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People are so willing to expose themselves on the forums like that, it's great :D
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On December 10 2013 12:53 BakedButters wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:24 Boucot wrote:On December 10 2013 06:45 Shikyo wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 HYRULE15 wrote:
Well, he accomplished much more than Machine, lets see what will happen in the future, good luck to him! I thought that Machine was supposed to be the best player on EG in practice? Machine is just the western version of Soulkey. With some more flaws and some less strengths. Who the hell is Machine? (I know who he is..) What has he accomplished? Results? Does he cast? Does he host? What are his stream numbers? Is he even grandmaster? How the hell are you comparing him to Revival, let alone Soulkey
Machine has an extremely important role to fulfil on team EG- spotting for incontrol.
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On December 10 2013 09:02 dearyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:58 xsnac wrote:On December 10 2013 04:58 SCST wrote:On December 10 2013 04:31 Vorenius wrote:
That's part of it. Another part of it is the player's expectations. If Machine, iNcontrol, or Thorzain were on the same contract as Revival, getting the same salary, and expecting to go to the same tournaments, I have no doubt they would get cut as well.
It's all about understanding what your worth is to a team and then make a deal around that. To EG, Revival's worth isn't the same now as it was a year ago when he was getting better results and EG needed korean based players for PL. So it's either, take a pay cut and stop going to tournaments or try to find another team. That's another part of it, I agree. We don't know the inner-workings of it all, but we have to assume that the responsibilities of the team also mean food, housing, travel and such for members. On top of that, some kind of salary. Anything less would be somewhat of a black eye on EG for treating it's players poorly, which they will not do. The key is, considering what they get in return for exposure regarding Korean players like Revival, Oz and Alive, it probably just isn't worth it anymore to cover the expenses. I completely agree with you that pro-league was the reason they picked these guys up. It would have been great for EG to have a full team in Korea with that much exposure. But since that's gone now, I'm guessing that these guys will be gone soon, as well. On December 10 2013 04:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I highly doubt that anyone on EG is getting the axe. The last players not to get a contract offer were AxSlav and Strifecro, and that was two years ago? And we don't even know how there negotiations went...they could very well have gotten new contract offers.
EG has shown that they'll offer to renew contracts with basically everyone on the team, at what seems to be accurate market value. I disagree. I would speculate that Revival got axed against his will. I would say the same is going to happen to Alive, and he knows it. Otherwise, why would Revival not already have a team lined up if he chose to leave on his own? In addition, why would Alive be trying to contact Complexity publicly on twitter all of the sudden? It's speculation, but I think the entire Korean roster is going to get axed with the exception of Jaedong. And Puma was also axed not so long ago, if you remember. The Koreans have to add something particularly special for a team like EG to keep them on, as they don't have enough foreign fans to justify the investment. Stream numbers are a good indication of ROI for EG. what if eg offered him a rly bad contract ? no pro house , no lan support except for those tournaments where he qualify . i wanna see a top tier pro ( he almost qualified for blizzcon) accepting a bad contract . EG didn't offer him a bad contract. Many Koreans and foreign teams have different views on what they want. EG and Revival just happen to be another case of it. Again, Revival left out of his own will. I'll make a blog post later to raise some issues that I think everyone would like to read/talk about. Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 21:19 mongmong wrote:On December 09 2013 20:59 boxerfred wrote:
Let's be honest, if we leave out the hipster fans, noone really likes Revival, aLive, or Oz. I was a Revival fan myself for a long time 'cause I kind of liked his early 2012 playstyle, and I was a a TSL fanboy for some time. But somehow I lost interest (found out about that Life kid royal roading back in 2012 and was thrilled). If that lobby talk is correct ("trash team"), I'm not having any respect for him left. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team treats you, as long as you're in it, you do not pull a totalbiscuit. The lobby chat i translated is 100% correct The lobby chat you translated is not 100% correct. Please stop.
Can you tell me which part was incorrect. You did the translation yourself and it doesnt make too much difference to me. All you did was adding symbol, hyun chat to what I actually wrote.
