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On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread.
Yeah... you're wrong, have been shown to be factually wrong on a number of accounts in this thread already and are still persisting. We know you're a diehard Flash fanboi, and calling Flash anything other than the second coming of Jesus will send you into a frothy rage, but can you just acknowledge that you are slightly biased and may be a little bit wrong?
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On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA.
DRG and Curious would probably be the favorite against Maru too; they're among the best ZvT in the world so I don't see how losing them is proof of anything. His second loss against MMA in their bo3 was simply a build order loss. Flash had a bad Dreamhack, yes, but a bad showing happens to everyone; Maru didn't do well at the Season 2 Finals either, while skill-wise he was a championship contender. I'm fairly sure Flash would have made it at least once to the RO8 in Code S had he not systematically be placed into groups of death each time.
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On December 24 2013 22:41 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. DRG and Curious would probably be the favorite against Maru too; they're among the best ZvT in the world so I don't see how losing them is proof of anything. His second loss against MMA in their bo3 was simply a build order loss. Flash had a bad Dreamhack, yes, but a bad showing happens to everyone; Maru didn't do well at the Season 2 Finals either, while skill-wise he was a championship contender. I'm fairly sure Flash would have made it at least once to the RO8 in Code S had he not systematically be placed into groups of death each time.
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea.
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On December 24 2013 22:37 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru. Which tournament did Flash win? Hell, could you point me to a premier besides that one MLG (which Maru to my memory did not attend) where Flash made the Ro8 and/or looked like a legit potential winner? Further, what has Flash shown in SC2 to make you think he is more talented than Maru at this game?
1st 2011 ABC Mart MSL
1st 2010 WCG Grand Finals
1st 2010 Korean Air Starleague Season 2
1st 2010 Bigfile MSL
2nd 2010 WCG 2010 Korea Championship
1st 2010 Hana Daetoo Securities MSL
2nd 2010 Korean Air Starleague 2010
2nd 2010 NATE MSL
1st 2010 EVER Starleague 2009
1st 2009 GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic Season 3
2nd 2008 GOMTV TG Sambo-Intel Classic Season 1
1st 2008 TG Sambo/Intel Classic Preseason Invitational
1st 2008 XNote GOMTV Star Invitational
1st 2008 Bacchus OSL
He looked like he was going to eventually reach that level in early to mid 2013 (see proleague). Obviously he didn't perform up to expectations in late 2013 and was sidetracked, but is one slump enough to doubt him?
On December 24 2013 22:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. Yeah... you're wrong, have been shown to be factually wrong on a number of accounts in this thread already and are still persisting. We know you're a diehard Flash fanboi, and calling Flash anything other than the second coming of Jesus will send you into a frothy rage, but can you just acknowledge that you are slightly biased and may be a little bit wrong?
Wrong on what occasions? Please tell me.
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On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread.
If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational.
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haha that BW history, highly relevant
On December 24 2013 22:44 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational.
i actually don't dislike zealously fyi, we're good mates, just sometimes his fandom can get irritating (although he'll say the same of me lol)
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On December 24 2013 22:41 Zealously wrote:
Being a fundamentally better player, one would think, should at least have led to comparable performances at any given point in HotS. This hasn't been the case at all, despite Flash having had 9 months and foreign tournaments at his disposal.
Flash had the best record in Proleague, and considering his status on KT Rolster, pretty much every player in Korea was prepping to snipe him. There's no reason to solely focus on individual leagues.
Besides, at the very beginning of HotS, he was probably the best player in the world next to Life. Remember that silver he got at MLG?
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at the very beginning of WoL. Rainbow was probably the best player in the world next to Fruitdealer, am I doing this right.
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Flash will do better than maru IF he has peak form? I would bet that Flash will be around 50% winrate at the end of proleague (if he isn't lucky and only plays the more "mediocre" players, which is unlikely in the current bo5 format).
Flash is the better player in BW but that doesn't mean he is the better player in any game you can think of, why would you even think that?
Maru is CLEARLY the more talented sc2 player and if he doesn't slump he will be the best terran in the upcoming proleague.
Just look at Flash games in sc2, he has mediocre micro and if you play terran in sc2 you need good micro to be a championship contender, all Flash has is good macro, that isn't enough.
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On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea.
Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream.
Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run.
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On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:41 TheDwf wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. DRG and Curious would probably be the favorite against Maru too; they're among the best ZvT in the world so I don't see how losing them is proof of anything. His second loss against MMA in their bo3 was simply a build order loss. Flash had a bad Dreamhack, yes, but a bad showing happens to everyone; Maru didn't do well at the Season 2 Finals either, while skill-wise he was a championship contender. I'm fairly sure Flash would have made it at least once to the RO8 in Code S had he not systematically be placed into groups of death each time. Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea.
Exactly why are you stupidly agressive when I never said anything about Maru having "easy groups"? The fact the competition is tough doesn't mean there aren't harder groups than others. See for instance the polls here or here.
