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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
On December 09 2013 11:38 blade55555 wrote: Hm to be honest I wouldn't be that surprised end of the year and no proleague, I imagine oz is going to leave as well. Nah I'd bet Oz stays on. Probably aLive too imo. Wouldn't be surprised if JYP got the axe though. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 09 2013 13:40 mongmong wrote: I'll just translate what revival wrote. Revival: Where do I register? Revival: Our team (EGTL, EG whatever...) doesnt even tell us about these things.. Revival: It's a fucking trash team. me thinks its not known to the foreign community because no one really cares about him... It sounds like one of the risks/issues with having your management core in another country with a different primary language. Teams like EG and TL have translators and Koreans managers, but that can really only go so far (unless they still had the house up and running with the staff that was present). | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 09 2013 15:53 mongmong wrote: People need to realize that this is different from BW. In Broodwar a salary like $500 a month would be very poor even if there were individual leagues (osl, msl ) but there are tons of tourneys outside korea which Revival got to participate in because he was on a foreigner team,a chance that even a lot of top tier koreans don't get. Don't forget there is also streaming. My point is, if you want to earn $$ in esports, either market yourself well by becoming a personality or get good at the game. I agree with you except the part of salaries in BW. In BW a B-teamer received a salary of $500/month. That's a very reasonable amount. From what I remember Jaedong was getting like 65,000,000 won at one point (60k/year), and that's when he rebelled or whatever. Eventually he got higher. Flash got paid $200k-250k, Bisu and Stork were at 150k~, and top players like Kal, Calm, etc got paid 60k-70k. An A-class player like Hyuk, Shuttle, Modesty, Hiya, etc likely received around 20-30k/year. B-teamers and practice partners often received 10k or less, sometimes even doing it for free. Revival is not really an A-teamer, and if so, he is a lower end one. However earning in SC2 are more compared to the 28k for winning the OSL. (I remember this figure from 2009 or so from some article GTR posted), and so, the salaries between SC2 and BW pros are very even. | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 09 2013 16:44 Antisocialmunky wrote: Well everyone who ends up on a Team with Jaedong looks like an A-Teamer at best by comparison, FiWiFaKi. Nah, in BW it'd be like: S-Class: Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, Fantasy, Stork, Jangbi, Effort Top A-Class: Zero, Soulkey, Leta, Sea, Light, Best, Hydra, Violet, Hiya, ForGG, Kal, Calm Low A-Class: Hyvaa, Modesty, Hyuk, Skyhigh, Hogil, Really, Tyson, Jaehoon, Horang B-Class: Oversky, Trap, Last, Turn, Ssak, Grape, Zest, Barracks, Piano, Britney S- class = OSL/MSL winners, and other very notable achievements. A team's ace. Top A- class = Isolated OSL/MSL win case, or some other high-tournament placing. Get sent out every Proleague match. Low A- class = An occasional placing in Ro16 of OSL/MSL, usually is sent out during Proleague. B- class = Struggles through individual league qualifiers and maybe has achieved a Ro36 OSL; gets sent out 10-20% of proleague matches. C- class = Never sent out in pro-league, plays in some shitty non-OSL/MSL tournament trying to make a name for themselves, possibly acts as a practice partner to Kespa players but not on a Kespa team. I think according to this criteria which is something which I think is accepted by BW fans more or less, Revival would be a Low A - class player. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On December 09 2013 16:13 FiWiFaKi wrote: I agree with you except the part of salaries in BW. In BW a B-teamer received a salary of $500/month. That's a very reasonable amount. From what I remember Jaedong was getting like 65,000,000 won at one point (60k/year), and that's when he rebelled or whatever. Eventually he got higher. Flash got paid $200k-250k, Bisu and Stork were at 150k~, and top players like Kal, Calm, etc got paid 60k-70k. An A-class player like Hyuk, Shuttle, Modesty, Hiya, etc likely received around 20-30k/year. B-teamers and practice partners often received 10k or less, sometimes even doing it for free. Revival is not really an A-teamer, and if so, he is a lower end one. However earning in SC2 are more compared to the 28k for winning the OSL. (I remember this figure from 2009 or so from some article GTR posted), and so, the salaries between SC2 and BW pros are very even. I don't really get the B teamer part.. What exactly do you mean by a b teamer? Because LiquidHero back in Hwaseung was in a B- team and stated that he had made $200 in two years. Salary for B-teamers was almost non-exsistent (although you could argue it depends on which team you are on). I dont think teams apart from SKT, KT and CJ paid 500/month to B teamers. Btw, Stork was paid significantly less than (around 90k/year at max) other members of TBLS. | ||
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CloudMage
