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d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 20:11:09
January 13 2014 19:51 GMT
#461
I gotta tell you I don't like the name Starbow. Like, what's it supposed to mean? StarCraft bended like a bow? Or bowing before StarCraft and thus paying homage to the true StarCraft (BW)? It should be called StarCraft: Brood War 2 imo. Isn't that what it's trying to be? Or would that be a problem with Blizz?

Seen one Husky VOD so far and it made me want to try it.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
January 13 2014 19:53 GMT
#462
So is the corsair movement speed decreased, or is it because the unit size is larger that it appears so?
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
January 13 2014 19:54 GMT
#463
On January 14 2014 04:51 d00p wrote:
I gotta tell you I don't like the name Starbow. Like, what's it supposed to mean? StarCraft bended like a bow? Or bowing before StarCraft and thus paying homage to the true StarCraft (BW)? It should be called StarCraft: Brood War 2 imo. Isn't that what it's trying to be? Or would that be a problem wiht Blizz?

Seen one Husky VOD so far and it made me want to try it.

SC2BW exists already http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
January 13 2014 19:54 GMT
#464
On January 14 2014 04:51 d00p wrote:
I gotta tell you I don't like the name Starbow. Like, what's it supposed to mean? StarCraft bended like a bow? Or bowing before StarCraft and thus paying homage to the true StarCraft (BW)? It should be called StarCraft: Brood War 2 imo. Isn't that what it's trying to be? Or would that be a problem wiht Blizz?

Seen one Husky VOD so far and it made me want to try it.

Yeah I wouldn't mind a more suitable name at some point, Starbow is just incredibly random and I first thought it was just some arcade game.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4009 Posts
January 13 2014 19:55 GMT
#465
On January 14 2014 04:05 tshi wrote:
I hope pro-players/popular ones start to stream themselves playing this -- i would argue that even though it's not helpful for them in the short-term, it might be helpful in the long run if it draws attention and blizzard does something (but im not optimistic =/)


Don't know about you guys but if there would be a pro tournament in StarBow i would actually watch the entire thing, and possibly wouldn't mind paying.

At this moment i don't claim it to be a perfect game, but it is amazingly fun to watch - so much action + so many possibilities for creativity and excellence ...
Drone is a way of living
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
January 13 2014 19:55 GMT
#466
On January 14 2014 04:54 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:51 d00p wrote:
I gotta tell you I don't like the name Starbow. Like, what's it supposed to mean? StarCraft bended like a bow? Or bowing before StarCraft and thus paying homage to the true StarCraft (BW)? It should be called StarCraft: Brood War 2 imo. Isn't that what it's trying to be? Or would that be a problem wiht Blizz?

Seen one Husky VOD so far and it made me want to try it.

SC2BW exists already http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316


SCBW2 vs SC2BW
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CutTheEnemy
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada373 Posts
January 13 2014 19:58 GMT
#467
Don't know about you guys but if there would be a pro tournament in StarBow i would actually watch the entire thing, and possibly wouldn't mind paying.


To support the mod, I'd pay to see a pro tournament. Actually.
Can we help spread the word and create pressure to get Rob Pardo to replace Browder as head of Sc2? Pardo led the team for broodwar, frozen throne, and wow/BC. We need to make this a thing before LotV development starts. Think about it.
Diddywhop
Profile Joined March 2013
United States42 Posts
January 13 2014 20:00 GMT
#468
On January 14 2014 04:58 CutTheEnemy wrote:
Show nested quote +
Don't know about you guys but if there would be a pro tournament in StarBow i would actually watch the entire thing, and possibly wouldn't mind paying.


To support the mod, I'd pay to see a pro tournament. Actually.


I wouldn't mind putting some money out there as well.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
January 13 2014 20:01 GMT
#469
On January 14 2014 04:58 CutTheEnemy wrote:
Show nested quote +
Don't know about you guys but if there would be a pro tournament in StarBow i would actually watch the entire thing, and possibly wouldn't mind paying.


To support the mod, I'd pay to see a pro tournament. Actually.