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The stray kid. Best of luck
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On December 10 2013 03:16 dearyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 20:59 boxerfred wrote:
Let's be honest, if we leave out the hipster fans, noone really likes Revival, aLive, or Oz. I was a Revival fan myself for a long time 'cause I kind of liked his early 2012 playstyle, and I was a a TSL fanboy for some time. But somehow I lost interest (found out about that Life kid royal roading back in 2012 and was thrilled). If that lobby talk is correct ("trash team"), I'm not having any respect for him left. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team treats you, as long as you're in it, you do not pull a totalbiscuit. Okay, seriously, lower your pitchforks please. I think you guys took the screenshot completely out of context. C an we at least have a full translation instead of picking and choosing which parts to translate and which parts to not? Shame on you mongmong. Revival: Where do I register? Symbol: This friday Revival: They don't even tell us things like this HyuN: But hey Revival (He called Revival Jjakddongah, which is a nickname that the TSL players use for him) Symbol: If you go into the site Revival: This is really a trash team Symbol: It says it there Hyun: There's an overlap with WCG qualifiers Symbol: lolol Hyun: and IEM finals Yes, it's true, Revival used the term "trash team." Yes, it was unprofessional, and yes, it was quite rude. Yes, he was stupid for leaving his stream on by accident while he was having this conversation. However, this conversation, from what I understand from talking to Revival, isn't even recent. This was his own personal conversation that he was having with HyuN and Symbol BEFORE WCG 2013 Qualifiers (Based on HyuN's comment in the conversation), which was back in July. This was a misunderstanding. Revival thought that EG didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, but that was because Revival would be in Shanghai for IEM (which he ended up winning if memory serves me right.) Revival was simply having a bad day and this was ONE moment where he was experiencing frustration. It wasn't right to take it out on his team, but **** happens, and everyone's a human who makes mistakes. When I talked to Revival about it, he felt bad/sorry that this came up online, but he didn't know how to address it or go about it, which is why I'm writing this for him. I know Revival, HyuN, and Symbol personally from working with TSL before it disbanded, and Revival is a super humble person who PROBABLY, other than HyuN, shows the greatest amount of empathy for others. When my father had a heart attack a while back, Revival was one of the first people who checked up on me. Please don't ruin someone's image for something that's taken largely out of context. No where in that screenshot does he complain about his salary or anything like that. He left EG on good terms and he has a lot of respect for that team. Thanks.
And yeah ,let's call your team trash when other players/observers/casters are all in the lobby shall we? I have nothing against Revival, but comments like that show people how immature those players are. You did admit it was unprofessional didn't you? I'd also like to read the connenction between being professional and being a nice guy because funnily enough you mentioned him being suuuuuper nice to you lololol
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On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
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That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log
made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol
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On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol
That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him.
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On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him.
Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it.
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On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it.
Because you're making Revival look like a bad person when he's not.
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On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
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I support this notion
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On December 10 2013 15:28 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. Because you're making Revival look like a bad person when he's not.
Where? how? I uploaded a screenshot, translated chat log and called it unprofessional. That was all I did and I don't know how im trying to make him look like a bad person. Oh yeah im pretty sure he is a nice guy if his friend says so but being nice=/ being professional.
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On December 10 2013 15:30 ETisME wrote:I support this notion
are we talking in game or are we talking an actual translating match? because the second one would be pretty boring I think. on topic probably better to keep this stuff to pms and drop it.