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On December 24 2013 22:47 opterown wrote:
at the very beginning of WoL. Rainbow was probably the best player in the world next to Fruitdealer, am I doing this right.
He did say "at any given point in HotS". He probably shouldn't have used those words if they directly contradicted his argument.
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On December 24 2013 22:44 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:37 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru. Which tournament did Flash win? Hell, could you point me to a premier besides that one MLG (which Maru to my memory did not attend) where Flash made the Ro8 and/or looked like a legit potential winner? Further, what has Flash shown in SC2 to make you think he is more talented than Maru at this game? 1st 2011 ABC Mart MSL 1st 2010 WCG Grand Finals 1st 2010 Korean Air Starleague Season 2 1st 2010 Bigfile MSL 2nd 2010 WCG 2010 Korea Championship 1st 2010 Hana Daetoo Securities MSL 2nd 2010 Korean Air Starleague 2010 2nd 2010 NATE MSL 1st 2010 EVER Starleague 2009 1st 2009 GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic Season 3 2nd 2008 GOMTV TG Sambo-Intel Classic Season 1 1st 2008 TG Sambo/Intel Classic Preseason Invitational 1st 2008 XNote GOMTV Star Invitational 1st 2008 Bacchus OSL .
Yeah, I think you're done
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On December 24 2013 22:41 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. DRG and Curious would probably be the favorite against Maru too; they're among the best ZvT in the world so I don't see how losing them is proof of anything. His second loss against MMA in their bo3 was simply a build order loss. Flash had a bad Dreamhack, yes, but a bad showing happens to everyone; Maru didn't do well at the Season 2 Finals either, while skill-wise he was a championship contender. I'm fairly sure Flash would have made it at least once to the RO8 in Code S had he not systematically be placed into groups of death each time.
Losing to them is´nt proof of anything, I was just posting a conmplete list. And making it to the ro8 once would still be far away from Marus accomplishments, so even if that would have hypothetically happened, it would´nt have fundamentally disproved my general point either.
On December 24 2013 22:44 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:37 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru. Which tournament did Flash win? Hell, could you point me to a premier besides that one MLG (which Maru to my memory did not attend) where Flash made the Ro8 and/or looked like a legit potential winner? Further, what has Flash shown in SC2 to make you think he is more talented than Maru at this game? 1st 2011 ABC Mart MSL 1st 2010 WCG Grand Finals 1st 2010 Korean Air Starleague Season 2 1st 2010 Bigfile MSL 2nd 2010 WCG 2010 Korea Championship 1st 2010 Hana Daetoo Securities MSL 2nd 2010 Korean Air Starleague 2010 2nd 2010 NATE MSL 1st 2010 EVER Starleague 2009 1st 2009 GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic Season 3 2nd 2008 GOMTV TG Sambo-Intel Classic Season 1 1st 2008 TG Sambo/Intel Classic Preseason Invitational 1st 2008 XNote GOMTV Star Invitational 1st 2008 Bacchus OSL He looked like he was going to eventually reach that level in early to mid 2013 (see proleague). Obviously he didn't perform up to expectations in late 2013 and was sidetracked, but is one slump enough to doubt him?
This is a different game. Should I now list Fatal1tys tournament wins to prove, that he is better than Flash at Brood war?
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Someone pick up Hyvaa to bolster your rolster, he's the best sniper and makes people play super safe.
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On December 24 2013 22:46 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:41 Zealously wrote:
Being a fundamentally better player, one would think, should at least have led to comparable performances at any given point in HotS. This hasn't been the case at all, despite Flash having had 9 months and foreign tournaments at his disposal. Besides, at the very beginning of HotS, he was probably the best player in the world next to Life. Remember that silver he got at MLG?
He was better than others in one day. Doesnt make him the best player in the world next to Life
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On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run.
Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha
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On December 24 2013 22:45 opterown wrote:haha that BW history, highly relevant Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:44 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational. i actually don't dislike zealously fyi, we're good mates, just sometimes his fandom can get irritating (although he'll say the same of me lol)
I did´nt want to imply you disliking Zealously at all, sorry if that came over wrong. I was just saying, that your fandom very rarely came to the same conclusion, so if you two agree, it is probably about something rational.
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On December 24 2013 22:52 Ovid wrote:
Someone pick up Hyvaa to bolster your rolster, he's the best sniper and makes people play super safe.
Unfortunately he retired.
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On December 24 2013 22:52 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:45 opterown wrote:haha that BW history, highly relevant On December 24 2013 22:44 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational. i actually don't dislike zealously fyi, we're good mates, just sometimes his fandom can get irritating (although he'll say the same of me lol) I did´nt want to imply you disliking Zealously at all, sorry if that came over wrong. I was just saying, that your fandom very rarely came to the same conclusion, so if you two agree, it is probably about something rational.
eh we probably agree more often than not except st vs. prime haha ;p
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