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404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
January 25 2014 20:49 GMT
#2601
On January 26 2014 05:00 LastDance wrote:
Starbow - Making David K and Dustin B look like amateurs.

User was warned for this post


You got warned for that? wow.
aka Kalevi
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
January 25 2014 20:50 GMT
#2602
On January 26 2014 03:36 Tenda wrote:
Hey guys, I've been working on a website for matchmaking and ladder for starbow. Head over to starbowarena.com and try it out. It still needs a lot of work, but the base functionality is all there. I figured it would be better to get it out there sooner than later. Many updates are coming everyday. Feel free to PM me with and feedback.


Starbow is working on a ladder system atm, and this is not it. Just heads up here. Hopefully we can cooperate to make one good ladder system. I think it is unwise to have competing ladder systems for a mod with a relative few player base (atm that is...)
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 25 2014 21:09 GMT
#2603
On January 26 2014 05:49 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:00 LastDance wrote:
Starbow - Making David K and Dustin B look like amateurs.

User was warned for this post


You got warned for that? wow.


maybe mods got fed up with it over the last days and are going no tolerance on this. Since some people use every opportunity to bash David Kim lately.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 25 2014 21:09 GMT
#2604
On January 26 2014 05:49 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:00 LastDance wrote:
Starbow - Making David K and Dustin B look like amateurs.

User was warned for this post


You got warned for that? wow.

Well any bashing on David Kim and Dusting Browder results in warning/ban as far as I saw in past few days.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 21:14:46
January 25 2014 21:12 GMT
#2605
On January 26 2014 05:49 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:00 LastDance wrote:
Starbow - Making David K and Dustin B look like amateurs.

User was warned for this post


You got warned for that? wow.

The point of Starbow is the opposite of trying to discredit Blizzard and trying to usurp SC2, instead it's supposed to coexist with SC2 and allow people to play the game they like the most. (Blizzard created the map editor and arcade system, anyhow, allowing projects like Starbow to exist)
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 21:26:10
January 25 2014 21:24 GMT
#2606
Agreed that continually bashing Blizzard is useless and counterproductive in this thread.

Yes, a majority of people on TL (including me) are not fans of Blizzard's handling of SC2 and don't like Blizzard developers.

No, shitting on them in the Starbow thread is not going to change anything for SC2. It's pointless and might actually antagonize the SC2 team into working against this mod if they get butthurt.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
January 25 2014 21:32 GMT
#2607
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.
Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one.
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
January 25 2014 21:35 GMT
#2608
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.


no...
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
January 25 2014 21:35 GMT
#2609
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.

no...
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 21:40:44
January 25 2014 21:36 GMT
#2610
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.

That's a bad idea. You need people without an economic interest in balance.
On January 26 2014 06:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:49 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On January 26 2014 05:00 LastDance wrote:
Starbow - Making David K and Dustin B look like amateurs.

User was warned for this post


You got warned for that? wow.

Well any bashing on David Kim and Dusting Browder results in warning/ban as far as I saw in past few days.

Its always been like that, anything negative about Blizzard gets squashed pretty quickly. Blizzard holds a lot of power over the mods for some reason.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 25 2014 21:38 GMT
#2611
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.

That never ends up well. Because they are pros they seem even more biased then some of the players or spectators.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
TanKLoveR
Profile Joined August 2008
Venezuela838 Posts
January 25 2014 21:38 GMT
#2612
I found out about this mod recently and I have to say I'm really impressed, for the first time in 2 years I was regretting the fact that I gave away my SC2 account lol. Thankfully Blizz made it so I can play mods for free, so no more regret. I really want to see how this game evolves considering it probably is far from perfectly balanced and strategies are being thought of all the time, it took a long time for BW to reach that perfect level of strategy but was it fun watch it get there. I really hope to see the same happen with Starbow.
Moroshima Haruka, forever best girl. My dream is to die thinking "Wow, that was fun. I'm tired."
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 21:48:49
January 25 2014 21:47 GMT
#2613
On January 26 2014 05:49 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:00 LastDance wrote:
Starbow - Making David K and Dustin B look like amateurs.

User was warned for this post


You got warned for that? wow.


About time. So much juvenile bashing of DK and DB. The mods were slackening off for a while. I'm glad they've decided to step it up. It will make SC2 General a better place. More to the point, there was no relevance in that post to this thread anyway.
KT best KT ~ 2014
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 21:49:17
January 25 2014 21:48 GMT
#2614
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.


Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance.
KT best KT ~ 2014
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 21:55:43
January 25 2014 21:55 GMT
#2615
On January 26 2014 06:47 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 05:49 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On January 26 2014 05:00 LastDance wrote:
Starbow - Making David K and Dustin B look like amateurs.

User was warned for this post


You got warned for that? wow.


About time. So much juvenile bashing of DK and DB. The mods were slackening off for a while. I'm glad they've decided to step it up. It will make SC2 General a better place. More to the point, there was no relevance in that post to this thread anyway.


People are not fed up with DK and DB without reason. But I guess it makes sense that senseless bashing doesnt result in anything constructive.

On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.

no...
aka Kalevi
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
January 25 2014 21:57 GMT
#2616
On January 26 2014 06:48 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.


Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance.

I would have no problem if its multiple pro from different races. If everyone of them is self interested for their own race and we have reps from all three races the game might be balanced.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
January 25 2014 21:58 GMT
#2617
On January 26 2014 06:57 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:48 aZealot wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.


Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance.

I would have no problem if its multiple pro from different races. If everyone of them is self interested for their own race and we have reps from all three races the game might be balanced.

But you do not only want to have the game balanced. You also need designers to keep it fun and exciting to watch.
aka Kalevi
Sepi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland231 Posts
January 25 2014 22:01 GMT
#2618
I'll be getting back to SC2 just for this. I'll watched couple of streamed games of this and it looks fabulous.

I agree too that its not to discredit Blizz, because afterall THEY were the ones who created these tools and they were created just because of this.

I wanna see DB or DK interview though where they are asked about starbow. I'm sure that they pretty much know how starbow plays out. It would be really interesting to see, how they comment on the gameplay.
♞live like a windrammer as you fuck ♞
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
January 25 2014 22:06 GMT
#2619
On January 26 2014 06:57 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:48 aZealot wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.


Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance.

I would have no problem if its multiple pro from different races. If everyone of them is self interested for their own race and we have reps from all three races the game might be balanced.


That still not might lead to the result you want because no single pro knows everything about their race, in the same way that no single person knows all about starcraft (or starbow). Second, different pros might not agree which could lead to a deadlock.

I don't think there is a 100% sure way to secure design and balance. But, I think leaving it up to Pros is one of the worse ways.
KT best KT ~ 2014
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
January 25 2014 22:08 GMT
#2620
On January 26 2014 07:06 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:57 royalroadweed wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:48 aZealot wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:32 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Starbow devs should just hand over all balance authority to the pros who play the game.


Thankfully, nope and never. Self-interested pros are the last people to take on balance.

I would have no problem if its multiple pro from different races. If everyone of them is self interested for their own race and we have reps from all three races the game might be balanced.


That still not might lead to the result you want because no single pro knows everything about their race, in the same way that no single person knows all about starcraft (or starbow). Second, different pros might not agree which could lead to a deadlock.

I don't think there is a 100% sure way to secure design and balance. But, I think leaving it up to Pros is one of the worse ways.


Uhh but pros most def know more than amateur devs who dont play on as high of a level as pros
Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one.
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