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They're here!
Also, wow does this formatting not work on mobile devices. A flat list for those users:
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oh no where the hell is Yoda on the IM roster ;;
I can't take another retirement. Not to mention he would be very valuable in SPL ><
Only good news seems to be that we can finally bring on the fantasy teams!
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Canada16217 Posts
players missing from the rosters:
barracks
cacia
motive
penguin
crazy
juni
Bang
Tible
Yoda
AnNyeong
puzzle
First
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TLADT24920 Posts
Samsung with all those zergs lol
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Man, SKT lineup without Bisu. He's always been there since I started watching pro Starcraft. 
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Annuyeong retirement - take 2
clamp
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Sooo hype!!! Insane how different these rosters look now compared to this time last year...
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yoda not being there is actually quite detrimental to their roster D:
fpl plz? :D
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I'm sad to see YoDa go (and Crazy a bit too).
I'm happy someone apparently told the Jin Air player that "Climax" is not a great English name to give yourself. I still like Savage better, but Rogue is okay.
Interesting to see DeParture and SalvatioN on Prime's roster; don't think it was known that those players were on Prime. Though without even AnNyeong, their chances are looking as bleak as ever.
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Australia54784 Posts
good to see byun still rocking on prime, he's been really out of sight lately (other than his stream).
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Canada16217 Posts
that's interesting kop changed to protoss :o
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oh YoDa
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First is missing too.....
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Oh no. One of the few protoss i enjoyed watching!
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Bring on the FPL!!!!! 
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Gotta really love CJ's roster - almost all homegrown talent
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Canada16217 Posts
27 zergs, 32 protoss, 21 terran
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No First or YoDa.. God I hope they haven't retired. TT
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China6328 Posts
On December 23 2013 17:30 DiMano wrote:
First is missing too.....
My guess is they moved to WCS NA or EU so they can't stay in Korea for a full year. Plus regular seasons are BO5s there isn't much need for a huge roster, it's not common that players are not even on the roster at all because they are not needed. PL roster != team roster.
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oh shit, how did I miss First as well D:
he looked like their best rising player. ffs..
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On December 23 2013 17:40 digmouse wrote:My guess is they moved to WCS NA or EU so they can't stay in Korea for a full year. Plus regular seasons are BO5s there isn't much need for a huge roster, it's not common that players are not even on the roster at all because they are not needed. PL roster != team roster.
Certainly possible, but Mvp, NesTea and ByuL all play in WCS EU/NA and they are on the IM SPL roster... I'm not optimistic about First and YoDa still being around. Especially sad about First if true; he had such a great run in WCS S2. Also if they've lost First, signing Trap makes a little more sense.
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On December 23 2013 17:24 opterown wrote:
good to see byun still rocking on prime, he's been really out of sight lately (other than his stream).
He knocked Sniper out of Code A last sea- oh wait, that match wasn't broadcasted because CJ players were more important than a Code S Champion vs. a Code S semifinalist.
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IM's Terran and Zerg lineup don't look very good.
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Ah, it just wouldn't be Proleague without a bunch of random name changes!
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On December 23 2013 17:48 Pandemona wrote:
Also isn't it aka not pka? Or do i not know what pka means 0.O
Previously known as
(Although I concede some of these are reverting to old names rather than switching to new ones, so perhaps aka is more appropriate)
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China6328 Posts
On December 23 2013 17:46 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 17:40 digmouse wrote:On December 23 2013 17:30 DiMano wrote:
First is missing too..... My guess is they moved to WCS NA or EU so they can't stay in Korea for a full year. Plus regular seasons are BO5s there isn't much need for a huge roster, it's not common that players are not even on the roster at all because they are not needed. PL roster != team roster. Certainly possible, but Mvp, NesTea and ByuL all play in WCS EU/NA and they are on the IM SPL roster... I'm not optimistic about First and YoDa still being around. Especially sad about First if true; he had such a great run in WCS S2. Also if they've lost First, signing Trap makes a little more sense.
It's also possible that they moved back to WCS KR, but yeah I have to say the possibility is low. I hope it's just they moved to other teams, or they are just not listed on the roster because they don't need to.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
You Australians trying to re write the English language, ah bless. Won the ashes and now your kicking up a fuss as usual, ah well. Enjoy your time in the sun....
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Damn with the mass amount of protoss and least amount of terrans. This PL wont be as fun as i thought it would. Although at least we get to see zvp's alot. That's what we can hope at least that we won't see PvProleague all the time.
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Puzzle...
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On December 23 2013 17:55 goody153 wrote:
Damn with the mass amount of protoss and least amount of terrans. This PL wont be as fun as i thought it would. Although at least we get to see zvp's alot. That's what we can hope at least that we won't see PvProleague all the time.
It was called PvProleague for a reason last season. ;o
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Prime's list of Exceptional Players
Creator
oh prime. they are gonna have a horrible time
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On December 23 2013 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
You Australians trying to re write the English language, ah bless. Won the ashes and now your kicking up a fuss as usual, ah well. Enjoy your time in the sun....
Didn't just win back the Ashes, mate, knocked a player or two into retirement, and finally got revenge on the humiliation of the passed four years.
I'm really just hopeful that First and YoDa have moved to different regions with Nestea and Mvp moving back to Korea. Losing those two after already losing Losira would be such a blow. :/
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Australia54784 Posts
On December 23 2013 17:49 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 17:24 opterown wrote:
good to see byun still rocking on prime, he's been really out of sight lately (other than his stream). He knocked Sniper out of Code A last sea- oh wait, that match wasn't broadcasted because CJ players were more important than a Code S Champion vs. a Code S semifinalist.
i'm more meaning the fact that he hasn't turned up in person to any event that his teammates have been at. all of prime was there at OSL save byun, etc.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
On December 23 2013 17:58 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
You Australians trying to re write the English language, ah bless. Won the ashes and now your kicking up a fuss as usual, ah well. Enjoy your time in the sun.... Didn't just win back the Ashes, mate, knocked a player or two into retirement, and finally got revenge on the humiliation of the passed four years. I'm really just hopeful that First and YoDa have moved to different regions with Nestea and Mvp moving back to Korea. Losing those two after already losing Losira would be such a blow. :/
Yeah you knocked our really good players into retirement...oh wait 
Can you knock Cook into retirement then we might have a nice squad going into the future ashes xD
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On December 23 2013 17:57 goody153 wrote:
Prime's list of Exceptional Players
Creator
oh prime. they are gonna have a horrible time
Hey! Now dont be liket that. They still have Byun and that man is an awesome human being in every conceivable way.
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I'm happy to see Barbie is on the roster :D Also IM has the right race distribution lol. Mvp the terran hope <3
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On December 23 2013 18:06 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 17:58 LimitSEA wrote:On December 23 2013 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
You Australians trying to re write the English language, ah bless. Won the ashes and now your kicking up a fuss as usual, ah well. Enjoy your time in the sun.... Didn't just win back the Ashes, mate, knocked a player or two into retirement, and finally got revenge on the humiliation of the passed four years. I'm really just hopeful that First and YoDa have moved to different regions with Nestea and Mvp moving back to Korea. Losing those two after already losing Losira would be such a blow. :/ Yeah you knocked our really good players into retirement...oh wait Can you knock Cook into retirement then we might have a nice squad going into the future ashes xD
I reckon you'll be better off if we knock Cook off his captaincy. Great player, captaincy doesn't seem to agree with him.
And pshhhht, all our good players were getting old anyway. xD
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No First or YoDa? That makes me really sad, I wonder why.
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On December 23 2013 17:30 DiMano wrote:
First is missing too.....
Secret info: I played against First on ladder in Europe, and Yoda was laddering too. WCS EU confirmed?
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On December 23 2013 18:15 ZAiNs wrote:Secret info: I played against First on ladder in Europe, and Yoda was laddering too. WCS EU confirmed?
I hope you're being for realsies and not a jerk.
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On December 23 2013 18:19 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 18:15 ZAiNs wrote:On December 23 2013 17:30 DiMano wrote:
First is missing too..... Secret info: I played against First on ladder in Europe, and Yoda was laddering too. WCS EU confirmed? I hope you're being for realsies and not a jerk.
I'm serious.
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jin air looking aite, hope maru can get it done for them
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Australia54784 Posts
if first and yoda are moving to europe, not sure how wise that is, i think IM would really like both of them.
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On December 23 2013 18:21 opterown wrote:
if first and yoda are moving to europe, not sure how wise that is, i think IM would really like both of them.
yeah they are the powerhouse of IM .. losing them is pretty bad .. especially Yoda .. i liked that guy
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WHERE IS FIRST AND YODA?
fuck
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F*ck, IM's roster doesn't look too comforting, First missing and especially Yoda is really going to hurt
The Protoss line-up is excellent of course, but Yoda would have been integral for IM's success. Now it all rests on Byul for non-P maps.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
On December 23 2013 18:21 opterown wrote:
if first and yoda are moving to europe, not sure how wise that is, i think IM would really like both of them.
Which was the team who said they are going to be announcing some major new signings in 2013.......oh wait it was XMG. ^_^
XMG First & XMG YoDa?
On December 23 2013 18:13 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 18:06 Pandemona wrote:On December 23 2013 17:58 LimitSEA wrote:On December 23 2013 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
You Australians trying to re write the English language, ah bless. Won the ashes and now your kicking up a fuss as usual, ah well. Enjoy your time in the sun.... Didn't just win back the Ashes, mate, knocked a player or two into retirement, and finally got revenge on the humiliation of the passed four years. I'm really just hopeful that First and YoDa have moved to different regions with Nestea and Mvp moving back to Korea. Losing those two after already losing Losira would be such a blow. :/ Yeah you knocked our really good players into retirement...oh wait Can you knock Cook into retirement then we might have a nice squad going into the future ashes xD I reckon you'll be better off if we knock Cook off his captaincy. Great player, captaincy doesn't seem to agree with him. And pshhhht, all our good players were getting old anyway. xD
Yeah he is a rather boring captain too, unimaginative fields etcetc. Only issue would be who gets it instead, i guess the only guy to give it to after Cook imo would be Prior but he might not have long left either xD
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really excited to see some play from Sorry and FanTasY
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Noooo YoDa T___T
I hope Flash has done some special-secret-imba-forestmonk-energy-training to rock this PL as hard as possible!
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IM finally joins SPL, but loses Yoda, First, and Losira
how bittersweet
pray for MVTea revival!
On December 23 2013 18:40 Arceus wrote:
suddenly IM roster look kinda thin with that terran/zerg lineups. I'd rather put them in bottom three
Naw, I think they're still better than Prime, Samsung, and KT at least
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suddenly IM roster look kinda thin with that terran/zerg lineups. I'd rather put them in bottom three
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So Savage -> CliMax -> Rogue.
Atleast something
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Since when is Salvation on Prime? never heard that before
and nice, Kal is there since a month or so, and he is the captain already^^
but it looks good other than that...
wait...Barbie is the only female player in all those rosters, right?
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On December 23 2013 18:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:IM finally joins SPL, but loses Yoda, First, and Losira how bittersweet pray for MVTea revival! Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 18:40 Arceus wrote:
suddenly IM roster look kinda thin with that terran/zerg lineups. I'd rather put them in bottom three Naw, I think they're still better than Prime, Samsung, and KT at least
Only as good as the two latters imo.
KT trio of Flash/BaBy/Wookie are proven scorers. Samsung, they got RorO/Shine/Solar/Reality who could post like 60% winrate and 4 tosses to figure out a formula.
A lot of things are up in the air but at least IM doesnt look stable in my books with two shaky lines. Even with lotta good tosses, theres no guarantee in mirror MU which is kind of a given in PvProleague
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IM should just play their protosses every match with the occasional Mvp appearance.
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Russian Federation367 Posts
If Im right there were a news about yoda and first retire in a near future, back in days when happy retired
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Yeah, I wish there had been some kind of announcement for Salvation's move from Startale to Prime :/
And BANG! Where are you?! Favorite MVP player along with Dream ;;
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OMG this looks so good...
HMM...who to root for this time...with no EG-TL in PL my heart is...
Good god, SKT1, you say? A stacked roster, you say? A holy shit, wow! factor, you say? But good god MVP has DRG ;_;.
And KT has...O__O. Cannot help the fanboyism.
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On December 23 2013 19:13 TommyP wrote:
IM should just play their protosses every match with the occasional Mvp appearance.
Isn't there a rule that each race has to play in a match?
Btw, bring on FANTASY PRO LEAGUE. I want to fail miserably.
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On December 23 2013 18:50 Pyloss wrote:
Since when is Salvation on Prime? never heard that before
and nice, Kal is there since a month or so, and he is the captain already^^
but it looks good other than that...
wait...Barbie is the only female player in all those rosters, right?
I think, it is reasonable to make him the captain, if the team agrees on that, he is the most experienced player on prime after all and they needed a new one, since MKP retired.
So, with First and Yoda missing in the roster and moving to Europe ,does that confirm Nestea, Mvp and Byul to move back? Iwth the new qualification process that would make sence for the old gods, but Byul was a WCS NA finalist lat season, I´m not sure, why he would gice up his seed.
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On December 23 2013 18:06 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 17:58 LimitSEA wrote:On December 23 2013 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
You Australians trying to re write the English language, ah bless. Won the ashes and now your kicking up a fuss as usual, ah well. Enjoy your time in the sun.... Didn't just win back the Ashes, mate, knocked a player or two into retirement, and finally got revenge on the humiliation of the passed four years. I'm really just hopeful that First and YoDa have moved to different regions with Nestea and Mvp moving back to Korea. Losing those two after already losing Losira would be such a blow. :/ Yeah you knocked our really good players into retirement...oh wait Can you knock Cook into retirement then we might have a nice squad going into the future ashes xD
Bit harsh there on Swanny I reckon. He is/was a superb spin bowler. Got punished pretty severely in the last three tests, but wasn't necessarily terrible even so.
EDIT: Oh yeah, what I actually came here for:
Our Protoss lineup is looking incredible (which bodes well for PvProleague) and our Zerg lineup is more than solid with the masterful Soulkey and underrated SoO, but our Terran lineup looks wafer thin. Fantasy's progress stalled disappointingly after earlier looking like he'd finally live up to his promise and after that there's nobody who has proven themselves. Hopefully Oov can bring out the warrior we all know is buried deep within Fanta, if so, this could be a great season.
Pretty pumped for this. Aussies smashing the Poms in the cricket, Liverpool top of the league and T1 have got to be red-hot favourites for the win in Proleague.
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On December 23 2013 19:15 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 19:13 TommyP wrote:
IM should just play their protosses every match with the occasional Mvp appearance. Isn't there a rule that each race has to play in a match?
oh yeah :/
I think its SKT T1's season to lose.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I do not feel confident in this IM roster
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On December 23 2013 19:13 LuckyGnomTV wrote:
If Im right there were a news about yoda and first retire in a near future, back in days when happy retired
Unless you have sources that were never on TL, I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
Besides, Happy retired in a very unceremonious manner before HotS (Or at least WCS S1), and First and YoDa have been playing this entire year already. ;o Even if this means they retired, it's hardly a near future haha.
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On December 23 2013 19:15 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 19:13 TommyP wrote:
IM should just play their protosses every match with the occasional Mvp appearance. Isn't there a rule that each race has to play in a match? Btw, bring on FANTASY PRO LEAGUE. I want to fail miserably.
That's awful... Feeling very let down by Proleague now.
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Damn that's an unimpressive prime roster haha
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Who are some free agents teams might be looking to pick up?
Supernova, the guys EG dropped.....I wonder if any of these 8 teams will try and poach players from GSTL teams now that GSTL will probably die.
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Damn, sad time to be a Terran fan
I can't wait to try my first FPL though!
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On December 23 2013 19:27 TommyP wrote:
Who are some free agents teams might be looking to pick up?
Supernova, the guys EG dropped.....I wonder if any of these 8 teams will try and poach players from GSTL teams now that GSTL will probably die.
I think, if they pick someone up now, there is quite a delay, until they could use him. The same was the case last year, when SKT picked up PartinG and he was banned until round 4 or something like that.
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Belgica34432 Posts
Seeing the Prime roster gives me so much joy
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Do we know if the missing players are on the bench ?
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JinAir has a small but deadly roster, I like it. Prime on the other hand has a big lineup full of b-teamers. ~_~
Rogue aka Climax aka Savage aka Ryul2 needs to stop changing his name.
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On December 23 2013 19:47 FFW_Rude wrote:
Do we know if the missing players are on the bench ?
Only registered players can be on the bench.
So all players who are missing just won't turn up for PL
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On December 23 2013 19:49 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 19:47 FFW_Rude wrote:
Do we know if the missing players are on the bench ? Only registered players can be on the bench. So all players who are missing just won't turn up for PL
Won't turn up for Round1 ? Or at all ?
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Really wanted Maru on SGK
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On December 23 2013 19:50 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 19:49 sharkie wrote:On December 23 2013 19:47 FFW_Rude wrote:
Do we know if the missing players are on the bench ? Only registered players can be on the bench. So all players who are missing just won't turn up for PL Won't turn up for Round1 ? Or at all ?
If this season is like last season, rosters can update in between rounds.
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On December 23 2013 19:56 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 19:50 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 19:49 sharkie wrote:On December 23 2013 19:47 FFW_Rude wrote:
Do we know if the missing players are on the bench ? Only registered players can be on the bench. So all players who are missing just won't turn up for PL Won't turn up for Round1 ? Or at all ? If this season is like last season, rosters can update in between rounds.
It has always been like that (that i remember) so i have faith we'll see the missing player in PL.
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I forgot that Crazy-Hydra retired.
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Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
On December 23 2013 20:01 GolemMadness wrote:I forgot that Crazy-Hydra retired.
Source?
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Maybe he mixed up with CrazyMoving? But still, Crazy's last game on Aligulac was in July D:
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On December 23 2013 19:19 althaz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 18:06 Pandemona wrote:On December 23 2013 17:58 LimitSEA wrote:On December 23 2013 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
You Australians trying to re write the English language, ah bless. Won the ashes and now your kicking up a fuss as usual, ah well. Enjoy your time in the sun.... Didn't just win back the Ashes, mate, knocked a player or two into retirement, and finally got revenge on the humiliation of the passed four years. I'm really just hopeful that First and YoDa have moved to different regions with Nestea and Mvp moving back to Korea. Losing those two after already losing Losira would be such a blow. :/ Yeah you knocked our really good players into retirement...oh wait Can you knock Cook into retirement then we might have a nice squad going into the future ashes xD Bit harsh there on Swanny I reckon. He is/was a superb spin bowler. Got punished pretty severely in the last three tests, but wasn't necessarily terrible even so. EDIT: Oh yeah, what I actually came here for: Our Protoss lineup is looking incredible (which bodes well for PvProleague) and our Zerg lineup is more than solid with the masterful Soulkey and underrated SoO, but our Terran lineup looks wafer thin. Fantasy's progress stalled disappointingly after earlier looking like he'd finally live up to his promise and after that there's nobody who has proven themselves. Hopefully Oov can bring out the warrior we all know is buried deep within Fanta, if so, this could be a great season. Pretty pumped for this. Aussies smashing the Poms in the cricket, Liverpool top of the league and T1 have got to be red-hot favourites for the win in Proleague.
in order for fantasy to dominate as he was. Oov needs to unlock a skill on fantasy to not let 2k minerals float all the time
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On December 23 2013 20:19 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 20:01 GolemMadness wrote:I forgot that Crazy-Hydra retired. Source?
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought he had a few months ago.
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Bisutopia19225 Posts
Lol, remember when motive was the only one who could win in sc2. Now he's benched. SKT terrain is pretty weak. IM spamming protoss. Lots of hilariousness here.
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savage?? climax ?? T.T that guy had some great matches to qualify with a seed for wcs season 2 and then it has been impossible to find much with him winning.
Dark is a zerg to keep an eye on for me.
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Either way dark plays like a champ and has likely gained a fan
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Yeah, Lizzy #1 KT 4ever
Ryul2 was the one who along with Bang and sC fought their way into the Up and Downs through a brutal last-chance tournament. I remember he and Bang showed some great play there.
Also glad to see Dark have some real success since he seems to have struggled since his days on Slayers.
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Australia54784 Posts
BO5 makes the FPL strategy a bit less complex, it's sad. ah well, games should still be good!
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Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players.
Never followed BW.
New names to discover
Any recommendations on who to watch out for?
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I though Salvation retired? If thats the same Salavtion that was on NSHS
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On December 23 2013 21:08 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I though Salvation retired? If thats the same Salavtion that was on NSHS
He transferred to Startale when NSH disbanded and I guess now to Prime.
