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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
*That said, I think that if SC2 multiplayer had been free to play from the start, it would be the dominant e-sport right now and would be pulling in LoL numbers. The thing about SC2 is that it is a perfect game to watch once you've played seriously on the ladder and you understand the fundamentals. Even if it is too stressful/challenging to play on a constant basis. Unfortunately, LoL took the new generation of kids with no wallets and converted them to it first. The age bracket of 13-18 back in 2010ish was ridiculously skewed towards LoL because of that, which of course has massive impact as that bracket grows up and can spend money. LoL had the right model at the right time. It's too bad for RTS fans. Total de-rail, sorry. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 08 2014 13:34 Beef Noodles wrote: It's pretty useless to argue. Everyone will say the game they know best requires more knowledge because they know more about it. But we are talking about new players, so lets look at what new players focus on: SC: new players have to memorize all the buildings, units, what the units do, hotkeys, map layouts, and let's throw in a few build orders in there as well. This is a simplified version of SC no doubt, but this is still more than I except a new player to memorize. In total, lets estimate everything at ~75 buildings for all three races, 50 units total, 30 hotkeys, 10 maps in a current map pool, an ~40 important steps in a really we thought out build order, and lets say they learn 3 build orders for a total of 120 steps. All in all this is about 285 things for a new player to remember. Now what does a new league player need to memorize? Over 100 champions, each have 4 moves and 1 passive skill (with a few champions actually having 7 moves and 1 passive skill), 1 map that most people play (Summoner's Rift), well over 100 items, and 5 main roles to play (top, mid, jungler, support, and attack damage carry). Let PRETEND that you can play every champion in every role and roles don't matter. Let's also say that items and item builds don't matter, buffs don't matter, etc etc. A new player still has to remember all of the champions and their move sets. If they don't know this, a champion could destroy them with a crazy move at anytime. So ignoring tons of other aspects of League of Legends, new players still have to memorize WELL over 500 new things, probably closer to 600 new things. This is over double Starcraft's number of "things." Starcraft, in my opinion, is a much harder game and requires more strategy. But does not have nearly the knowledge barrier that LoL does. If we are talking about new players your list of LoL is not correct. New players don't need to know stuff about all heroes. They will play like 5 to 10 of them and they have ingame guides for equipment, the game basically tells them what to buy to be useful. Then they will need to learn the most dangerous moves their enemies can do so they know how to handle it. In Sc2, new player will need to try all 3 factions where each plays fairly different and learn their hotkeys. As a result they will need to know how to play 9 different matchups, or at least know something about them. Once players of both games get higher then LoL knowledge is bigger than sc2, where sc2 needs more mechanical skill to be better. | ||
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Deleted User 97295
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Deleted User 97295
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
LoL is easy to pick up and learn a few things before playing. The fact that the game is fairly relaxed at lower levels, and in bot games. This relaxed pace, combined with regular rewards (Wins or even just kills), even at the lowest level, is exactly what triggers addictive behaviors in humans. Remove the ease of acces, and you can still have an addictive game that is just harder to get into (SC2). Make the rewards more scarce, and you have a lot harder time to keep people hooked (BW, and StarBow) Both BW and StarBow suffers from the fact that you have to lose something like 20-100 games as a noob before getting the reward. The lack of a casual playerbase is not prohibitive for people to pick up and play the game, but it kills the fun for these players fast, because there are too few bad players for them to play against, and have fun with regular wins against. | ||
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
On April 08 2014 19:14 -Archangel- wrote: If we are talking about new players your list of LoL is not correct. New players don't need to know stuff about all heroes. They will play like 5 to 10 of them and they have ingame guides for equipment, the game basically tells them what to buy to be useful. Then they will need to learn the most dangerous moves their enemies can do so they know how to handle it. In Sc2, new player will need to try all 3 factions where each plays fairly different and learn their hotkeys. As a result they will need to know how to play 9 different matchups, or at least know something about them. Once players of both games get higher then LoL knowledge is bigger than sc2, where sc2 needs more mechanical skill to be better. I got to Masters without playing Terran or Protoss even a single time. I've since played them, but you only need to play one race and learn three matchups. | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:36 Beef Noodles wrote: I got to Masters without playing Terran or Protoss even a single time. I've since played them, but you only need to play one race and learn three matchups. You don't need to know every single skill in league either, you both exaggerate a lot  | ||
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
On April 09 2014 02:09 Xiphias wrote: New cast is up! Jade Vs Osiris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLzuHl32XU what an anticlimatic ending | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
As a newer player, I am idling in chat right now looking for casual games. Come play, if you are merciful or also newish. | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
On April 09 2014 08:14 Crisium wrote: Good game, if only because Scouts actually killed a few units. As a newer player, I am idling in chat right now looking for casual games. Come play, if you are merciful or also newish. A tad late but, there is usually more players in the chat within the Eros ladder client, you can ask for un-ranked games there as well if you just want to play casually. Get the client here: http://starbowmod.com/ | ||
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HeyImFinn
United States250 Posts
EDIT: Also, have you guys considered recruiting dedicated map makers? | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/user/Isaksen85/search?query=vintage | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Deleted User 97295
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Capresis
United States518 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
Let's get on the Starbow ladder! Seriously, we have 1750 registered Eros client accounts and 23 people are online. Come on! | ||
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