I would pay 20 bucks to see a tournament loaded with korean progamers
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 20:08:33
January 13 2014 20:01 GMT
#470
On January 14 2014 04:55 purakushi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:54 rift wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:51 d00p wrote:
I gotta tell you I don't like the name Starbow. Like, what's it supposed to mean? StarCraft bended like a bow? Or bowing before StarCraft and thus paying homage to the true StarCraft (BW)? It should be called StarCraft: Brood War 2 imo. Isn't that what it's trying to be? Or would that be a problem wiht Blizz?

Seen one Husky VOD so far and it made me want to try it.

SC2BW exists already http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316


SCBW2 vs SC2BW


Exactly. SCBW2. And no one plays SC2BW.
-stOpSKY-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada498 Posts
January 13 2014 20:03 GMT
#471
On January 14 2014 04:47 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:25 -stOpSKY- wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Well, I hope this overhype will not shatter the sc2 player base. Because that would be the worse possible effect you could ever do for the sc2 ;-)


What does that even mean? If Starbow turns out to be better than SC2 why shouldn't it shatter the player base and gain popularity? I think they really missed the mark with SC2 and it became even worse in HoTS.

I would be all for having a BW based unit game with a mix of BW and SC2 mechanics.


I think it has to do with any RTS that comes out that pulls people away from sc2. If that RTS is more fun, more interesting to watch, more appealing to sc2 fans, it'll hurt sc2. If that game can't support the pro scene as well as sc2 can, it'll hurt that as well. Less people will want to watch sc2, so the scene will diminish. If the new RTS can't support the pro scene with a ranked ladder and matchmaking, it's harder for pros to switch. It won't have a company like blizz running a tourney like WCS. It probably won't have big tourneys like Dreamhack, or if it did, would sc2 still be there? Probably not.

Anyway, the death of sc2 (or anything that removes interest from existing fans) isn't good for sc2 and isn't good for starbow. Ideally starbow will gain in popularity just enough to force blizz make some drastic changes to sc2. Some small tournies, some pros investing time to help balance, people having fun and being able to point to the drastic changes they like. That's best case scenario here. I don't think a full switch from sc2 to starbow would be good for the scene even if it proves to be the superior game.

Love this mod though. So good.


Funding will come to games that deserve it. Just because some big named company is backing a tourney doesn't mean the game is any good. Just look at League.


Either way I think this mod is worlds above SC2 in its current state.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 20:07:48
January 13 2014 20:04 GMT
#472
On January 14 2014 05:01 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:58 CutTheEnemy wrote:
Don't know about you guys but if there would be a pro tournament in StarBow i would actually watch the entire thing, and possibly wouldn't mind paying.


To support the mod, I'd pay to see a pro tournament. Actually.

I would pay 20 bucks to see a tournament loaded with korean progamers


Ditto. Also, if things go well with my business, I want to sponsor reoccuring small scale tournaments. Hopefully Starbow-things don't die down by then ;;

On January 14 2014 05:03 -stOpSKY- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:47 Rad wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:25 -stOpSKY- wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Well, I hope this overhype will not shatter the sc2 player base. Because that would be the worse possible effect you could ever do for the sc2 ;-)


What does that even mean? If Starbow turns out to be better than SC2 why shouldn't it shatter the player base and gain popularity? I think they really missed the mark with SC2 and it became even worse in HoTS.

I would be all for having a BW based unit game with a mix of BW and SC2 mechanics.


I think it has to do with any RTS that comes out that pulls people away from sc2. If that RTS is more fun, more interesting to watch, more appealing to sc2 fans, it'll hurt sc2. If that game can't support the pro scene as well as sc2 can, it'll hurt that as well. Less people will want to watch sc2, so the scene will diminish. If the new RTS can't support the pro scene with a ranked ladder and matchmaking, it's harder for pros to switch. It won't have a company like blizz running a tourney like WCS. It probably won't have big tourneys like Dreamhack, or if it did, would sc2 still be there? Probably not.

Anyway, the death of sc2 (or anything that removes interest from existing fans) isn't good for sc2 and isn't good for starbow. Ideally starbow will gain in popularity just enough to force blizz make some drastic changes to sc2. Some small tournies, some pros investing time to help balance, people having fun and being able to point to the drastic changes they like. That's best case scenario here. I don't think a full switch from sc2 to starbow would be good for the scene even if it proves to be the superior game.

