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On December 10 2013 06:18 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:00 TaishiCi wrote:On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 10 2013 04:01 SCST wrote:On December 10 2013 02:53 seoul_kiM wrote:
EG needs quite the roster revamp soon, many of their players aren't inspiring anymore and many have lost a lot of popularity. It's not always about their records and accomplishments and some players bring more to the team than others in a diverse way.
Honestly, I would only keep Alive (consistency), Jaedong for their skills and Incontrol and maybe Machine for the work they do on the team and with the sponsors. Suppy has great potential so I'd keep him and perhaps Xeno but not sure if he has anything coming up for him. On the fence about players like Oz and DeMuslim. Thorzain and HuK are popular but they have waned in skill and Thorzain isn't even full time. EG can really acquire better players (altho some might need to be headhunted EG has the resources)
DeMuslim is one of the most popular Starcraft 2 players, period. Results don't mean much with that kind of popularity, so if you think EG will ever get rid of him keep dreaming. Same with Huk. As long as popularity holds, they are teflon (barring an Idra-level PR disaster). Like so many others have pointed out in this thread, people arguing about skill mattering in any significance are completely out of the loop and disconnected from the way these teams work. A player can be in bronze league and have potential for a team if said players proves that they have a following and a great personality. P.S. Alive is probably toast, because as most us know, his skill means almost nothing. He's just not popular enough or marketing himself well to foreign fans. I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers. EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. If any team needs to spring clean the house, it would be EG. They have been carrying Machine for moral support. Without PL, there is no point in keeping JYP, aLive, and Oz for another year. With the holiday hiatus, it is the perfect time for both players and team to move on. There isn't really any point to foreign teams having a strong *aka Korean* line-up. Signing weekend hero like Taeja or Stardust pays off much more for them. Liquid had such a steal with Taeja, he is the perfect weekend hero. Signed him when he was drastically improving, but couldn't get recognition on a Terran stacked team even with an outrageous record in ESV Korean Weekly. Also, he is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting. And GSL was stagnant at the time because the Code S/A barrier was much larger than after rearrangement. In terms of talent/player pool, ESV Korean Weekly was better than more than half of the premiere tournaments these day. Lets not devolve this thread into you expressing your opinion that Taeja's two GSL semifinal runs mean nothing and keep it focused on the topic at hand  . In other news I really hope that Revival finds a team soon (Azubu? :D) I also wouldn't read into the aLive/complexity tweet, but it is possible that the other under-appreciated Koreans on EG could end up moving on as well 
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It is clear that Taeja does much better in weekend tournament settings.
Fact that even Taeja admits to...
Nothing I wrote is even remotely negative about Taeja.
Why are you so angry guy?
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On December 10 2013 06:47 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:18 Yorkie wrote:On December 10 2013 06:00 TaishiCi wrote:On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 10 2013 04:01 SCST wrote:On December 10 2013 02:53 seoul_kiM wrote:
EG needs quite the roster revamp soon, many of their players aren't inspiring anymore and many have lost a lot of popularity. It's not always about their records and accomplishments and some players bring more to the team than others in a diverse way.
Honestly, I would only keep Alive (consistency), Jaedong for their skills and Incontrol and maybe Machine for the work they do on the team and with the sponsors. Suppy has great potential so I'd keep him and perhaps Xeno but not sure if he has anything coming up for him. On the fence about players like Oz and DeMuslim. Thorzain and HuK are popular but they have waned in skill and Thorzain isn't even full time. EG can really acquire better players (altho some might need to be headhunted EG has the resources)
DeMuslim is one of the most popular Starcraft 2 players, period. Results don't mean much with that kind of popularity, so if you think EG will ever get rid of him keep dreaming. Same with Huk. As long as popularity holds, they are teflon (barring an Idra-level PR disaster). Like so many others have pointed out in this thread, people arguing about skill mattering in any significance are completely out of the loop and disconnected from the way these teams work. A player can be in bronze league and have potential for a team if said players proves that they have a following and a great personality. P.S. Alive is probably toast, because as most us know, his skill means almost nothing. He's just not popular enough or marketing himself well to foreign fans. I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers. EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. If any team needs to spring clean the house, it would be EG. They have been carrying Machine for moral support. Without PL, there is no point in keeping JYP, aLive, and Oz for another year. With the holiday hiatus, it is the perfect time for both players and team to move on. There isn't really any point to foreign teams having a strong *aka Korean* line-up. Signing weekend hero like Taeja or Stardust pays off much more for them. Liquid had such a steal with Taeja, he is the perfect weekend hero. Signed him when he was drastically improving, but couldn't get recognition on a Terran stacked team even with an outrageous record in ESV Korean Weekly. Also, he is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting. And GSL was stagnant at the time because the Code S/A barrier was much larger than after rearrangement. In terms of talent/player pool, ESV Korean Weekly was better than more than half of the premiere tournaments these day. Lets not devolve this thread into you expressing your opinion that Taeja's two GSL semifinal runs mean nothing and keep it focused on the topic at hand . In other news I really hope that Revival finds a team soon (Azubu? :D) I also wouldn't read into the aLive/complexity tweet, but it is possible that the other under-appreciated Koreans on EG could end up moving on as well ................................................................................. It is clear that Taeja does much better in weekend tournament settings. Fact that even Taeja admits to... Nothing I wrote is even remotely negative about Taeja. Why are you so angry guy?
