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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 22:24:41
January 25 2014 22:13 GMT
#2621
That's a good point. Although, at the same time, the fact the developers designed the game also gives them insight, no? I think I'm seeing from the view that just being a pro does not mean that your view into the game is specifically or always better. It might not be. This is because I think the hive mind of Starcraft is generally better than a single mind or small group of minds.

Hence why I doubt that the benefits of balancing by Pros would be better than any other realistic method one can think of.

Anyway, bit of a moot discussion, lol. I doubt Kabel and Co are going to giving up the reigns anytime soon.

Edit/ And, as Grumbels shows below, the skill level is not static and never will be.

KT best KT ~ 2014
kawazu
Profile Joined May 2010
United States111 Posts
January 25 2014 22:15 GMT
#2622
On January 25 2014 22:13 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think it would be better to increase the duration on shock even if it means lowering the range, removing the AOE/slow, and increasing the energy cost.


Hmm. The question is though whether that removes the part we don't like, where you just spam it everywhere on opponents army.


Say it lasted 8 seconds, didn't slow, was single target, had 7 range, and cost 75 energy.

I think the shorter range and the ability for your opponent to disengage after getting hit would make it less spammable while still being useful.

I also think it would allow bio to be more viable mid game against small numbers of counter units without really affecting mech play much. Due to mech's lower mobility, the ability for an opponent to disengage would be more limiting.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 25 2014 22:17 GMT
#2623
On January 26 2014 07:06 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:57 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:48 aZealot wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.


Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance.

I would have no problem if its multiple pro from different races. If everyone of them is self interested for their own race and we have reps from all three races the game might be balanced.


That still not might lead to the result you want because no single pro knows everything about their race, in the same way that no single person knows all about starcraft (or starbow). Second, different pros might not agree which could lead to a deadlock.

I don't think there is a 100% sure way to secure design and balance. But, I think leaving it up to Pros is one of the worse ways.

To support this, if you let pro players balance the game they might make balance changes based on their current level of play, which is often terrible if compared to that of top players a year from now.

Take this video as an example and imagine how awful it would be to balance the game around this.

+ Show Spoiler +
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
January 25 2014 22:33 GMT
#2624
On January 26 2014 07:17 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 07:06 aZealot wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:57 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:48 aZealot wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.


Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance.

I would have no problem if its multiple pro from different races. If everyone of them is self interested for their own race and we have reps from all three races the game might be balanced.


That still not might lead to the result you want because no single pro knows everything about their race, in the same way that no single person knows all about starcraft (or starbow). Second, different pros might not agree which could lead to a deadlock.

I don't think there is a 100% sure way to secure design and balance. But, I think leaving it up to Pros is one of the worse ways.

To support this, if you let pro players balance the game they might make balance changes based on their current level of play, which is often terrible if compared to that of top players a year from now.

Take this video as an example and imagine how awful it would be to balance the game around this.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGQnnMvlAPQ


Omg I remember that game and the tears I had how drewbie throwed it away.
aka Kalevi
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
January 25 2014 22:39 GMT
#2625
Dat Beastyqt Vs Dragon game!!!

I'll try and get the rep and cast it sometime.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Season
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States301 Posts
January 25 2014 22:40 GMT
#2626
On January 26 2014 07:39 Xiphias wrote:
Dat Beastyqt Vs Dragon game!!!

I'll try and get the rep and cast it sometime.


That was a brilliant showing of how glorious this game is!!~
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 25 2014 22:52 GMT
#2627
On January 26 2014 07:39 Xiphias wrote:
Dat Beastyqt Vs Dragon game!!!

I'll try and get the rep and cast it sometime.

Yeah, it was really really amazing. I don't like Mirrors, but this one was sick.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
SolidSMD
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium408 Posts
January 25 2014 23:12 GMT
#2628
game 2 was soo insane, 55 mins full of action T_T, beasty almost made a come back.
Working on Starbow!
magicmUnky
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia280 Posts
January 25 2014 23:18 GMT
#2629
Is there a VOD for this beastyqt v dragon game?

I'm reinstalling SC2 to play starbow
Season
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States301 Posts
January 25 2014 23:20 GMT
#2630
On January 26 2014 08:18 magicmUnky wrote:
Is there a VOD for this beastyqt v dragon game?

I'm reinstalling SC2 to play starbow


Both Dragon and BeastyQT were streaming during the game, so I guess you could watch their POV on their Twitch channels.
SolidSMD
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium408 Posts
January 25 2014 23:21 GMT
#2631
On January 26 2014 08:18 magicmUnky wrote:
Is there a VOD for this beastyqt v dragon game?

I'm reinstalling SC2 to play starbow

you can probably watch it on beasty's/dragon's twitch in a couple hours
Working on Starbow!
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 25 2014 23:22 GMT
#2632
I've been watching streamers like Beasty and TT1 and i can easily say that its much much better than hots :>
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
January 25 2014 23:30 GMT
#2633
epic micro battle going on on beasty's stream atm.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 23:42:10
January 25 2014 23:37 GMT
#2634
Beasty has no idea about what to do against Protoss :>

He should watch some Flash replays from bw :3 He's definitely lackin game understading. He has no idea about what to do against reaver.

In my opinion, he should've gone 2 vulture+cc+spider mine+tank and siege upgrade. Put two turrets around mineral line, put 4 mine plus your second tank in your base so that reaver can't harras easily.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
January 25 2014 23:43 GMT
#2635
On January 26 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote:
Beasty has no idea about what to do against Protoss :>

He should watch some Flash replays from bw :3 He's definitely lackin game understading. He has no idea about what to do against reaver.

In my opinion, he should've gone 2 vulture+cc+spider mine+tank and siege upgrade. Put two turrets around mineral line, put 4 mine plus your second tank in your base so that reaver can't harras easily.



for a new player would watching some BW in general give me a better understanding of starbow ?
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
January 25 2014 23:46 GMT
#2636
On January 26 2014 08:43 KDot2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote:
Beasty has no idea about what to do against Protoss :>

He should watch some Flash replays from bw :3 He's definitely lackin game understading. He has no idea about what to do against reaver.

In my opinion, he should've gone 2 vulture+cc+spider mine+tank and siege upgrade. Put two turrets around mineral line, put 4 mine plus your second tank in your base so that reaver can't harras easily.



for a new player would watching some BW in general give me a better understanding of starbow ?


yes.
aka Kalevi
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 23:47:43
January 25 2014 23:47 GMT
#2637
At least it would give you idea about how to place your mines and openings imo.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 23:59:16
January 25 2014 23:57 GMT
#2638
my god, Beastyqt vs Arthur, what a game. Starbow has lots of potential, its really fun to watch, im enjoying it more and more.

edit: Their Series is not finished: Beastys Stream
President of the ReaL Fan Club.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 25 2014 23:58 GMT
#2639
On January 26 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote:
Beasty has no idea about what to do against Protoss :>

He should watch some Flash replays from bw :3 He's definitely lackin game understading. He has no idea about what to do against reaver.

In my opinion, he should've gone 2 vulture+cc+spider mine+tank and siege upgrade. Put two turrets around mineral line, put 4 mine plus your second tank in your base so that reaver can't harras easily.

Beasty played BW, at least he said he did. Mines also won't do much against Reaver drops since they work differently in Starbow and you can evade them easily with Warp Prism. :/
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 00:16:35
January 26 2014 00:16 GMT
#2640
Beastyqt's stream is brilliant, he really deserves more viewers. Can't believe more people aren't streaming Starbow. Been playing Starbow for a few days now, and now I can't even watch/play HoTS anymore. It's just so boring in comparison.
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