posted in here.. Its simple if you wanna broadcast WCS in your language you have to use Twitch. simple as that.. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On February 15 2014 07:06 Wombat_NI wrote: Not sure what to think. I don't like the Twitch monopoly, frankly I think it has given them carte blanche to not improve their service for quite some time now. However, they do have an exclusivity contract by the sounds of it, so are within the rights to enforce it. it's hard to call it a "monopoly" because SC2 esport is a very niche business and WCS/blizzard are the only relevant organization in terms of providing the content that most people care about watching. it's different from talking about something like, for example, cable companies being bought out in the US, because millions of people watch cable for lots of different reasons and different tastes. SC2 is just SC2 and if one organization has the winning bid to provide streaming service, what can you do about it? you have to treat it with the perspective that SC2 just isn't a major enterprise | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On February 15 2014 05:01 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like ESL want to have those viewers by themself | ||
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Zenniv
United States545 Posts
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rudimentalfeelthelov
Finland268 Posts
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Ishentar
France122 Posts
But well, so far we can make guesses : The facts : - O'Gaming/Millenium/aAa had all talks with Blizzard and ESL to try to have the right to stream the WCS. - LoL IEM had a french stream on Twitch, same for some other events such as DreamHacks... french organizations would agree to stream these events on twitch but not WCS ? I don't think that our french community is making drama just to make drama. - O'Gaming/Millenium/aAa said that the french community isn't allowed to have his own WCS stream. Then, I guess that the Twitch reason isn't a real reason. Indeed french TVs that are "on air" all the day long on SC2 must have like at least 3 times less viewers on their stream than on big tournaments streams. Then, except if Dailymotion pays like 10 times better than twitch (i highly doubt it), this isn't less worth for them than a standard stream (which must be worth, either the TV would die). In the end, the reason must be elsewhere but remains unknown. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On February 15 2014 07:08 di4m0nd wrote: What he said, and 90% of the other people who posted in here.. Its simple if you wanna broadcast WCS in your language you have to use Twitch. simple as that.. But like many have already said, they offered to stream by twitch but ESL is still not letting them to stream. | ||
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andoRRR
Germany36 Posts
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On February 15 2014 07:12 Ishentar wrote: As far as I know, no official reason was given to justify why the french community can't have a french stream. But I think it is safe to assume that the Twitch problem isn't the real deal. indeed. But well, so far we can make guesses : The facts : - O'Gaming/Millenium/aAa had all talks with Blizzard and ESL to try to have the right to stream the WCS. - LoL IEM had a french stream on Twitch, same for some other events such as DreamHacks... french organizations would agree to stream these events on twitch but not WCS ? I don't think that our french community is making drama just to make drama. - O'Gaming/Millenium/aAa said that the french community isn't allowed to have his own WCS stream. Then, I guess that the Twitch reason isn't a real reason. Indeed french TVs that are "on air" all the day long on SC2 must have like at least 3 times less viewers on their stream than on big tournaments streams. Then, except if Dailymotion pays like 10 times better than twitch (i highly doubt it), this isn't less worth for them than a standard stream (which must be worth, either the TV would die). In the end, the reason must be elsewhere but remains unknown. IIRC Dailymotion's CPM is like 3x higher than Twitch's. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On February 15 2014 07:13 andoRRR wrote: Well, if Twitch pays money to Blizzard, which is highly possible, then it's the same as in real sports. just because NBC says "we want to show NBA games" they are not allowed to do that because other stations paid for the rights. If that's the case here with Twitch/Dailymotion then it's totally understandable. if NBC had shitty picture quality and service interruptions in major parts of the US and didn't make an effort to provide a better product, it would be an outrageous exploitation of their contract however, like i said, you can't compare a huge industry like pro basketball in one country to a niche market like streaming SC2 all over the world. the infrastructure just isn't the same | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On February 15 2014 07:12 Ishentar wrote: As far as I know, no official reason was given to justify why the french community can't have a french stream. But I think it is safe to assume that the Twitch problem isn't the real deal. indeed. But well, so far we can make guesses : The facts : - O'Gaming/Millenium/aAa had all talks with Blizzard and ESL to try to have the right to stream the WCS. - LoL IEM had a french stream on Twitch, same for some other events such as DreamHacks... french organizations would agree to stream these events on twitch but not WCS ? I don't think that our french community is making drama just to make drama. - O'Gaming/Millenium/aAa said that the french community isn't allowed to have his own WCS stream. Then, I guess that the Twitch reason isn't a real reason. Indeed french TVs that are "on air" all the day long on SC2 must have like at least 3 times less viewers on their stream than on big tournaments streams. Then, except if Dailymotion pays like 10 times better than twitch (i highly doubt it), this isn't less worth for them than a standard stream (which must be worth, either the TV would die). In the end, the reason must be elsewhere but remains unknown. On February 15 2014 07:13 andoRRR wrote: Well, if Twitch pays money to Blizzard, which is highly possible, then it's the same as in real sports. just because NBC says "we want to show NBA games" they are not allowed to do that because other stations paid for the rights. If that's the case here with Twitch/Dailymotion then it's totally understandable. In this case, then it might be a revenue sharing issue. This is pure speculation here. But ESL might have wanted the revenues generated from French streams, while the French organizers wanted to keep the revenue, since they were the ones providing the service. Since French organizers wouldn't give up the rights to the revenues, ESL denied them? I repeat, this may be pure speculation on the issue. If it wasn't a streaming platform issue, that is. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On February 15 2014 07:14 Complete wrote: ...It's slightly ridiculous that their response to this is to make it public to get the community mad at them. ... true, but the community shares blame for being drama-hungry and being willing to get angry or make assumptions based on very few facts | ||
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Alfindor
France19 Posts
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
On February 15 2014 07:16 Waise wrote: true, but the community shares blame for being drama-hungry and being willing to get angry or make assumptions based on very few facts The community isn't a professional organization. | ||
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