i thinks he just misinterpreted what you said because of how what you wrote reads. I completely agree with you though, without major tournament results and no team leagues there's not really a reason to hang on to "good" korean players who aren't personalities.
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On December 10 2013 06:47 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:18 Yorkie wrote:On December 10 2013 06:00 TaishiCi wrote:On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 10 2013 04:01 SCST wrote:On December 10 2013 02:53 seoul_kiM wrote:
EG needs quite the roster revamp soon, many of their players aren't inspiring anymore and many have lost a lot of popularity. It's not always about their records and accomplishments and some players bring more to the team than others in a diverse way.
Honestly, I would only keep Alive (consistency), Jaedong for their skills and Incontrol and maybe Machine for the work they do on the team and with the sponsors. Suppy has great potential so I'd keep him and perhaps Xeno but not sure if he has anything coming up for him. On the fence about players like Oz and DeMuslim. Thorzain and HuK are popular but they have waned in skill and Thorzain isn't even full time. EG can really acquire better players (altho some might need to be headhunted EG has the resources)
DeMuslim is one of the most popular Starcraft 2 players, period. Results don't mean much with that kind of popularity, so if you think EG will ever get rid of him keep dreaming. Same with Huk. As long as popularity holds, they are teflon (barring an Idra-level PR disaster). Like so many others have pointed out in this thread, people arguing about skill mattering in any significance are completely out of the loop and disconnected from the way these teams work. A player can be in bronze league and have potential for a team if said players proves that they have a following and a great personality. P.S. Alive is probably toast, because as most us know, his skill means almost nothing. He's just not popular enough or marketing himself well to foreign fans. I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers. EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. If any team needs to spring clean the house, it would be EG. They have been carrying Machine for moral support. Without PL, there is no point in keeping JYP, aLive, and Oz for another year. With the holiday hiatus, it is the perfect time for both players and team to move on. There isn't really any point to foreign teams having a strong *aka Korean* line-up. Signing weekend hero like Taeja or Stardust pays off much more for them. Liquid had such a steal with Taeja, he is the perfect weekend hero. Signed him when he was drastically improving, but couldn't get recognition on a Terran stacked team even with an outrageous record in ESV Korean Weekly. Also, he is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting. And GSL was stagnant at the time because the Code S/A barrier was much larger than after rearrangement. In terms of talent/player pool, ESV Korean Weekly was better than more than half of the premiere tournaments these day. Lets not devolve this thread into you expressing your opinion that Taeja's two GSL semifinal runs mean nothing and keep it focused on the topic at hand . In other news I really hope that Revival finds a team soon (Azubu? :D) I also wouldn't read into the aLive/complexity tweet, but it is possible that the other under-appreciated Koreans on EG could end up moving on as well ................................................................................. It is clear that Taeja does much better in weekend tournament settings. Fact that even Taeja admits to... Nothing I wrote is even remotely negative about Taeja. Why are you so angry guy?
Uh u just said Taeja is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting where he finished in the ro4 twice and in all the other gsls had his run ended in the ro8 or 16 and these were in the WoL days where it was harder for terran not to mention how the last gsl before wcs started was right when Hots came out so that shouldnt count for much either. not to mention how well taeja has done in all other tournaments where the groups were announced maybe a week before a tournament has started and still do extremely well. and yeah duh he says he does better in weekend tournaments as he has won 5....
