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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Mvp -- arguably worst year in career aLive -- fell flat this year Maru -- one good run in GSL, two not-so-great ones Naniwa -- retired duckdeok -- retired Dear -- no excuse, just bad year Soulkey -- is on break/"retired?" sOs -- not too familiar with him It makes sense that these guys didn't make it back. Would've taken a miracle for any of them to win it this year, given their current forms. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On October 05 2014 08:26 IntoTheheart wrote: Didn't Qualify: Mvp -- arguably worst year in career aLive -- fell flat this year Maru -- one good run in GSL, two not-so-great ones Naniwa -- retired duckdeok -- retired Dear -- no excuse, just bad year Soulkey -- is on break/"retired?" sOs -- not too familiar with him It makes sense that these guys didn't make it back. Would've taken a miracle for any of them to win it this year, given their current forms. "They didn't make it back because they didn't win enough games to earn the required WCS points." That's kind of a given, don't you think? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On October 05 2014 08:30 pure.Wasted wrote: "They didn't make it back because they didn't win enough games to earn the required WCS points." That's kind of a given, don't you think? It is a given. But I feel like some of these guys just... collapsed in 2014. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
Wouldn't Bomber technically count as a "KR heavy hitter" returning, since he made it from WCS Korea last year? | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On October 05 2014 08:59 Xoronius wrote: Well, sOs isn't too far away, he is on rank 18 and only 350 points short of qualification. Wouldn't Bomber technically count as a "KR heavy hitter" returning, since he made it from WCS Korea last year? Depends on the point of the categorization. If its just to see which established, KR-proven players are still doing well, yes. If (as I was thinking when I excluded him) its to demonstrate just how cutthroat KR is in practice, then no, since his triumph this year is outside of KR. I should have been clearer with what I was getting at. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
On October 05 2014 08:19 pure.Wasted wrote: Lots of the same Terrans are back, while Protoss and Zerg are rotating a lot more. Also, the KR heavy hitters (Maru, Dear, Soulkey, sOs) who all have a legit chance of winning got screwed by WCS. The only returning KR player is Inno, and that's by the skin of his teeth (4-2 in the last possible final of the year). MC, Polt, Taeja, Bomber, and MMA are all NA/EU WCS farmers. Dear didn't do well at all this WCS and that has nothing to do with the changes made this year. He didn't make Ro8 in any of the GSLs so the lack of season finals wouldn't have screwed him, and the only notable results this year was getting second at ASUS, which would not have been enough anyway. Soulkey's performance was also pretty bad this year. Again, I don't see how it has to do with WCS. I mean he made Ro8 once, which may have led to him doing well in the season final if it had existed, but he would have to win that season final in order to qualify and that's a pretty slim chance. sOs is in a similar situation with Soulkey, but he's much closer due to him winning the IEM championship. Personally I think he could've made Blizzcon but he really screwed up during the end because he only needed 375 points to guarantee a Blizzcon spot and he had quite a few chances: GSL Season 3 semi, IEM Toronto semi, Red Bull semi, and KeSPA Cup 1 game away from that spot (or a lower placement combination of those). On the other hand, Maru, Solar, Rain, ForGG, Golden, Welmu, Vortix, Heart, and Alicia got pretty screwed by the new WCS system because they all made Ro8 or above at least twice and could have had the chance to prove themselves in the season finals and earn enough points for Blizzcon, but I guess we would only regret that Maru and Rain didn't make it. | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
The only players I'm sad didn't make it are sOs and Maru. sOs has so much personality in his play and Maru is definitely the best Terran in the world--too bad he had to play most of the year with Terran weakest race (no coincidence that all the Terrans in Blizzcon either play mostly outside of Korea or got in on the basis of their S3 post-Terran buff performance. Also he should have attended at least a FEW foreign tournaments... sOs's PvP really let him down at the end of the year, losing after being up 2-0 on Zest in KeSPA Cup, getting killed by Trap twice at Red Bull, etc. | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On October 05 2014 08:26 IntoTheheart wrote: Didn't Qualify: Mvp -- arguably worst year in career I don't think it's "arguable" at all--this is definitely the worst year of Mvp's career. He did better in the few months of 2010 than this year. Honestly, you can never count out a resurgence but with IM going away and him forced to play in GSL again next year I'm basically thinking of him as retired. On October 05 2014 08:26 IntoTheheart wrote: Dear -- no excuse, just bad year Not much doubt what happened here: his "join a foreign team" expedition was an even bigger failure than Innovation's was. They were in the top 5 best players in the world in 2013 and went straight downhill this year (obviously Inno did make that great comeback right at the end). Given that (and the relatively little success others like YoDa and First have had), I'm a little surprised at the recent rush of KeSPA players wanting to join foreign teams. Not everyone can be MC or Bomber or TaeJa. