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On January 16 2014 08:38 Squat wrote:
SC2BW has several problems, many of the abilities and units simply do not port well into the SC2 engine. Something like SB, which is a remake from scratch with elements from both games is far better imo.
I don't understand what you are saying here, SB has many units from BW aswell, only that they are "easy" to use cause of the better AI from sc2, that is btw my biggest problem with the mod so far, i think the better AI makes units / strategies kinda too strong.
I really like the style of the game, but i think sc2 with the mining of this would look pretty similar.
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On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo.
Honestly, I think that would be like attempting to ignore division. People are going to have different preferences and won't all agree with where the different mods go. They'll prefer one mod's path over another and you can't really expect everyone to choose the same one.
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On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo.
Forcing another mod? SC2BW has been around for 4 years now.
Starbow Started in 2012... then at some point "died" and then Got recharged and 2 years later of development , We have the Starbow, that now people are over-hyping now and going crazy over, but seemly not taking a step back to think.
Where were all these people 2 years back for supporting the Starbow mod?
oh wait they didn't care. They only care now because they want to hop on the Trend Train.
I mean its really good that SC2BW and Starbow will be part of what total biscuit is doing, So we should be glad about that and glad that Mods are getting more popular and are improving and getting noticed.
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On January 16 2014 08:52 Zergrusher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo. Forcing another mod? SC2BW has been around for 4 years now. Starbow Started in 2012... then at some point "died" and then Got recharged and 2 years later of development , We have the Starbow, that now people are over-hyping now and going crazy over, but seemly not taking a step back to think. Where were all these people 2 years back for supporting the Starbow mod? oh wait they didn't care. They only care now because they want to hop on the Trend Train.
You can shout overhype and trend train all day but the fact is that Starbow is in a breakout position whereas SC2BW is mostly forgotten about. Forcing new mods alongside it will just create a mishmash of alternatives where most likely none of them actually reach a balanced and competitive state.
In the end not all mods are born equal even if we want to think that way.
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On January 16 2014 08:52 Zergrusher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo. Forcing another mod? SC2BW has been around for 4 years now. Starbow Started in 2012... then at some point "died" and then Got recharged and 2 years later of development , We have the Starbow, that now people are over-hyping now and going crazy over, but seemly not taking a step back to think. Where were all these people 2 years back for supporting the Starbow mod? oh wait they didn't care. They only care now because they want to hop on the Trend Train. I mean its really good that SC2BW and Starbow will be part of what total biscuit is doing, So we should be glad about that and glad that Mods are getting more popular and are improving and getting noticed.
Well nowadays players dont try mods themself. They only play mods if prominent people advertise it. Still nice that Starbow has such a popularity now, there are so many good mods (also non sc2 mods) outa there rotting 
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On January 16 2014 08:52 Zergrusher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo. Forcing another mod? SC2BW has been around for 4 years now. Starbow Started in 2012... then at some point "died" and then Got recharged and 2 years later of development , We have the Starbow, that now people are over-hyping now and going crazy over, but seemly not taking a step back to think. Where were all these people 2 years back for supporting the Starbow mod? oh wait they didn't care. They only care now because they want to hop on the Trend Train. I mean its really good that SC2BW and Starbow will be part of what total biscuit is doing, So we should be glad about that and glad that Mods are getting more popular and are improving and getting noticed.
you don't need to be a jerk about it you can be a hipster if you want to be. People did not simply know about this mod 2 years ago. 2 years have passed and you can play a diverse custom game against people with unique strategies. Don't get mad if it gets popular the creators of this are going to balance the game better than blizzard balances sc2 + I hope the starbow creators will listen to us players. This game has the potential to be the next Dota.
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I just saw Starbow for the first time. This is way more balanced and has potentially far more climatic battles than SC2. Normal SC2 battles, in general, just finish too quickly. Compared to the long, climatic battles in Broodwar, I really dislike that aspect of SC2. I am glad that Starbow is bringing that back.
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On January 16 2014 09:04 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:52 Zergrusher wrote:On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo. Forcing another mod? SC2BW has been around for 4 years now. Starbow Started in 2012... then at some point "died" and then Got recharged and 2 years later of development , We have the Starbow, that now people are over-hyping now and going crazy over, but seemly not taking a step back to think. Where were all these people 2 years back for supporting the Starbow mod? oh wait they didn't care. They only care now because they want to hop on the Trend Train. You can shout overhype and trend train all day but the fact is that Starbow is in a breakout position whereas SC2BW is mostly forgotten about. Forcing new mods alongside it will just create a mishmash of alternatives where most likely none of them actually reach a balanced and competitive state. In the end not all mods are born equal even if we want to think that way.
