Some issues with turtle playstyles in Starcraft 2 - Page 14

On February 13 2014 04:49 Destructicon wrote:


No, that's a stupid solution as it leads to situation where you can easily kill a player if you due a very aggressive timing designed to contain on the enemy on 1 or 2 bases.

The best economic solution is to just reintroduce the BW model with even more diminishing returns on workers stacking, so say, if you have 60 workers vs 60 workers, but you have 6 bases compared to the enemy's 3 you'll have like roughly 40% more income, or something like that.

On February 12 2014 10:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I wouldnt say as many, and I do think bw is the better game, but people sometimes act like bw was only the modern era of good maps and a balanced state.

Bw had balance crying as well, some of it well documented on this site if you search I bet. Especially pvz.

On February 12 2014 16:17 MyrMindservant wrote:
Regarding all those ideas about increasing supply limits, this is certainly a possible approach but it is not the only one. The very same issue can be approached from the opposite angle. Instead of increasing supply limit to accommodate for SC2's economy and more rapid production, we can slow down the economy and production.
This can net us similar result with several benefits compared to the limit increase.

1. Hardware issue. With larger limits from both sides we would increase hardware requirements of the game. This is not always an issue but it certainly can be one in some cases. There's a reason pro players usually don't use high graphical settings. Plus, while 1vs1 is considered the main game mode, team games (2vs2, 3vs3, 4vs4) are still played by people and they usually put a much higher load on the user's PC because of the amount of units involved.
2. Micro and game pace issues. The more units you have the less time and attention you can spend on microing them.
In low counts many units can be microed individually or in small groups which may enhance their performance greatly. But when you have a lot of them, microing just becomes less and less efficient because it is physically impossible to spent the same amount of attention/time per unit/group. At some point you can't do anything better than to A move most of your troops and micro only a select few or spend your APM elsewhere instead. The game is played in real-time, so there's only that much you can do during a given time period.
You would have more time/opportunity to micro because critical amount of firepower, when the fights tend to end very quickly, will be harder and slower to reach for both sides. Which in its turn would reduce those cases when you are losing the whole game just because you weren't looking at the exactly right spot for ~3 seconds and lost something very important, like half of your army, before you could react.
Additionally, in large mass units start to hinder each other because of map constraints and even pathing issues.

I feel like I can elaborate on all this a lot more and make many examples, but it's probably not needed. I'm not the only one who thought about this and probably not the first one who mentioned something similar to this.
This approach is much better than simply increasing max limit, but it also requires more effort from developers. And, what's more important, it involves making changes to the very core game mechanics, like economy and production as well as rebalancing a lot of things.