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Hope Yoda and First will be send to individual events. Kind of the only thing I was looking forward in SPL.
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On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for?
To be fair, even BW fans wouldn't recognize half these players due to the sheer number of B- teamers who have risen up to make a name for themselves in SC2, replacing many better - known BW players who have retired.
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On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for?
There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team):
Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players.
Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins.
Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.)
If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past.
Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good.
IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth.
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Flash is not captain of kt ? :o
Lineups looking good, i'm curious to see the newbies such as  UngNim, KassiA, Remember....
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On December 23 2013 21:35 shid0x wrote:Flash is not captain of kt ? :o Lineups looking good, i'm curious to see the newbies such as UngNim, KassiA, Remember....
Wasn't Hoejja a player-coach kind of guy for KT? And it is true that he's older than Flash, possibly the oldest player on KT.
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Look @ SKT T1 Lineup. it feels like R08 tournament or something....
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United States97276 Posts
Wow I hope YoDa and First didn't retire
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On December 23 2013 21:53 Shellshock wrote:
Wow I hope YoDa and First didn't retire
Nop, they are switching to WCS EU.
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On December 23 2013 21:40 slowbacontron wrote:Wasn't Hoejja a player-coach kind of guy for KT? And it is true that he's older than Flash, possibly the oldest player on KT.
HoeJJa is KT's Hyuk equivalent. Only now Hyuk's a pure coach.
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Not enough terran.
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On December 23 2013 22:11 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 21:40 slowbacontron wrote:On December 23 2013 21:35 shid0x wrote:Flash is not captain of kt ? :o Lineups looking good, i'm curious to see the newbies such as UngNim, KassiA, Remember.... Wasn't Hoejja a player-coach kind of guy for KT? And it is true that he's older than Flash, possibly the oldest player on KT. HoeJJa is KT's Hyuk equivalent. Only now Hyuk's a pure coach.
So, would it make sense for him to be the captain of KT? :o
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On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran.
There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ?
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United States97276 Posts
On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ?
Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season
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On December 23 2013 21:08 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I though Salvation retired? If thats the same Salavtion that was on NSHS
Yes he retired, now he is back and plays on Prime.
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On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ?
Well, there is no MMA, Taeja, Innovation, Bomber. Besides Flash there is only Maru. For what other race are four from the best six or seven players missing?
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On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season
meh, notify me when jjakji joins
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On December 23 2013 22:27 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 21:08 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I though Salvation retired? If thats the same Salavtion that was on NSHS Yes he retired, now he is back and plays on Prime.
Salvation joined Startale after NSHS tho. I don't think he ever really retired but switched to Prime and people thought he retired.
If he did "retire" it was for like a month and I think that's just taking a break...
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Nice balanced line up for KT ! Flash and his minions will march to victory !
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On December 23 2013 22:31 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season meh, notify me when jjakji joins
I meant best as relating to skill
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On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season
I know. I just said it.
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On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it.
oh wow this is awkward... It's never good to be delusional
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On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it.
haha this guy
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On December 23 2013 22:36 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:27 DiMano wrote:On December 23 2013 21:08 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I though Salvation retired? If thats the same Salavtion that was on NSHS Yes he retired, now he is back and plays on Prime. Salvation joined Startale after NSHS tho. I don't think he ever really retired but switched to Prime and people thought he retired. If he did "retire" it was for like a month and I think that's just taking a break...
http://e-sf.co.kr/sub/sub02_01.php?boardid=notice&mode=view&idx=80&sk=&sw=&offset=&category=
translate the word there and we can know what it was
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Sure he retired for a month (a whole month ya'll, what a retirement!) and now joined Prime.
Google translate says "Cancellation of registration" for the translation. Take it how you want, to me it sounds like he just left ST/eSF.
Note: I do know how shitty google translate can be hahaha
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On December 23 2013 22:48 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. oh wow this is awkward... It's never good to be delusional
On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy
Welp. Poll time.
Poll: #1 Terran?Maru (34) 49% Flash (25) 36% Other (10) 14% 69 total votes Your vote: #1 Terran? (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Other
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On December 23 2013 22:55 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:48 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. oh wow this is awkward... It's never good to be delusional Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy Welp. Poll time. Poll: #1 Terran?Maru (34) 49% Flash (25) 36% Other (10) 14% 69 total votes Your vote: #1 Terran? (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Other
No seeker ! You can't do that to me !
We'll see... we WILL see. I have faith !
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On December 23 2013 22:45 RouaF wrote:
So, FPL or not FPL ?
There will be just give some time for them to rate the players.
I just realized i won't be able to put innovation captain and get all those free points now ;;;
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On December 23 2013 22:55 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:48 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. oh wow this is awkward... It's never good to be delusional Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy Welp. Poll time. Poll: #1 Terran?Maru (34) 49% Flash (25) 36% Other (10) 14% 69 total votes Your vote: #1 Terran? (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Other
so we are going to learn that Flash is more popular than Maru?
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On December 23 2013 22:57 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:55 Seeker wrote:On December 23 2013 22:48 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. oh wow this is awkward... It's never good to be delusional On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy Welp. Poll time. Poll: #1 Terran?Maru (34) 49% Flash (25) 36% Other (10) 14% 69 total votes Your vote: #1 Terran? (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Other
so we are going to learn that Flash is more popular than Maru?
Don't be delusional...
+ Show Spoiler +I'm kiding Shellschok
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On December 23 2013 23:01 opterown wrote:
clearly MMA is #1 terran
Salvation #1. Go prime!
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On December 23 2013 23:01 opterown wrote:
clearly MMA is #1 terran
So we have Maru, MMA and Flash. Where's Wintex ?
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I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp
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On December 23 2013 23:03 opterown wrote:
I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp
MVP ? Did he drop Bomber ? I forgot who was the #1 MVP fanboy here.
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On December 23 2013 23:02 Shellshock wrote:Salvation #1. Go prime!
Go NSH!
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On December 23 2013 22:59 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:57 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:55 Seeker wrote:On December 23 2013 22:48 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. oh wow this is awkward... It's never good to be delusional On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy Welp. Poll time. Poll: #1 Terran?Maru (34) 49% Flash (25) 36% Other (10) 14% 69 total votes Your vote: #1 Terran? (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Other
so we are going to learn that Flash is more popular than Maru? Don't be delusional... + Show Spoiler +I'm kiding Shellschok
My feelings got wrecked harder than flash did vs maru 
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On December 23 2013 23:05 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:59 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:57 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:55 Seeker wrote:On December 23 2013 22:48 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. oh wow this is awkward... It's never good to be delusional On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy Welp. Poll time. Poll: #1 Terran?Maru (34) 49% Flash (25) 36% Other (10) 14% 69 total votes Your vote: #1 Terran? (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Other
so we are going to learn that Flash is more popular than Maru? Don't be delusional... + Show Spoiler +I'm kiding Shellschok My feelings got wrecked harder than flash did vs maru
Now you're just mean :p
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On December 23 2013 23:04 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 23:03 opterown wrote:
I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp MVP ? Did he drop Bomber ? I forgot who was the #1 MVP fanboy here.
i think that would be Zealously
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On December 23 2013 23:06 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 23:04 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:03 opterown wrote:
I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp MVP ? Did he drop Bomber ? I forgot who was the #1 MVP fanboy here. i think that would be Zealously
I thought he was #1 Roro fanboy
EDIT : i should not have aligulac'd Maru vs Flash
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On December 23 2013 23:08 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 23:06 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 23:04 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:03 opterown wrote:
I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp MVP ? Did he drop Bomber ? I forgot who was the #1 MVP fanboy here. i think that would be Zealously I thought he was #1 Roro fanboy EDIT : i should not have aligulac'd Maru vs Flash
If I remember right the games were actually fairly good but the one on frost was pretty heartbreaking for flash fans
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On December 23 2013 23:20 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 23:08 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:06 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 23:04 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:03 opterown wrote:
I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp MVP ? Did he drop Bomber ? I forgot who was the #1 MVP fanboy here. i think that would be Zealously I thought he was #1 Roro fanboy EDIT : i should not have aligulac'd Maru vs Flash If I remember right the games were actually fairly good but the one on frost was pretty heartbreaking for flash fans
I know i've seen it but i was probably so upset to remember it. I think some guys where pretty good. Ended in 3-2 ? or 2-1 ? I don't remember
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On December 23 2013 23:22 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 23:20 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 23:08 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:06 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 23:04 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:03 opterown wrote:
I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp MVP ? Did he drop Bomber ? I forgot who was the #1 MVP fanboy here. i think that would be Zealously I thought he was #1 Roro fanboy EDIT : i should not have aligulac'd Maru vs Flash If I remember right the games were actually fairly good but the one on frost was pretty heartbreaking for flash fans I know i've seen it but i was probably so upset to remember it. I think some guys where pretty good. Ended in 3-2 ? or 2-1 ? I don't remember
2-1 with 3rd game where Flash scouted proxy 1 or 2 rax (do not remember exactly) and then failing to counter it with his own 1 base very awful allin.
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On December 23 2013 23:23 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 23:22 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:20 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 23:08 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:06 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 23:04 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:03 opterown wrote:
I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp MVP ? Did he drop Bomber ? I forgot who was the #1 MVP fanboy here. i think that would be Zealously I thought he was #1 Roro fanboy EDIT : i should not have aligulac'd Maru vs Flash If I remember right the games were actually fairly good but the one on frost was pretty heartbreaking for flash fans I know i've seen it but i was probably so upset to remember it. I think some guys where pretty good. Ended in 3-2 ? or 2-1 ? I don't remember 2-1 with 3rd game where Flash scouted proxy 1 or 2 rax (do not remember exactly) and then failing to counter it with his own 1 base very awful allin.
Oh yeah.... I remember that game. IT was a won game... It was like Flash didn't even try Seeing flash supply block at many times is so weird... Flash was BL and Maru TL ?
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On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy
I don't get it, I thought it was confirmed that Taeja would not participate?
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On December 23 2013 23:29 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy I don't get it, I thought it was confirmed that Taeja would not participate?
You sir are funnier than Shellshock !
+ Show Spoiler +
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Wait, Kal is the captain of Prime?
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I'm missing Crazy-Hydra, Lizzie, BarrackS and Puzzle on the KT list T_T
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On December 23 2013 23:29 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy I don't get it, I thought it was confirmed that Taeja would not participate?
TaeJa would not be the best Terran in Proleague format. Preparing stuff doesn't seem to be his thing.
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On December 23 2013 23:49 lolmlg wrote:
Wait, Kal is the captain of Prime?
Guess so. I remember reading that a lot if the time it goes to the oldest player on Korean teams
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Too many Protoss, too few Terrans.
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Hoping the proleague can settle the question whether PvT favors Protoss instead of Terran.
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On December 23 2013 23:59 robertpires87 wrote:
Hoping the proleague can settle the question whether PvT favors Protoss instead of Terran.
...lol
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On December 23 2013 23:59 robertpires87 wrote:
Hoping the proleague can settle the question whether PvT favors Protoss instead of Terran.
Proleague is not about balance.
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On December 23 2013 23:06 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 23:04 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 23:03 opterown wrote:
I think he's too busy fanboying about Mvp MVP ? Did he drop Bomber ? I forgot who was the #1 MVP fanboy here. i think that would be Zealously
thought he's all about startale?
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On December 23 2013 17:37 LimitSEA wrote:
No First or YoDa.. God I hope they haven't retired. TT
Thats the two I noticed the most
Kinda surprised but happy to see NesTea on the roster - over 3 years later and he n Mvp are still here repping IM :D
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these may not be retirements, players may have commitments we're unaware of and some of those names are B-teamers who might just be practice partner material that the coaches don't think are ready yet
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On December 24 2013 00:06 LongShot27 wrote:
these may not be retirements, players may have commitments we're unaware of and some of those names are B-teamers who might just be practice partner material that the coaches don't think are ready yet
Even last season the practice partner B-teamers were on the rosters and occasionally sent out. But maybe with this season being Bo5s ( D: ) teams don't feel the need to have such extensive lineups anymore.
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I'm also exciting of what silly/dumb/stupid and equally funny map they'll throw in there.
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SKT1 and CJ are looking strong.
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So... more PvProleague? Seems like most teams are, once again, heavily favouring protoss lineups.
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On December 24 2013 00:11 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:06 LongShot27 wrote:
these may not be retirements, players may have commitments we're unaware of and some of those names are B-teamers who might just be practice partner material that the coaches don't think are ready yet Even last season the practice partner B-teamers were on the rosters and occasionally sent out. But maybe with this season being Bo5s ( D: ) teams don't feel the need to have such extensive lineups anymore.
Yeah I mean are you really gonna use barracks, cacia, motive, penguin, crazy, juni,Bang, or Tible in a Bo5? I highly highly doubt that
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Without the rule for a player of every race per matches, proleague this season would have been 80% of PvP at the minimum. :/
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Will the guys not listed retire?
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Puzzle ? where is Puzzle
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To all the prime non-believers! Expect miracles from Jila! Mark my words!
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nice namechange to armani
just need ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) Givenchy and ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png) Dior to round out the fashion username trifecta
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CoCa has a lot of Protoss to kill this PL.
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On December 24 2013 00:18 Noocta wrote:
Without the rule for a player of every race per matches, proleague this season would have been 80% of PvP at the minimum. :/
kind of a bold assumption.
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On December 23 2013 21:29 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for? There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team): Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players. Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins. Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.) If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past. Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good. IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth.
Wow thanks for this.You have truly informed me.
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On December 24 2013 00:24 never_Nal wrote:Puzzle ? where is Puzzle
I remember some b-teamers like motive being spotted in the WCS AM qualifiers before, maybe puzzle wanted to join them.
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On December 24 2013 00:16 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:11 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:06 LongShot27 wrote:
these may not be retirements, players may have commitments we're unaware of and some of those names are B-teamers who might just be practice partner material that the coaches don't think are ready yet Even last season the practice partner B-teamers were on the rosters and occasionally sent out. But maybe with this season being Bo5s ( D: ) teams don't feel the need to have such extensive lineups anymore. Yeah I mean are you really gonna use barracks, cacia, motive, penguin, crazy, juni,Bang, or Tible in a Bo5? I highly highly doubt that
I wouldn't be so opposed to playing Bang, personally. Even Tible if MVP feels confident. But in general there's just no room to develop rookies' experience like you would see in Bo9 matches.
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Why is there a 'c' near some players names?
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On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names?
Captain
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On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names?
Captain
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On December 24 2013 00:18 Noocta wrote:
Without the rule for a player of every race per matches, proleague this season would have been 80% of PvP at the minimum. :/
80% is a bit too high, because regardless of meta/balance there are some Z/T players that are going to be fielded 100% of the time, but yeah it's definitely gonna be completely Protoss dominated
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On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names?
It stands for Captain
EDIT : Seeker too fast
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On December 24 2013 00:29 sparklyresidue wrote:
CoCa has a lot of Protoss to kill this PL.
unfortunately he isn't even remotely as strong as he was in this matchup
And IM looks surprisingly weak tbh. On the other side most rosters do :-/
I'd love to see some other teams to just support specific teams in Proleague. Especially StarTale and Axiom-Acer ofc.
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On December 24 2013 00:35 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:29 sparklyresidue wrote:
CoCa has a lot of Protoss to kill this PL. unfortunately he isn't even remotely as strong as he was in this matchup And IM looks surprisingly weak tbh. On the other side most rosters do :-/ I'd love to see some other teams to just support specific teams in Proleague. Especially StarTale and Axiom-Acer ofc.
Yeah, well it's pretty hard to maintain ONE HUNDRED PERCENT forever.
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PVProleague is gonna be intense, really interested to see how Prime is gonna do.
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juni
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On December 24 2013 00:29 Liman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 21:29 slowbacontron wrote:On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for? There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team): Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players. Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins. Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.) If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past. Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good. IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth. Wow thanks for this.You have truly informed me.
My pleasure! Please forgive me if my predictions turn out badly, because Proleague results can be dang hard to get right
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On December 24 2013 00:39 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:29 Liman wrote:On December 23 2013 21:29 slowbacontron wrote:On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for? There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team): Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players. Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins. Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.) If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past. Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good. IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth. Wow thanks for this.You have truly informed me. My pleasure! Please forgive me if my predictions turn out badly, because Proleague results can be dang hard to get right
It's true You have a 100% predictable match up with players when you know someone is going to win this fairly easy... And suddenly ! Arkanoid :p
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Puzzle first and yoda, please be safe
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race distribution
P (32) = 40%
T (21) = 26,25%
Z (27) = 33,75%
pretty much like on any ladder right now
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excited seeing barbie in that prime line up. maybe they will field her and she gets so nervous she does a 4 gate. oh the tears will be glorious!
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On December 23 2013 17:57 goody153 wrote:
Prime's list of Exceptional Players
Creator
oh prime. they are gonna have a horrible time
something something Kal
am I doing this right
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On December 24 2013 00:46 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:39 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:29 Liman wrote:On December 23 2013 21:29 slowbacontron wrote:On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for? There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team): Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players. Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins. Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.) If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past. Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good. IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth. Wow thanks for this.You have truly informed me. My pleasure! Please forgive me if my predictions turn out badly, because Proleague results can be dang hard to get right It's true You have a 100% predictable match up with players when you know someone is going to win this fairly easy... And suddenly ! Arkanoid :p
One of the most memorable for me: http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Turn
Innovation&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=Search
XD
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PVProleague..haha.
HerO REPRESENT!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast
lookfirewood even faster
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On December 24 2013 00:57 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:39 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:29 Liman wrote:On December 23 2013 21:29 slowbacontron wrote:On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for? There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team): Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players. Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins. Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.) If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past. Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good. IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth. Wow thanks for this.You have truly informed me. My pleasure! Please forgive me if my predictions turn out badly, because Proleague results can be dang hard to get right It's true You have a 100% predictable match up with players when you know someone is going to win this fairly easy... And suddenly ! Arkanoid :p One of the most memorable for me: http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Turn
Innovation&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=SearchXD
I watched so many PL games and i have like no memory don't remember this one. A good Arkanoid game was the fantasy comeback in like... Round2 ?
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On December 24 2013 00:59 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast lookfirewood even faster
Are we that noob ?
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Ugh, so many Protosses >_>
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:59 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast lookfirewood even faster Are we that noob ?
Goddamnit guys get it together
On December 24 2013 00:55 VisonKai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 17:57 goody153 wrote:
Prime's list of Exceptional Players
Creator
oh prime. they are gonna have a horrible time something something Kal am I doing this right
Byunjwa pls
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Hope for Flash Fantasy TY ByuN and bunny to do well
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I think Prime and the Green Wings have the most interesting lineups.
Looking forward to how they both end up doing.
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Wish MMA and Inno played in pl
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Any news on whether the 'one of each races in every match' rule will be enforced also this season?
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:59 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast lookfirewood even faster Are we that noob ?
we? Don't group me together with you scrub.
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On December 24 2013 01:15 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:59 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast lookfirewood even faster Are we that noob ? we? Don't group me together with you scrub.
Oh yeah i forgot you were a SKT fan :p
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
On December 24 2013 01:20 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 01:15 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:59 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast lookfirewood even faster Are we that noob ? we? Don't group me together with you scrub. Oh yeah i forgot you were a SKT fan :p
lol. This and that are totally different. I'm just an all around more of a superior person than you are.
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Wow. YoDa and Puzzle missing. =( Was excited to see Puzzle again. And YoDa is always good.
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On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:57 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:39 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:29 Liman wrote:On December 23 2013 21:29 slowbacontron wrote:On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for? There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team): Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players. Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins. Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.) If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past. Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good. IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth. Wow thanks for this.You have truly informed me. My pleasure! Please forgive me if my predictions turn out badly, because Proleague results can be dang hard to get right It's true You have a 100% predictable match up with players when you know someone is going to win this fairly easy... And suddenly ! Arkanoid :p One of the most memorable for me: http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Turn
Innovation&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=SearchXD I watched so many PL games and i have like no memory don't remember this one. A good Arkanoid game was the fantasy comeback in like... Round2 ?
