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Top 50 streamers in September 2013 (+ WCS numbers) - Page 2

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ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
October 01 2013 14:46 GMT
#21
On October 01 2013 22:53 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 22:43 ETisME wrote:
with dragon retiring, we won't have anyone big named and kinda high skilled to stream some high level games and occasional trolling games anymore.
Anyone knows anyone who is at high level and plays some troll games from time to time?
Watching dragon plays mass ghost only was probably one of my fav memory in SC2.

Fuzer


I wish he was streaming more, need my daily 2rax to stay healthy :D
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 01 2013 14:51 GMT
#22
On October 01 2013 22:43 ETisME wrote:
with dragon retiring, we won't have anyone big named and kinda high skilled to stream some high level games and occasional trolling games anymore.
Anyone knows anyone who is at high level and plays some troll games from time to time?
Watching dragon plays mass ghost only was probably one of my fav memory in SC2.

select
maw-maw
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland40 Posts
October 01 2013 14:57 GMT
#23
With this destiny loses his argument that streaming sc2 cant support him. Also it was funny seeing IdrA switching his stream from sc2 to DotA while at the same time Destiny switched from LoL to sc2.

Great work, do you plan on making the same stats for DotA 2?
now you're a mayun
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
October 01 2013 14:58 GMT
#24
The lower numbers for WCS Europe may have a bit to do with Twitch. For instance, my brother used to be an avid SC2 viewer and would hardly ever miss GSL or whatever tournament was going on. However, nowadays he doesn't watch nearly as much, especially WCS, because he is fed up with how bad Twitch performs. And from what I've read on TL/Reddit, the same thing goes for plenty other people. Although I don't like blaming Twitch for the decreasing WCS numbers, they appear to be a great contributor to the declining viewership.
Random master race
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 15:06:37
October 01 2013 15:02 GMT
#25
On October 01 2013 22:39 desRow wrote:
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On October 01 2013 22:21 Uni1987 wrote:
Less viewers in general every month ;(



WCS is like a vacuum. Very few time frame for players to have growth for their streams.


Is it just me, or are sc2 events badly distributed? I mean there are times with multiple tournaments running in parallel, and there are times where there is nothing at all (like the last seven hours). I mean sure, everybody wants to broadcast in the prime time, but would you also want to do it if you'd have to share the timeslot with other events? And certainly it would be better for the players, as if would allow them to participate in more tournaments more comfortable. That on the other hand would also benefit the tournament organizers because it means less downtime and a better pool of players.

edit: Agh, derailing thread again, sry.

On topic: ForGG not even top50, he is currently rank 3 gm ffs.
Guess him using dailymotion and the reset of the stream just sucks too much...
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
October 01 2013 15:07 GMT
#26
Demuslim OP only 20 hours and came in 2nd place he's such a good streamer I feel sad when he gets depressed or I get depressed when he doesn't stream.... STReAM MORE DEMUSLIM IF YOU ARE ReADING THIS! <3
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 01 2013 15:15 GMT
#27
On October 02 2013 00:07 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Demuslim OP only 20 hours and came in 2nd place he's such a good streamer I feel sad when he gets depressed or I get depressed when he doesn't stream.... STReAM MORE DEMUSLIM IF YOU ARE ReADING THIS! <3


Eh, the list for 2nd place was sorted by average viewers and is independent on amount of the hours streamed.
Though on that list he is still respectable 16th place.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 01 2013 15:15 GMT
#28
On October 01 2013 22:43 ETisME wrote:
with dragon retiring, we won't have anyone big named and kinda high skilled to stream some high level games and occasional trolling games anymore.
Anyone knows anyone who is at high level and plays some troll games from time to time?
Watching dragon plays mass ghost only was probably one of my fav memory in SC2.


Have you watched QuanticYume? He's a NA GM player that plays some interesting styles, not on smurf accounts so you wont see mass PF build, but innovative strategies. I recommend him!

www.twitch.tv/optikdream
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 01 2013 15:19 GMT
#29
On October 01 2013 22:43 ETisME wrote:
with dragon retiring, we won't have anyone big named and kinda high skilled to stream some high level games and occasional trolling games anymore.
Anyone knows anyone who is at high level and plays some troll games from time to time?
Watching dragon plays mass ghost only was probably one of my fav memory in SC2.