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On December 10 2013 14:43 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 03:16 dearyuna wrote:On December 09 2013 20:59 boxerfred wrote:
Let's be honest, if we leave out the hipster fans, noone really likes Revival, aLive, or Oz. I was a Revival fan myself for a long time 'cause I kind of liked his early 2012 playstyle, and I was a a TSL fanboy for some time. But somehow I lost interest (found out about that Life kid royal roading back in 2012 and was thrilled). If that lobby talk is correct ("trash team"), I'm not having any respect for him left. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team treats you, as long as you're in it, you do not pull a totalbiscuit. Okay, seriously, lower your pitchforks please. I think you guys took the screenshot completely out of context. C an we at least have a full translation instead of picking and choosing which parts to translate and which parts to not? Shame on you mongmong. Revival: Where do I register? Symbol: This friday Revival: They don't even tell us things like this HyuN: But hey Revival (He called Revival Jjakddongah, which is a nickname that the TSL players use for him) Symbol: If you go into the site Revival: This is really a trash team Symbol: It says it there Hyun: There's an overlap with WCG qualifiers Symbol: lolol Hyun: and IEM finals Yes, it's true, Revival used the term "trash team." Yes, it was unprofessional, and yes, it was quite rude. Yes, he was stupid for leaving his stream on by accident while he was having this conversation. However, this conversation, from what I understand from talking to Revival, isn't even recent. This was his own personal conversation that he was having with HyuN and Symbol BEFORE WCG 2013 Qualifiers (Based on HyuN's comment in the conversation), which was back in July. This was a misunderstanding. Revival thought that EG didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, but that was because Revival would be in Shanghai for IEM (which he ended up winning if memory serves me right.) Revival was simply having a bad day and this was ONE moment where he was experiencing frustration. It wasn't right to take it out on his team, but **** happens, and everyone's a human who makes mistakes. When I talked to Revival about it, he felt bad/sorry that this came up online, but he didn't know how to address it or go about it, which is why I'm writing this for him. I know Revival, HyuN, and Symbol personally from working with TSL before it disbanded, and Revival is a super humble person who PROBABLY, other than HyuN, shows the greatest amount of empathy for others. When my father had a heart attack a while back, Revival was one of the first people who checked up on me. Please don't ruin someone's image for something that's taken largely out of context. No where in that screenshot does he complain about his salary or anything like that. He left EG on good terms and he has a lot of respect for that team. Thanks. And yeah ,let's call your team trash when other players/observers/casters are all in the lobby shall we? I have nothing against Revival, but comments like that show people how immature those players are. You did admit it was unprofessional didn't you? I'd also like to read the connenction between being professional and being a nice guy because funnily enough you mentioned him being suuuuuper nice to you lololol
It was just a mistake on Revival's part. No one's perfect. We've all said things we didn't mean really mean to. It's just natural to talk about that kind of stuff with your friends. I'm sure Revival was just a little upset.
In fact, dearyuna stated that Revival and EG parted on good terms. So that screenshot doesn't mean anything anymore.
On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol
dearyuna is a she. She is a well known translator in the world of eSports and highly respected. And honestly, I'd be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad too.
On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it.
She's not "bitching" about it. She's just trying to correct your mistake.
On December 10 2013 15:32 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:28 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. Because you're making Revival look like a bad person when he's not. Where? how? I uploaded a screenshot, translated chat log and called it unprofessional. That was all I did and I don't know how im trying to make him look like a bad person. Oh yeah im pretty sure he is a nice guy if his friend says so but being nice=/ being professional.
There was nothing wrong with what you did. Uploading a screenshot and translating what the players say is a common thing that occurs frequently. However, yuna pointed out that this conversation occurred a long time ago, and that it was also a misunderstanding between EG and Revival.
Because of what you posted, people formed negative opinions about Revival. yuna was just trying to clarify things by explaining things in better context so that people would understand that while Revival made a mistake, it was all just a big misunderstanding.
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On December 10 2013 14:11 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 12:53 BakedButters wrote:On December 10 2013 07:24 Boucot wrote:On December 10 2013 06:45 Shikyo wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 HYRULE15 wrote:
Well, he accomplished much more than Machine, lets see what will happen in the future, good luck to him! I thought that Machine was supposed to be the best player on EG in practice? Machine is just the western version of Soulkey. With some more flaws and some less strengths. Who the hell is Machine? (I know who he is..) What has he accomplished? Results? Does he cast? Does he host? What are his stream numbers? Is he even grandmaster? How the hell are you comparing him to Revival, let alone Soulkey Machine has an extremely important role to fulfil on team EG- spotting for incontrol.