I just meant memorable in terms of how surprising the result was as for a Fantasy game, his widow mines vs BCs definitely won't be forgotten :D
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On December 24 2013 01:23 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 01:20 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 01:15 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:59 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast lookfirewood even faster Are we that noob ? we? Don't group me together with you scrub. Oh yeah i forgot you were a SKT fan :p lol. This and that are totally different. I'm just an all around more of a superior person than you are. + Show Spoiler +
All that appreciation for your translation work is getting to your head, man.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
On December 24 2013 01:36 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 01:23 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 01:20 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 01:15 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:59 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast lookfirewood even faster Are we that noob ? we? Don't group me together with you scrub. Oh yeah i forgot you were a SKT fan :p lol. This and that are totally different. I'm just an all around more of a superior person than you are. + Show Spoiler + All that appreciation for your translation work is getting to your head, man. + Show Spoiler +
SKT best KT vs KT best KT. Looking forward to 2014 SPL
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On December 24 2013 01:26 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:57 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:39 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:29 Liman wrote:On December 23 2013 21:29 slowbacontron wrote:On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for? There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team): Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players. Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins. Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.) If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past. Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good. IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth. Wow thanks for this.You have truly informed me. My pleasure! Please forgive me if my predictions turn out badly, because Proleague results can be dang hard to get right It's true You have a 100% predictable match up with players when you know someone is going to win this fairly easy... And suddenly ! Arkanoid :p One of the most memorable for me: http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Turn
Innovation&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=SearchXD I watched so many PL games and i have like no memory don't remember this one. A good Arkanoid game was the fantasy comeback in like... Round2 ? I just meant memorable in terms of how surprising the result was as for a Fantasy game, his widow mines vs BCs definitely won't be forgotten :D
dat game of fantasy v flash on Akilon might be the 2nd best PL'13 game for me, only behind Bisu v Shine on Belshir
theres another FvF where fanta actually beat BC with mines, cant remember the map though
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On December 24 2013 01:44 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 01:26 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:57 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:39 slowbacontron wrote:On December 24 2013 00:29 Liman wrote:On December 23 2013 21:29 slowbacontron wrote:On December 23 2013 21:02 Liman wrote:Oh my i just realized i dont know half of these players. Never followed BW. New names to discover Any recommendations on who to watch out for? There are just too many :o To name just a few (sorted by team): Zest and Stats are proven to be beasts from last season (and Stats from BW), Myungsik did well in an IEM qualifier, TY is the well-known Baby and pretty good. Hitman was one of Mr. Bitter's favorite players. Trend, emotion, Solar, and Burning all play a lot in online cups like ZOTAC, go4sc2, etc., and are quite good. Reality and Roro are probably the best performers from last season. Turn and Kop weren't heavy hitters, but did get some surprisingly strong wins. Classic is the favorite of many of us, since he was mediocre as Terran and then switched to Protoss and proceeded to annihilate the competition, including PvP master Rain. Bravo had a really good record last season on Woongjin Stars, but didn't get sent out much As for SKT zergs, be careful with those, haha. They went on surprisingly strong, albeit short, streaks last season, though. (Parting, Rain, and Soulkey should be obvious favorites.) If you don't know about the CJ players, just know that they have acquired the one of the greatest coaches in SC history. They pretty much all have the potential to become beasts. herO, Sora, Bbyong, Bunny, Effort, and Hydra have all proven success in one way or another in the past. Jin Air GW has some powerhouses. sOs and Maru most obviously, while Cure, Rogue, and Coca have also shown strong performances in the past though less consistently. Pigbaby has a hilarious name and is also pretty good. IM, MVP, and PRIME should all be rather familiar to you. If you don't know Trap, he's dang good. UngNim is an up and comer. Jila (Kal) is a BW legend but we haven't seen much recent SC2 from him at all. MVP doesn't have any KeSPA players from last season. I don't know much about the newer PRIME guys...Kassia is a former WJS rookie and Departure has been around for a long time, for what those are worth. Wow thanks for this.You have truly informed me. My pleasure! Please forgive me if my predictions turn out badly, because Proleague results can be dang hard to get right It's true You have a 100% predictable match up with players when you know someone is going to win this fairly easy... And suddenly ! Arkanoid :p One of the most memorable for me: http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=&before=&players=Turn
Innovation&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=SearchXD I watched so many PL games and i have like no memory don't remember this one. A good Arkanoid game was the fantasy comeback in like... Round2 ? I just meant memorable in terms of how surprising the result was as for a Fantasy game, his widow mines vs BCs definitely won't be forgotten :D dat game of fantasy v flash on Akilon might be the 2nd best PL'13 game for me, only behind Bisu v Shine on Belshir theres another FvF where fanta actually beat BC with mines, cant remember the map though
That game was glorious. I don't mind Flash losing when you get to see stuff like that. Also, it was on Neo Planet S.
English VOD: + Show Spoiler +
This Proleague will be great. Really looking forward to it.
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It looks like it's SKT's tournament to lose... gogo best KT!
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The format is 4 bo1 and then an ace match? Every race has to be send out too right?
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Kal already Prime captain?
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On December 23 2013 17:16 Talin wrote:Man, SKT lineup without Bisu. He's always been there since I started watching pro Starcraft.
miss him too!
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On December 23 2013 17:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
oh no where the hell is Yoda on the IM roster ;;
I can't take another retirement. Not to mention he would be very valuable in SPL ><
Only good news seems to be that we can finally bring on the fantasy teams!
why cant you take another retirement? this game is SOOOO over saturated with 'pros'
the way sc2 blew up 3 years ago obviously wasn't sustainable. we are seeing sc:bw all over again, which is good imo.
now we just need to fix the game. IE units should not be dying in a split second.
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On December 24 2013 01:56 LockeTazeline wrote:
Kal already Prime captain?
Some of the teams make the oldest player captain
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On December 24 2013 02:02 -stOpSKY- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 17:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
oh no where the hell is Yoda on the IM roster ;;
I can't take another retirement. Not to mention he would be very valuable in SPL ><
Only good news seems to be that we can finally bring on the fantasy teams! why cant you take another retirement? this game is SOOOO over saturated with 'pros' the way sc2 blew up 3 years ago obviously wasn't sustainable. we are seeing sc:bw all over again, which is good imo. now we just need to fix the game. IE units should not be dying in a split second.
wait till your favorite quits and you can stop that oversaturated bs of an excuse. It looks like Korean wc3 actually (hope no-one tries to rig the game to get more viewers)
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On December 24 2013 00:32 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? Captain
Thanks for both responses, but nestea captain, I have mixed feelings, I guess its better than c standings for cancelled.
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On December 24 2013 02:07 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 02:02 -stOpSKY- wrote:On December 23 2013 17:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
oh no where the hell is Yoda on the IM roster ;;
I can't take another retirement. Not to mention he would be very valuable in SPL ><
Only good news seems to be that we can finally bring on the fantasy teams! why cant you take another retirement? this game is SOOOO over saturated with 'pros' the way sc2 blew up 3 years ago obviously wasn't sustainable. we are seeing sc:bw all over again, which is good imo. now we just need to fix the game. IE units should not be dying in a split second. wait till your favorite quits and you can stop that oversaturated bs of an excuse. It looks like Korean wc3 actually (hope no-one tries to rig the game to get more viewers)
how is it a bs of an excuse? its true. the game was new and fresh and very popular but it wasnt meant to stay at that size(as is clearly evident now). and all my favourite players have LONG quit from the BW days and never returned so i dont know what that point was suppose to mean.
im not saying sc2 is dead its just starting to reach more of its equilibrium standpoint.
its like any professional sport, there is only enough room for so many 'pros' and the best of the best survive.
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what a shitload of protoss.
pvproleague?
State Overall, hyped!
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there will be too many pvps
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On December 24 2013 02:14 NFxJehuty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 00:32 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? Captain Thanks for both responses, but nestea captain, I have mixed feelings, I guess its better than c standings for cancelled.
Nestea is a logical choice for Captain, as he is the oldest and can act as a mentor figure to the rest of the players.
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That Prime roster... kinda sad.
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These are my ratings for the teams, in the correct order.
CJ - 10
SKT - 8.5
Jin Air - 8
KT - 7.5
IM - 7
Samsung - 4
MVP - 3
Prime - 2
I wish pigs could fly so pigbaby could make pigs rain.
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On December 23 2013 17:16 Talin wrote:Man, SKT lineup without Bisu. He's always been there since I started watching pro Starcraft.
I was just thinking that myself. Weird. :/
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On December 24 2013 02:54 WetSocks wrote: No Tassadar
luckily he's still on fOu though so it's not like he retired \o/ He's going to win WCS AM
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On December 24 2013 02:40 ThePrince wrote:
These are my ratings for the teams, in the correct order.
CJ - 10
SKT - 8.5
Jin Air - 8
KT - 7.5
IM - 7
Samsung - 4
MVP - 3
Prime - 2
I wish pigs could fly so pigbaby could make pigs rain.
CJ > SKT? What? o.O
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On December 24 2013 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 02:40 ThePrince wrote:
These are my ratings for the teams, in the correct order.
CJ - 10
SKT - 8.5
Jin Air - 8
KT - 7.5
IM - 7
Samsung - 4
MVP - 3
Prime - 2
I wish pigs could fly so pigbaby could make pigs rain.
CJ > SKT? What? o.O
It's not very far-fetched if you look at the form of their players right now
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I guess the Proleague absences are due to where the players have decided to play for WCS.
I'm very sad Bong has changed his name to Hush.
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On December 24 2013 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 02:40 ThePrince wrote:
These are my ratings for the teams, in the correct order.
CJ - 10
SKT - 8.5
Jin Air - 8
KT - 7.5
IM - 7
Samsung - 4
MVP - 3
Prime - 2
I wish pigs could fly so pigbaby could make pigs rain.
CJ > SKT? What? o.O
They'll meet in the playoffs and Rain will lose all his maps
On December 24 2013 02:59 Larkin wrote:
I guess the Proleague absences are due to where the players have decided to play for WCS.
I'm very sad Bong has changed his name to Hush.
Maybe he misspelled hash
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On December 24 2013 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 02:40 ThePrince wrote:
These are my ratings for the teams, in the correct order.
CJ - 10
SKT - 8.5
Jin Air - 8
KT - 7.5
IM - 7
Samsung - 4
MVP - 3
Prime - 2
I wish pigs could fly so pigbaby could make pigs rain.
CJ > SKT? What? o.O
I think CJ is very balanced skill-wise across all races, and their players are doing quite strong. SKT is powerful, but has a weak terran lineup.
Double cheeseburgers.
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Damn... I'm SO excited for this season of ProLeague. The team roster and all matchups are going to be SICK!!
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Hoping Prime and their band of lesser knowns can come out of nowhere and surprise people.
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Seen high predictions for Green Wings but all I see is sOs and Maru with a Pigbaby sidekick. Might be bottom half material if you ask me.
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On December 24 2013 02:59 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2013 02:40 ThePrince wrote:
These are my ratings for the teams, in the correct order.
CJ - 10
SKT - 8.5
Jin Air - 8
KT - 7.5
IM - 7
Samsung - 4
MVP - 3
Prime - 2
I wish pigs could fly so pigbaby could make pigs rain.
CJ > SKT? What? o.O They'll meet in the playoffs and Rain will lose all his maps Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 02:59 Larkin wrote:
I guess the Proleague absences are due to where the players have decided to play for WCS.
I'm very sad Bong has changed his name to Hush. Maybe he misspelled hash
Lol. At least we'll have fewer similar sounding names to worry about (that Bong Bbyong BBoongBBoong trio)
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SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive.
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First actually notified IM that he was leaving a long time ago. It was never announced, so I thought maybe he changed his mind and went back, but this tells me that he did most likely leave.
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On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive.
JinAir >>>>>> KT
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On December 24 2013 03:19 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Seen high predictions for Green Wings but all I see is sOs and Maru with a Pigbaby sidekick. Might be bottom half material if you ask me.
Don't underestimate the Jin Air Zergs, I've liked what I've seen from TRUE and Savage (Rogue, whatever). I think Jin Air is a pretty good bet especially given the Bo5 format.
I think people are underestimating MVP though. DRG has shown signs of coming into top form again, and KeeN and Super are perennially overlooked players.
Also something tells me that this Proleague will be known as the Season of Swag. Swagger >>> all!
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On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT
That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. I bet MVP is a surprising top team and IM can be solid with Trap on their roster.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Funny that I can only recognize two players on prime XD
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when is the fantasy league starting?
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On December 24 2013 04:19 BigFan wrote:
Funny that I can only recognize two players on prime XD
Byun, Kal, Creator.
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On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible.
For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?).
Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites.
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On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites.
TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too.
KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though.
Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so..
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First .. ..
Puzzle .. ..
Crazy-Hydra .. ..
But KassiA still going strong. Hah.
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On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so...
To add to this well constructed reply. If you are playing KT then you know what their lineup is. And after the first round it gets easier to send out counter lineups if you are a good coach. Think down the line instead of what's in front of you.
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On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so...
completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos.
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Meh, why is it that the most boring race has the most players? I keep wanting to give SC2 another chance, but literally half of the games involving protoss I simply turn off watching out of random irritation with the design build up over the years.
On December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos.
Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague.
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On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote:Meh, why is it that the most boring race has the most players? I keep wanting to give SC2 another chance, but literally half of the games involving protoss I simply turn off watching out of random irritation with the design build up over the years. Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague.
You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances.
I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster.
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On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote:Meh, why is it that the most boring race has the most players? I keep wanting to give SC2 another chance, but literally half of the games involving protoss I simply turn off watching out of random irritation with the design build up over the years. Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague.
wth, "all potentially better than sos&maru"
Where did that come from
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On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote:Meh, why is it that the most boring race has the most players? I keep wanting to give SC2 another chance, but literally half of the games involving protoss I simply turn off watching out of random irritation with the design build up over the years. Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague.
Are you sure you follow SC2? sOs and Maru win GSLs and are equal to Zest, TY and Stats? LOL. Maru is the Flash of SC2 right now. Maybe all that race complaining is muddying up the logical thought process. SKT fans are the only ones with brains these days.
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On December 24 2013 04:23 TT1 wrote:
when is the fantasy league starting?
starting soon TM
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Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...
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On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ...
Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.
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On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ... Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster.
Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?
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is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster?
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On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ... Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster. Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B?
We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague.
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CJ terrans are freaking good indeed.
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On December 24 2013 05:00 esdf wrote:
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster?
MVP does for sure. And if your standard is for Bbyong and Bunny to be decent Terrans then I think Fantasy+Bravo and Cure+Maru could also qualify.
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On December 24 2013 05:00 esdf wrote:
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster?
In the Terran department, I'd say MVP, SKT, CJ and Jin Air all have two good ones each.
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On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster.
I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances, given that they spent a lot of time flying around the world having their play styles exposed instead of practicing, while players like Flash and TY didn't have a chance to showcase their skills.
Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?
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On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ... Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster. Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B? We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague.
Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches.
I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around.
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I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.
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On December 24 2013 05:07 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ... Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster. Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B? We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague. Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches. I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around.
Well there's nothing confirmed but there are reports for first and yoda being spotted on the European ladder and since they're not in the roster it suggests that they're going to EU. For the sake of clarity here's the post that I heard it from
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1tipmo/spl_round_1_rosters/ce8dz0f
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On December 24 2013 05:07 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ... Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster. Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B? We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague. Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches. I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around.
I don't have any concrete sources so if you have any I'd love to see them. I just can't (don't want to) believe that Yoda and First would both leave IM, as good as they are, with no other team interested in picking them up, to play WCS EU. It's all guesses to some extent at this point.
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On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is.
I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.
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On December 24 2013 05:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:00 esdf wrote:
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster? In the Terran department, I'd say MVP, SKT, CJ and Jin Air all have two good ones each.
I guess I'm just not too familiar with players in that case.
Uneducated statements fml :<
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On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances, given that they spent a lot of time flying around the world having their play styles exposed instead of practicing, while players like Flash and TY didn't have a chance to showcase their skills. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?
He's like 15 and he's wiping the floor right now. His middling performances came with WOL. He is a top HoTS terran and Flash is still trying to be single player on Brutal.
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On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.
You might. And it's possible that he will do better than Maru. That doesn't necessarily make him a better player though, or he would have been the best player in the world after the last season of Proleague. As evidence by his post-PL results, that really was not the casew. Flash isn't bad, but nothing I've seen from him suggests that he'd even been capable of winning OSL or reaching multiple semi-finals against the kind of opposition Maru faced.
Edit: Oh and he's been doing really well for 5-6 months, not 3.
On December 24 2013 05:10 esdf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:03 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 05:00 esdf wrote:
is it just me or only KT & CJ have more than 1 decent terran on the roster? In the Terran department, I'd say MVP, SKT, CJ and Jin Air all have two good ones each. I guess I'm just not too familiar with players in that case. Uneducated statements fml :<
One could make a case for KT also having two strong Terrans in TY and Flash. The other three teams though... D:
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On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?
Well, he obviously is. The few times I've seen Flash play in recent times he did not look good at all...
Maru on the other hand has been one of the best (if not the best) terrans for pretty much all of HotS.
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Best part of proleague: Flash fans get to pretend he's good at the game.
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I want IM to win so badly, but after losing Yoda and First I feel like i'm hoping for a boxer to become heavyweight champion after he amputated both arms.
That being said, IM fighting!
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Well last proleague flash just had to scout a prepared protoss allin and defend them barely and then a-move over a clueless Protoss, so it looked like he is good. This year will be a bit tougher, atleast I hope so.
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On December 24 2013 05:17 Dodgin wrote:
Best part of proleague: Flash fans get to pretend he's good at the game.
It may sound crazy but this might actually be the reason I did not miss PL at all...
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On December 24 2013 05:30 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:17 Dodgin wrote:
Best part of proleague: Flash fans get to pretend he's good at the game. It may sound crazy but this might actually be the reason I did not miss PL at all...
Whaddya mean, jaedong bandwagon fanboy slapfights were fun but you gotta have variety on your bandwagon slapfights, bisu is gone and stork is down for the count so it's just flash.
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I just wish that KT zergs start performing finally, and not just in playoffs. Hoping for action to be the next yellow.
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so pumped for this to start!
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On December 24 2013 05:09 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:07 Sein wrote:On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ... Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster. Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B? We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague. Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches. I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around. I don't have any concrete sources so if you have any I'd love to see them. I just can't (don't want to) believe that Yoda and First would both leave IM, as good as they are, with no other team interested in picking them up, to play WCS EU. It's all guesses to some extent at this point.
I posted earlier:
On December 23 2013 18:15 ZAiNs wrote:Secret info: I played against First on ladder in Europe, and Yoda was laddering too. WCS EU confirmed?
You can see they both started laddering a few days ago.
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On December 24 2013 05:56 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:09 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Sein wrote:On December 24 2013 05:01 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:56 Trius wrote:On December 24 2013 04:54 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 04:50 Cartman_ wrote:
Hope that FanTaSy will play well this season ! Bring me back the Terrorist !
CJ's Line-up looking good, with rookies on fire, they can do something really good this season. Also, what the ... Where are Puzzle, Crazy, YoDa and ... First ? IM doing some weird choices here, even if they surely have their reasons ... Crazy and Puzzle have (presumably) retired, whereas Yoda and First have (presumably) decided to play in Europe for WCS EU, thus possibly explaining their absence from IM's roster. Does this means that Mvp and Nestea are back to KR's Code B? We don't know yet, but it appears that they're at least confident that they'll be able to make their schedules work with Proleague. Are you sure about First still on IM and just moving to WCS EU? I'm under the impression that he left because he wasn't salaried and the team wasn't willing to pay for his expenses to WCS EU. Hirai wouldn't entirely leave a player out of a roster just because the player has to miss a few matches. I could be wrong though, but that's what he was telling other teams when he was shopping around. I don't have any concrete sources so if you have any I'd love to see them. I just can't (don't want to) believe that Yoda and First would both leave IM, as good as they are, with no other team interested in picking them up, to play WCS EU. It's all guesses to some extent at this point. I posted earlier: Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 18:15 ZAiNs wrote:On December 23 2013 17:30 DiMano wrote:
First is missing too..... Secret info: I played against First on ladder in Europe, and Yoda was laddering too. WCS EU confirmed? You can see they both started laddering a few days ago.
Oh I knew that part, we just don't know what the situation is with them and IM, do we?
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no Bang and no Puzzle hmmm..
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On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.
Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL.
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On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL.
Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned
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On December 24 2013 05:10 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances, given that they spent a lot of time flying around the world having their play styles exposed instead of practicing, while players like Flash and TY didn't have a chance to showcase their skills. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? He's like 15 and he's wiping the floor right now. His middling performances came with WOL. He is a top HoTS terran and Flash is still trying to be single player on Brutal.
Haha, that's a bit of an understatement of Flash's skill. He may not be a top 5 Terran right now, but he's certainly still extremely good, especially in Proleague.
Top 10 Terran imo, 15 at absolute worst.
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On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned
But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something.
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On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL.
Put any other player in Flash' position on that awful KT team and tell me they win PL. They dont even have a zerg player worth mentioning
Also no Bisu
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On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something.
