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Doublemint
Austria8695 Posts
On October 17 2013 07:53 Waxangel wrote: the fact that they can take it to this level means they're actually really good friends I guess? Or each other's worst nightmares... HYPE! | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On October 17 2013 16:07 Musicus wrote: Well that's also why they don't win the final very often. Bo5s and especially bo7s are hard for them, because the opponents adjust to the all-ins and timings and once the surprise factor is gone Protoss hardly wins. In my opinion Protoss are the strongest in bo1s and get weaker the longer the series goes. I think PL stats and the results in big finals support the idea. Edit: Also nice interviews and Soo will crush Dear! Nah, it´s because Protoss is the easiest race, which is supported by the fact that only Protoss got through the KR-EU lag, when they had to face several EU players... Or it´s not.  | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8695 Posts
On October 17 2013 16:14 Daswollvieh wrote: Nah, it´s because Protoss is the easiest race, which is supported by the fact that only Protoss got through the KR-EU lag, when they had to face several EU players... Or it´s not. Protoss players confirmed best players. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:09 chiasmus wrote: Ha, if so, this is the second time he's fallen victim to a bad transcription, see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429977. Poor YoungJoo. It is not mistake Kim Myung Joon is a former FXO rookie terran  Phoenix. | ||
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
On October 17 2013 15:42 Liquid`Ret wrote:Protoss is a 2 base race (with 3 base plays thrown in as a strong/good surprise strategy) and none of the top protoss seem to abuse it to the max. This is the ultimate hidden truth of SC2. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8695 Posts
On October 17 2013 15:42 Liquid`Ret wrote: Judging from the interview, Dear will not win. He's going to play macro games and lose. Protoss is a 2 base race (with 3 base plays thrown in as a strong/good surprise strategy) and none of the top protoss seem to abuse it to the max. It's all just MINDGAMES. Considering the fact that he fooled even you confirms his easy victory! | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On October 17 2013 15:42 Liquid`Ret wrote: Judging from the interview, Dear will not win. He's going to play macro games and lose. Protoss is a 2 base race (with 3 base plays thrown in as a strong/good surprise strategy) and none of the top protoss seem to abuse it to the max. Well if the zerg overdrones every game I'm not surprised 2 base toss seems way stronger than macro play. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8695 Posts
On October 17 2013 16:21 Scarecrow wrote: Well if the zerg overdrones every game I'm not surprised 2 base toss seems way stronger than macro play. Ouch. :D | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
PvZ ftw! | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
cant wait to see them in the stage | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On October 17 2013 15:42 Liquid`Ret wrote: Judging from the interview, Dear will not win. He's going to play macro games and lose. Protoss is a 2 base race (with 3 base plays thrown in as a strong/good surprise strategy) and none of the top protoss seem to abuse it to the max. Isn't your protoss teammate a good example of protoss macro being just as good if played well? Also: And if you win the championship? Dear: I would want to cry, but I think I'll win so easily that I just won't be able to. cracked me up | ||
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Sassback
United States718 Posts
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
Dear: soO compliments me a lot on battle.net Dear confirmed for never logging onto battle.net. Compliments are a myth. | ||
Waxangel
United States33525 Posts
On October 17 2013 16:21 Scarecrow wrote: Well if the zerg overdrones every game I'm not surprised 2 base toss seems way stronger than macro play. Dunno, I've always thought that Ret was way better than most Zergs at sniffing out Protoss intentions and cutting drones at jsut the right moment to stop all-ins and pressure. I think the more applicable stereotype is impaling roaches on force-fields at various phases of the game. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 17 2013 17:07 shabby wrote: Dear confirmed for never logging onto battle.net. Compliments are a myth. I always was sure they knew who was playing on barcodes. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3690 Posts
On October 17 2013 15:42 Liquid`Ret wrote: Judging from the interview, Dear will not win. He's going to play macro games and lose. Protoss is a 2 base race (with 3 base plays thrown in as a strong/good surprise strategy) and none of the top protoss seem to abuse it to the max. It's not 2011 anymore. IMO Rain has shown that protoss can be an extremely strong makro race, it's just way harder to do and there is almost nobody who does it well enough. IMO the fact that warpgate disables defenders advantage (which star 2 minimized anyways via removing high ground miss chance) does obviously first and for most lead to stronger allins/cheeses, however I feel like it also stresses the importance of build orders more than any other race in the history of rts which leads to players having to have abilities that go way past the obvious mechanical challenge known from brood war. However buffing attacking like that also means that the lategame can become your strength as protoss pretty much gets 2 production cycles in the time of half of one production cycle if you use chrono boost, to me that means that the the race can definitely play for the lategame and be successful, and imo rain has proven that enough times by now. I do agree however that due to the stressed importance of build orders in all protoss matchups (which imo is not a bad thing just a meta skill for players to have beyond the game, the better player should not only have better mechanics but also better builds anyways) that protoss pretty much has to mix it up to actually win as proven by naniwa vs life where he went void ray storm every single game. I just don't feel like you should call the entire race a 2 base race just because that is the most obvious way to abuse warpgate tech. Also compared to other races I think protoss does become exciting because you can deviate between 2 base/3 base and total makro styles, while all we see in matchups like tvz is the same makro build on both sides with a few deviation and cheeses. I guess it's personal preference whether you think more highly of mechanically demanding play or mentally demanding play. | ||
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tomastaz
United States976 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
Edit: Lorch, dude, the enter key. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 18 2013 00:02 Grumbels wrote: sOo will win 4-1 or 4-2, I can't really see any other outcome. There are players like San that have many strong two base attacks, and I feel like with using recall and the new warp prism there should be powerful ways for protoss to keep zerg honest. But if Dear is likely going to mix in macro games he will lose, and I don't think he can keep surprising sOo with two base attacks to win four games either. soO beaten Soulkey in GSL, he is destined to get 2nd place now. Or he will pull an MvP and actually 4-2 Dear. | ||
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