But SC2BW isn't new.(and Neither is Starbow)
People Have heard about SC2BW before, and if Starbow can get the support its getting, then SC2BW can aswell.
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btw if someone is not watching the Bo5 between qxc and Sasquatch, you probably should. I think those are probably the best TvZ games I saw so far.
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On January 16 2014 08:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:38 Squat wrote:
SC2BW has several problems, many of the abilities and units simply do not port well into the SC2 engine. Something like SB, which is a remake from scratch with elements from both games is far better imo. I don't understand what you are saying here, SB has many units from BW aswell, only that they are "easy" to use cause of the better AI from sc2, that is btw my biggest problem with the mod so far, i think the better AI makes units / strategies kinda too strong. I really like the style of the game, but i think sc2 with the mining of this would look pretty similar.
I thought it was a fairly straightforward post, not sure where the hard part is.
I'm saying it causes severe imbalances because many BW abilities and units do not translate directly into the SC2 engine.
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On January 16 2014 09:06 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:52 Zergrusher wrote:On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo. Forcing another mod? SC2BW has been around for 4 years now. Starbow Started in 2012... then at some point "died" and then Got recharged and 2 years later of development , We have the Starbow, that now people are over-hyping now and going crazy over, but seemly not taking a step back to think. Where were all these people 2 years back for supporting the Starbow mod? oh wait they didn't care. They only care now because they want to hop on the Trend Train. I mean its really good that SC2BW and Starbow will be part of what total biscuit is doing, So we should be glad about that and glad that Mods are getting more popular and are improving and getting noticed. you don't need to be a jerk about it you can be a hipster if you want to be. People did not simply know about this mod 2 years ago. 2 years have passed and you can play a diverse custom game against people with unique strategies. Don't get mad if it gets popular the creators of this are going to balance the game better than blizzard balances sc2 + I hope the starbow creators will listen to us players. This game has the potential to be the next Dota.
No it has not the potential to be the next Dota, Dota defined a genre...
Stupid comments like that make me kinda sad, people are so easy to manipulate these days -.-
On January 16 2014 09:07 usopsama wrote:
I just saw Starbow for the first time. This is way more balanced and has potentially far more climatic battles than SC2. Normal SC2 battles, in general, just finish too quickly. Compared to the long, climatic battles in Broodwar, I really dislike that aspect of SC2. I am glad that Starbow is bringing that back.
Another one, Starbow is "way more balanced" ? I think it is pretty funny to say that after watching the mod for "the first time"
Hype is fine, but pls stay somewhat rational, it is really sad to see these kind of comments...
With that being said , the games look exciting, blizzard should really use the economy system and highground advantage, maybe now they will listen.
On January 16 2014 09:11 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 16 2014 08:38 Squat wrote:
SC2BW has several problems, many of the abilities and units simply do not port well into the SC2 engine. Something like SB, which is a remake from scratch with elements from both games is far better imo. I don't understand what you are saying here, SB has many units from BW aswell, only that they are "easy" to use cause of the better AI from sc2, that is btw my biggest problem with the mod so far, i think the better AI makes units / strategies kinda too strong. I really like the style of the game, but i think sc2 with the mining of this would look pretty similar. I thought it was a fairly straightforward post, not sure where the hard part is. I'm saying it causes severe imbalances because many BW abilities and units do not translate directly into the SC2 engine.
Yes and i say the same thing is true for starbow.
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The biggest points that you can have about Starbow beating SC2BW and OneGoal is
One Goal is still SC2 with different tech trees... swarm hosts are horrible units no matter what tier they are and onegoal will not change blizzard's mind.
SC2BW why play that when you have the real brood war pretty much free to play.
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On January 16 2014 09:05 TaShadan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:52 Zergrusher wrote:On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo. Forcing another mod? SC2BW has been around for 4 years now. Starbow Started in 2012... then at some point "died" and then Got recharged and 2 years later of development , We have the Starbow, that now people are over-hyping now and going crazy over, but seemly not taking a step back to think. Where were all these people 2 years back for supporting the Starbow mod? oh wait they didn't care. They only care now because they want to hop on the Trend Train. I mean its really good that SC2BW and Starbow will be part of what total biscuit is doing, So we should be glad about that and glad that Mods are getting more popular and are improving and getting noticed. Well nowadays players dont try mods themself. They only play mods if prominent people advertise it. Still nice that Starbow has such a popularity now, there are so many good mods (also non sc2 mods) outa there rotting
Well, the trend you are discussing does seem to be true, hell even I'm guilty of it. It's a bit of a shame how personality-driven the scene appears atm.