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On December 09 2013 11:40 Lumi wrote:
I'd actually have expected him to retire if anything, at this point. He got a championship with EG in the last year and has been able to attend a fair few tournaments. Not sure what else he could prefer? A return to the rigors of a Korean team? Maybe EG not giving him what he has been getting. Whoooo knows.
Maybe it's because EG aren't competing in Proleague anymore.
To be honest, if I were a progamer, I'd want to join a KeSPA or eSF team at this point. Many of them can afford to fly out players to international events when organizers won't pay for travel costs, Korean internet is pants-jizzingly good so streaming and watching Twitch streams will never be a worry, these teams can embrace foreign sponsors due to much of their viewerbase being outside Korea and with KeSPA you get the best of both worlds. You can compete in GSL, international events AND Proleague. You also get the guarantee of a good salary because KeSPA generally get decent sponsors and need to provide better salaries to justify competing in Proleague.
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On December 10 2013 06:45 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 03:16 HYRULE15 wrote:
Well, he accomplished much more than Machine, lets see what will happen in the future, good luck to him! I thought that Machine was supposed to be the best player on EG in practice?
Machine is just the western version of Soulkey. With some more flaws and some less strengths.
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On December 10 2013 07:04 URLateral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:47 TaishiCi wrote:On December 10 2013 06:18 Yorkie wrote:On December 10 2013 06:00 TaishiCi wrote:On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 10 2013 04:01 SCST wrote:On December 10 2013 02:53 seoul_kiM wrote:
EG needs quite the roster revamp soon, many of their players aren't inspiring anymore and many have lost a lot of popularity. It's not always about their records and accomplishments and some players bring more to the team than others in a diverse way.
Honestly, I would only keep Alive (consistency), Jaedong for their skills and Incontrol and maybe Machine for the work they do on the team and with the sponsors. Suppy has great potential so I'd keep him and perhaps Xeno but not sure if he has anything coming up for him. On the fence about players like Oz and DeMuslim. Thorzain and HuK are popular but they have waned in skill and Thorzain isn't even full time. EG can really acquire better players (altho some might need to be headhunted EG has the resources)
DeMuslim is one of the most popular Starcraft 2 players, period. Results don't mean much with that kind of popularity, so if you think EG will ever get rid of him keep dreaming. Same with Huk. As long as popularity holds, they are teflon (barring an Idra-level PR disaster). Like so many others have pointed out in this thread, people arguing about skill mattering in any significance are completely out of the loop and disconnected from the way these teams work. A player can be in bronze league and have potential for a team if said players proves that they have a following and a great personality. P.S. Alive is probably toast, because as most us know, his skill means almost nothing. He's just not popular enough or marketing himself well to foreign fans. I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers. EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. If any team needs to spring clean the house, it would be EG. They have been carrying Machine for moral support. Without PL, there is no point in keeping JYP, aLive, and Oz for another year. With the holiday hiatus, it is the perfect time for both players and team to move on. There isn't really any point to foreign teams having a strong *aka Korean* line-up. Signing weekend hero like Taeja or Stardust pays off much more for them. Liquid had such a steal with Taeja, he is the perfect weekend hero. Signed him when he was drastically improving, but couldn't get recognition on a Terran stacked team even with an outrageous record in ESV Korean Weekly. Also, he is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting. And GSL was stagnant at the time because the Code S/A barrier was much larger than after rearrangement. In terms of talent/player pool, ESV Korean Weekly was better than more than half of the premiere tournaments these day. Lets not devolve this thread into you expressing your opinion that Taeja's two GSL semifinal runs mean nothing and keep it focused on the topic at hand . In other news I really hope that Revival finds a team soon (Azubu? :D) I also wouldn't read into the aLive/complexity tweet, but it is possible that the other under-appreciated Koreans on EG could end up moving on as well ................................................................................. It is clear that Taeja does much better in weekend tournament settings. Fact that even Taeja admits to... Nothing I wrote is even remotely negative about Taeja. Why are you so angry guy? Uh u just said Taeja is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting where he finished in the ro4 twice and in all the other gsls had his run ended in the ro8 or 16 and these were in the WoL days where it was harder for terran not to mention how the last gsl before wcs started was right when Hots came out so that shouldnt count for much either. not to mention how well taeja has done in all other tournaments where the groups were announced maybe a week before a tournament has started and still do extremely well. and yeah duh he says he does better in weekend tournaments as he has won 5....