Well that's just wrong. Winning tournaments isn't all that matters. I'd go as far as to say that winning games in impressive fashion (a la mid-2013 Innovation) is more impressive and does more for a player's reputation than "just" winning tournaments. Flash deserves respect for his Proleague performance, no doubt.
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Why does Flash have so many anti-fans?
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On December 24 2013 06:19 Grumbels wrote:
Why does Flash have so many anti-fans?
In SC2, what you refer to as "Flash anti-fans" are known as "Sensible human beings"
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On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:
I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances, given that they spent a lot of time flying around the world having their play styles exposed instead of practicing, while players like Flash and TY didn't have a chance to showcase their skills.
Actually this is just wrong. If you look at the tournaments, they attended, Maru has not a single tournament showing outside of WCS. Flash and sOs both attendet the WCS tournaments as well as IEM NY and DH Bucharest.
This is the starting point, so as you can see, Flash and sOs are the ones travelling more than Maru. Now lets look at the differences, that came from their performances:
-Both Maru and sOs outperform Flash during WCS Korea, which is the only reason, why they attend Season finals/Blizzcon
-At DH, sOs makes top 6, qualifying for DH Winter. Flash loses to DIMAGA, YugiOh and MMA and gets eliminated in the group stages. So again, the only reason, that sOs attends the tourney and Flash does´nt, is because sOs outperformed Flash.
- Finally, sOs received a seed for RB Battlegrounds, because he won Blizzcon, a tournament, Flash could´nt qualify for.
So as you see, Flash had the same chance to show his talent as sOs did and even more than Maru. They just out-performed him at nearly every single tournament, they attended (The exception being WCS Kor season 2, were sOs got knocked out early, but WCS Korea S3, IEM and DH did go in sOs favor)
On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:
Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?
This sentence confuses me. If I would say " Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Inca/RainBOw?", people would laugh at me, but both, Inca and RainBOw are actually former GSL finalists, while Flash did´nt make the quarterfinal once. So, speaking in facts again: Maru is doing well since June. That is six months, not three. In this time, he made 5 WCS Korea/WCS Season Finals/Blizzcon/GSL HotSixcup semifinals.Flash could´nt make a WCS/GSL semi-final in his entire SC2 career. The "three years of middling performances" were, when he was 13, 14 and close to 15. Do you expect a 13-yo to dominate the scene? Probably not. The question should´nt be "people think Maru is better Flash?", it should be "People doubt that?".
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So when does fantasy proleague start up?
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Holy crap Prime actually had 11 players?
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On December 24 2013 07:02 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Holy crap Prime actually had 11 players?
Most of them look like they probably come pretty cheap based on name value but yeah it was more than I thought they had. Hopefully the rookies can show some good games.
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On December 24 2013 07:02 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Holy crap Prime actually had 11 players?
They have secret ninja recruiters posing as middle-schoolers all over korea
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No First or Yoda TT. Also no Bang. Was looking forward to seeing him more. Too bad.
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If you have to play each race once IM has a pretty bad lineup, will be tough for them :/
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Just for fun Aligulac rates the teams in proleague format as
1. Jin Air Green Wings
2. CJ Entus
3. SK Telecom T1
4. Incredible Miracle
5. Samsung Galaxy
6. KT Rolster
7. MVP
8. Prime
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On December 24 2013 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you have to play each race once IM has a pretty bad lineup, will be tough for them :/
I think byul could hold up and in the preparation heavy proleague it could be of benefit to MVP. Nestea and the new terran are probably going to be over their head for a while.
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Look I don't care about the lineups but I am very disappointed on these name changes. All the new names are a downgrade from the previous ones except maybe Armani.
But man will I miss Bong
At least I hope there are some WACKY name changes during the season.
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On December 24 2013 07:26 Epamynondas wrote:Look I don't care about the lineups but I am very disappointed on these name changes. All the new names are a downgrade from the previous ones except maybe Armani. But man will I miss Bong At least I hope there are some WACKY name changes during the season.
It's Korea. You can pretty much bet on it.
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every team is so stacked ....
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On December 24 2013 07:28 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:26 Epamynondas wrote:Look I don't care about the lineups but I am very disappointed on these name changes. All the new names are a downgrade from the previous ones except maybe Armani. But man will I miss Bong At least I hope there are some WACKY name changes during the season. It's Korea. You can pretty much bet on it.
Monster > NAKSEO never forget
On December 24 2013 07:29 jax1492 wrote:
every team is so stacked ....
Prime pls
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The wait for FPL is giving me panic attack.
will monk refund my xanax ?
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On December 24 2013 07:23 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you have to play each race once IM has a pretty bad lineup, will be tough for them :/ I think byul could hold up and in the preparation heavy proleague it could be of benefit to MVP. Nestea and the new terran are probably going to be over their head for a while.
Hm yeah maybe there is hope, but in general all the ex esf teams look rather mediocre (with prime totally fucked at this point)
It feels like most of the top players are on "real kespa teams" or foreign teams these days Oo
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On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something.
JD gets flown all over the world to play in foreign tournaments and plays in easy WCS NA. Flash had to deal with a Parting Life Innovation RO16 group while Jaedong got 2-0d by theognis in the first round of WCS NA Challenger and dropped a game to Drunkenboi.
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On December 24 2013 07:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:23 Fusilero wrote:On December 24 2013 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you have to play each race once IM has a pretty bad lineup, will be tough for them :/ I think byul could hold up and in the preparation heavy proleague it could be of benefit to MVP. Nestea and the new terran are probably going to be over their head for a while. Hm yeah maybe there is hope, but in general all the ex esf teams look rather mediocre (with prime totally fucked at this point) It feels like most of the top players are on "real kespa teams" or foreign teams these days Oo
Startale confirmed foreign team
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On December 24 2013 07:42 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 24 2013 07:23 Fusilero wrote:On December 24 2013 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you have to play each race once IM has a pretty bad lineup, will be tough for them :/ I think byul could hold up and in the preparation heavy proleague it could be of benefit to MVP. Nestea and the new terran are probably going to be over their head for a while. Hm yeah maybe there is hope, but in general all the ex esf teams look rather mediocre (with prime totally fucked at this point) It feels like most of the top players are on "real kespa teams" or foreign teams these days Oo Startale confirmed foreign team
I said MOST of the top players, startale has bomber, i give you that
edit: and life ^^
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On December 24 2013 07:22 Shellshock wrote:
Just for fun Aligulac rates the teams in proleague format as
1. Jin Air Green Wings
2. CJ Entus
3. SK Telecom T1
4. Incredible Miracle
5. Samsung Galaxy
6. KT Rolster
7. MVP
8. Prime
I recall certain article on TL that was posted prior to last proleague season and had similar ratings (tl-eg on #1) :D
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On December 24 2013 07:41 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something. JD gets flown all over the world to play in foreign tournaments and plays in easy WCS NA. Flash had to deal with a Parting Life Innovation RO16 group while Jaedong got 2-0d by theognis in the first round of WCS NA Challenger and dropped a game to Drunkenboi.
Jaedong was looking for his motivation which he found. Flash chose the easy way with the high salary and taken care of team house.
Give JD props for trying out something new.
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On December 24 2013 07:44 esdf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:22 Shellshock wrote:
Just for fun Aligulac rates the teams in proleague format as
1. Jin Air Green Wings
2. CJ Entus
3. SK Telecom T1
4. Incredible Miracle
5. Samsung Galaxy
6. KT Rolster
7. MVP
8. Prime I recall certain article on TL that was posted prior to last proleague season and had similar ratings (tl-eg on #1) :D
We don't talk about EGTL.
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On December 24 2013 07:53 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:44 esdf wrote:On December 24 2013 07:22 Shellshock wrote:
Just for fun Aligulac rates the teams in proleague format as
1. Jin Air Green Wings
2. CJ Entus
3. SK Telecom T1
4. Incredible Miracle
5. Samsung Galaxy
6. KT Rolster
7. MVP
8. Prime I recall certain article on TL that was posted prior to last proleague season and had similar ratings (tl-eg on #1) :D We don't talk about EGTL.
Unleashed a monster.
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On December 24 2013 07:44 esdf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:22 Shellshock wrote:
Just for fun Aligulac rates the teams in proleague format as
1. Jin Air Green Wings
2. CJ Entus
3. SK Telecom T1
4. Incredible Miracle
5. Samsung Galaxy
6. KT Rolster
7. MVP
8. Prime I recall certain article on TL that was posted prior to last proleague season and had similar ratings (tl-eg on #1) :D
Personally I don't think Jin Air will win it all but they are a KeSPA team so they will probably be pretty proleague focused so I think they will still do fairly well with their roster.
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On December 24 2013 07:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:42 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 07:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 24 2013 07:23 Fusilero wrote:On December 24 2013 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you have to play each race once IM has a pretty bad lineup, will be tough for them :/ I think byul could hold up and in the preparation heavy proleague it could be of benefit to MVP. Nestea and the new terran are probably going to be over their head for a while. Hm yeah maybe there is hope, but in general all the ex esf teams look rather mediocre (with prime totally fucked at this point) It feels like most of the top players are on "real kespa teams" or foreign teams these days Oo Startale confirmed foreign team I said MOST of the top players, startale has bomber, i give you that edit: and life ^^
Your edit just saved you from death by Zealously.
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On December 24 2013 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you have to play each race once IM has a pretty bad lineup, will be tough for them :/
not really bad, but it may be hard to break the playoffs now.
Byul really isn't getting enough credit and we still don't quite know how good UngNim is. I'd wager Mvp is probably still good in TvT (yay for mech!) and to snipe every now and then too.
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Mvp's tvz was good at iem
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On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?
haha this guy
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On December 24 2013 07:50 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:41 ZAiNs wrote:On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something. JD gets flown all over the world to play in foreign tournaments and plays in easy WCS NA. Flash had to deal with a Parting Life Innovation RO16 group while Jaedong got 2-0d by theognis in the first round of WCS NA Challenger and dropped a game to Drunkenboi. Jaedong was looking for his motivation which he found. Flash chose the easy way with the high salary and taken care of team house. Give JD props for trying out something new.
I'm sorry but how exactly is playing exclusively in WCS KR and not having opportunities in many foreign tournaments the "easy way"
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On December 24 2013 08:40 Dodgin wrote:
Mvp's tvz was good at iem
Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.)
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On December 24 2013 08:53 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:50 sharkie wrote:On December 24 2013 07:41 ZAiNs wrote:On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something. JD gets flown all over the world to play in foreign tournaments and plays in easy WCS NA. Flash had to deal with a Parting Life Innovation RO16 group while Jaedong got 2-0d by theognis in the first round of WCS NA Challenger and dropped a game to Drunkenboi. Jaedong was looking for his motivation which he found. Flash chose the easy way with the high salary and taken care of team house. Give JD props for trying out something new. I'm sorry but how exactly is playing exclusively in WCS KR and not having opportunities in many foreign tournaments the "easy way"
And does anyone really think JD isn't getting a nice salary with EG?
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On December 24 2013 08:56 Kasaraki wrote:Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.)
hahah that just sounds silly.
"argh, when I see units warp in, my neck sends shooting pains through my body!"
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Looking forward to some PvProleague.
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On December 24 2013 08:51 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? haha this guy
If you joined TL in late 2011 obviously you wouldn't understand that you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru. Obviously he wasn't as good for the second half of 2013 and he might still be worse now, but I don't see why Maru would be favored to do better than Flash in proleague. It lasts for half a year which is more than enough time for Flash to regain form. Of course, all pending on whether he stays motivated.
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On December 24 2013 09:07 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 08:56 Kasaraki wrote:On December 24 2013 08:40 Dodgin wrote:
Mvp's tvz was good at iem Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.) hahah that just sounds silly. "argh, when I see units warp in, my neck sends shooting pains through my body!"
Protoss so imba they physically damage the opposing player. D:
His neck problems apparently make certain in game actions hard to perform, and those actions appear mainly in TvP, iirc.
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being condescending only makes you look like a dick, it doesn't help your argument, join date is no indicator of experience in the sports scene.
no indicator? how about maru severely outperforming flash for the last half year?
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On December 24 2013 08:56 Kasaraki wrote:Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.)
He looked decent vs San at the last IEM.
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On December 24 2013 09:24 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 08:56 Kasaraki wrote:On December 24 2013 08:40 Dodgin wrote:
Mvp's tvz was good at iem Yeah his vZ and vT are ranging anywhere from above average to top tier, but his vP is just completely useless (Apparantly it's the matchup where his neck causes him the most grief.) He looked decent vs San at the last IEM.
Yeah he should have beat San if it werent for that clutch storm on Belshir or Mvp kind of throwing away the Derelict Watcher game
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I wish narrowly losing to San made up for not so narrowly losing to foreigners all the time.
But hmm, I'll take what hope I can get, would be nice if he improved his TvP form.
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What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ?
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On December 24 2013 09:35 Za7oX wrote:
What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ?
He retired ages ago, before hots I believe.
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On December 24 2013 08:04 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:44 esdf wrote:On December 24 2013 07:22 Shellshock wrote:
Just for fun Aligulac rates the teams in proleague format as
1. Jin Air Green Wings
2. CJ Entus
3. SK Telecom T1
4. Incredible Miracle
5. Samsung Galaxy
6. KT Rolster
7. MVP
8. Prime I recall certain article on TL that was posted prior to last proleague season and had similar ratings (tl-eg on #1) :D Personally I don't think Jin Air will win it all but they are a KeSPA team so they will probably be pretty proleague focused so I think they will still do fairly well with their roster.
I think Jin Air is a pretty solid top 3 team but SKT or CJ are the favorite to win proleague.
Also Flash is nowhere near Maru's level, don't kid yourselves. His mechanics are almost as good as Maru's but his game sense and ability to prepare for opponents is bottom-tier among progamers.
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On December 24 2013 09:17 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 08:51 opterown wrote:On December 24 2013 05:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 04:44 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:37 Grumbels wroteOn December 24 2013 04:31 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:
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JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... completely agree with the last sentence. flash is the only one on KT who has a decent shot against maru and sos. Zest, TY & Stats all are potentially better than sos&maru. Just depends on form and practice environment. Chances are that KT is very well practiced given that they had many months to prepare for proleague. You can also say that TRUE/Savage/CoCa/Pigbaby/Terminator are potentially better than Flash/TY/Zest. BUT Maru and sOs being better than all of KT is just a raw fact based on recent performances. I think it's obvious that JinAir has the stronger roster. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? haha this guy If you joined TL in late 2011 obviously you wouldn't understand that you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru. Obviously he wasn't as good for the second half of 2013 and he might still be worse now, but I don't see why Maru would be favored to do better than Flash in proleague. It lasts for half a year which is more than enough time for Flash to regain form. Of course, all pending on whether he stays motivated.
First off join date is a silly thing to pull out.
Secondly, when has Flash shown that he is, "considerably more talented than Maru" at SC2? I'll go ahead and tell you, pretty much never. Maru has outplayed Flash through all of HotS, and there is virtually no evidence to say that Flash is better than Maru at this game. Maybe because of your early join date (such hipster, so impress) you are still living in Brood War.
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On December 24 2013 09:37 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:35 Za7oX wrote:
What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ? He retired ages ago, before hots I believe.
The hold of his 2rax by Roro was too much to bear.
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I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog last couple of hours, but really it is just too hard at the moment. I just realized, that we have not seen many of these players for even several months and there's really not enough data to go by. I wonder how they do the FPL rankings, cause it's really gonna be hard. I guess there will be a lot of bargain deals, but also a lot of overrated players.
+ Show Spoiler [If anyone wonders what I came up with] +
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On December 24 2013 09:40 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:37 Dodgin wrote:On December 24 2013 09:35 Za7oX wrote:
What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ? He retired ages ago, before hots I believe. The hold of his 2rax by Roro was too much to bear.
Didn't GuMiho lose to Scarlett with 11-11 vs 3 hatch before pool? It was in an online tournament (RSL maybe?) so I think many people don't know about it. Poor Happy.
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On December 24 2013 09:43 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:40 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 24 2013 09:37 Dodgin wrote:On December 24 2013 09:35 Za7oX wrote:
What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ? He retired ages ago, before hots I believe. The hold of his 2rax by Roro was too much to bear. Didn't GuMiho lose to Scarlett with 11-11 vs 3 hatch before pool? It was in an online tournament (RSL maybe?) so I think many people don't know about it. Poor Happy.
Yes, RSL III on Khaydaria.
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On December 24 2013 09:37 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:35 Za7oX wrote:
What about IMHappy? Or did i miss him retiring ? He retired ages ago, before hots I believe.
He went back to Japan for studying
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Barbie to carry Prime to proleague playoffs, gogo
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In regards to YoDa not appearing, I thought YoDa had some personal life issues they discussed before?
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On December 24 2013 09:37 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 08:04 Shellshock wrote:On December 24 2013 07:44 esdf wrote:On December 24 2013 07:22 Shellshock wrote:
Just for fun Aligulac rates the teams in proleague format as
1. Jin Air Green Wings
2. CJ Entus
3. SK Telecom T1
4. Incredible Miracle
5. Samsung Galaxy
6. KT Rolster
7. MVP
8. Prime I recall certain article on TL that was posted prior to last proleague season and had similar ratings (tl-eg on #1) :D Personally I don't think Jin Air will win it all but they are a KeSPA team so they will probably be pretty proleague focused so I think they will still do fairly well with their roster. I think Jin Air is a pretty solid top 3 team but SKT or CJ are the favorite to win proleague. Also Flash is nowhere near Maru's level, don't kid yourselves. His mechanics are almost as good as Maru's but his game sense and ability to prepare for opponents is bottom-tier among progamers.
Pretending there's a massive skill gap between Maru and Flash is silly considering it came down to the last game the last time they met in Code S; plus they had the same record against the other players (1-2 vs PartinG, 2-1 vs LosirA).
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On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog 01 - Maru
surprising
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2013 02:01 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 01:58 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 13 2013 01:56 Ammanas wrote:On October 13 2013 01:47 Lysanias wrote:On October 13 2013 01:44 Die4Ever wrote:On October 13 2013 01:44 Ammanas wrote:On October 13 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2013 01:36 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 13 2013 01:28 Steins;Gate wrote:On October 13 2013 01:26 TheDwf wrote:
So funny that Blizzard proposes a Mine nerf when 4M is already dying. Now I understand why Flash started playing mech; it's not even to vary strategies. haven't watched in a while, is bio-mine actually not viable or is Flash just terrible at it? its not viable against the best zergs it seems. Someone give me evidence to the contrary. I would argue we've seen top Zergs play but not top terrans in Maru Taeja. Only really innovation Maru is far, FAR from being top terran. Top anything really. So far from being top anything that he got 1st place in OSL and then 4th place in GSL. What a scrub. Agree, Maru deserves a lot more credit then this shit ppl give him. He deserves a lot more shit then this credit ppl give him. (and yes, I am just a hater, cannot help it) Is it possible that you are a mad rain fan? I think so. Yeah, I think so. Not just that though, Maru is everything I hate in SC2: -terran using bullshit cheese, fucked up drops etc -he is from Prime -beats everyone I like -just really hate his playstyle. reminds me of MVP, who I hated with passion while he was good. On October 13 2013 01:44 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2013 01:36 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 13 2013 01:28 Steins;Gate wrote:On October 13 2013 01:26 TheDwf wrote:
So funny that Blizzard proposes a Mine nerf when 4M is already dying. Now I understand why Flash started playing mech; it's not even to vary strategies. haven't watched in a while, is bio-mine actually not viable or is Flash just terrible at it? its not viable against the best zergs it seems. Someone give me evidence to the contrary. I would argue we've seen top Zergs play but not top terrans in Maru Taeja. Only really innovation Maru is far, FAR from being top terran. Top anything really. On September 29 2013 19:24 Ammanas wrote:hmph, Maru is for me like terran version of Terminator. Whatever he does, it's bad and the worst part is that he keeps on winning -.- I would take Losira, Flash, fucking Suhosin over Maru On September 05 2013 14:56 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 12:18 Popkiller wrote:On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain. The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results. I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month. Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be. And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias): + Show Spoiler +1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank? results are never irrelevant. But yeah, player like Soulkey would not drop out to the bottom of my power rank just for losing few matches, while he is clearly the best Zerg in the world. Same for some other players, like Rain, sOs or Innovation. On the other hand, players like Maru, who had ONE lucky run, where they didn't even show any too impressive play, would not get anywhere close to my power rank. On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. On August 10 2013 19:36 Ammanas wrote:Fuck my life, fuck Maru, fuck Prime and fuck Terran On July 19 2013 15:55 Ammanas wrote:
I am just surprised, that people think Innovation > Soulkey.
