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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 02 2013 01:51 Hider wrote: Unfortunately this is wrong; Please just stop the bias. Sc2 is in a decline and will continue its decline until LOTV gets out. Sorry, did you just ask me to "stop" my bias towards SC2? I don't think I'd ever be more in the right when I say "get off my lawn" you are on a fucking SC2 forum you complete and utter idiot. | ||
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sotaporo
Finland195 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:58 bartus88 wrote: The lower numbers for WCS Europe may have a bit to do with Twitch. For instance, my brother used to be an avid SC2 viewer and would hardly ever miss GSL or whatever tournament was going on. However, nowadays he doesn't watch nearly as much, especially WCS, because he is fed up with how bad Twitch performs. And from what I've read on TL/Reddit, the same thing goes for plenty other people. Although I don't like blaming Twitch for the decreasing WCS numbers, they appear to be a great contributor to the declining viewership. amen to that. i used to watch tons of streams but now that good quality stream just lags like crazy i just watch what i absolutely wanna watch. | ||
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Eggi
478 Posts
I must say as a streaming up-and-comer I have really noticed a increase in my viewership. Last month I was averaging 20~ per sessions, now I am up to ~42. Its a really good time to start streaming if you've always wanted to give it a shot at becoming a popular streamer! #positive | ||
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Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46024 Posts
Nice to see a couple new faces, although EG (both old and new) and TL seem to still be leading in terms of visibility. | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
On October 02 2013 02:02 iNcontroL wrote: Sorry, did you just ask me to "stop" my bias towards SC2? I don't think I'd ever be more in the right when I say "get off my lawn" you are on a fucking SC2 forum you complete and utter idiot. Until you provide legitimate numbers you have not proven anything in regards to the viewership being the same as previous month or increasing. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On October 02 2013 02:09 Darkdwarf wrote: Could you bring back the graph of tournament viewership as well? I suggest Fuzic for that: Here's the page for Dreamhack Day 1, for instance. That site is far better to visualize singular tournaments than what I do here, though I was considering simply including their graphs in my monthly reports (only with permission, of course!). | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
a) in a hurry and wants to release LotV asap b) concerned and wants to take time to release the best LotV possible c) unphased | ||
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
On October 02 2013 02:25 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wonder if blizzard is a) in a hurry and wants to release LotV asap b) concerned and wants to take time to release the best LotV possible c) unphased i'd say in relation to numbers they're working on getting the WCS product better and better which should lead to growth. not sure. couple of things make me think why viewer numbers are (slightly) decreasing, and that's a) slow player growth b) people not enjoying the dynamic of the game c) quality of streamed product not high enough. not sure about a/c but we do see a lot of people complaining on tl.net about b | ||
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testthewest
Germany274 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:42 Prog455 wrote: Sadly it would appear that WCS EU viewers have declined aswell. Blizzard would be well advised to push out the last expansion and make some real changes. Not some balance changes, but change the gameplay. I'd suggest giving every race good static defense, so positioning and angle of attacks are most important. I'd suggest looking back at WoL TvT matchup as a role model. There must be more than on battle to decide the winner, there must be fighting for space on the map, there must be the opportunity to dig in at a position, punishing an opponent running his army in a suicidal charge, rewarding the opponent that finds a way around. There should also be more tech trees really viable in every phase of the game. I wish this game was still interesting to watch for me, but I seldom really follow a stream or tournament for more than 15min these days. I miss the times when I watched White-Ra all night long... | ||