Ok, let me dumb it down for you.
Taeja practices mostly on ladder, unlike players on KeSPA.
Taeja depends on mechanics much more than strategy and tactics. (O wait forgot my audience, he no like cheese... ok?)
Taeja doesn't have the amount and quality practice partners than players on Korean teams.
Can you understand the difference between "he is bad" and "he does worse in X conditions?"
If it'll let you sleep at night, I'll even rephrase it as "he is better in weekend tournaments".
*I only fear that you won't understand the logical equivalency...
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On December 10 2013 07:24 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:04 URLateral wrote:On December 10 2013 06:47 TaishiCi wrote:On December 10 2013 06:18 Yorkie wrote:On December 10 2013 06:00 TaishiCi wrote:On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 10 2013 04:01 SCST wrote:On December 10 2013 02:53 seoul_kiM wrote:
EG needs quite the roster revamp soon, many of their players aren't inspiring anymore and many have lost a lot of popularity. It's not always about their records and accomplishments and some players bring more to the team than others in a diverse way.
Honestly, I would only keep Alive (consistency), Jaedong for their skills and Incontrol and maybe Machine for the work they do on the team and with the sponsors. Suppy has great potential so I'd keep him and perhaps Xeno but not sure if he has anything coming up for him. On the fence about players like Oz and DeMuslim. Thorzain and HuK are popular but they have waned in skill and Thorzain isn't even full time. EG can really acquire better players (altho some might need to be headhunted EG has the resources)
DeMuslim is one of the most popular Starcraft 2 players, period. Results don't mean much with that kind of popularity, so if you think EG will ever get rid of him keep dreaming. Same with Huk. As long as popularity holds, they are teflon (barring an Idra-level PR disaster). Like so many others have pointed out in this thread, people arguing about skill mattering in any significance are completely out of the loop and disconnected from the way these teams work. A player can be in bronze league and have potential for a team if said players proves that they have a following and a great personality. P.S. Alive is probably toast, because as most us know, his skill means almost nothing. He's just not popular enough or marketing himself well to foreign fans. I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers. EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. If any team needs to spring clean the house, it would be EG. They have been carrying Machine for moral support. Without PL, there is no point in keeping JYP, aLive, and Oz for another year. With the holiday hiatus, it is the perfect time for both players and team to move on. There isn't really any point to foreign teams having a strong *aka Korean* line-up. Signing weekend hero like Taeja or Stardust pays off much more for them. Liquid had such a steal with Taeja, he is the perfect weekend hero. Signed him when he was drastically improving, but couldn't get recognition on a Terran stacked team even with an outrageous record in ESV Korean Weekly. Also, he is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting. And GSL was stagnant at the time because the Code S/A barrier was much larger than after rearrangement. In terms of talent/player pool, ESV Korean Weekly was better than more than half of the premiere tournaments these day. Lets not devolve this thread into you expressing your opinion that Taeja's two GSL semifinal runs mean nothing and keep it focused on the topic at hand . In other news I really hope that Revival finds a team soon (Azubu? :D) I also wouldn't read into the aLive/complexity tweet, but it is possible that the other under-appreciated Koreans on EG could end up moving on as well ................................................................................. It is clear that Taeja does much better in weekend tournament settings. Fact that even Taeja admits to... Nothing I wrote is even remotely negative about Taeja. Why are you so angry guy? Uh u just said Taeja is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting where he finished in the ro4 twice and in all the other gsls had his run ended in the ro8 or 16 and these were in the WoL days where it was harder for terran not to mention how the last gsl before wcs started was right when Hots came out so that shouldnt count for much either. not to mention how well taeja has done in all other tournaments where the groups were announced maybe a week before a tournament has started and still do extremely well. and yeah duh he says he does better in weekend tournaments as he has won 5.... Ok, let me dumb it down for you. Taeja practices mostly on ladder, unlike players on KeSPA. Taeja depends on mechanics much more than strategy and tactics. (O wait forgot my audience, he no like cheese... ok?) Taeja doesn't have the amount and quality practice partners than players on Korean teams. Can you understand the difference between "he is bad" and "he does worse in X conditions?" If it'll let you sleep at night, I'll even rephrase it as "he is better in weekend tournaments". *I only fear that you won't understand the logical equivalency...