Just watch that guy tear everything apart.
Maru < Symbol (based purely on 'I hate TSL Zergs less then Prime terrans' otherwise it's 50/50, although neither of them could beat any of the remaining players, so yeah...)
Soulkey > Innovation
Rain > Supernova
Bomber < First
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On December 24 2013 09:56 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog 01 - Maru surprising + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2013 02:01 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 01:58 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 13 2013 01:56 Ammanas wrote:On October 13 2013 01:47 Lysanias wrote:On October 13 2013 01:44 Die4Ever wrote:On October 13 2013 01:44 Ammanas wrote:On October 13 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2013 01:36 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 13 2013 01:28 Steins;Gate wrote:On October 13 2013 01:26 TheDwf wrote:
So funny that Blizzard proposes a Mine nerf when 4M is already dying. Now I understand why Flash started playing mech; it's not even to vary strategies. haven't watched in a while, is bio-mine actually not viable or is Flash just terrible at it? its not viable against the best zergs it seems. Someone give me evidence to the contrary. I would argue we've seen top Zergs play but not top terrans in Maru Taeja. Only really innovation Maru is far, FAR from being top terran. Top anything really. So far from being top anything that he got 1st place in OSL and then 4th place in GSL. What a scrub. Agree, Maru deserves a lot more credit then this shit ppl give him. He deserves a lot more shit then this credit ppl give him. (and yes, I am just a hater, cannot help it) Is it possible that you are a mad rain fan? I think so. Yeah, I think so. Not just that though, Maru is everything I hate in SC2: -terran using bullshit cheese, fucked up drops etc -he is from Prime -beats everyone I like -just really hate his playstyle. reminds me of MVP, who I hated with passion while he was good. On October 13 2013 01:44 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2013 01:36 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 13 2013 01:28 Steins;Gate wrote:On October 13 2013 01:26 TheDwf wrote:
So funny that Blizzard proposes a Mine nerf when 4M is already dying. Now I understand why Flash started playing mech; it's not even to vary strategies. haven't watched in a while, is bio-mine actually not viable or is Flash just terrible at it? its not viable against the best zergs it seems. Someone give me evidence to the contrary. I would argue we've seen top Zergs play but not top terrans in Maru Taeja. Only really innovation Maru is far, FAR from being top terran. Top anything really. On September 29 2013 19:24 Ammanas wrote:hmph, Maru is for me like terran version of Terminator. Whatever he does, it's bad and the worst part is that he keeps on winning -.- I would take Losira, Flash, fucking Suhosin over Maru On September 05 2013 14:56 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 12:18 Popkiller wrote:On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain. The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results. I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month. Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be. And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias): + Show Spoiler +1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank? results are never irrelevant. But yeah, player like Soulkey would not drop out to the bottom of my power rank just for losing few matches, while he is clearly the best Zerg in the world. Same for some other players, like Rain, sOs or Innovation. On the other hand, players like Maru, who had ONE lucky run, where they didn't even show any too impressive play, would not get anywhere close to my power rank. On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. On August 10 2013 19:36 Ammanas wrote:Fuck my life, fuck Maru, fuck Prime and fuck Terran On July 19 2013 15:55 Ammanas wrote:
I am just surprised, that people think Innovation > Soulkey.
Just watch that guy tear everything apart.
Maru < Symbol (based purely on 'I hate TSL Zergs less then Prime terrans' otherwise it's 50/50, although neither of them could beat any of the remaining players, so yeah...)
Soulkey > Innovation
Rain > Supernova
Bomber < First
Dat juicy history.
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On December 24 2013 09:56 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog 01 - Maru surprising + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2013 02:01 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 01:58 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 13 2013 01:56 Ammanas wrote:On October 13 2013 01:47 Lysanias wrote:On October 13 2013 01:44 Die4Ever wrote:On October 13 2013 01:44 Ammanas wrote:On October 13 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2013 01:36 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 13 2013 01:28 Steins;Gate wrote:On October 13 2013 01:26 TheDwf wrote:
So funny that Blizzard proposes a Mine nerf when 4M is already dying. Now I understand why Flash started playing mech; it's not even to vary strategies. haven't watched in a while, is bio-mine actually not viable or is Flash just terrible at it? its not viable against the best zergs it seems. Someone give me evidence to the contrary. I would argue we've seen top Zergs play but not top terrans in Maru Taeja. Only really innovation Maru is far, FAR from being top terran. Top anything really. So far from being top anything that he got 1st place in OSL and then 4th place in GSL. What a scrub. Agree, Maru deserves a lot more credit then this shit ppl give him. He deserves a lot more shit then this credit ppl give him. (and yes, I am just a hater, cannot help it) Is it possible that you are a mad rain fan? I think so. Yeah, I think so. Not just that though, Maru is everything I hate in SC2: -terran using bullshit cheese, fucked up drops etc -he is from Prime -beats everyone I like -just really hate his playstyle. reminds me of MVP, who I hated with passion while he was good. On October 13 2013 01:44 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2013 01:36 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 13 2013 01:28 Steins;Gate wrote:On October 13 2013 01:26 TheDwf wrote:
So funny that Blizzard proposes a Mine nerf when 4M is already dying. Now I understand why Flash started playing mech; it's not even to vary strategies. haven't watched in a while, is bio-mine actually not viable or is Flash just terrible at it? its not viable against the best zergs it seems. Someone give me evidence to the contrary. I would argue we've seen top Zergs play but not top terrans in Maru Taeja. Only really innovation Maru is far, FAR from being top terran. Top anything really. On September 29 2013 19:24 Ammanas wrote:hmph, Maru is for me like terran version of Terminator. Whatever he does, it's bad and the worst part is that he keeps on winning -.- I would take Losira, Flash, fucking Suhosin over Maru On September 05 2013 14:56 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 12:18 Popkiller wrote:On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain. The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results. I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month. Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be. And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias): + Show Spoiler +1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank? results are never irrelevant. But yeah, player like Soulkey would not drop out to the bottom of my power rank just for losing few matches, while he is clearly the best Zerg in the world. Same for some other players, like Rain, sOs or Innovation. On the other hand, players like Maru, who had ONE lucky run, where they didn't even show any too impressive play, would not get anywhere close to my power rank. On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. On August 10 2013 19:36 Ammanas wrote:Fuck my life, fuck Maru, fuck Prime and fuck Terran On July 19 2013 15:55 Ammanas wrote:
I am just surprised, that people think Innovation > Soulkey.
Just watch that guy tear everything apart.
Maru < Symbol (based purely on 'I hate TSL Zergs less then Prime terrans' otherwise it's 50/50, although neither of them could beat any of the remaining players, so yeah...)
Soulkey > Innovation
Rain > Supernova
Bomber < First
Yup, the fact that I hate him and his (former) team and the way he plays his race doesn't mean I cannot acknowledge he is (unfortunately for me) good at this game
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On December 24 2013 09:55 SniXSniPe wrote:
In regards to YoDa not appearing, I thought YoDa had some personal life issues they discussed before?
I think you are talking about Sound.
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On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog last couple of hours, but really it is just too hard at the moment. I just realized, that we have not seen many of these players for even several months and there's really not enough data to go by. I wonder how they do the FPL rankings, cause it's really gonna be hard. I guess there will be a lot of bargain deals, but also a lot of overrated players. + Show Spoiler [If anyone wonders what I came up with] +
Pls how coudl you rank hydra above effort D:
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On December 24 2013 09:56 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog 01 - Maru surprising + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2013 02:01 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 01:58 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 13 2013 01:56 Ammanas wrote:On October 13 2013 01:47 Lysanias wrote:On October 13 2013 01:44 Die4Ever wrote:On October 13 2013 01:44 Ammanas wrote:On October 13 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2013 01:36 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 13 2013 01:28 Steins;Gate wrote:On October 13 2013 01:26 TheDwf wrote:
So funny that Blizzard proposes a Mine nerf when 4M is already dying. Now I understand why Flash started playing mech; it's not even to vary strategies. haven't watched in a while, is bio-mine actually not viable or is Flash just terrible at it? its not viable against the best zergs it seems. Someone give me evidence to the contrary. I would argue we've seen top Zergs play but not top terrans in Maru Taeja. Only really innovation Maru is far, FAR from being top terran. Top anything really. So far from being top anything that he got 1st place in OSL and then 4th place in GSL. What a scrub. Agree, Maru deserves a lot more credit then this shit ppl give him. He deserves a lot more shit then this credit ppl give him. (and yes, I am just a hater, cannot help it) Is it possible that you are a mad rain fan? I think so. Yeah, I think so. Not just that though, Maru is everything I hate in SC2: -terran using bullshit cheese, fucked up drops etc -he is from Prime -beats everyone I like -just really hate his playstyle. reminds me of MVP, who I hated with passion while he was good. On October 13 2013 01:44 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2013 01:36 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 13 2013 01:28 Steins;Gate wrote:On October 13 2013 01:26 TheDwf wrote:
So funny that Blizzard proposes a Mine nerf when 4M is already dying. Now I understand why Flash started playing mech; it's not even to vary strategies. haven't watched in a while, is bio-mine actually not viable or is Flash just terrible at it? its not viable against the best zergs it seems. Someone give me evidence to the contrary. I would argue we've seen top Zergs play but not top terrans in Maru Taeja. Only really innovation Maru is far, FAR from being top terran. Top anything really. On September 29 2013 19:24 Ammanas wrote:hmph, Maru is for me like terran version of Terminator. Whatever he does, it's bad and the worst part is that he keeps on winning -.- I would take Losira, Flash, fucking Suhosin over Maru On September 05 2013 14:56 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 12:18 Popkiller wrote:On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:I think, I cannot fully agree with the shape the power rank is taking. I mean, it is quite different from what I would think power rank should serve for. Let me explain. The power rank as TL writers see it, is a review of how good players performed THIS MONTH with a very little emphasis also on past results. I would like to see Power Rank as a list of Top 10 players in the world overall and every month just update it a little with the results of said month. Because in this power rank, there surely are strong players. Are there all top 10 world players in there? Certainly not. And for sure not in the order they should be. And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias): + Show Spoiler +1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. how long before a player's results become irrelevant for your "all time" power rank? results are never irrelevant. But yeah, player like Soulkey would not drop out to the bottom of my power rank just for losing few matches, while he is clearly the best Zerg in the world. Same for some other players, like Rain, sOs or Innovation. On the other hand, players like Maru, who had ONE lucky run, where they didn't even show any too impressive play, would not get anywhere close to my power rank. On September 05 2013 12:10 Ammanas wrote:
And to also try to show you how I would do it (and how I would rate the Top 10 players in the world right now), here goes (obviously, since I am only 1 person, there will probably be a little bit of bias):
1. Taeja
2. Innovation
3. Soulkey
4. Bomber
5. Rain
6. Polt
7. Parting
8. sOs
9. Jaedong
10. Hyun
With Parting, Polt and sOs almost completely interchangeable (this months results play in favor of this order) and same for JD and Hyun. And yes, no Maru, mostly because I would not bet on him vs any of these players, even though he already beat some of them. On August 10 2013 19:36 Ammanas wrote:Fuck my life, fuck Maru, fuck Prime and fuck Terran On July 19 2013 15:55 Ammanas wrote:
I am just surprised, that people think Innovation > Soulkey.
Just watch that guy tear everything apart.
Maru < Symbol (based purely on 'I hate TSL Zergs less then Prime terrans' otherwise it's 50/50, although neither of them could beat any of the remaining players, so yeah...)
Soulkey > Innovation
Rain > Supernova
Bomber < First
You're really scary. I'll have to make sure I never give you a reason to dig up my dirty posting history.
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On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog last couple of hours, but really it is just too hard at the moment. I just realized, that we have not seen many of these players for even several months and there's really not enough data to go by. I wonder how they do the FPL rankings, cause it's really gonna be hard. I guess there will be a lot of bargain deals, but also a lot of overrated players. + Show Spoiler [If anyone wonders what I came up with] +
CJ_herO over sOs? Classic over Liquid`HerO? Parting, DRG and Hydra in the top 10 at all?
Meh.
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Opterown is really the TL Sherlock Holmes.
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it wasn't that hard to dig up, i remember ammanas being a fairly loud maru hater, so when i saw him rank maru as first -> search post history for maru, dig up dirt, ez.
the other guy who claimed he played protoss -> search post history for play and zerg
lol
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On December 24 2013 09:20 opterown wrote:
being condescending only makes you look like a dick, it doesn't help your argument, join date is no indicator of experience in the sports scene.
no indicator? how about maru severely outperforming flash for the last half year?
In what world is join date not an indicator of experience? Please tell me if I'm wrong, but chances are you weren't around for Flash's dominance in Brood War and therefore can't see Flash's talent in proper context.
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On December 24 2013 10:20 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:20 opterown wrote:
being condescending only makes you look like a dick, it doesn't help your argument, join date is no indicator of experience in the sports scene.
no indicator? how about maru severely outperforming flash for the last half year? In what world is join date not an indicator of experience? Please tell me if I'm wrong, but chances are you weren't around for Flash's dominance in Brood War and therefore can't see Flash's talent in proper context.
How is brood war dominance "proper context" for a debate about who is a better SC2 player?
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On December 24 2013 10:20 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:20 opterown wrote:
being condescending only makes you look like a dick, it doesn't help your argument, join date is no indicator of experience in the sports scene.
no indicator? how about maru severely outperforming flash for the last half year? In what world is join date not an indicator of experience? Please tell me if I'm wrong, but chances are you weren't around for Flash's dominance in Brood War and therefore can't see Flash's talent in proper context.
HEY I KNOW post count is an indicator of experience, therefore me >>> you
am i doing this right
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On December 24 2013 10:20 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:20 opterown wrote:
being condescending only makes you look like a dick, it doesn't help your argument, join date is no indicator of experience in the sports scene.
no indicator? how about maru severely outperforming flash for the last half year? In what world is join date not an indicator of experience? Please tell me if I'm wrong, but chances are you weren't around for Flash's dominance in Brood War and therefore can't see Flash's talent in proper context.
It's entirely possible that people lurked for many years prior to creating a TL account.
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On December 24 2013 10:15 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog last couple of hours, but really it is just too hard at the moment. I just realized, that we have not seen many of these players for even several months and there's really not enough data to go by. I wonder how they do the FPL rankings, cause it's really gonna be hard. I guess there will be a lot of bargain deals, but also a lot of overrated players. + Show Spoiler [If anyone wonders what I came up with] + CJ_herO over sOs? Classic over Liquid`HerO? Parting, DRG and Hydra in the top 10 at all? Meh.
Yes. One of the easier decisions.
Again, yes. Classic is actually like really seriously good, imo better than any of the 'IM protosses'.
Parting is debatable, problem is I dunno who could be argued to take his spot. DRG I am not sure, last time I saw him was Code S and in there he seeemed like he is returning to his former glory days. Hydra is currently one of the top10 players in SPL for sure, maybe I am govong too much credit to KR open qualifiers, but those tournaments are hard as hell, the hardest online events in the world without a doubt and CJ players (herO and Hydra in particular) are dominating them last month or two.
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On December 24 2013 10:32 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 10:15 Acrofales wrote:On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog last couple of hours, but really it is just too hard at the moment. I just realized, that we have not seen many of these players for even several months and there's really not enough data to go by. I wonder how they do the FPL rankings, cause it's really gonna be hard. I guess there will be a lot of bargain deals, but also a lot of overrated players. + Show Spoiler [If anyone wonders what I came up with] + CJ_herO over sOs? Classic over Liquid`HerO? Parting, DRG and Hydra in the top 10 at all? Meh. Yes. One of the easier decisions. Again, yes. Classic is actually like really seriously good, imo better than any of the 'IM protosses'. Parting is debatable, problem is I dunno who could be argued to take his spot. DRG I am not sure, last time I saw him was Code S and in there he seeemed like he is returning to his former glory days. Hydra is currently one of the top10 players in SPL for sure, maybe I am govong too much credit to KR open qualifiers, but those tournaments are hard as hell, the hardest online events in the world without a doubt and CJ players (herO and Hydra in particular) are dominating them last month or two.
Classic looked questionable against Creator in preseason, although that's not much of a metric. He probably deserves that spot. Agreed on CJ_herO seeing as he's been on a tear recently but we'll see
Hydra has been doing well in qualifiers and Parting should probably be in that position given recent play. DRG is a bit of a mystery.
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On December 24 2013 10:32 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 10:15 Acrofales wrote:On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog last couple of hours, but really it is just too hard at the moment. I just realized, that we have not seen many of these players for even several months and there's really not enough data to go by. I wonder how they do the FPL rankings, cause it's really gonna be hard. I guess there will be a lot of bargain deals, but also a lot of overrated players. + Show Spoiler [If anyone wonders what I came up with] + CJ_herO over sOs? Classic over Liquid`HerO? Parting, DRG and Hydra in the top 10 at all? Meh. Yes. One of the easier decisions. Again, yes. Classic is actually like really seriously good, imo better than any of the 'IM protosses'.Parting is debatable, problem is I dunno who could be argued to take his spot. DRG I am not sure, last time I saw him was Code S and in there he seeemed like he is returning to his former glory days. Hydra is currently one of the top10 players in SPL for sure, maybe I am govong too much credit to KR open qualifiers, but those tournaments are hard as hell, the hardest online events in the world without a doubt and CJ players (herO and Hydra in particular) are dominating them last month or two.
I keep hearing about how good Classic is, but I haven't really seen much of note tbh. He's kind of like Stats where people swear up and down he's good but all I remember from the two are some good SPL performances. Is there anything else I'm missing?
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Parting didn't do super hot last season but he only joined when HotS started and he clearly needed a little time to get used to hots. Hydra had some rounds where he did sick (round 2 I'm thinking, also great vP record overall), but other rounds where he was mediocre. Both herO and sOs were awesome last season, sOs was more so but herO has the momentum going for him. Classic I still belieeeveeee in and hope he won't crash after such a great last half season.
E: yeah Classic's PL performance was by far his best so far in SC2 and other tournaments haven't been so kind to him. You just gotta belieeeeveeee
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On December 24 2013 10:51 Sorata wrote:
no first?
:'(
Yeah that's probably one of the more puzzling/disappointing ones
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Expecting Yoda and First to carry IM and they are not even listed. T_T
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On December 24 2013 10:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 10:32 Ammanas wrote:On December 24 2013 10:15 Acrofales wrote:On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog last couple of hours, but really it is just too hard at the moment. I just realized, that we have not seen many of these players for even several months and there's really not enough data to go by. I wonder how they do the FPL rankings, cause it's really gonna be hard. I guess there will be a lot of bargain deals, but also a lot of overrated players. + Show Spoiler [If anyone wonders what I came up with] + CJ_herO over sOs? Classic over Liquid`HerO? Parting, DRG and Hydra in the top 10 at all? Meh. Yes. One of the easier decisions. Again, yes. Classic is actually like really seriously good, imo better than any of the 'IM protosses'.Parting is debatable, problem is I dunno who could be argued to take his spot. DRG I am not sure, last time I saw him was Code S and in there he seeemed like he is returning to his former glory days. Hydra is currently one of the top10 players in SPL for sure, maybe I am govong too much credit to KR open qualifiers, but those tournaments are hard as hell, the hardest online events in the world without a doubt and CJ players (herO and Hydra in particular) are dominating them last month or two. I keep hearing about how good Classic is, but I haven't really seen much of note tbh. He's kind of like Stats where people swear up and down he's good but all I remember from the two are some good SPL performances. Is there anything else I'm missing?
The thing is, as opposed to Stats, Classic has only switched to P for HotS and he was performing as one of the best. He was definitely Top 3 Protoss in Proleague for HotS, and I believe (although I am not 100% sure as I am only going with my memory) when you take only HotS Proleague matches, he actually has better stats then both Rain and sOs. Not sure whether JangBi was better or not though.
As for Stats - I dunno, I personally think Zest is better P on KT and I was not really impressed by Stats that much tbh. Classic was definitely more impressive, that's for sure.