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On October 02 2013 02:11 Shadow_Dog wrote: Until you provide legitimate numbers you have not proven anything in regards to the viewership being the same as previous month or increasing. Its also september when people go back to school. In August I could watch WCS EU on days off during the week with an irregular job (student). Now, I cannot. So, lets say many people in the NA timezones aren't on vacation and are back at work/school. This could account for a drop in WCS EU viewership. IS IT!? I dont know for sure. But all we know is viewership dropped a little bit. Personal stream viewership has been on a decline since WCS started with all these broadcasts. For League of Legends, when their LCS is on then personal stream numbers also go down during it. Unlike LCS for League, WCS runs almost all day almost every day. You can't discount the MARKET when looking at pure numbers that have NO OTHER QUALIFIER with them. These are numbers they don't explain why people aren't watching only that some people aren't watching. SC2 Fatigue after WCS is one thing, lack of time, or timezones impacting WCS EU more now than before could account for some of it. It's not just bias, Incontrol does have a point. Might not be entirely correct but it is true. People were watching personal streams much more BEFORE WCS than AFTER. And its not because the game is dying, if it were you wouldn't see Destiny grabbing more viewers playing SC2 than he does play LoL at the moment. You would see numbers drop drastically across the board for all WCS regions. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On October 02 2013 02:02 iNcontroL wrote: Sorry, did you just ask me to "stop" my bias towards SC2? I don't think I'd ever be more in the right when I say "get off my lawn" you are on a fucking SC2 forum you complete and utter idiot. Wow, how can you be the quality poster with the star sign? The charts show the facts and we need to respect that. | ||
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Kruxxen
United States149 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On October 02 2013 03:56 larse wrote: Wow, how can you be the quality poster with the star sign? The charts show the facts and we need to respect that. The star means hes contributed a LOT to TL and not quality poster to be fair. But even so Incontrol is trying to look beyond the raw numbers and into perhaps the why. And hes looking beyond the fact that there is less personal stream numbers, WCS has taken a LOT of viewers from personal streams when it is on and not everyone has time to watch WCS and then personal streams right after - fatigue or no fatigue. Some of the drop is attributable to viewer loss but certainly not ALL of it is that simple since overall viewership hasn`t dropped near as significantly as personal stream viewership has dropped. | ||
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RESOqub
51 Posts
It's not a big deal, in all honesty. The same pattern emerged last year as well. Expect the curve to bottom out this month (October) and begin to rise in November and December as university deadlines hit and workplaces start to wind down for Christmas. Liquincontrol is quite correct. | ||
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
On October 02 2013 03:56 larse wrote: Wow, how can you be the quality poster with the star sign? The charts show the facts and we need to respect that. he makes a valid point about the idiocy of accusing someone of a bias towards a subject that is the main premise of the forum. why else would you use an sc2 forum if not for a bias towards its main subject? truly idiotic. | ||
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RESOqub
51 Posts
On October 02 2013 03:56 larse wrote: Wow, how can you be the quality poster with the star sign? The charts show the facts and we need to respect that. If you had bothered yourself enough to go and check the facts for the previous year as well, you would have found a similar pattern occuring, offset only by the increased interest in Starcraft 2 due to HoTS beta. Even then, there was a decline in interest. It is September. People have gone back to school. Chill, man. Nothing is dying. People are just busy. This happens in every entertainment industry at this time of year. We are in the offseason. | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On October 02 2013 03:09 Pontius Pirate wrote: I know that money is kind of the forbidden subject around SC2 pros, but how many viewer hours does someone usually need to support themselves off of streaming alone, assuming that they don't have a family or anything? In the past DeMuslim mentioned this a lot on his stream, although it was a long time ago so someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I believe he mentioned the top guys can earn somewhere around $2000/month from streaming. Obviously this is volatile, he metioned the same said people have earned as much as $6000 one month and as little as $500 the next month. Viewer numbers constantly change, and they aren't even reliable measures, since different people get adds and different times, and then there's no way to tell how many are using addblock. Realistically I think the only people who make a good amount from streaming include Grubby and the usual EG suspects (DeMuslim, plus Stephano and Idra when they were still on EG). I reckon others that also make a nice little extra on the side (but not a reliable source of income since their schedule is pretty intermittent) include InControl, Artosis, WhiteRa and TLO, they usually will pull 2000+ viewers. Also didn't Destiny pretty much live off the income generated from his stream? Pretty sure he would always get 2000+. I should state again that you shouldn't read too much into this, this was pieced together from assumption, hearsay and sketchy memory. There is a chance this could all be bullshit :S | ||
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