I know u didnt say in anyway he was bad and in my response in no where do i say anything about him not being bad i simply just said that what u said was wrong in which and ill quote u "he is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting" when he has had great results in GSL when times were not easy for Terran and i have no idea why u would bring up his strengths and weaknesses in his play when that also has nothing to do with it... and ok he doesnt have the same amount of practice partners as some kespa players poor guy if he did he would have probably won 6 premeir tournaments this year instead of 5... I only fear ur going to respond to this saying something much worst then what u said previously. 
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On December 10 2013 06:47 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:18 Yorkie wrote:On December 10 2013 06:00 TaishiCi wrote:On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 10 2013 04:01 SCST wrote:On December 10 2013 02:53 seoul_kiM wrote:
EG needs quite the roster revamp soon, many of their players aren't inspiring anymore and many have lost a lot of popularity. It's not always about their records and accomplishments and some players bring more to the team than others in a diverse way.
Honestly, I would only keep Alive (consistency), Jaedong for their skills and Incontrol and maybe Machine for the work they do on the team and with the sponsors. Suppy has great potential so I'd keep him and perhaps Xeno but not sure if he has anything coming up for him. On the fence about players like Oz and DeMuslim. Thorzain and HuK are popular but they have waned in skill and Thorzain isn't even full time. EG can really acquire better players (altho some might need to be headhunted EG has the resources)
DeMuslim is one of the most popular Starcraft 2 players, period. Results don't mean much with that kind of popularity, so if you think EG will ever get rid of him keep dreaming. Same with Huk. As long as popularity holds, they are teflon (barring an Idra-level PR disaster). Like so many others have pointed out in this thread, people arguing about skill mattering in any significance are completely out of the loop and disconnected from the way these teams work. A player can be in bronze league and have potential for a team if said players proves that they have a following and a great personality. P.S. Alive is probably toast, because as most us know, his skill means almost nothing. He's just not popular enough or marketing himself well to foreign fans. I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers. EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. If any team needs to spring clean the house, it would be EG. They have been carrying Machine for moral support. Without PL, there is no point in keeping JYP, aLive, and Oz for another year. With the holiday hiatus, it is the perfect time for both players and team to move on. There isn't really any point to foreign teams having a strong *aka Korean* line-up. Signing weekend hero like Taeja or Stardust pays off much more for them. Liquid had such a steal with Taeja, he is the perfect weekend hero. Signed him when he was drastically improving, but couldn't get recognition on a Terran stacked team even with an outrageous record in ESV Korean Weekly. Also, he is significantly worse in a prepared GSL setting. And GSL was stagnant at the time because the Code S/A barrier was much larger than after rearrangement. In terms of talent/player pool, ESV Korean Weekly was better than more than half of the premiere tournaments these day. Lets not devolve this thread into you expressing your opinion that Taeja's two GSL semifinal runs mean nothing and keep it focused on the topic at hand . In other news I really hope that Revival finds a team soon (Azubu? :D) I also wouldn't read into the aLive/complexity tweet, but it is possible that the other under-appreciated Koreans on EG could end up moving on as well ................................................................................. It is clear that Taeja does much better in weekend tournament settings. Fact that even Taeja admits to... Nothing I wrote is even remotely negative about Taeja. Why are you so angry guy?
My apologies I misunderstood. I read it as you saying he is a weekend tournament hero which made me think you were saying he goes for easy money and flops in longer tournaments. Your points make sense and I read between the lines when there was nothing there. In the meantime the thread has become about Taeja just as I was not intending TT
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On December 10 2013 04:58 SCST wrote:
I disagree. I would speculate that Revival got axed against his will. I would say the same is going to happen to Alive, and he knows it. Otherwise, why would Revival not already have a team lined up if he chose to leave on his own? In addition, why would Alive be trying to contact Complexity publicly on twitter all of the sudden? It's speculation, but I think the entire Korean roster is going to get axed with the exception of Jaedong. And Puma was also axed not so long ago, if you remember. The Koreans have to add something particularly special for a team like EG to keep them on, as they don't have enough foreign fans to justify the investment. Stream numbers are a good indication of ROI for EG.