Love this mod though. So good.


Funding will come to games that deserve it. Just because some big named company is backing a tourney doesn't mean the game is any good. Just look at League.


Either way I think this mod is worlds above SC2 in its current state.


Sigh, this LoL hate...
I quit playing a while ago, but LoL is a good game. SC2 people just hate it because it seems "mechanically easy". Alright, I'll stop talking about LoL.
T P Z sagi
Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
January 13 2014 20:08 GMT
#473
On January 14 2014 04:47 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:25 -stOpSKY- wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Well, I hope this overhype will not shatter the sc2 player base. Because that would be the worse possible effect you could ever do for the sc2 ;-)


What does that even mean? If Starbow turns out to be better than SC2 why shouldn't it shatter the player base and gain popularity? I think they really missed the mark with SC2 and it became even worse in HoTS.

I would be all for having a BW based unit game with a mix of BW and SC2 mechanics.


I think it has to do with any RTS that comes out that pulls people away from sc2. If that RTS is more fun, more interesting to watch, more appealing to sc2 fans, it'll hurt sc2. If that game can't support the pro scene as well as sc2 can, it'll hurt that as well. Less people will want to watch sc2, so the scene will diminish. If the new RTS can't support the pro scene with a ranked ladder and matchmaking, it's harder for pros to switch. It won't have a company like blizz running a tourney like WCS. It probably won't have big tourneys like Dreamhack, or if it did, would sc2 still be there? Probably not.

Anyway, the death of sc2 (or anything that removes interest from existing fans) isn't good for sc2 and isn't good for starbow. Ideally starbow will gain in popularity just enough to force blizz make some drastic changes to sc2. Some small tournies, some pros investing time to help balance, people having fun and being able to point to the drastic changes they like. That's best case scenario here. I don't think a full switch from sc2 to starbow would be good for the scene even if it proves to be the superior game.

Love this mod though. So good.

I disagree only because currently SC2 is bad for SC2. Many players and fans are leaving because they don't enjoy the game. I don't think minor changes from Blizzard are going to help that. The best thing that can happen is some great RTS comes around and a scene grows around that instead (just my opinion though).
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
January 13 2014 20:10 GMT
#474
On January 14 2014 04:47 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:25 -stOpSKY- wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Well, I hope this overhype will not shatter the sc2 player base. Because that would be the worse possible effect you could ever do for the sc2 ;-)


What does that even mean? If Starbow turns out to be better than SC2 why shouldn't it shatter the player base and gain popularity? I think they really missed the mark with SC2 and it became even worse in HoTS.

I would be all for having a BW based unit game with a mix of BW and SC2 mechanics.


I think it has to do with any RTS that comes out that pulls people away from sc2. If that RTS is more fun, more interesting to watch, more appealing to sc2 fans, it'll hurt sc2. If that game can't support the pro scene as well as sc2 can, it'll hurt that as well. Less people will want to watch sc2, so the scene will diminish. If the new RTS can't support the pro scene with a ranked ladder and matchmaking, it's harder for pros to switch. It won't have a company like blizz running a tourney like WCS. It probably won't have big tourneys like Dreamhack, or if it did, would sc2 still be there? Probably not.

Anyway, the death of sc2 (or anything that removes interest from existing fans) isn't good for sc2 and isn't good for starbow. Ideally starbow will gain in popularity just enough to force blizz make some drastic changes to sc2. Some small tournies, some pros investing time to help balance, people having fun and being able to point to the drastic changes they like. That's best case scenario here. I don't think a full switch from sc2 to starbow would be good for the scene even if it proves to be the superior game.

Love this mod though. So good.


Another scenario of this mod ( and/or perhaps some other similar mods ) to become huge enough with the upcoming F2P, that it becomes viable to monetize it somehow, providing bnet supported automated tournaments, ranked matchmaking and perhaps some other extra goodies for small fee's ( hopefully free for owners of WoL/HotS ).