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On December 24 2013 10:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 10:32 Ammanas wrote:On December 24 2013 10:15 Acrofales wrote:On December 24 2013 09:42 Ammanas wrote:I was trying to create an SPL power rank for my blog last couple of hours, but really it is just too hard at the moment. I just realized, that we have not seen many of these players for even several months and there's really not enough data to go by. I wonder how they do the FPL rankings, cause it's really gonna be hard. I guess there will be a lot of bargain deals, but also a lot of overrated players. + Show Spoiler [If anyone wonders what I came up with] + CJ_herO over sOs? Classic over Liquid`HerO? Parting, DRG and Hydra in the top 10 at all? Meh. Yes. One of the easier decisions. Again, yes. Classic is actually like really seriously good, imo better than any of the 'IM protosses'.Parting is debatable, problem is I dunno who could be argued to take his spot. DRG I am not sure, last time I saw him was Code S and in there he seeemed like he is returning to his former glory days. Hydra is currently one of the top10 players in SPL for sure, maybe I am govong too much credit to KR open qualifiers, but those tournaments are hard as hell, the hardest online events in the world without a doubt and CJ players (herO and Hydra in particular) are dominating them last month or two. I keep hearing about how good Classic is, but I haven't really seen much of note tbh. He's kind of like Stats where people swear up and down he's good but all I remember from the two are some good SPL performances. Is there anything else I'm missing?
He went 16-4 in Proleague after changing races
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I'd rank based on how well they would do in Proleague, how clutch he is & how often does he play ace, not utterly skill-wise.
In that department Flash is the undisputed n1 player. Also look at hydra, he fucked up badly in like 2 or 3 rounds and still posted a top 10 results cuz hes extremely streaky. Meanwhile SoulKey being the arguably best skillwise ranked 14th or something, same for PartinG
So yeah my list would be 1. Flash 2. herO 3. Rain 4. sOs. 5. hydra 6. Maru 7. Classic 8. SoulKey 9. RorO 10. DRG
Well bring FPL on already. Cant wait to go full CJ with captain Fantasy yet again
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On December 24 2013 10:16 Darkhoarse wrote:
Opterown is really the TL Sherlock Holmes.
not even close
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Last time flash had this much doubters he then went to 6 Individual League Finals, won Proleague and a WCG. Prepare thyselves, He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
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there is about a 99% chance Sora is going to be on my FPL team.
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Wow, no first nor Yoda for IM, and no Puzzle, Crazy_Hydra nor BarrakS for KT?
I heard first and Yoda were maybe moving to WCS EU, but any news on the 3 KT players? It's quite a big blow to their roster imo!
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no Puzzle no First ang Yoda i dont think their retirement, so sad
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Damn, this off season is killing me. Most of the year, I'm usually too busy to watch too much Starcraft, but that's exactly when all the big tournaments are going on. Now I finally have some time on my hands for the holidays, and now there's no Starcraft.
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Crazy-Hydra and First gone?! Wowow
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SKT looking fucking beast
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On December 24 2013 12:00 iLoveKT wrote:
Last time flash had this much doubters he then went to 6 Individual League Finals, won Proleague and a WCG. Prepare thyselves, He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
But his kingdom WILL have an end, and it's name is PartinG!
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Poor Prime without Maru i just cant see them being a factor.
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On December 24 2013 12:00 iLoveKT wrote:
Last time flash had this much doubters he then went to 6 Individual League Finals, won Proleague and a WCG. Prepare thyselves, He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
Last time flash had this many doubters he was playing a game he had talent at ;o
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still mostly protoss! lol but there are some good zergs too . as always 2 few terrans
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No first. When does all the fun begin?
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KassiA on prime? hell yes!
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YoDa and First leave IM ? Liquipedia said yes but I did not see an official announcement...
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What!? First Kangho now Yoda and First too? Please no, what's going on at IM? =/
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On December 24 2013 18:31 Aeromi wrote:
YoDa and First leave IM ? Liquipedia said yes but I did not see an official announcement...
We don't know yet what's up with them, Liquipedia shouldn't say they left yet (And doesn't? As far as I can see). There's a pretty good chance they might've left though (In my opinion), but we'll see.
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Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
The person who made those edits used this Proleague thread as a source for YoDa and First leaving IM. Right now the Liquipedia people are debating as to whether or not this thread is an accurate enough source.
None of his edits have been okayed yet. So nothing is official. It is still a pending status.
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On December 24 2013 01:37 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 01:36 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 01:23 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 01:20 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 01:15 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 01:00 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:59 Seeker wrote:On December 24 2013 00:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 24 2013 00:31 NFxJehuty wrote:
Why is there a 'c' near some players names? It stands for Captain EDIT : Seeker too fast lookfirewood even faster Are we that noob ? we? Don't group me together with you scrub. Oh yeah i forgot you were a SKT fan :p lol. This and that are totally different. I'm just an all around more of a superior person than you are. + Show Spoiler + All that appreciation for your translation work is getting to your head, man. + Show Spoiler + SKT best KT vs KT best KT. Looking forward to 2014 SPL
Awww i'm late to respond but i'm learning korean to overcome yourself and be a better person
On December 24 2013 04:31 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:25 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 04:23 Ctesias wrote:On December 24 2013 04:17 BisuDagger wrote:On December 24 2013 03:53 Keeemy wrote:On December 24 2013 03:49 duckmaster wrote:
SKT, KT and CJ seem to me like a clear top 3. The gap between them and the rest seems pretty massive. JinAir >>>>>> KT That's how I feel. JAGW looks way stronger. KT may do well but on paper that look terrible. For me, Flash/Ty/Stats/Zest is better than sOs/Maru/Pigbaby/(Cure?). Still, SKT and CJ should be clear favorites. TRUE and Savage are better than Stats and pretty equal with Zest IMO. Both zergs have been in Code S recently and are really good in team leagues especially. CoCa also looking really good lately. Terminator is really good too. KT has bad zergs, decent protosses. Flash and TY are really strong though. Plus Maru and sOs are better than anyone on KT so... To add to this well constructed reply. If you are playing KT then you know what their lineup is. And after the first round it gets easier to send out counter lineups if you are a good coach. Think down the line instead of what's in front of you.
It's sad to say you are right. Also i don't sOs is that strong. I don't know why but i feel i plays so sneeky that we will be figured out by the PL monster. But KT lineup is way too predictable. Maru isn't the kind of player to prepare a lot (i think ?) so i don't know if he will do that well in PL but he is still a VERY GOOD player. Stats and Zest are good but... we don't know their current form. The pre-season would not have been taken seriously by the power house and i think that all of PL veteran team didn't show full strenght/playstyle/builds.
While looking at the rosters i don't see Jin air over CJ. They have good players that know have a BEAST of a coach for PL. People tends to forget that PL involves skill of the player but it involes too : "Choices of coach", "Snipers", "Crazy map abuse" etc...
You just don't win PL with the most talented player. Coach decision and snipers are a really important part to it.
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On December 23 2013 19:19 althaz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 18:06 Pandemona wrote:On December 23 2013 17:58 LimitSEA wrote:On December 23 2013 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
You Australians trying to re write the English language, ah bless. Won the ashes and now your kicking up a fuss as usual, ah well. Enjoy your time in the sun.... Didn't just win back the Ashes, mate, knocked a player or two into retirement, and finally got revenge on the humiliation of the passed four years. I'm really just hopeful that First and YoDa have moved to different regions with Nestea and Mvp moving back to Korea. Losing those two after already losing Losira would be such a blow. :/ Yeah you knocked our really good players into retirement...oh wait Can you knock Cook into retirement then we might have a nice squad going into the future ashes xD Bit harsh there on Swanny I reckon. He is/was a superb spin bowler. Got punished pretty severely in the last three tests, but wasn't necessarily terrible even so. EDIT: Oh yeah, what I actually came here for: Our Protoss lineup is looking incredible (which bodes well for PvProleague) and our Zerg lineup is more than solid with the masterful Soulkey and underrated SoO, but our Terran lineup looks wafer thin. Fantasy's progress stalled disappointingly after earlier looking like he'd finally live up to his promise and after that there's nobody who has proven themselves. Hopefully Oov can bring out the warrior we all know is buried deep within Fanta, if so, this could be a great season. Pretty pumped for this. Aussies smashing the Poms in the cricket, Liverpool top of the league and T1 have got to be red-hot favourites for the win in Proleague.
fantasy was sent out as ace on a protoss map last time. what are people talking about? are people expecting him to perform without playing matches?
On December 23 2013 22:48 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. haha this guy
what
On December 23 2013 22:48 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 22:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:27 Shellshock wrote:On December 23 2013 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:On December 23 2013 22:23 Grumbels wrote:Not enough terran. There's Flash. I don't know who else do you need ? Not to mention the #1 terran is also in SPL this season I know. I just said it. oh wow this is awkward... It's never good to be delusional
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional?
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The fact that Maru is good at the game they're playing, I guess
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@Veroleg Don't read to much into it, we were just friendly taunting each other
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But Flash will stomp Maru so hard that he will switch to candy crush.
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KT's strength is its unpredictability and clutchness, the height of this form is stats, at any given time he has the power to all kill 2 days in a row and the next week he would lose embarrassingly..
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On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional?
I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash.
Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA.
I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true.
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That is weirdly really accurate BR lol.
But stats doesn't concern me more than Zest... he's still too .. how to put this right. Inconsistent would be little general but i have nothing else
I'm always concerned that Zest / Wookie, or even sometime Stats because of all of his name changes
On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true.
No no no you are doing it wrong. It's a Hype thread (well... kind of since we don't have a PL thread yet). You have to say that X is better than X.
(Also Parting/Innovation/Life is kind of a hard group to pass...)
Also mister fanboy, everybody should love the SupplyBlock terran
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I do. I am just not delusional enough to say, he would objectively better than Maru. I´m still cheering for him against Maru though.
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On December 24 2013 22:01 Xoronius wrote:
I do. I am just not delusional enough to say, he would objectively better than Maru. I´m still cheering for him against Maru though.
As you should good sir.
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On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true.
Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc.
Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results.
If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru.
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opterown
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ahh, there goes little mr delusional again
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On December 24 2013 22:10 opterown wrote:
ahh, there goes little mr delusional again
If you didn't have a star you would have been warned/banned several insults ago.
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opterown
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actually, i wouldn't have lol, even if i wasn't staff and couldn't be reported.
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On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru.
He made it to the season finals -> he is clearly better than Flash.
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Puzzle and first missing. Thats a hard hit
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On December 24 2013 22:15 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru. He made it to the season finals -> he is clearly better than Flash.
Yes, he was during the last half year, but why is that a guarantee for him doing better in proleague? Flash is the more talented player and will do better given the chance to recover from his slump. And proleague caters to his strengths anyway.
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opterown
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^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is.
Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash?
I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances
I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru.
you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru
i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL.
plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol
Why does Flash have so many anti-fans?
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On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru.
By the margin of a bo3? I´m not sure, which tournament you mean (WCS Kor season 2 or 3) but Maru made it at least 2 rounds further than Flash in both of them. And Flash was never in a slump, he constantly finished at the same place in all three seasons. You say Flash did terribly at IEM, but guess what, doing terribly does´nt make you better than people who don´t. "Mediocre for his entire career"? Yes, because he was a kid. Most good chess players start playing the game, when they are 6 or something like that. Would you say, someone, who reaches his GM-title with an age of 20 had "14 years of mediocre results"? Probably not. He "just qualified for the season finals"? Yes, he qualified because he did BETTER. And I adressed the "more chances to play" earlier, it simply is´nt true, as Flash did travel to foreign tournaments, while Maru did´nt.
Personally I don´t think Jaedong is better than all other zergs out there (a top zerg, but not the top zerg), but ,other than Maru, Jaedongs successes were´nt in the hardest tournament in the world.
Which former form are you talking about? The season 3 ro16 form? The season 2 ro16 form? The season 1 ro16 form? It´s not that Flash ever got as high as Maru currently is in this game.
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On December 24 2013 22:20 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:15 sharkie wrote:On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru. He made it to the season finals -> he is clearly better than Flash. Yes, he was during the last half year, but why is that a guarantee for him doing better in proleague? Flash is the more talented player and will do better given the chance to recover from his slump. And proleague caters to his strengths anyway.
I doubt many will say Maru will do better than Flash in PROLEAGUE. Proleague is Flash's forte. I am sure he will be the best terran again.
But Maru will almost definitely have a better season than Flash (in individual leagues). And I dont think you can say Flash is more talented than Maru (Maru is young).
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On December 24 2013 22:20 Grumbels wrote:
Yes, he was during the last half year, but why is that a guarantee for him doing better in proleague? Flash is the more talented player and will do better given the chance to recover from his slump. And proleague caters to his strengths anyway.
Flash being the more talented player is an assumption/opinion (and a wrong one as well in my eyes.)
Flash being in a slump is an assumption/opinion as well.
In this whole discussion you are leaning on assumptions/opinions and do´nt bring any evidence.
Neglect me in the following points:
The swedish protoss player MilkEA is the best player in the world. He is generally more talented than every single human being on this planet at starcraft. He is just in a slump since 2012-10-22, after he was already in a slump until 2012-10-20, so the only day he was´nt in a slump is 2012-10-21, where he won EU Zotac cup with a 3-0 in the finals. Whichever argument you may bring, I can say, that he is the more talented play, but is just currently in a slump. Every evidence you bring is just recently. Sounds wrong, does´nt it? But that is exactly the way you are discussing this right now.
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On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru.
Which tournament did Flash win? Hell, could you point me to a premier besides that one MLG (which Maru to my memory did not attend) where Flash made the Ro8 and/or looked like a legit potential winner? Further, what has Flash shown in SC2 to make you think he is more talented than Maru at this game?
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On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Show nested quote +Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? Show nested quote +I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances Show nested quote +you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol
I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru.
And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread.
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lol @ Flash doubters.
Anybody else find it amusing that Prime's trouble is that they have too many B-teamers and not enough aces, and so they randomly pick up 3 more B-teamers?
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opterown
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your belief that flash is the fundamentally better player is the one that's delusional, that's what, and the clear amount of opposition against that belief in this thread should suggest that to you. of course, if you do end up right, you're welcome to crow about it and be insufferable all you want, but for now, that's everyone else's job.
On December 24 2013 22:39 LightSpectra wrote:
Anybody else find it amusing that Prime's trouble is that they have too many B-teamers and not enough aces, and so they randomly pick up 3 more B-teamers?
what else are you supposed to do with no money
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Being a fundamentally better player, one would think, should at least have led to comparable performances at any given point in HotS. This hasn't been the case at all, despite Flash having had 9 months and foreign tournaments at his disposal.
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On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread.
Yeah... you're wrong, have been shown to be factually wrong on a number of accounts in this thread already and are still persisting. We know you're a diehard Flash fanboi, and calling Flash anything other than the second coming of Jesus will send you into a frothy rage, but can you just acknowledge that you are slightly biased and may be a little bit wrong?
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On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA.
DRG and Curious would probably be the favorite against Maru too; they're among the best ZvT in the world so I don't see how losing them is proof of anything. His second loss against MMA in their bo3 was simply a build order loss. Flash had a bad Dreamhack, yes, but a bad showing happens to everyone; Maru didn't do well at the Season 2 Finals either, while skill-wise he was a championship contender. I'm fairly sure Flash would have made it at least once to the RO8 in Code S had he not systematically be placed into groups of death each time.
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On December 24 2013 22:41 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. DRG and Curious would probably be the favorite against Maru too; they're among the best ZvT in the world so I don't see how losing them is proof of anything. His second loss against MMA in their bo3 was simply a build order loss. Flash had a bad Dreamhack, yes, but a bad showing happens to everyone; Maru didn't do well at the Season 2 Finals either, while skill-wise he was a championship contender. I'm fairly sure Flash would have made it at least once to the RO8 in Code S had he not systematically be placed into groups of death each time.
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea.
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On December 24 2013 22:37 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru. Which tournament did Flash win? Hell, could you point me to a premier besides that one MLG (which Maru to my memory did not attend) where Flash made the Ro8 and/or looked like a legit potential winner? Further, what has Flash shown in SC2 to make you think he is more talented than Maru at this game?
1st 2011 ABC Mart MSL
1st 2010 WCG Grand Finals
1st 2010 Korean Air Starleague Season 2
1st 2010 Bigfile MSL
2nd 2010 WCG 2010 Korea Championship
1st 2010 Hana Daetoo Securities MSL
2nd 2010 Korean Air Starleague 2010
2nd 2010 NATE MSL
1st 2010 EVER Starleague 2009
1st 2009 GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic Season 3
2nd 2008 GOMTV TG Sambo-Intel Classic Season 1
1st 2008 TG Sambo/Intel Classic Preseason Invitational
1st 2008 XNote GOMTV Star Invitational
1st 2008 Bacchus OSL
He looked like he was going to eventually reach that level in early to mid 2013 (see proleague). Obviously he didn't perform up to expectations in late 2013 and was sidetracked, but is one slump enough to doubt him?
On December 24 2013 22:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. Yeah... you're wrong, have been shown to be factually wrong on a number of accounts in this thread already and are still persisting. We know you're a diehard Flash fanboi, and calling Flash anything other than the second coming of Jesus will send you into a frothy rage, but can you just acknowledge that you are slightly biased and may be a little bit wrong?
Wrong on what occasions? Please tell me.
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On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread.
If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational.
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opterown
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haha that BW history, highly relevant
On December 24 2013 22:44 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational.
i actually don't dislike zealously fyi, we're good mates, just sometimes his fandom can get irritating (although he'll say the same of me lol)
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On December 24 2013 22:41 Zealously wrote:
Being a fundamentally better player, one would think, should at least have led to comparable performances at any given point in HotS. This hasn't been the case at all, despite Flash having had 9 months and foreign tournaments at his disposal.
Flash had the best record in Proleague, and considering his status on KT Rolster, pretty much every player in Korea was prepping to snipe him. There's no reason to solely focus on individual leagues.
Besides, at the very beginning of HotS, he was probably the best player in the world next to Life. Remember that silver he got at MLG?
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opterown
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at the very beginning of WoL. Rainbow was probably the best player in the world next to Fruitdealer, am I doing this right.
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Flash will do better than maru IF he has peak form? I would bet that Flash will be around 50% winrate at the end of proleague (if he isn't lucky and only plays the more "mediocre" players, which is unlikely in the current bo5 format).
Flash is the better player in BW but that doesn't mean he is the better player in any game you can think of, why would you even think that?
Maru is CLEARLY the more talented sc2 player and if he doesn't slump he will be the best terran in the upcoming proleague.
Just look at Flash games in sc2, he has mediocre micro and if you play terran in sc2 you need good micro to be a championship contender, all Flash has is good macro, that isn't enough.
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On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea.
Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream.
Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run.
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On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:41 TheDwf wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. DRG and Curious would probably be the favorite against Maru too; they're among the best ZvT in the world so I don't see how losing them is proof of anything. His second loss against MMA in their bo3 was simply a build order loss. Flash had a bad Dreamhack, yes, but a bad showing happens to everyone; Maru didn't do well at the Season 2 Finals either, while skill-wise he was a championship contender. I'm fairly sure Flash would have made it at least once to the RO8 in Code S had he not systematically be placed into groups of death each time. Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea.
Exactly why are you stupidly agressive when I never said anything about Maru having "easy groups"? The fact the competition is tough doesn't mean there aren't harder groups than others. See for instance the polls here or here.
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On December 24 2013 22:47 opterown wrote:
at the very beginning of WoL. Rainbow was probably the best player in the world next to Fruitdealer, am I doing this right.
He did say "at any given point in HotS". He probably shouldn't have used those words if they directly contradicted his argument.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 24 2013 22:44 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:37 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru. Which tournament did Flash win? Hell, could you point me to a premier besides that one MLG (which Maru to my memory did not attend) where Flash made the Ro8 and/or looked like a legit potential winner? Further, what has Flash shown in SC2 to make you think he is more talented than Maru at this game? 1st 2011 ABC Mart MSL 1st 2010 WCG Grand Finals 1st 2010 Korean Air Starleague Season 2 1st 2010 Bigfile MSL 2nd 2010 WCG 2010 Korea Championship 1st 2010 Hana Daetoo Securities MSL 2nd 2010 Korean Air Starleague 2010 2nd 2010 NATE MSL 1st 2010 EVER Starleague 2009 1st 2009 GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic Season 3 2nd 2008 GOMTV TG Sambo-Intel Classic Season 1 1st 2008 TG Sambo/Intel Classic Preseason Invitational 1st 2008 XNote GOMTV Star Invitational 1st 2008 Bacchus OSL .
Yeah, I think you're done
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On December 24 2013 22:41 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. DRG and Curious would probably be the favorite against Maru too; they're among the best ZvT in the world so I don't see how losing them is proof of anything. His second loss against MMA in their bo3 was simply a build order loss. Flash had a bad Dreamhack, yes, but a bad showing happens to everyone; Maru didn't do well at the Season 2 Finals either, while skill-wise he was a championship contender. I'm fairly sure Flash would have made it at least once to the RO8 in Code S had he not systematically be placed into groups of death each time.