Uh, Puma wasn't axed. He was explicitly offered a new contract, which he declined, without another team lined up. Unless you're suggesting both parties lied. Given his form, it would have obviously been a low salary contract, but he was still offered it in spite of poor performance.
Exact same situation with LzGamer: was offered a new contract, declined it.
Both were looking for greener pastures, or to step away from SC2 if they couldn't find it.
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On December 10 2013 04:58 SCST wrote:
I disagree. I would speculate that Revival got axed against his will.
Spoke to Revival--he said he left out of his own will. EG was willing to keep him.
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On December 10 2013 04:58 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 04:31 Vorenius wrote:
That's part of it. Another part of it is the player's expectations. If Machine, iNcontrol, or Thorzain were on the same contract as Revival, getting the same salary, and expecting to go to the same tournaments, I have no doubt they would get cut as well.
It's all about understanding what your worth is to a team and then make a deal around that. To EG, Revival's worth isn't the same now as it was a year ago when he was getting better results and EG needed korean based players for PL. So it's either, take a pay cut and stop going to tournaments or try to find another team. That's another part of it, I agree. We don't know the inner-workings of it all, but we have to assume that the responsibilities of the team also mean food, housing, travel and such for members. On top of that, some kind of salary. Anything less would be somewhat of a black eye on EG for treating it's players poorly, which they will not do. The key is, considering what they get in return for exposure regarding Korean players like Revival, Oz and Alive, it probably just isn't worth it anymore to cover the expenses. I completely agree with you that pro-league was the reason they picked these guys up. It would have been great for EG to have a full team in Korea with that much exposure. But since that's gone now, I'm guessing that these guys will be gone soon, as well. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers.
EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. I disagree. I would speculate that Revival got axed against his will. I would say the same is going to happen to Alive, and he knows it. Otherwise, why would Revival not already have a team lined up if he chose to leave on his own? In addition, why would Alive be trying to contact Complexity publicly on twitter all of the sudden? It's speculation, but I think the entire Korean roster is going to get axed with the exception of Jaedong. And Puma was also axed not so long ago, if you remember. The Koreans have to add something particularly special for a team like EG to keep them on, as they don't have enough foreign fans to justify the investment. Stream numbers are a good indication of ROI for EG.
what if eg offered him a rly bad contract ? no pro house , no lan support except for those tournaments where he qualify . i wanna see a top tier pro ( he almost qualified for blizzcon) accepting a bad contract .
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On December 10 2013 08:58 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 04:58 SCST wrote:On December 10 2013 04:31 Vorenius wrote:
That's part of it. Another part of it is the player's expectations. If Machine, iNcontrol, or Thorzain were on the same contract as Revival, getting the same salary, and expecting to go to the same tournaments, I have no doubt they would get cut as well.
It's all about understanding what your worth is to a team and then make a deal around that. To EG, Revival's worth isn't the same now as it was a year ago when he was getting better results and EG needed korean based players for PL. So it's either, take a pay cut and stop going to tournaments or try to find another team. That's another part of it, I agree. We don't know the inner-workings of it all, but we have to assume that the responsibilities of the team also mean food, housing, travel and such for members. On top of that, some kind of salary. Anything less would be somewhat of a black eye on EG for treating it's players poorly, which they will not do. The key is, considering what they get in return for exposure regarding Korean players like Revival, Oz and Alive, it probably just isn't worth it anymore to cover the expenses. I completely agree with you that pro-league was the reason they picked these guys up. It would have been great for EG to have a full team in Korea with that much exposure. But since that's gone now, I'm guessing that these guys will be gone soon, as well. On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers.
EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. I disagree. I would speculate that Revival got axed against his will. I would say the same is going to happen to Alive, and he knows it. Otherwise, why would Revival not already have a team lined up if he chose to leave on his own? In addition, why would Alive be trying to contact Complexity publicly on twitter all of the sudden? It's speculation, but I think the entire Korean roster is going to get axed with the exception of Jaedong. And Puma was also axed not so long ago, if you remember. The Koreans have to add something particularly special for a team like EG to keep them on, as they don't have enough foreign fans to justify the investment. Stream numbers are a good indication of ROI for EG. what if eg offered him a rly bad contract ? no pro house , no lan support except for those tournaments where he qualify . i wanna see a top tier pro ( he almost qualified for blizzcon) accepting a bad contract .