Canada221 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36920 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 09 2013 17:13 mongmong wrote: I don't really get the B teamer part.. What exactly do you mean by a b teamer? Because LiquidHero back in Hwaseung was in a B- team and stated that he had made $200 in two years. Salary for B-teamers was almost non-exsistent (although you could argue it depends on which team you are on). I dont think teams apart from SKT, KT and CJ paid 500/month to B teamers. Btw, Stork was paid significantly less than (around 90k/year at max) other members of TBLS. That's why I said 10,000k or less. Hwaseung wasn't one of the richest teams, that's for sure. STX, KT, Stars, and SKT seemed to have the highest salaries. Again, I just remember old articles on teamliquid, and the players that didn't appear in the proleague usually received salaries of less than 10,000. I'm sure some received next to zero, but at the same time... I'm sure someone like SKT paid their 8th or 10th best player more than $100 a year. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On December 09 2013 15:30 FiWiFaKi wrote: Just from reading previous interviews with him it's the kind of impression I have. I don't have any specific examples, but I remember "don't cheer for this guy" in my head for whatever reasons he erks me - even though overall I like EG. What kind of salaries do you expect players get? I agree, 6k is pretty poor. But how many players do you think get paid more than 20k a year? I'd say less than 30 in SC2 (likely closer to 10-15). And Revival in my eyes is definitely out of Top 30. Edit: Only 28 players in SC2 have earned over 30k in 2013. EG players get to keep all their winnings. Revival has made 32k. So Revival's yearly earnings are 38k a year. Is that bad? Not very sustainable in a First World country... But seems to be above reasonable based on his level of skill. (Ranked 101 ELO based on TLPD?). Depends on the team but one would think that one of the richest esports team should be able to pay their players more than that. He might not be a fan favorite but he has still done well for their brand. Shady esports is shady I guess. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On December 09 2013 17:20 Bowzar wrote: Depends on the team but one would think that one of the richest esports team should be able to pay their players more than that. He might not be a fan favorite but he has still done well for their brand. Shady esports is shady I guess. Well Revival was a player with almost no achievements when he signed contracts with EG. It seems pretty reasonable to me because he got opportunities to travel and compete in foreign tourneys.. | ||
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Khai
Australia551 Posts
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
On December 09 2013 17:20 Bowzar wrote: Depends on the team but one would think that one of the richest esports team should be able to pay their players more than that. He might not be a fan favorite but he has still done well for their brand. Shady esports is shady I guess. Being young and paid very little in order to persue a dream that is unlikely to come true is a pattern you see in pretty much the entire entertainment industry. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On December 09 2013 17:07 FiWiFaKi wrote: Nah, in BW it'd be like: S-Class: Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, Fantasy, Stork, Jangbi, Effort Top A-Class: Zero, Soulkey, Leta, Sea, Light, Best, Hydra, Violet, Hiya, ForGG, Kal, Calm Low A-Class: Hyvaa, Modesty, Hyuk, Skyhigh, Hogil, Really, Tyson, Jaehoon, Horang B-Class: Oversky, Trap, Last, Turn, Ssak, Grape, Zest, Barracks, Piano, Britney S- class = OSL/MSL winners, and other very notable achievements. A team's ace. Top A- class = Isolated OSL/MSL win case, or some other high-tournament placing. Get sent out every Proleague match. Low A- class = An occasional placing in Ro16 of OSL/MSL, usually is sent out during Proleague. B- class = Struggles through individual league qualifiers and maybe has achieved a Ro36 OSL; gets sent out 10-20% of proleague matches. C- class = Never sent out in pro-league, plays in some shitty non-OSL/MSL tournament trying to make a name for themselves, possibly acts as a practice partner to Kespa players but not on a Kespa team. I think according to this criteria which is something which I think is accepted by BW fans more or less, Revival would be a Low A - class player. Boxer disapproves this post. Sad to see Revival get enough exposure T.T | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 09 2013 17:20 Bowzar wrote: Depends on the team but one would think that one of the richest esports team should be able to pay their players more than that. He might not be a fan favorite but he has still done well for their brand. Shady esports is shady I guess. Absolutely nothing shady about it. That's what most players are (unfortunately) worth to teams in terms of ROI. EG might be the "richest", but it also relies solely on player marketing for every cent of sponsorship money. Unlike teams like Acer or Team Liquid, which are backed by revenue sources not dependent on player followings, or even teams like Axiom which is knowingly run at a loss, EG has to hope the ROI from a contract term is at least a net zero. And they apparently use a shit-ton of metrics to valuate an appropriate salary. And a salary like $6000 might sound low, but the full investment on him is probably closer to 30k-40k for all travel and accommodations over the year. | ||
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