The map marketplace will happen for sure, if despite the arcade interface, the mod scene somehow manages to become huge enough for it to be worth spending few thousand developer hours on that.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 20:13:02
January 13 2014 20:11 GMT
#475
On January 14 2014 05:08 Beef Noodles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:47 Rad wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:25 -stOpSKY- wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Well, I hope this overhype will not shatter the sc2 player base. Because that would be the worse possible effect you could ever do for the sc2 ;-)


What does that even mean? If Starbow turns out to be better than SC2 why shouldn't it shatter the player base and gain popularity? I think they really missed the mark with SC2 and it became even worse in HoTS.

I would be all for having a BW based unit game with a mix of BW and SC2 mechanics.


I think it has to do with any RTS that comes out that pulls people away from sc2. If that RTS is more fun, more interesting to watch, more appealing to sc2 fans, it'll hurt sc2. If that game can't support the pro scene as well as sc2 can, it'll hurt that as well. Less people will want to watch sc2, so the scene will diminish. If the new RTS can't support the pro scene with a ranked ladder and matchmaking, it's harder for pros to switch. It won't have a company like blizz running a tourney like WCS. It probably won't have big tourneys like Dreamhack, or if it did, would sc2 still be there? Probably not.

Anyway, the death of sc2 (or anything that removes interest from existing fans) isn't good for sc2 and isn't good for starbow. Ideally starbow will gain in popularity just enough to force blizz make some drastic changes to sc2. Some small tournies, some pros investing time to help balance, people having fun and being able to point to the drastic changes they like. That's best case scenario here. I don't think a full switch from sc2 to starbow would be good for the scene even if it proves to be the superior game.

Love this mod though. So good.

I disagree only because currently SC2 is bad for SC2. Many players and fans are leaving because they don't enjoy the game. I don't think minor changes from Blizzard are going to help that. The best thing that can happen is some great RTS comes around and a scene grows around that instead (just my opinion though).


Yeah, these past few years, SC2 has just been living off of the "Starcraft" name, Blizzard money, and hope that it will be a better game upon the next expansion. A game truly realises its worth when if it can survive without those dependencies.
T P Z sagi
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
January 13 2014 20:15 GMT
#476
On January 14 2014 04:55 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:05 tshi wrote:
I hope pro-players/popular ones start to stream themselves playing this -- i would argue that even though it's not helpful for them in the short-term, it might be helpful in the long run if it draws attention and blizzard does something (but im not optimistic =/)


Don't know about you guys but if there would be a pro tournament in StarBow i would actually watch the entire thing, and possibly wouldn't mind paying.

At this moment i don't claim it to be a perfect game, but it is amazingly fun to watch - so much action + so many possibilities for creativity and excellence ...

Yeah me too ><. I'd pay $5 for a pot or some kind of incentive easily. Seeing how 'high the skill ceiling is' when the micro potential is as it is in this mod makes it really intriguing to see pros play it!

This is probably not a good week for David Kim.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 20:19:33
January 13 2014 20:16 GMT
#477
On January 14 2014 05:15 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:55 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:05 tshi wrote:
I hope pro-players/popular ones start to stream themselves playing this -- i would argue that even though it's not helpful for them in the short-term, it might be helpful in the long run if it draws attention and blizzard does something (but im not optimistic =/)


Don't know about you guys but if there would be a pro tournament in StarBow i would actually watch the entire thing, and possibly wouldn't mind paying.

At this moment i don't claim it to be a perfect game, but it is amazingly fun to watch - so much action + so many possibilities for creativity and excellence ...

This is probably not a good week for David Kim.


Or maybe it is. He purposefully made SC2 the way it is and has been waiting all this time for some community members to do his work for him and actually create a real sequel to SCBW.
And by him, I just mean Blizzard.
Genius!
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Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 20:19:56
January 13 2014 20:17 GMT
#478
On January 14 2014 05:08 Beef Noodles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:47 Rad wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:25 -stOpSKY- wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Well, I hope this overhype will not shatter the sc2 player base. Because that would be the worse possible effect you could ever do for the sc2 ;-)


What does that even mean? If Starbow turns out to be better than SC2 why shouldn't it shatter the player base and gain popularity? I think they really missed the mark with SC2 and it became even worse in HoTS.

I would be all for having a BW based unit game with a mix of BW and SC2 mechanics.