Aye never bench press on your own kids !
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On December 10 2013 16:22 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:43 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 dearyuna wrote:On December 09 2013 20:59 boxerfred wrote:
Let's be honest, if we leave out the hipster fans, noone really likes Revival, aLive, or Oz. I was a Revival fan myself for a long time 'cause I kind of liked his early 2012 playstyle, and I was a a TSL fanboy for some time. But somehow I lost interest (found out about that Life kid royal roading back in 2012 and was thrilled). If that lobby talk is correct ("trash team"), I'm not having any respect for him left. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team treats you, as long as you're in it, you do not pull a totalbiscuit. Okay, seriously, lower your pitchforks please. I think you guys took the screenshot completely out of context. C an we at least have a full translation instead of picking and choosing which parts to translate and which parts to not? Shame on you mongmong. Revival: Where do I register? Symbol: This friday Revival: They don't even tell us things like this HyuN: But hey Revival (He called Revival Jjakddongah, which is a nickname that the TSL players use for him) Symbol: If you go into the site Revival: This is really a trash team Symbol: It says it there Hyun: There's an overlap with WCG qualifiers Symbol: lolol Hyun: and IEM finals Yes, it's true, Revival used the term "trash team." Yes, it was unprofessional, and yes, it was quite rude. Yes, he was stupid for leaving his stream on by accident while he was having this conversation. However, this conversation, from what I understand from talking to Revival, isn't even recent. This was his own personal conversation that he was having with HyuN and Symbol BEFORE WCG 2013 Qualifiers (Based on HyuN's comment in the conversation), which was back in July. This was a misunderstanding. Revival thought that EG didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, but that was because Revival would be in Shanghai for IEM (which he ended up winning if memory serves me right.) Revival was simply having a bad day and this was ONE moment where he was experiencing frustration. It wasn't right to take it out on his team, but **** happens, and everyone's a human who makes mistakes. When I talked to Revival about it, he felt bad/sorry that this came up online, but he didn't know how to address it or go about it, which is why I'm writing this for him. I know Revival, HyuN, and Symbol personally from working with TSL before it disbanded, and Revival is a super humble person who PROBABLY, other than HyuN, shows the greatest amount of empathy for others. When my father had a heart attack a while back, Revival was one of the first people who checked up on me. Please don't ruin someone's image for something that's taken largely out of context. No where in that screenshot does he complain about his salary or anything like that. He left EG on good terms and he has a lot of respect for that team. Thanks. And yeah ,let's call your team trash when other players/observers/casters are all in the lobby shall we? I have nothing against Revival, but comments like that show people how immature those players are. You did admit it was unprofessional didn't you? I'd also like to read the connenction between being professional and being a nice guy because funnily enough you mentioned him being suuuuuper nice to you lololol It was just a mistake on Revival's part. No one's perfect. We've all said things we didn't mean really mean to. It's just natural to talk about that kind of stuff with your friends. I'm sure Revival was just a little upset. In fact, dearyuna stated that Revival and EG parted on good terms. So that screenshot doesn't mean anything anymore. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol dearyuna is a she. She is a well known translator in the world of eSports and highly respected. And honestly, I'd be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad too. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. She's not "bitching" about it. She's just trying to correct your mistake. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:32 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:28 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. Because you're making Revival look like a bad person when he's not. Where? how? I uploaded a screenshot, translated chat log and called it unprofessional. That was all I did and I don't know how im trying to make him look like a bad person. Oh yeah im pretty sure he is a nice guy if his friend says so but being nice=/ being professional. There was nothing wrong with what you did. Uploading a screenshot and translating what the players say is a common thing that occurs frequently. However, yuna pointed out that this conversation occurred a long time ago, and that it was also a misunderstanding between EG and Revival. Because of what you posted, people formed negative opinions about Revival. yuna was just trying to clarify things by explaining things in better context so that people would understand that while Revival made a mistake, it was all just a big misunderstanding.