Losing to them is´nt proof of anything, I was just posting a conmplete list. And making it to the ro8 once would still be far away from Marus accomplishments, so even if that would have hypothetically happened, it would´nt have fundamentally disproved my general point either.
On December 24 2013 22:44 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:37 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 22:06 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 21:54 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 20:13 Veroleg wrote:
in what way is thinking maru being better than flash not delusional? I wrote a post about that on page 15. Grumbels did´nt respond to it, probably because he could´nt, without admitting, that Maru is, in fact better than Flash. Short summary: Maru made 5 WCS/GSL semi-fianls in the last 6 months, Flash was´nt able to make a single WCS/GSL quarterfinal in his entire career. Flash attendet more international tournaments than Maru in this period, but each time he did, he got eliminated in the groupstages by DRG/Curious/YugiOh/DIMAGA/MMA. I can understand fanboyism to a certain extend, I am a GoOdy fanboy myself, but even I am not publicly stating, that he would be better than Maru, because that is simply not true. Realistically he only did better than Flash in two tournaments. One of them was by margin of a Bo3, another was during a slump by Flash. So was the IEM where Flash did terribly. Maru has been mediocre for his entire career except for recently. And his very recent results aren't even that good, with losses to Jaedong, Soulkey, hero, Dark. It's just that he qualified for the season finals, so he was given more chances to play and to qualify for blizzcon etc. Do you also think that Jaedong is better than all other zerg players by virtue of his foreign tournament successes? If you have the opportunity to play a lot of games you are going to accrue more results. If Flash can recover his form (and there is no reason why he shouldn't) then there is no reason for him to do worse in proleague than Maru. Which tournament did Flash win? Hell, could you point me to a premier besides that one MLG (which Maru to my memory did not attend) where Flash made the Ro8 and/or looked like a legit potential winner? Further, what has Flash shown in SC2 to make you think he is more talented than Maru at this game? 1st 2011 ABC Mart MSL 1st 2010 WCG Grand Finals 1st 2010 Korean Air Starleague Season 2 1st 2010 Bigfile MSL 2nd 2010 WCG 2010 Korea Championship 1st 2010 Hana Daetoo Securities MSL 2nd 2010 Korean Air Starleague 2010 2nd 2010 NATE MSL 1st 2010 EVER Starleague 2009 1st 2009 GOMTV Averatec Intel Classic Season 3 2nd 2008 GOMTV TG Sambo-Intel Classic Season 1 1st 2008 TG Sambo/Intel Classic Preseason Invitational 1st 2008 XNote GOMTV Star Invitational 1st 2008 Bacchus OSL He looked like he was going to eventually reach that level in early to mid 2013 (see proleague). Obviously he didn't perform up to expectations in late 2013 and was sidetracked, but is one slump enough to doubt him?
This is a different game. Should I now list Fatal1tys tournament wins to prove, that he is better than Flash at Brood war?
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Someone pick up Hyvaa to bolster your rolster, he's the best sniper and makes people play super safe.
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On December 24 2013 22:46 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:41 Zealously wrote:
Being a fundamentally better player, one would think, should at least have led to comparable performances at any given point in HotS. This hasn't been the case at all, despite Flash having had 9 months and foreign tournaments at his disposal. Besides, at the very beginning of HotS, he was probably the best player in the world next to Life. Remember that silver he got at MLG?
He was better than others in one day. Doesnt make him the best player in the world next to Life
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opterown
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On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run.
Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha
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On December 24 2013 22:45 opterown wrote:haha that BW history, highly relevant Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:44 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational. i actually don't dislike zealously fyi, we're good mates, just sometimes his fandom can get irritating (although he'll say the same of me lol)
I did´nt want to imply you disliking Zealously at all, sorry if that came over wrong. I was just saying, that your fandom very rarely came to the same conclusion, so if you two agree, it is probably about something rational.
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On December 24 2013 22:52 Ovid wrote:
Someone pick up Hyvaa to bolster your rolster, he's the best sniper and makes people play super safe.
Unfortunately he retired.
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opterown
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On December 24 2013 22:52 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:45 opterown wrote:haha that BW history, highly relevant On December 24 2013 22:44 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational. i actually don't dislike zealously fyi, we're good mates, just sometimes his fandom can get irritating (although he'll say the same of me lol) I did´nt want to imply you disliking Zealously at all, sorry if that came over wrong. I was just saying, that your fandom very rarely came to the same conclusion, so if you two agree, it is probably about something rational.
eh we probably agree more often than not except st vs. prime haha ;p
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On December 24 2013 22:44 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational.
Here are some of the posts I was thinking of, not necessarily Zealously&opterown's posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something. On December 24 2013 07:50 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:41 ZAiNs wrote:On December 24 2013 06:14 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 06:12 LongShot27 wrote:On December 24 2013 06:09 redviper wrote:On December 24 2013 05:10 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 05:07 Zealously wrote:
I don't think we think that Maru is better than Flash, I'm pretty sure we know he is. I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. Haven't people been beating the Flash drum since last year? And yet he is totally invisible. I guess he won a few games in pro league but his team didn't even win the PL. Won the most games in proleague...I dont like flash that much but give him the respect he's earned But he didn't win anything. Winning games means nothing. Particularly if its only in PL. Winning tournaments deserves respect. Even Jaedong has now won something. JD gets flown all over the world to play in foreign tournaments and plays in easy WCS NA. Flash had to deal with a Parting Life Innovation RO16 group while Jaedong got 2-0d by theognis in the first round of WCS NA Challenger and dropped a game to Drunkenboi. Jaedong was looking for his motivation which he found. Flash chose the easy way with the high salary and taken care of team house. Give JD props for trying out something new. On December 24 2013 05:29 FeyFey wrote:
Well last proleague flash just had to scout a prepared protoss allin and defend them barely and then a-move over a clueless Protoss, so it looked like he is good. This year will be a bit tougher, atleast I hope so. On December 24 2013 05:30 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 05:17 Dodgin wrote:
Best part of proleague: Flash fans get to pretend he's good at the game. It may sound crazy but this might actually be the reason I did not miss PL at all... On December 24 2013 05:17 Dodgin wrote:
Best part of proleague: Flash fans get to pretend he's good at the game.
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On December 24 2013 22:52 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha
So we can arbitrary disregard every time when Flash 4-0s his group or has a dozen allkills in Proleague, but Maru, who has won exactly 1 (one) tournament ever, didn't have a miracle run? k.
Addendum: sorry, Maru did win another tournament. In February, he won the SUPER STACKED Asia Starcraft League, racking up an amazing hitlist of Yoyo, F91, MacSed, Sen, and finishing off his dominant mega-run of the ages by going 3-2 against BboongBbooong.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
can't flash fans employ a wait and see policy, or is really necessary to argue his condition.
right now, maru's results speak louder than flash's...Bringing up his BW achievements mean nothing here and now.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 24 2013 22:55 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:52 opterown wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha So we can arbitrary disregard every time when Flash 4-0s his group or has a dozen allkills in Proleague, but Maru, who has won exactly 1 (one) tournament ever, didn't have a miracle run? k. Addendum: sorry, Maru did win another tournament. In February, he won the SUPER STACKED Asia Starcraft League, racking up an amazing hitlist of Yoyo, F91, MacSed, Sen, and finishing off his dominant mega-run of the ages by going 3-2 against BboongBbooong.
I seem to recall a semifinal or five but maybe I'm wrong
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On December 24 2013 22:55 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:52 opterown wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha So we can arbitrary disregard every time when Flash 4-0s his group or has a dozen allkills in Proleague, but Maru, who has won exactly 1 (one) tournament ever, didn't have a miracle run? k. Addendum: sorry, Maru did win another tournament. In February, he won the SUPER STACKED Asia Starcraft League, racking up an amazing hitlist of Yoyo, F91, MacSed, Sen, and finishing off his dominant mega-run of the ages by going 3-2 against BboongBbooong.
So Maru's win was a miracle run BUT Flash's MLG run is proof of his ability.
Right.
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Okay so Flash sucks, but what if he joined Prime?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
On December 24 2013 22:59 Epamynondas wrote:
Okay so Flash sucks, but what if he joined Prime?
wat
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On December 24 2013 22:57 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:55 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:52 opterown wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha So we can arbitrary disregard every time when Flash 4-0s his group or has a dozen allkills in Proleague, but Maru, who has won exactly 1 (one) tournament ever, didn't have a miracle run? k. Addendum: sorry, Maru did win another tournament. In February, he won the SUPER STACKED Asia Starcraft League, racking up an amazing hitlist of Yoyo, F91, MacSed, Sen, and finishing off his dominant mega-run of the ages by going 3-2 against BboongBbooong. I seem to recall a semifinal or five but maybe I'm wrong
Maru's a good player, and nobody is saying otherwise. But aside from his miracle run, he's not racking up any huge achievements, and in the context of the whole of 2013, he hasn't really shown himself to be a super dominant player that's leagues ahead of Flash, as many here seem to be painting the portrait as.
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opterown
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exactly how many all-kills does flash have in SC2?
2 all-kills, one of EG-TL, another of CJ compared to Maru's 1 all-kill, a 6-0 of StarTale -> hardly something you split either way.
exactly how many 4-0's does flash have in SC2?
1
haha this guy. you should check stats before spouting stuff off.
On December 24 2013 23:00 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:57 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 22:55 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:52 opterown wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha So we can arbitrary disregard every time when Flash 4-0s his group or has a dozen allkills in Proleague, but Maru, who has won exactly 1 (one) tournament ever, didn't have a miracle run? k. Addendum: sorry, Maru did win another tournament. In February, he won the SUPER STACKED Asia Starcraft League, racking up an amazing hitlist of Yoyo, F91, MacSed, Sen, and finishing off his dominant mega-run of the ages by going 3-2 against BboongBbooong. I seem to recall a semifinal or five but maybe I'm wrong Maru's a good player, and nobody is saying otherwise. But aside from his miracle run, he's not racking up any huge achievements, and in the context of the whole of 2013, he hasn't really shown himself to be a super dominant player that's leagues ahead of Flash, as many here seem to be painting the portrait as.
yeahhh you hold pretty delusional beliefs too
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On December 24 2013 22:59 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:55 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:52 opterown wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha So we can arbitrary disregard every time when Flash 4-0s his group or has a dozen allkills in Proleague, but Maru, who has won exactly 1 (one) tournament ever, didn't have a miracle run? k. Addendum: sorry, Maru did win another tournament. In February, he won the SUPER STACKED Asia Starcraft League, racking up an amazing hitlist of Yoyo, F91, MacSed, Sen, and finishing off his dominant mega-run of the ages by going 3-2 against BboongBbooong. So Maru's win was a miracle run BUT Flash's MLG run is proof of his ability. Right.
That was just to counter the ridiculous claim that Flash was never good at "any part of HotS". I think the real proof of his skill is his Proleague performance. He hasn't had a particular hit in individual leagues, but literally nobody can name a single player that's had overall harder groups than he has, except maybe PartinG.
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On December 24 2013 23:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:59 Epamynondas wrote:
Okay so Flash sucks, but what if he joined Prime? wat
Sssh, i'm trying to get opertown to switch sides on this argument. But don't tell anyone.
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On December 24 2013 22:54 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:52 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 22:45 opterown wrote:haha that BW history, highly relevant On December 24 2013 22:44 Xoronius wrote:On December 24 2013 22:38 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:^ ah, but that's not what you have been saying, you started this by saying that flash is outright better than maru, we're here to show you how delusional that perception is. Maru does well for three months after three years of middling performances and people think he's better than Flash? I'm just saying that you shouldn't overrate Maru and sOs based on recent performances I'd easily bet for Flash to do better this season than Maru. you don't write off Flash after one slump and that he is considerably more talented than Maru i think flash may do better than maru in PL, but flash is not better than maru, nor is he guaranteed to do better as you've been saying. being a better player does not guarantee you a better record in PL. plus you follow up with this ridiculous question lol Why does Flash have so many anti-fans? I believe that Flash is the fundamentally better player, that doesn't mean he is always going to have better form than Maru. What did I say that was inconsistent? Maru's play improved, and he did better (and played better) than Flash for a period of a few months, although some of that is because he had more chances to show his skill, however it's highly questionable whether he can maintain peak form and I also believe that if Flash returns to peak ability he will be better than Maru and that this will be evidenced by him doing better in PL than Maru. And Flash having anti-fans is obvious when you look at many posts in this thread. If you have the time to go through my post history to check for quotes then surely you can check for anti-Flash comments in this thread. If 99% of the posts say, that Maru>Flash and 1% say Flash>Maru, than 99% of the forum users are Flash anti-fans. There is no way, that the 1% are Flash fanboys, right? There is no anti-fanboyism here, we are just defending the obvious truth. If opterown and Zealously, Startale and Prime are standing united against your opinion, that is a high indicator, that your opinion is just irrational. i actually don't dislike zealously fyi, we're good mates, just sometimes his fandom can get irritating (although he'll say the same of me lol) I did´nt want to imply you disliking Zealously at all, sorry if that came over wrong. I was just saying, that your fandom very rarely came to the same conclusion, so if you two agree, it is probably about something rational. eh we probably agree more often than not except st vs. prime haha ;p
Pssht, your ruining my point, just play along.
On December 24 2013 22:55 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:52 opterown wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Miracle run? people are still calling Maru's achievements miracle runs? haha So we can arbitrary disregard every time when Flash 4-0s his group or has a dozen allkills in Proleague, but Maru, who has won exactly 1 (one) tournament ever, didn't have a miracle run? k. Addendum: sorry, Maru did win another tournament. In February, he won the SUPER STACKED Asia Starcraft League, racking up an amazing hitlist of Yoyo, F91, MacSed, Sen, and finishing off his dominant mega-run of the ages by going 3-2 against BboongBbooong.
His "dozen" all-kills are exactly 2. And 4-0ing your group is not the same as winning your tournament, otherwise, I would have to go count Marus 4-0s as well and I am to lazy for that. And mentioning Maru´s "weak" victory at Asia Starcraft League, when Flash lost to every other korean attending Asian indoor games as well as a taiwanese player, is not that good of a point either.
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Ok let's bet, i bet that maru will have a better record in proleague than flash at the end of the season + better individual results aswell.
We could bet about a 2 months signature or something.
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On December 24 2013 23:03 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 23:00 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 24 2013 22:59 Epamynondas wrote:
Okay so Flash sucks, but what if he joined Prime? wat Sssh, i'm trying to get opertown to switch sides on this argument. But don't tell anyone.
ITS A DUMB ARGUMENT!
no really, it is, because the bottom line is SC2 community values Individual league performances to teamleague performances and flash while being very solid lacks a title while maru at least has one.
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On December 24 2013 23:01 opterown wrote:
exactly how many all-kills does flash have in SC2?
2 all-kills, one of EG-TL, another of CJ compared to Maru's 1 all-kill, a 6-0 of StarTale -> hardly something you split either way.
exactly how many 4-0's does flash have in SC2?
1
haha this guy. you should check stats before spouting stuff off.
Oops, he only went 4-0 once. Confused the memory of when he went 4-1 in the Ro32 in Season 3, and 2-0 (when they were Bo1) in OSL. So he crushed three groups, and proceeded to be placed in the hardest group in the Ro16 every time. I'm not saying any of those players that beat him were worse by any means, that's just the reason why he's a Ro16 hero this year.
Really, that's not any indication at all of his skill. Going 44-21 in Proleague is. By comparison, Bogus when he was the strongest he's ever been in his career went 43-20, Rain went 36-22, and sOs went 32-15. It's especially striking because Bogus, Rain, and sOs were all strong players on a really strong team, whereas Flash was the target of every sniper -- Zest and Stats were never really seen as big as threats as he was.
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Flash may not be the best player , but he will still probably get the most win award or be close for it just , because of his experience and hard work . It would be a big shocker if he is out of top 3 or 5 in Proleague . He has been there from like what ever since he joined Proleague ? Maru could probably get top 10 .
Guys here are mistaken the format of the leagues , one is a 2-3 day tournament the other is an year long , there is a difference .
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Screw you guys, you killed Grumbels. ..for two weeks
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So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch?
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On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch?
Sora4MVP
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On December 24 2013 23:12 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Screw you guys, you killed Grumbels. ..for two weeks
Damn it, now I feel bad. Still taking it as a victory, though.
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This thread is awesome but I think that Maru is better than Flash.
Anyway, I really want to see Sora in PL !
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On December 24 2013 23:12 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Screw you guys, you killed Grumbels. ..for two weeks
He suicided because he couldn't deal with Flash not actually being the God of SC2. I'm sorry he couldn't deal with the truth, but /shrug.
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On December 24 2013 23:18 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 23:12 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Screw you guys, you killed Grumbels. ..for two weeks He suicided because he couldn't deal with Flash not actually being the God of SC2. I'm sorry he couldn't deal with the truth, but /shrug.
yeah because action is the real god of SC2.
+ Show Spoiler +The Godfather ![[image loading]](http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu62/Hier00/actionmafia.jpg)
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January 5 will be the date everyone shall look forward to.
KT vs Jinair. Maybe we will be blessed and see them play each other.
And who knows, if we're really lucky it might even be an Ace match
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On December 24 2013 23:23 sCuMBaG wrote:January 5 will be the date everyone shall look forward to. KT vs Jinair. Maybe we will be blessed and see them play each other. And who knows, if we're really lucky it might even be an Ace match
nonsense, KT will 3-0(its Bo5 right?) without flash getting to play.
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On December 24 2013 23:23 sCuMBaG wrote:January 5 will be the date everyone shall look forward to. KT vs Jinair. Maybe we will be blessed and see them play each other. And who knows, if we're really lucky it might even be an Ace match
And then the game will be decided by the most anticlimatic stuff ever, like 11/11 vs CC first.
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On December 24 2013 23:25 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 23:23 sCuMBaG wrote:January 5 will be the date everyone shall look forward to. KT vs Jinair. Maybe we will be blessed and see them play each other. And who knows, if we're really lucky it might even be an Ace match And then the game will be decided by the most anticlimatic stuff ever, like 11/11 vs CC first.
You mean Maru is a planning genius who knows that Flash likes greedy openings and abused it for a victory?
hehehehehehe
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meh, the last few pages of this thread are really stupid.
On one side there are people claiming Maru is CLEARLY better player than Flash, while others claim otherwise. One side is completely disregarding Marus achievments in individual leagues, while the other is disregarding Flashs achievments in Proleague.
The fact is, Maru is coming into the SPL season as a more accomplished player in HotS. On the other hand, everybody knows how hard working Flash really is. And to be honest, there is not that much difference between the two of them as far as how good they are when you are watching their games. It is hardly surprising though, it is a long known fact, that on a good day anyone from the Korean Top30 can beat anyone else and make it look easy.
As far as Proleague goes, the format plays into Flashes strength, but imo same can be said about Maru. In the end it will all come down to how well the teams manage to prepare their players, as Proleague is about more then just a skill of the player...
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On December 25 2013 00:33 Ammanas wrote:
meh, the last few pages of this thread are really stupid.
On one side there are people claiming Maru is CLEARLY better player than Flash, while others claim otherwise. One side is completely disregarding Marus achievments in individual leagues, while the other is disregarding Flashs achievments in Proleague.
The fact is, Maru is coming into the SPL season as a more accomplished player in HotS. On the other hand, everybody knows how hard working Flash really is. And to be honest, there is not that much difference between the two of them as far as how good they are when you are watching their games. It is hardly surprising though, it is a long known fact, that on a good day anyone from the Korean Top30 can beat anyone else and make it look easy.
As far as Proleague goes, the format plays into Flashes strength, but imo same can be said about Maru. In the end it will all come down to how well the teams manage to prepare their players, as Proleague is about more then just a skill of the player...
What? Flash has such mediocre micro it kinda hurts me everytime i see him vs banelings, maru on the other hand plays pure bio vs a maxed toss and doesn't look all that bad with it. You can't really look at the proleague stats cause a lot of strong players didn't even play in that league. well i guess we will see soon enough what the skilllevels really are!
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On December 24 2013 23:12 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Screw you guys, you killed Grumbels. ..for two weeks
He requested it I don't feel bad.
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Flash is good but uninspiring... I feel like he is good from hard work, but lacks any meaningful amount of talent. Like, I remember maru's 3-way circular surround on rain(?) that absolutely wrecked the toss army. A beautiful engagement and exceptional micro in almost every game. Flash is good, but I've yet to see a moment from flash that makes me think- 'hooooooly shit he's good at this game'
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Same thought about Flash. Flash was/is a god in BW. But those days are over.
I have seen more magnificent control, beautiful engagements and multitasking from Maru.