I think it has to do with any RTS that comes out that pulls people away from sc2. If that RTS is more fun, more interesting to watch, more appealing to sc2 fans, it'll hurt sc2. If that game can't support the pro scene as well as sc2 can, it'll hurt that as well. Less people will want to watch sc2, so the scene will diminish. If the new RTS can't support the pro scene with a ranked ladder and matchmaking, it's harder for pros to switch. It won't have a company like blizz running a tourney like WCS. It probably won't have big tourneys like Dreamhack, or if it did, would sc2 still be there? Probably not.

Anyway, the death of sc2 (or anything that removes interest from existing fans) isn't good for sc2 and isn't good for starbow. Ideally starbow will gain in popularity just enough to force blizz make some drastic changes to sc2. Some small tournies, some pros investing time to help balance, people having fun and being able to point to the drastic changes they like. That's best case scenario here. I don't think a full switch from sc2 to starbow would be good for the scene even if it proves to be the superior game.

Love this mod though. So good.

I disagree only because currently SC2 is bad for SC2. Many players and fans are leaving because they don't enjoy the game. I don't think minor changes from Blizzard are going to help that. The best thing that can happen is some great RTS comes around and a scene grows around that instead (just my opinion though).


But can starbow (as an sc2 mod) support the current scene? I don't really think so. Not without an easy to use matchmaking system and ladder, or a ton of money thrown into a bunch of tournaments.

Sure it could grass roots its way into popularity but if it takes down sc2 before it can support the pro scene, that's not good.

Don't get me wrong, I think this mod is great and want to see it grow a competitive scene, but killing sc2 in the process (or before it can handle the scene) is bad.

On January 14 2014 05:10 rename wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:47 Rad wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:25 -stOpSKY- wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Well, I hope this overhype will not shatter the sc2 player base. Because that would be the worse possible effect you could ever do for the sc2 ;-)


What does that even mean? If Starbow turns out to be better than SC2 why shouldn't it shatter the player base and gain popularity? I think they really missed the mark with SC2 and it became even worse in HoTS.

I would be all for having a BW based unit game with a mix of BW and SC2 mechanics.


I think it has to do with any RTS that comes out that pulls people away from sc2. If that RTS is more fun, more interesting to watch, more appealing to sc2 fans, it'll hurt sc2. If that game can't support the pro scene as well as sc2 can, it'll hurt that as well. Less people will want to watch sc2, so the scene will diminish. If the new RTS can't support the pro scene with a ranked ladder and matchmaking, it's harder for pros to switch. It won't have a company like blizz running a tourney like WCS. It probably won't have big tourneys like Dreamhack, or if it did, would sc2 still be there? Probably not.

Anyway, the death of sc2 (or anything that removes interest from existing fans) isn't good for sc2 and isn't good for starbow. Ideally starbow will gain in popularity just enough to force blizz make some drastic changes to sc2. Some small tournies, some pros investing time to help balance, people having fun and being able to point to the drastic changes they like. That's best case scenario here. I don't think a full switch from sc2 to starbow would be good for the scene even if it proves to be the superior game.

Love this mod though. So good.


Another scenario of this mod ( and/or perhaps some other similar mods ) to become huge enough with the upcoming F2P, that it becomes viable to monetize it somehow, providing bnet supported automated tournaments, ranked matchmaking and perhaps some other extra goodies for small fee's ( hopefully free for owners of WoL/HotS ).

The map marketplace will happen for sure, if despite the arcade interface, the mod scene somehow manages to become huge enough for it to be worth spending few thousand developer hours on that.


Yeah, this scenario sounds great. Will it happen anytime soon though? Starbow's already knocking at the door...
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
January 13 2014 20:26 GMT
#479
Sick mod. Needs a new name. Starcraft2: Legacy of the Brood Heart Wings of Liberty Void Swarm War.
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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 20:29:09
January 13 2014 20:28 GMT
#480
On January 14 2014 05:26 GinDo wrote:
Sick mod. Needs a new name. Starcraft2: Legacy of the Brood Heart Wings of Liberty Void Swarm War.


SC2: Legacy of the Swarm Wings
SC2: Heart of the Void of Liberty
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