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That's a good point. Although, at the same time, the fact the developers designed the game also gives them insight, no? I think I'm seeing from the view that just being a pro does not mean that your view into the game is specifically or always better. It might not be. This is because I think the hive mind of Starcraft is generally better than a single mind or small group of minds.
Hence why I doubt that the benefits of balancing by Pros would be better than any other realistic method one can think of.
Anyway, bit of a moot discussion, lol. I doubt Kabel and Co are going to giving up the reigns anytime soon. 
Edit/ And, as Grumbels shows below, the skill level is not static and never will be.
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On January 25 2014 22:13 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +I think it would be better to increase the duration on shock even if it means lowering the range, removing the AOE/slow, and increasing the energy cost. Hmm. The question is though whether that removes the part we don't like, where you just spam it everywhere on opponents army. Say it lasted 8 seconds, didn't slow, was single target, had 7 range, and cost 75 energy.
I think the shorter range and the ability for your opponent to disengage after getting hit would make it less spammable while still being useful.
I also think it would allow bio to be more viable mid game against small numbers of counter units without really affecting mech play much. Due to mech's lower mobility, the ability for an opponent to disengage would be more limiting.
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On January 26 2014 07:06 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 06:57 royalroadweed wrote:On January 26 2014 06:48 aZealot wrote:On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote: Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game. Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance. I would have no problem if its multiple pro from different races. If everyone of them is self interested for their own race and we have reps from all three races the game might be balanced. That still not might lead to the result you want because no single pro knows everything about their race, in the same way that no single person knows all about starcraft (or starbow). Second, different pros might not agree which could lead to a deadlock. I don't think there is a 100% sure way to secure design and balance. But, I think leaving it up to Pros is one of the worse ways. To support this, if you let pro players balance the game they might make balance changes based on their current level of play, which is often terrible if compared to that of top players a year from now.
Take this video as an example and imagine how awful it would be to balance the game around this.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On January 26 2014 07:17 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:06 aZealot wrote:On January 26 2014 06:57 royalroadweed wrote:On January 26 2014 06:48 aZealot wrote:On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote: Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game. Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance. I would have no problem if its multiple pro from different races. If everyone of them is self interested for their own race and we have reps from all three races the game might be balanced. That still not might lead to the result you want because no single pro knows everything about their race, in the same way that no single person knows all about starcraft (or starbow). Second, different pros might not agree which could lead to a deadlock. I don't think there is a 100% sure way to secure design and balance. But, I think leaving it up to Pros is one of the worse ways. To support this, if you let pro players balance the game they might make balance changes based on their current level of play, which is often terrible if compared to that of top players a year from now. Take this video as an example and imagine how awful it would be to balance the game around this. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGQnnMvlAPQ
Omg I remember that game and the tears I had how drewbie throwed it away.
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Dat Beastyqt Vs Dragon game!!!
I'll try and get the rep and cast it sometime.
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On January 26 2014 07:39 Xiphias wrote: Dat Beastyqt Vs Dragon game!!!
I'll try and get the rep and cast it sometime.
That was a brilliant showing of how glorious this game is!!~
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On January 26 2014 07:39 Xiphias wrote: Dat Beastyqt Vs Dragon game!!!
I'll try and get the rep and cast it sometime. Yeah, it was really really amazing. I don't like Mirrors, but this one was sick.
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game 2 was soo insane, 55 mins full of action T_T, beasty almost made a come back.
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Is there a VOD for this beastyqt v dragon game?
I'm reinstalling SC2 to play starbow
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On January 26 2014 08:18 magicmUnky wrote:Is there a VOD for this beastyqt v dragon game? I'm reinstalling SC2 to play starbow 
Both Dragon and BeastyQT were streaming during the game, so I guess you could watch their POV on their Twitch channels.
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On January 26 2014 08:18 magicmUnky wrote:Is there a VOD for this beastyqt v dragon game? I'm reinstalling SC2 to play starbow  you can probably watch it on beasty's/dragon's twitch in a couple hours
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I've been watching streamers like Beasty and TT1 and i can easily say that its much much better than hots :>
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epic micro battle going on on beasty's stream atm.
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Beasty has no idea about what to do against Protoss :>
He should watch some Flash replays from bw :3 He's definitely lackin game understading. He has no idea about what to do against reaver.
In my opinion, he should've gone 2 vulture+cc+spider mine+tank and siege upgrade. Put two turrets around mineral line, put 4 mine plus your second tank in your base so that reaver can't harras easily.
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On January 26 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote: Beasty has no idea about what to do against Protoss :>
He should watch some Flash replays from bw :3 He's definitely lackin game understading. He has no idea about what to do against reaver.
In my opinion, he should've gone 2 vulture+cc+spider mine+tank and siege upgrade. Put two turrets around mineral line, put 4 mine plus your second tank in your base so that reaver can't harras easily.
for a new player would watching some BW in general give me a better understanding of starbow ?
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On January 26 2014 08:43 KDot2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote: Beasty has no idea about what to do against Protoss :>
He should watch some Flash replays from bw :3 He's definitely lackin game understading. He has no idea about what to do against reaver.
In my opinion, he should've gone 2 vulture+cc+spider mine+tank and siege upgrade. Put two turrets around mineral line, put 4 mine plus your second tank in your base so that reaver can't harras easily. for a new player would watching some BW in general give me a better understanding of starbow ?
yes.
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At least it would give you idea about how to place your mines and openings imo.
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my god, Beastyqt vs Arthur, what a game. Starbow has lots of potential, its really fun to watch, im enjoying it more and more.
edit: Their Series is not finished: Beastys Stream
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On January 26 2014 08:37 Mensol wrote: Beasty has no idea about what to do against Protoss :>
He should watch some Flash replays from bw :3 He's definitely lackin game understading. He has no idea about what to do against reaver.
In my opinion, he should've gone 2 vulture+cc+spider mine+tank and siege upgrade. Put two turrets around mineral line, put 4 mine plus your second tank in your base so that reaver can't harras easily. Beasty played BW, at least he said he did. Mines also won't do much against Reaver drops since they work differently in Starbow and you can evade them easily with Warp Prism. :/
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Beastyqt's stream is brilliant, he really deserves more viewers. Can't believe more people aren't streaming Starbow. Been playing Starbow for a few days now, and now I can't even watch/play HoTS anymore. It's just so boring in comparison.
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