I don't care what people think about Revival tbh... if you want to look nice to others, don't say shit like that when 10+ people are with you in the lobby, simple isnt it? Maybe we should trace the guy(or girl) who took the screenshot! he probably uploaded it on the internet with some malicious intent
By correcting mistake? what mistake? I haven't made any mistake. That girl was just furious about Revival getting bad image lol.
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On December 10 2013 16:47 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 16:22 Seeker wrote:On December 10 2013 14:43 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 dearyuna wrote:On December 09 2013 20:59 boxerfred wrote:
Let's be honest, if we leave out the hipster fans, noone really likes Revival, aLive, or Oz. I was a Revival fan myself for a long time 'cause I kind of liked his early 2012 playstyle, and I was a a TSL fanboy for some time. But somehow I lost interest (found out about that Life kid royal roading back in 2012 and was thrilled). If that lobby talk is correct ("trash team"), I'm not having any respect for him left. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team treats you, as long as you're in it, you do not pull a totalbiscuit. Okay, seriously, lower your pitchforks please. I think you guys took the screenshot completely out of context. C an we at least have a full translation instead of picking and choosing which parts to translate and which parts to not? Shame on you mongmong. Revival: Where do I register? Symbol: This friday Revival: They don't even tell us things like this HyuN: But hey Revival (He called Revival Jjakddongah, which is a nickname that the TSL players use for him) Symbol: If you go into the site Revival: This is really a trash team Symbol: It says it there Hyun: There's an overlap with WCG qualifiers Symbol: lolol Hyun: and IEM finals Yes, it's true, Revival used the term "trash team." Yes, it was unprofessional, and yes, it was quite rude. Yes, he was stupid for leaving his stream on by accident while he was having this conversation. However, this conversation, from what I understand from talking to Revival, isn't even recent. This was his own personal conversation that he was having with HyuN and Symbol BEFORE WCG 2013 Qualifiers (Based on HyuN's comment in the conversation), which was back in July. This was a misunderstanding. Revival thought that EG didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, but that was because Revival would be in Shanghai for IEM (which he ended up winning if memory serves me right.) Revival was simply having a bad day and this was ONE moment where he was experiencing frustration. It wasn't right to take it out on his team, but **** happens, and everyone's a human who makes mistakes. When I talked to Revival about it, he felt bad/sorry that this came up online, but he didn't know how to address it or go about it, which is why I'm writing this for him. I know Revival, HyuN, and Symbol personally from working with TSL before it disbanded, and Revival is a super humble person who PROBABLY, other than HyuN, shows the greatest amount of empathy for others. When my father had a heart attack a while back, Revival was one of the first people who checked up on me. Please don't ruin someone's image for something that's taken largely out of context. No where in that screenshot does he complain about his salary or anything like that. He left EG on good terms and he has a lot of respect for that team. Thanks. And yeah ,let's call your team trash when other players/observers/casters are all in the lobby shall we? I have nothing against Revival, but comments like that show people how immature those players are. You did admit it was unprofessional didn't you? I'd also like to read the connenction between being professional and being a nice guy because funnily enough you mentioned him being suuuuuper nice to you lololol It was just a mistake on Revival's part. No one's perfect. We've all said things we didn't mean really mean to. It's just natural to talk about that kind of stuff with your friends. I'm sure Revival was just a little upset. In fact, dearyuna stated that Revival and EG parted on good terms. So that screenshot doesn't mean anything anymore. On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol dearyuna is a she. She is a well known translator in the world of eSports and highly respected. And honestly, I'd be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad too. On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. She's not "bitching" about it. She's just trying to correct your mistake. On December 10 2013 15:32 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:28 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. Because you're making Revival look like a bad person when he's not. Where? how? I uploaded a screenshot, translated chat log and called it unprofessional. That was all I did and I don't know how im trying to make him look like a bad person. Oh yeah im pretty sure he is a nice guy if his friend says so but being nice=/ being professional. There was nothing wrong with what you did. Uploading a screenshot and translating what the players say is a common thing that occurs frequently. However, yuna pointed out that this conversation occurred a long time ago, and that it was also a misunderstanding between EG and Revival. Because of what you posted, people formed negative opinions about Revival. yuna was just trying to clarify things by explaining things in better context so that people would understand that while Revival made a mistake, it was all just a big misunderstanding. I don't care what people think about Revival tbh... if you want to look nice to others, don't say shit like that when 10+ people are with you in the lobby, simple isnt it? Maybe we should trace the guy(or girl) who took the screenshot! he probably uploaded it on the internet with some malicious intent By correcting mistake? what mistake? I haven't made any mistake. That girl was just furious about Revival getting bad image lol.
