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best desk, chair angles for sc2 and proper posture

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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 13:05:48
November 01 2013 11:36 GMT
#1
Hi TL! I've been playing a lot of sc2, enough to make me worried about my wrists.

I always knew posture and desk height were important, but for a long time I operated on the false assumption that you should do what is comfortable for you. Recently I learned how to type and how important it is to type with your keyboard on the edge of the table. This is the most widely circulated typing posture diagram on the internet referred to by MDs themselves.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=typing posture&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=A4ZzUqmOA4j4yQGxv4F4&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=976#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=PyLhF8YXgYOYoM:;D7y756up9U_rvM;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stkildaroadchiropractic.com.au%2Fimages%2Fposture.jpg;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jtwellbeing.com%2Fp%2Fworkstation-ergonomics.html;600;483

Indeed, it appears Jaedong is following this diagram religiously. Check out those perfect 90 degree angles in his elbows. It seems most gamers also play with the same angling of the elbows and wrists. Also, notice how top of his screen is at or slightly below eye level.

http://imageshack.us/f/29/ij2c.png/

My question is are the desks at tournaments all a set height/made by certain companies? Or do players just adjust their chairs? It would be great if someone who frequents tournaments could answer this.

This picture of Maru makes it seem like shorter gamers might have a problem. He's way too short for the desk. I have to wonder if he actually plans on playing like this!

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/myu1.png/

Is this day 9 daily http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-252-secrets-of-hotkeys-apm-and-mouse-movement/ Day 9 says to play with your wrist pivot on the edge of your desk. There seems to be some controversy on this subject. Is this the best way? The general consensus from watching pros play is YES. Should the keyboard also be on the edge of the desk or a few inches away from the edge? Demuslim appears to prefer the latter. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/qahk.png/ His elbows are slightly angled up and his keyboard is a few inches from the edge of the desk. Coincidence? I don't think so.

How about resting the keyboard hand while playing? In this rather hilarious TL topic the opinions seems divided. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=310871 on whether the keyboard hand should be resting or not. Losira definitely has his keyboard hand hovering and also leaves it a few inches from the edge of his desk.

Flash rests his wrist on the table and lets it floats when he needs to reach hotkeys. He also has his arms angled slightly less than 90 degrees, like Demuslim.




Tons of first person videos can be found on Khaldor's youtube channel.


I think a comprehensive guide is lacking on how to make a proper gaming set up. It's not like this kind of thing hasn't been researched. I'm sure the Korean gaming houses have been using the same set ups successfully for years.

Edit: if anyone knows how to make pics appear instead of links pm me.


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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
November 01 2013 11:54 GMT
#2
well u can just press the add image button :D

tbh i have my keyboard and mouse far up my desk so my arms lie on the desk but i never had any problems
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-01 11:58:46
November 01 2013 11:58 GMT
#3
On November 01 2013 20:54 teddyoojo wrote:
well u can just press the add image button :D

tbh i have my keyboard and mouse far up my desk so my arms lie on the desk but i never had any problems


I was doing the same until 2 weeks ago. Since I moved my board to the edge of the desk my typing has improved by 10 wpm and I honestly couldn't imagine going back.

Add image button was what I used but it just said "image loading."
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12715 Posts
November 01 2013 12:04 GMT
#4
I don't understand why the monitor is supposed to be lower than what your normal head would be facing.
JD posture is actually similar to me, the back is not straight and the head is leaning forward to the monitor, I think this is really bad for the back and the neck.
hopefully I will find a fix for this soon
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
November 01 2013 12:11 GMT
#5
On November 01 2013 21:04 ETisME wrote:
I don't understand why the monitor is supposed to be lower than what your normal head would be facing.
JD posture is actually similar to me, the back is not straight and the head is leaning forward to the monitor, I think this is really bad for the back and the neck.
hopefully I will find a fix for this soon

I have been told it depends on if you need to watch your keyboard (if so top of your monitor can be bit below your eyes), or if you can type blindly (if so, top of monitor bit above your eyes, so you can see your monitor without having to look up, it is better to watch down for the bottom, than watch up for the top).

However these things are just guidelines. There is also a matter of personal preference and it also isn't exactly static what 'they' consider to be the best way. Personally I just put most stuff how I liked it, and when someone at my work measured everything for health regulations it was all pretty much spot-on the recommended values, but others can prefer it different.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45915 Posts
November 01 2013 12:14 GMT
#6
A thread about posture, sitting, and perfect measurements and angles while you play StarCraft, and Flash isn't mentioned anywhere?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
November 01 2013 12:36 GMT
#7
personal preference shouldn't really come into it. there is a scientific consensus on this sort of thing and that's what should be followed rather than an emotional connection with a certain (possibly incorrect) posture
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
November 01 2013 12:45 GMT
#8
On November 01 2013 21:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A thread about posture, sitting, and perfect measurements and angles while you play StarCraft, and Flash isn't mentioned anywhere?

Fixed
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45915 Posts
November 01 2013 19:13 GMT
#9
On November 01 2013 21:45 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 21:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A thread about posture, sitting, and perfect measurements and angles while you play StarCraft, and Flash isn't mentioned anywhere?

Fixed


Thanks haha
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