EG didn't offer him a bad contract. Many Koreans and foreign teams have different views on what they want. EG and Revival just happen to be another case of it. Again, Revival left out of his own will. I'll make a blog post later to raise some issues that I think everyone would like to read/talk about.
On December 09 2013 21:19 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 20:59 boxerfred wrote:
Let's be honest, if we leave out the hipster fans, noone really likes Revival, aLive, or Oz. I was a Revival fan myself for a long time 'cause I kind of liked his early 2012 playstyle, and I was a a TSL fanboy for some time. But somehow I lost interest (found out about that Life kid royal roading back in 2012 and was thrilled). If that lobby talk is correct ("trash team"), I'm not having any respect for him left. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team treats you, as long as you're in it, you do not pull a totalbiscuit. The lobby chat i translated is 100% correct
The lobby chat you translated is not 100% correct. Please stop.
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On December 10 2013 03:16 dearyuna wrote:
Please don't ruin someone's image for something that's taken largely out of context. No where in that screenshot does he complain about his salary or anything like that. He left EG on good terms and he has a lot of respect for that team.
As Yuna said, please don't take one person's side on a subject matter such as this. Honestly I thought that this community would notice that the date clearly states 07-09-2013. Contextually since then, it makes an image like this invalid.
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On December 10 2013 08:32 dearyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 04:58 SCST wrote:
I disagree. I would speculate that Revival got axed against his will.
Spoke to Revival--he said he left out of his own will. EG was willing to keep him.
I'm glad to hear this actually, since it means he wasn't kicked off. That was the vibe I was getting from what I saw on his stream chat.
Most likely he is looking for other teams... I did enjoy watching him play, as a hipster.
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Once he joins Azubu which I feel is a good choice for him all we need is HyuN to come back for TSL to be completely....revived.
MUAHAHHAHAHAHH
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I stand corrected then on the axed part. It was just speculation, anyhow. Little odd that Alive is contacting Complexity at the same time though . . . . ooh the drama. Can't say I don't enjoy it though in a twisted way, that would be dishonest.
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On December 10 2013 10:35 KaiserKieran wrote:
Once he joins Azubu which I feel is a good choice for him all we need is HyuN to come back for TSL to be completely....revived.
MUAHAHHAHAHAHH
Polt/Alive
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On December 10 2013 07:24 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:45 Shikyo wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 HYRULE15 wrote:
Well, he accomplished much more than Machine, lets see what will happen in the future, good luck to him! I thought that Machine was supposed to be the best player on EG in practice? Machine is just the western version of Soulkey. With some more flaws and some less strengths.
Who the hell is Machine? (I know who he is..)
What has he accomplished? Results?
Does he cast? Does he host?
What are his stream numbers?
Is he even grandmaster?
How the hell are you comparing him to Revival, let alone Soulkey
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On December 10 2013 12:53 BakedButters wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:24 Boucot wrote:On December 10 2013 06:45 Shikyo wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 HYRULE15 wrote:
Well, he accomplished much more than Machine, lets see what will happen in the future, good luck to him! I thought that Machine was supposed to be the best player on EG in practice? Machine is just the western version of Soulkey. With some more flaws and some less strengths. Who the hell is Machine? (I know who he is..) What has he accomplished? Results? Does he cast? Does he host? What are his stream numbers? Is he even grandmaster? How the hell are you comparing him to Revival, let alone Soulkey
Are you Romanian?
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On December 10 2013 12:53 BakedButters wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:24 Boucot wrote:On December 10 2013 06:45 Shikyo wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 HYRULE15 wrote:
Well, he accomplished much more than Machine, lets see what will happen in the future, good luck to him! I thought that Machine was supposed to be the best player on EG in practice? Machine is just the western version of Soulkey. With some more flaws and some less strengths. Who the hell is Machine? (I know who he is..) What has he accomplished? Results? Does he cast? Does he host? What are his stream numbers? Is he even grandmaster? How the hell are you comparing him to Revival, let alone Soulkey
I get the sense that you're missing a joke here
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