She stated that Revival said what he said because he thought EG purposely didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, when in fact, EG just didn't say anything because they knew he was going to be at IEM during that time.
So while it wasn't necessarily a mistake on your part, a mistake did occur because of the lack of information behind that screenshot conversation.
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On December 10 2013 17:28 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 16:47 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 16:22 Seeker wrote:On December 10 2013 14:43 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 dearyuna wrote:On December 09 2013 20:59 boxerfred wrote:
Let's be honest, if we leave out the hipster fans, noone really likes Revival, aLive, or Oz. I was a Revival fan myself for a long time 'cause I kind of liked his early 2012 playstyle, and I was a a TSL fanboy for some time. But somehow I lost interest (found out about that Life kid royal roading back in 2012 and was thrilled). If that lobby talk is correct ("trash team"), I'm not having any respect for him left. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team treats you, as long as you're in it, you do not pull a totalbiscuit. Okay, seriously, lower your pitchforks please. I think you guys took the screenshot completely out of context. C an we at least have a full translation instead of picking and choosing which parts to translate and which parts to not? Shame on you mongmong. Revival: Where do I register? Symbol: This friday Revival: They don't even tell us things like this HyuN: But hey Revival (He called Revival Jjakddongah, which is a nickname that the TSL players use for him) Symbol: If you go into the site Revival: This is really a trash team Symbol: It says it there Hyun: There's an overlap with WCG qualifiers Symbol: lolol Hyun: and IEM finals Yes, it's true, Revival used the term "trash team." Yes, it was unprofessional, and yes, it was quite rude. Yes, he was stupid for leaving his stream on by accident while he was having this conversation. However, this conversation, from what I understand from talking to Revival, isn't even recent. This was his own personal conversation that he was having with HyuN and Symbol BEFORE WCG 2013 Qualifiers (Based on HyuN's comment in the conversation), which was back in July. This was a misunderstanding. Revival thought that EG didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, but that was because Revival would be in Shanghai for IEM (which he ended up winning if memory serves me right.) Revival was simply having a bad day and this was ONE moment where he was experiencing frustration. It wasn't right to take it out on his team, but **** happens, and everyone's a human who makes mistakes. When I talked to Revival about it, he felt bad/sorry that this came up online, but he didn't know how to address it or go about it, which is why I'm writing this for him. I know Revival, HyuN, and Symbol personally from working with TSL before it disbanded, and Revival is a super humble person who PROBABLY, other than HyuN, shows the greatest amount of empathy for others. When my father had a heart attack a while back, Revival was one of the first people who checked up on me. Please don't ruin someone's image for something that's taken largely out of context. No where in that screenshot does he complain about his salary or anything like that. He left EG on good terms and he has a lot of respect for that team. Thanks. And yeah ,let's call your team trash when other players/observers/casters are all in the lobby shall we? I have nothing against Revival, but comments like that show people how immature those players are. You did admit it was unprofessional didn't you? I'd also like to read the connenction between being professional and being a nice guy because funnily enough you mentioned him being suuuuuper nice to you lololol It was just a mistake on Revival's part. No one's perfect. We've all said things we didn't mean really mean to. It's just natural to talk about that kind of stuff with your friends. I'm sure Revival was just a little upset. In fact, dearyuna stated that Revival and EG parted on good terms. So that screenshot doesn't mean anything anymore. On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol dearyuna is a she. She is a well known translator in the world of eSports and highly respected. And honestly, I'd be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad too. On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. She's not "bitching" about it. She's just trying to correct your mistake. On December 10 2013 15:32 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:28 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. Because you're making Revival look like a bad person when he's not. Where? how? I uploaded a screenshot, translated chat log and called it unprofessional. That was all I did and I don't know