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On October 05 2014 10:14 Yakikorosu wrote: I don't think it's "arguable" at all--this is definitely the worst year of Mvp's career. He did better in the few months of 2010 than this year. Honestly, you can never count out a resurgence but with IM going away and him forced to play in GSL again next year I'm basically thinking of him as retired. Not much doubt what happened here: his "join a foreign team" expedition was an even bigger failure than Innovation's was. They were in the top 5 best players in the world in 2013 and went straight downhill this year (obviously Inno did make that great comeback right at the end). Given that (and the relatively little success others like YoDa and First have had), I'm a little surprised at the recent rush of KeSPA players wanting to join foreign teams. Not everyone can be MC or Bomber or TaeJa. Yeah... a solid chunk of SKT just decided to go on that expedition as well. Especially Rain, who I thought had amazing potential as an absolute monster in Korea.  I'm scared for SKT next season.I think that only a few players really had strong success after they left Korea. If you look at Dear, he's a guy who was incredible in 2013 and just dropped off completely. He joined Samsung KHAN, a 5th-place SPL team and the only original KeSPA team that wasn't in the playoffs. Not to sound like I dislike KHAN, (far from it) but they aren't the sort of team that an ex-Korean player would be excited to play in, especially one with as much starpower as Dear. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On October 05 2014 10:45 LimeNade wrote: edit: dunno why but my post double posted Lag. It happens. To your actual response: yeah, all or nothing. :O | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2399 Posts
traitor ! | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
I wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure there are still plenty of people that want you to win. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
I'm amazed that you bothered posting a reply at all.  | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On October 05 2014 11:25 The_Templar wrote: I wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure there are still plenty of people that want you to win. Well she is the foreign hope now. That is gonna be a lot of disappointed people come next round. | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On October 05 2014 10:20 IntoTheheart wrote: Yeah... a solid chunk of SKT just decided to go on that expedition as well. Especially Rain, who I thought had amazing potential as an absolute monster in Korea. I'm scared for SKT next season.I think that only a few players really had strong success after they left Korea. If you look at Dear, he's a guy who was incredible in 2013 and just dropped off completely. He joined Samsung KHAN, a 5th-place SPL team and the only original KeSPA team that wasn't in the playoffs. Not to sound like I dislike KHAN, (far from it) but they aren't the sort of team that an ex-Korean player would be excited to play in, especially one with as much starpower as Dear. Errr... Samsung is one of the most tenured teams alongside SKT, KT, and CJ, simply because it is backed by a stable conglomerate (electronics, telecoms, and industral). It's actually a desirable team for anyone concerned about their career as a pro gamer. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On October 05 2014 12:02 orvinreyes wrote: Errr... Samsung is one of the most tenured teams alongside SKT, KT, and CJ, simply because it is backed by a stable conglomerate (electronics, telecoms, and industral). It's actually a desirable team for anyone concerned about their career as a pro gamer. Wouldn't their historically lackluster performance in SPL put a bit of a damper, or do you think that it's not a factor given the stability? Because I would agree that Samsung has always been a stable team and isn't worrying about sponsors disappearing, unlike some foreign teams. | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
On October 05 2014 12:10 IntoTheheart wrote: Wouldn't their historically lackluster performance in SPL put a bit of a damper, or do you think that it's not a factor given the stability? Because I would agree that Samsung has always been a stable team and isn't worrying about sponsors disappearing, unlike some foreign teams. From a career perspective, longevity is way more important, think about why Stork denied free transfer twice. | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On October 05 2014 12:10 IntoTheheart wrote: Wouldn't their historically lackluster performance in SPL put a bit of a damper, or do you think that it's not a factor given the stability? Because I would agree that Samsung has always been a stable team and isn't worrying about sponsors disappearing, unlike some foreign teams. Also from what I've heard, the Samsung team house is known for having the best food of all the team houses. | ||
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