I stick with Maru untill Flash proves me wrong.
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On December 25 2013 00:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 00:33 Ammanas wrote:
meh, the last few pages of this thread are really stupid.
On one side there are people claiming Maru is CLEARLY better player than Flash, while others claim otherwise. One side is completely disregarding Marus achievments in individual leagues, while the other is disregarding Flashs achievments in Proleague.
The fact is, Maru is coming into the SPL season as a more accomplished player in HotS. On the other hand, everybody knows how hard working Flash really is. And to be honest, there is not that much difference between the two of them as far as how good they are when you are watching their games. It is hardly surprising though, it is a long known fact, that on a good day anyone from the Korean Top30 can beat anyone else and make it look easy.
As far as Proleague goes, the format plays into Flashes strength, but imo same can be said about Maru. In the end it will all come down to how well the teams manage to prepare their players, as Proleague is about more then just a skill of the player... What? Flash has such mediocre micro it kinda hurts me everytime i see him vs banelings, maru on the other hand plays pure bio vs a maxed toss and doesn't look all that bad with it. You can't really look at the proleague stats cause a lot of strong players didn't even play in that league. well i guess we will see soon enough what the skilllevels really are!
Maru has better micro indeed, but you cannot be the most or the second most successful TvZ player, as Flash was during several months, on the back of "mediocre micro".
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On December 25 2013 01:35 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 00:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 25 2013 00:33 Ammanas wrote:
meh, the last few pages of this thread are really stupid.
On one side there are people claiming Maru is CLEARLY better player than Flash, while others claim otherwise. One side is completely disregarding Marus achievments in individual leagues, while the other is disregarding Flashs achievments in Proleague.
The fact is, Maru is coming into the SPL season as a more accomplished player in HotS. On the other hand, everybody knows how hard working Flash really is. And to be honest, there is not that much difference between the two of them as far as how good they are when you are watching their games. It is hardly surprising though, it is a long known fact, that on a good day anyone from the Korean Top30 can beat anyone else and make it look easy.
As far as Proleague goes, the format plays into Flashes strength, but imo same can be said about Maru. In the end it will all come down to how well the teams manage to prepare their players, as Proleague is about more then just a skill of the player... What? Flash has such mediocre micro it kinda hurts me everytime i see him vs banelings, maru on the other hand plays pure bio vs a maxed toss and doesn't look all that bad with it. You can't really look at the proleague stats cause a lot of strong players didn't even play in that league. well i guess we will see soon enough what the skilllevels really are! Maru has better micro indeed, but you cannot be the most or the second most successful TvZ player, as Flash was during several months, on the back of "mediocre micro".
Then watch his games back then and tell me he has good splitting, cause he hasn't. Widow mines and some stutter step, thats all he pretty much did and his splitting is/was mediocre, his macro is just pretty good.
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You can't be mediocre and be top20 SC2 progamer in the world...
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On December 25 2013 01:43 Ammanas wrote:
You can't be mediocre and be top20 SC2 progamer in the world...
1. i said he has mediocre micro, his macro is better than that.
2. i would argue flash isn't top 20 in the world right now.
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On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP
Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0
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On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0
That is a blatant setup for a 40-40 joke, but Golden isn't involved in this o.o
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On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0
Classic lost to someone on Prime in preseason things are looking bleak.
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On December 25 2013 02:02 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0 Classic lost to someone on Prime in preseason things are looking bleak.
He wasn't taking it seriously. He's waiting to be worth 3 points in FPL so everyone will waste their time picking Rain, Parting, and Soulkey and then he will carry SKT as the ace
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Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this?
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On December 25 2013 02:04 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 02:02 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0 Classic lost to someone on Prime in preseason things are looking bleak. He wasn't taking it seriously. He's waiting to be worth 3 points in FPL so everyone will waste their time picking Rain, Parting, and Soulkey and then he will carry SKT as the ace
It all makes sense now. Classic wants to become the FPL champion with himself as his captain.
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On December 25 2013 01:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 01:43 Ammanas wrote:
You can't be mediocre and be top20 SC2 progamer in the world... 1. i said he has mediocre micro, his macro is better than that. 2. i would argue flash isn't top 20 in the world right now.
And how can you know that since he has not been seen much since IEM New York?
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On December 25 2013 02:19 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 01:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 25 2013 01:43 Ammanas wrote:
You can't be mediocre and be top20 SC2 progamer in the world... 1. i said he has mediocre micro, his macro is better than that. 2. i would argue flash isn't top 20 in the world right now. And how can you know that since he has not been seen much since IEM New York?
Flash did not impress at IEM New York. He failed to advance from the group stages, and in TvP, he and State looked about the same level. Now I'm a huge fan of State, and it was really awesome to see State fight so well against Flash, but that series does not help Flash's reputation.
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On December 25 2013 02:19 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 01:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 25 2013 01:43 Ammanas wrote:
You can't be mediocre and be top20 SC2 progamer in the world... 1. i said he has mediocre micro, his macro is better than that. 2. i would argue flash isn't top 20 in the world right now. And how can you know that since he has not been seen much since IEM New York?
Ok then 2 months ago with the addition of the recent showmatch, maybe he proves me (and other people) wrong, but i don't see him winning nearly as much as he did in the last proleague.
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On December 25 2013 02:23 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 02:19 TheDwf wrote:On December 25 2013 01:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 25 2013 01:43 Ammanas wrote:
You can't be mediocre and be top20 SC2 progamer in the world... 1. i said he has mediocre micro, his macro is better than that. 2. i would argue flash isn't top 20 in the world right now. And how can you know that since he has not been seen much since IEM New York? Flash did not impress at IEM New York. He failed to advance from the group stages, and in TvP, he and State looked about the same level. Now I'm a huge fan of State, and it was really awesome to see State fight so well against Flash, but that series does not help Flash's reputation.
Flash also looked even against PartinG in their last RO16 match, so State = PartinG? Yes indeed, he didn't advance; one map short. But did you check Curious' ZvT? As for DRG, he's a monster too in ZvT. It's not like he failed against average Zergs.
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Kinda surprising how KT only listed 3 players of each race o.O and no puzzle
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STILL WAITING FOR FPL TL, i make most of my yearly income around this time of year
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guys Flash is terrible outside proleague give it up pls
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Considering last year's record, and the current state of the metagame, i don't know why would anyone discuss the skill of non-protoss players in proleague.
I don't even think any of them will show up.
Edit: Oh shit i forgot, do we have any info on maps?
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I'd be willing to bet on both Ty and Flash outclassing Maru this season, and I pretty much always root against Flash. Anyway KT > Jin Air for me, because KT toss > Wings toss and KT terran > Wings terran. Jin Air has better zergs but KT zergs were still very valuable snipers in last season.
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Look, all I'm saying is I want to see Barbie.Prime train hard and come out to snipe the hell out of someone. And then perform some kind of ceremony with the adorable fluff ball. (Bonus points if she snipes Maru.)
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On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this?
Yessssssss, the master of preparation!
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On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this?
It's not MVP you're gonna be looking out for, the reason no one has seen anything of UngNim is because MVP has been personally training him in a hyperbolic chamber on the top of a Tibetan monastery for a year and will be unleashed upon proleague. Proleague does not know that they have released a monster.
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So... any news on the line-ups for the first several matches?
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On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this?
It's fine. They will begin talking once everyone remembers that MVP is the true king of preparation.
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On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this?
 Reality is playing too you will be surprised how good he is
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On December 25 2013 06:07 duckmaster wrote:
I'd be willing to bet on both Ty and Flash outclassing Maru this season, and I pretty much always root against Flash. Anyway KT > Jin Air for me, because KT toss > Wings toss and KT terran > Wings terran. Jin Air has better zergs but KT zergs were still very valuable snipers in last season.
How can you bet on TY if we haven't really seen anything from him? I mean i am a Baby fan myself, but HOW? ^^
Well i bet Maru will be the best terran this season now that Innovation doesn't play in Proleague anymore.
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I hope that EG and Green Wings team up so that Jaedong can play in prologue.
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On December 24 2013 10:24 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 10:20 Grumbels wrote:On December 24 2013 09:20 opterown wrote:
being condescending only makes you look like a dick, it doesn't help your argument, join date is no indicator of experience in the sports scene.
no indicator? how about maru severely outperforming flash for the last half year? In what world is join date not an indicator of experience? Please tell me if I'm wrong, but chances are you weren't around for Flash's dominance in Brood War and therefore can't see Flash's talent in proper context. HEY I KNOW post count is an indicator of experience, therefore me >>> you am i doing this right
Yeah I have like 750 posts and I think I have posted maybe 3 quality comments.
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On December 25 2013 08:06 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this? Reality is playing too you will be surprised how good he is
Everyone with half a brain knows how good Reality is :p
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On December 25 2013 08:06 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this? Reality is playing too you will be surprised how good he is
sKyHigh is about to finish his secret cave training and murder everyone
srsly lotta underrated terrans here man. Look at how Bbyong has improved in that IEM, and Fantasy with some oov's tailored builds, and Bugs Bunny the next gen terran? I only miss INNoVation this season
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On December 25 2013 07:47 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this? It's fine. They will begin talking once everyone remembers that MVP is the true king of preparation.
The MVP team is really good at preparation?
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On December 25 2013 11:27 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 07:47 Lorch wrote:On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this? It's fine. They will begin talking once everyone remembers that MVP is the true king of preparation. The MVP team is really good at preparation?
well they did win the first ever big GSTL
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On December 25 2013 11:08 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 08:06 DiMano wrote:On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this? Reality is playing too you will be surprised how good he is sKyHigh is about to finish his secret cave training and murder everyone srsly lotta underrated terrans here man. Look at how Bbyong has improved in that IEM, and Fantasy with some oov's tailored builds, and Bugs Bunny the next gen terran? I only miss INNoVation this season
Aww yeah Skyhigh managed to take a game off of Bbyong, he's the next god
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On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run.
Maru was also in a group with flash in ro32 season 1 wcs kr
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On December 25 2013 11:27 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 07:47 Lorch wrote:On December 25 2013 02:14 LockeTazeline wrote:Why is everyone talking about Maru and Flash? Don't people realize Mvp is playing in this? It's fine. They will begin talking once everyone remembers that MVP is the true king of preparation. The MVP team is really good at preparation?
That's totally why I used singular and quoted a post that talking about the player mvp. Great to see how well you comprehend posts.
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On December 25 2013 21:37 DinosaurPoop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Maru was also in a group with flash in ro32 season 1 wcs kr
 Life is the best StarCraft II player of all times so you are wrong sorry
On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0
Yes he is very good the next GSL contender for sure!
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On December 25 2013 22:00 DiMano wrote:
Yes he is very good the next GSL contender for sure!
It's hard to win GSL being in code B
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On December 25 2013 22:08 Trius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 22:00 DiMano wrote:
Yes he is very good the next GSL contender for sure! It's hard to win GSL being in code B
Tell it to his teammate Dear.
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On December 25 2013 22:00 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 21:37 DinosaurPoop wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Maru was also in a group with flash in ro32 season 1 wcs kr Life is the best StarCraft II player of all times so you are wrong sorry
Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0 Yes he is very good the next GSL contender for sure!
what?......u has brain?
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On December 25 2013 22:11 ChoDing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 22:00 DiMano wrote:On December 25 2013 21:37 DinosaurPoop wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Maru was also in a group with flash in ro32 season 1 wcs kr Life is the best StarCraft II player of all times so you are wrong sorry
On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0 Yes he is very good the next GSL contender for sure! what?......u has brain?
i dno, do you?
On May 01 2013 15:25 ChoDing wrote:
time to replace all the ez pzs with KeSPA!!
On August 29 2012 20:45 ChoDing wrote:
WOW Kespa DOMINATES LOL !!!!
On August 29 2012 20:11 ChoDing wrote:
wow Kespa might replace whole esf members in GSL
On September 12 2012 02:22 ChoDing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 02:15 xrapture wrote:
Mvp, Nestea, MC, and DRG-- 10 GSL championships between them and they've all fallen to Kespa players.
Beta's over ladies. SC2 has gone live. What's up?!?!?!? BW PLAYERS ARE GONNA RAPE YOU ALL ESF NOOBS User was warned for this post
On August 29 2012 20:47 ChoDing wrote:
ESF NIGHTMARE TONIGHT!!!! gg though well played by Flying
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Mvp and NesTea are technically KeSPA ...
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opterown
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everyone in proleague is, lol
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On December 25 2013 22:14 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 22:11 ChoDing wrote:On December 25 2013 22:00 DiMano wrote:On December 25 2013 21:37 DinosaurPoop wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Maru was also in a group with flash in ro32 season 1 wcs kr Life is the best StarCraft II player of all times so you are wrong sorry
On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0 Yes he is very good the next GSL contender for sure! what?......u has brain? i dno, do you? Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 15:25 ChoDing wrote:
time to replace all the ez pzs with KeSPA!!
Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:11 ChoDing wrote:
wow Kespa might replace whole esf members in GSL Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 02:22 ChoDing wrote:On September 12 2012 02:15 xrapture wrote:
Mvp, Nestea, MC, and DRG-- 10 GSL championships between them and they've all fallen to Kespa players.
Beta's over ladies. SC2 has gone live. What's up?!?!?!? BW PLAYERS ARE GONNA RAPE YOU ALL ESF NOOBS User was warned for this post Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:47 ChoDing wrote:
ESF NIGHTMARE TONIGHT!!!! gg though well played by Flying
haha wow, that's some dedication. Man loves his Kespa
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On December 25 2013 22:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 22:14 opterown wrote:On December 25 2013 22:11 ChoDing wrote:On December 25 2013 22:00 DiMano wrote:On December 25 2013 21:37 DinosaurPoop wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Maru was also in a group with flash in ro32 season 1 wcs kr Life is the best StarCraft II player of all times so you are wrong sorry
On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0 Yes he is very good the next GSL contender for sure! what?......u has brain? i dno, do you? On May 01 2013 15:25 ChoDing wrote:
time to replace all the ez pzs with KeSPA!!
On August 29 2012 20:45 ChoDing wrote:
WOW Kespa DOMINATES LOL !!!! On August 29 2012 20:11 ChoDing wrote:
wow Kespa might replace whole esf members in GSL On September 12 2012 02:22 ChoDing wrote:On September 12 2012 02:15 xrapture wrote:
Mvp, Nestea, MC, and DRG-- 10 GSL championships between them and they've all fallen to Kespa players.
Beta's over ladies. SC2 has gone live. What's up?!?!?!? BW PLAYERS ARE GONNA RAPE YOU ALL ESF NOOBS User was warned for this post On August 29 2012 20:47 ChoDing wrote:
ESF NIGHTMARE TONIGHT!!!! gg though well played by Flying haha wow, that's some dedication. Man loves his Kespa
opterown posting history burn best burn.
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On December 26 2013 01:06 LockeTazeline wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2013 22:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On December 25 2013 22:14 opterown wrote:On December 25 2013 22:11 ChoDing wrote:On December 25 2013 22:00 DiMano wrote:On December 25 2013 21:37 DinosaurPoop wrote:On December 24 2013 22:49 LightSpectra wrote:On December 24 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:
Korea only had groups of death. Its your inherent bias that says Flash was put in hard groups while Maru got easy groups. There were NO easy groups in Korea. Right. Because Flash-Bogus-Life-PartinG is totally comparable to Maru-Sleep-Bbyong-Dream. Now, Maru and Flash were in the same group once, and Maru came out on top 2-1. That day, he played better than Flash. And that was a group of death. But that was pretty much the best thing Maru's ever done in his entire career, so it's not exactly fair to compare literally every season Flash plays in WCS to Maru's miracle run. Maru was also in a group with flash in ro32 season 1 wcs kr Life is the best StarCraft II player of all times so you are wrong sorry
On December 25 2013 01:56 Shellshock wrote:On December 24 2013 23:14 Zealously wrote:On December 24 2013 23:13 DavoS wrote:
So from what I can tell from the thread, this "Proleague" thing is a Flash vs Maru showmatch? Sora4MVP Pretty sure SKT Classic is going to go like 40-0 Yes he is very good the next GSL contender for sure! what?......u has brain? i dno, do you? On May 01 2013 15:25 ChoDing wrote:
time to replace all the ez pzs with KeSPA!!
On August 29 2012 20:45 ChoDing wrote:
WOW Kespa DOMINATES LOL !!!! On August 29 2012 20:11 ChoDing wrote:
wow Kespa might replace whole esf members in GSL On September 12 2012 02:22 ChoDing wrote:On September 12 2012 02:15 xrapture wrote:
Mvp, Nestea, MC, and DRG-- 10 GSL championships between them and they've all fallen to Kespa players.
Beta's over ladies. SC2 has gone live. What's up?!?!?!? BW PLAYERS ARE GONNA RAPE YOU ALL ESF NOOBS User was warned for this post On August 29 2012 20:47 ChoDing wrote:
ESF NIGHTMARE TONIGHT!!!! gg though well played by Flying haha wow, that's some dedication. Man loves his Kespa opterown posting history burn best burn.
too specific burn to be best burn.
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You guys should realize that the reason why those players are not listed as rosters means that they are B-teamers and are not good enough to be send out. This have always been the case in past in PL events where if you suck, the coaches just won't put you on. So yeah those guys are probably training hard to make it into A-team. Unless SC2 don't have enough players to form two strings of players anymore, then the downsizing probably cut them off.
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On December 26 2013 01:41 Xiphos wrote:
You guys should realize that the reason why those players are not listed as rosters means that they are B-teamers and are not good enough to be send out. This have always been the case in past in PL events where if you suck, the coaches just won't put you on. So yeah those guys are probably training hard to make it into A-team. Unless SC2 don't have enough players to form two strings of players anymore, then the downsizing probably cut them off.
But what about last season, where a lot of those B-teamers were on the roster and got sent out occasionally? It's not like they should never ever ever get sent out and even if they weren't, they were still listed on the roster.
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On December 26 2013 01:50 slowbacontron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 01:41 Xiphos wrote:
You guys should realize that the reason why those players are not listed as rosters means that they are B-teamers and are not good enough to be send out. This have always been the case in past in PL events where if you suck, the coaches just won't put you on. So yeah those guys are probably training hard to make it into A-team. Unless SC2 don't have enough players to form two strings of players anymore, then the downsizing probably cut them off. But what about last season, where a lot of those B-teamers were on the roster and got sent out occasionally? It's not like they should never ever ever get sent out and even if they weren't, they were still listed on the roster.
Could have to do with the change to bo5. Not going to be seeing a lot of B teamers in the Bo5 format at least while the team is still in contention for the playoffs imo
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On December 26 2013 01:51 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 01:50 slowbacontron wrote:On December 26 2013 01:41 Xiphos wrote:
You guys should realize that the reason why those players are not listed as rosters means that they are B-teamers and are not good enough to be send out. This have always been the case in past in PL events where if you suck, the coaches just won't put you on. So yeah those guys are probably training hard to make it into A-team. Unless SC2 don't have enough players to form two strings of players anymore, then the downsizing probably cut them off. But what about last season, where a lot of those B-teamers were on the roster and got sent out occasionally? It's not like they should never ever ever get sent out and even if they weren't, they were still listed on the roster. Could have to do with the change to bo5. Not going to be seeing a lot of B teamers in the Bo5 format at least while the team is still in contention for the playoffs imo
I still think it's kind of limiting to the more unknown players who could use some experience in the booth, but it is what it is. Also, wonder how this will affect FPL without all those players who would usually be the 1-pointers to round out some people's rosters and, I'm guessing, a more even point distribution instead.
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Now that I've looked at it, there are SEVERAL players who are FAR bellow than Yoda + First in terms of result and gameplay in the IM's lineup so it wouldn't make sense to push those two out.
I guess they really retired.
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Where are all the Terrans?
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Now that I've looked at it, there are SEVERAL meats that are FAR bellow than Chicken in terms of availability and tastiness in the world's meat supply so it wouldn't make sense to push that one out.
I guess it really retired.
+ Show Spoiler +imo, just because they're not on the Proleague roster doesn't necessarily mean they're not playing Starcraft. Many people have already speculated that they could be playing in WCS EU which would physically prohibit them from playing in Proleague. We just don't know until an official announcement.
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On December 26 2013 12:00 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Where are all the Terrans?
Proleague stands for protoss league after all.
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This should be fun. Lots to report on later.
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Damn i am so excited, pls start already!
ps: i hope fpl will start tomorrow, pls god of esports, make it happen!
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Sigh I am guessing Dear and MC are far far way from team games now.
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I was looking forward to this new season to get back into Proleague. But soo many favourites and teams missing... ah i'm not sure if i'll watch for very long..
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