how im trying to make him look like a bad person. Oh yeah im pretty sure he is a nice guy if his friend says so but being nice=/ being professional. There was nothing wrong with what you did. Uploading a screenshot and translating what the players say is a common thing that occurs frequently. However, yuna pointed out that this conversation occurred a long time ago, and that it was also a misunderstanding between EG and Revival. Because of what you posted, people formed negative opinions about Revival. yuna was just trying to clarify things by explaining things in better context so that people would understand that while Revival made a mistake, it was all just a big misunderstanding. I don't care what people think about Revival tbh... if you want to look nice to others, don't say shit like that when 10+ people are with you in the lobby, simple isnt it? Maybe we should trace the guy(or girl) who took the screenshot! he probably uploaded it on the internet with some malicious intent By correcting mistake? what mistake? I haven't made any mistake. That girl was just furious about Revival getting bad image lol. She stated that Revival said what he said because he thought EG purposely didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, when in fact, EG just didn't say anything because they knew he was going to be at IEM during that time. So while it wasn't necessarily a mistake on your part, a mistake did occur because of the lack of information behind that screenshot conversation.
So EG didn't tell anything to Revival knowing that he would be attending IEM. Revival thought EG management was being lazy therefore called his team trash.
I don't know what has changed really? EG didn't do anything wrong. Revival made a stupid mistake of calling his team trash in a lobby with 10+ people or it could be interpreted as "EG being incompetent"
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Revival is still in the wrong for saying something like that hastily for people to see, but at least dearyuna's translation explains the circumstances behind it.
EG didn't tell Revival about the qualifiers.
Revival didn't understand why they wouldn't tell him, and got upset.
Turns out it was because of Revival's participation in IEM Shanghai.
Revival didn't say it because he's a bad or arrogant person, as some people concluded. He said it because he was upset with EG because of the miscommunication. He's still wrong for saying it but at least people now understand that he said it in frustration (and EG really didn't tell him about it, even though they had a reason) and not spite.
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On December 10 2013 17:38 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 17:28 Seeker wrote:On December 10 2013 16:47 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 16:22 Seeker wrote:On December 10 2013 14:43 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 03:16 dearyuna wrote:On December 09 2013 20:59 boxerfred wrote:
Let's be honest, if we leave out the hipster fans, noone really likes Revival, aLive, or Oz. I was a Revival fan myself for a long time 'cause I kind of liked his early 2012 playstyle, and I was a a TSL fanboy for some time. But somehow I lost interest (found out about that Life kid royal roading back in 2012 and was thrilled). If that lobby talk is correct ("trash team"), I'm not having any respect for him left. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team treats you, as long as you're in it, you do not pull a totalbiscuit. Okay, seriously, lower your pitchforks please. I think you guys took the screenshot completely out of context. C an we at least have a full translation instead of picking and choosing which parts to translate and which parts to not? Shame on you mongmong. Revival: Where do I register? Symbol: This friday Revival: They don't even tell us things like this HyuN: But hey Revival (He called Revival Jjakddongah, which is a nickname that the TSL players use for him) Symbol: If you go into the site Revival: This is really a trash team Symbol: It says it there Hyun: There's an overlap with WCG qualifiers Symbol: lolol Hyun: and IEM finals Yes, it's true, Revival used the term "trash team." Yes, it was unprofessional, and yes, it was quite rude. Yes, he was stupid for leaving his stream on by accident while he was having this conversation. However, this conversation, from what I understand from talking to Revival, isn't even recent. This was his own personal conversation that he was having with HyuN and Symbol BEFORE WCG 2013 Qualifiers (Based on HyuN's comment in the conversation), which was back in July. This was a misunderstanding. Revival thought that EG didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, but that was because Revival would be in Shanghai for IEM (which he ended up winning if memory serves me right.) Revival was simply having a bad day and this was ONE moment where he was experiencing frustration. It wasn't right