That said, many people just got sick and tired of SC2 and the way it's going, but equally want to play RTS games with its attributes so I don't view everyone that is excited as necessarily being a bandwagon hopper
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High-ground advantage works because the maps are smaller, so rush strats are nerfed due to high ground advantage but then buffed due to smaller base-to-base distance. Large maps accomplish the same thing with no RNG.
The mining is awesome though, you see a much larger amount of the map taken in Starbow than SC2.
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On January 16 2014 09:06 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 08:52 Zergrusher wrote:On January 16 2014 08:44 Bagi wrote:On January 16 2014 08:38 Cheren wrote:On January 16 2014 08:32 Zergrusher wrote:
Are you guys all forgetting about SC2BW? its a good mod aswell that you guys should check out.
(BTW Starbow is not new.... its been around since 2012.)
Totalbiscuit didn't forget, it'll be in the SHOUTcraft clan war. Man I hope they scrap the SC2BW part, forcing yet another mod will just create confusion and divide the community further. Just stick to improving Starbow as a community effort imo. Forcing another mod? SC2BW has been around for 4 years now. Starbow Started in 2012... then at some point "died" and then Got recharged and 2 years later of development , We have the Starbow, that now people are over-hyping now and going crazy over, but seemly not taking a step back to think. Where were all these people 2 years back for supporting the Starbow mod? oh wait they didn't care. They only care now because they want to hop on the Trend Train. I mean its really good that SC2BW and Starbow will be part of what total biscuit is doing, So we should be glad about that and glad that Mods are getting more popular and are improving and getting noticed. you don't need to be a jerk about it you can be a hipster if you want to be. People did not simply know about this mod 2 years ago. 2 years have passed and you can play a diverse custom game against people with unique strategies. Don't get mad if it gets popular the creators of this are going to balance the game better than blizzard balances sc2 + I hope the starbow creators will listen to us players. This game has the potential to be the next Dota.
Not being a jerk, just being honest.
People knew about the mod, but didn't care. That's why it shut down the first time. Your telling me a Mod that goes silent for 2 years......all of a sudden explodes onto the scene and yet not 1 person realizes how old it is or Whats truly pulling the strings behind the popularity?
I don't Hate it, I hate the Tunnel vision surrounding it. If you look at it its mostly SC2BW, with a few random SC2 things + a ton of upgrades that clutter the game. Its a good mod, but people can't be blind.
The Starbow creators do listen to feedback, but the problem is you can't make everyone happy, and if you try to do that, no one will be happy. Starbow has 80% BW stuff, The matchups play out mostly like BW's matchups, With little if any SC2 things about it. You can argue that Because its not SC2 its better, But if its not SC2, its SC2BW 2.0 with some random stuff tacked into it.
I'm happy for the success of Starbow, but people have to think about things and not be so blind about it.
Like if you actually look back on Starbow From 2012 to 2013 literally every version was completely different and absolutely crazy gameplay wise. and when 2014 hit they essentially got it working by making it Basically BW with little SC2 units(but using SC2 models) and a ton of upgrades that clutter and overcomplicate things.
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I haven't played starcraft in a (very long) while and now i see a mod which takes BW basics, adds some SC2 things keeping the reaver and putting warpgates as a tier 3 tech.
As far as i see it myself, this is a better game than HotS
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On January 16 2014 09:08 Ammanas wrote:
btw if someone is not watching the Bo5 between qxc and Sasquatch, you probably should. I think those are probably the best TvZ games I saw so far.
that's because its BW TVZ for the most part......
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Yes and i say the same thing is true for starbow.
Sure you could. You'd be wrong, but you could certainly say it.
That said, many people just got sick and tired of SC2 and the way it's going, but equally want to play RTS games with its attributes so I don't view everyone that is excited as necessarily being a bandwagon hopper
What nonsense is this. If you like something, you are bandwagoner or fanboy. If you dislike something, you are a hater or a whiner. Such are the ways of the internet, and to question them is heresy.
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Qxc and Sasquatch are playing a fantastic series.
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On January 16 2014 09:16 Cheren wrote:
High-ground advantage works because the maps are smaller, so rush strats are nerfed due to high ground advantage but then buffed due to smaller base-to-base distance. Large maps accomplish the same thing with no RNG.
The mining is awesome though, you see a much larger amount of the map taken in Starbow than SC2.
I believe the fighting spirit rush distance is bigger than half of the WCS map pool. At least it seems so to me, but I may be mistaken, I don't know anything about map making :>
On January 16 2014 09:18 Zergrusher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 09:08 Ammanas wrote:
btw if someone is not watching the Bo5 between qxc and Sasquatch, you probably should. I think those are probably the best TvZ games I saw so far. that's because its BW TVZ for the most part......
I meant the best TvZs I saw so far in Starbow. They are just playing pretty well.
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