to take it out on his team, but **** happens, and everyone's a human who makes mistakes. When I talked to Revival about it, he felt bad/sorry that this came up online, but he didn't know how to address it or go about it, which is why I'm writing this for him. I know Revival, HyuN, and Symbol personally from working with TSL before it disbanded, and Revival is a super humble person who PROBABLY, other than HyuN, shows the greatest amount of empathy for others. When my father had a heart attack a while back, Revival was one of the first people who checked up on me. Please don't ruin someone's image for something that's taken largely out of context. No where in that screenshot does he complain about his salary or anything like that. He left EG on good terms and he has a lot of respect for that team. Thanks. And yeah ,let's call your team trash when other players/observers/casters are all in the lobby shall we? I have nothing against Revival, but comments like that show people how immature those players are. You did admit it was unprofessional didn't you? I'd also like to read the connenction between being professional and being a nice guy because funnily enough you mentioned him being suuuuuper nice to you lololol It was just a mistake on Revival's part. No one's perfect. We've all said things we didn't mean really mean to. It's just natural to talk about that kind of stuff with your friends. I'm sure Revival was just a little upset. In fact, dearyuna stated that Revival and EG parted on good terms. So that screenshot doesn't mean anything anymore. On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol dearyuna is a she. She is a well known translator in the world of eSports and highly respected. And honestly, I'd be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad too. On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. She's not "bitching" about it. She's just trying to correct your mistake. On December 10 2013 15:32 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:28 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 15:22 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 15:12 Elite_ wrote:On December 10 2013 14:55 mongmong wrote:On December 10 2013 14:51 lichter wrote:
Translator grudgematch gogogo That kid was just overreacting. I had no intention of bashing Revival and apparently translating a chat log made him maaaaaaaaaaaaaad lololol That "kid" was actually the translator for TSL... She knows Revival personally and is a lot better than you at predicting Revival's personal feelings on the matter, mostly because she actually talks to him. Yeah the thing is, She and I both admitted it was unprofessional behaviorand I don't understand why she keeps bitching about it. Because you're making Revival look like a bad person when he's not. Where? how? I uploaded a screenshot, translated chat log and called it unprofessional. That was all I did and I don't know how im trying to make him look like a bad person. Oh yeah im pretty sure he is a nice guy if his friend says so but being nice=/ being professional. There was nothing wrong with what you did. Uploading a screenshot and translating what the players say is a common thing that occurs frequently. However, yuna pointed out that this conversation occurred a long time ago, and that it was also a misunderstanding between EG and Revival. Because of what you posted, people formed negative opinions about Revival. yuna was just trying to clarify things by explaining things in better context so that people would understand that while Revival made a mistake, it was all just a big misunderstanding. I don't care what people think about Revival tbh... if you want to look nice to others, don't say shit like that when 10+ people are with you in the lobby, simple isnt it? Maybe we should trace the guy(or girl) who took the screenshot! he probably uploaded it on the internet with some malicious intent By correcting mistake? what mistake? I haven't made any mistake. That girl was just furious about Revival getting bad image lol. She stated that Revival said what he said because he thought EG purposely didn't tell him about WCG qualifiers, when in fact, EG just didn't say anything because they knew he was going to be at IEM during that time. So while it wasn't necessarily a mistake on your part, a mistake did occur because of the lack of information behind that screenshot conversation. So EG didn't tell anything to Revival knowing that he would be attending IEM. Revival thought EG management was being lazy therefore called his team trash. I don't know what has changed really? EG didn't do anything wrong. Revival made a stupid mistake of calling his team trash in a lobby with 10+ people or it could be interpreted as "EG being incompetent"
The problem is that you're trying to link one minor chat "incident" (and it barely even qualifies for that) to Revival's attitude in general, and his leaving EG.
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