Actually Dragon is still streaming. I doubt that he will let his skill deteriorate too much compared to now, considering that he plans on a come back in LotV, though only time will tell.
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
October 01 2013 15:22 GMT
#30
It still looks like were are going down continually. I hope this doesnt continue.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 15:35:52
October 01 2013 15:35 GMT
#31
protech 347h wtf
i mean, what is wrong with him
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
October 01 2013 15:38 GMT
#32
impressive numbers from Naniwa considering that he had no webcam and sub chat on 90% of the time.
Go Sudan
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 01 2013 15:39 GMT
#33
yeah it isn't "less" viewers every month it's less people watching the personal streams of players because said viewers are either watching WCS or are tired of SC2 after having watching around 10 hours of SC2

Streaming during WCS is basically saying to yourself "I will stream with 1/3rd the audience.. if that!" Streaming after WCS means you are streaming to around half the normal audience due to fatigue.

The viewers are still there. It's just we have never had so much SC2 to watch... and it's all scheduled to cover the entire day basically.
Sanobot
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany35 Posts
October 01 2013 15:54 GMT
#34
Exactly what LiquidiNcontroL says at least for me.

also i must say the viewer perspective is much more entertaining when watching casted /observed games instead of a player ultra switching between screens, never watching fights till the end and all that and you get to watch the other side as well so yeah, just more information presented in a more pleasing way.. oh and imo many streamers have strange music taste^^

Blizzard should just allow ingame streaming basically. maybe even payed "streams/observers". No need for sync or worry that someone will lag behind cause it would be delayed anyways. I could watch at full resolution, while at the same time massivly reducing the amount of data transfered. Maybe even allow caster/observer-streams ingame so i get the explanations and observing as basically an added camera/sound option so i could follow what the observer shows or just do it myself if i wanna check something.
I dont really understand why any game title wanting to be an esports major title does not include basic functions like this anyways. but well, one can dream
I might be wrong but I'm not.
Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
October 01 2013 15:57 GMT
#35
Can someone explain to me why the graph does not have any numbers?
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
October 01 2013 15:58 GMT
#36
As always, thank you for keeping these coming. Incredibly informative!
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
October 01 2013 16:25 GMT
#37
I myself haven’t watched any WCS this season 3, there are two main reasons for this. The first is the obvious one, the WCS novelty has well and truly worn off now, there is so much SC2 content it’s it just feels overwhelming at times. Also there’s a lot of doom and gloom in the scene right now (there’s always been the sceptics, but now it feels more real), what with the large number of retirements and the huge overhaul between the Korean teams. I just want to take a little break from SC2 for a while and come back when the scene has settled a little.

The second, and perhaps biggest reason for my lack of interest is actually Hearthstone. It’s a Blizzard game I really want but probably won’t get until commercial release (unless they start giving beta keys for pre-orders). For the moment pretty much the only streams I’m watching are of HS. It’s a poor substitute for actually earning the game, but it does help satisfy some of the cravings
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
October 01 2013 16:45 GMT
#38
Painuser is the man. I watch his stream generally every morning.
"He's like a Kakuna with Flamestrike." - Artosis 25.7.2014 \\ "Sometimes you gotta' be manly to get out of the group stage, Reynad." -Artosis 17.10.2014 \\ “There goes your dream of a frivolous lawsuit with a brewing company.” – Tasteless 26.8.2015
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
October 01 2013 16:51 GMT
#39
On October 02 2013 00:39 iNcontroL wrote:
yeah it isn't "less" viewers every month it's less people watching the personal streams of players because said viewers are either watching WCS or are tired of SC2 after having watching around 10 hours of SC2

Streaming during WCS is basically saying to yourself "I will stream with 1/3rd the audience.. if that!" Streaming after WCS means you are streaming to around half the normal audience due to fatigue.

The viewers are still there. It's just we have never had so much SC2 to watch... and it's all scheduled to cover the entire day basically.


Unfortunately this is wrong;


Not a whole lot to say here. The numbers are down a bit, especially for WCS EU


Please just stop the bias. Sc2 is in a decline and will continue its decline until LOTV gets out.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
October 01 2013 16:59 GMT
#40
On October 02 2013 01:51 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 00:39 iNcontroL wrote:
yeah it isn't "less" viewers every month it's less people watching the personal streams of players because said viewers are either watching WCS or are tired of SC2 after having watching around 10 hours of SC2

Streaming during WCS is basically saying to yourself "I will stream with 1/3rd the audience.. if that!" Streaming after WCS means you are streaming to around half the normal audience due to fatigue.

The viewers are still there. It's just we have never had so much SC2 to watch... and it's all scheduled to cover the entire day basically.


Unfortunately this is wrong;


Show nested quote +
Not a whole lot to say here. The numbers are down a bit, especially for WCS EU


Please just stop the bias. Sc2 is in a decline and will continue its decline until LOTV gets out.

Just because the WCS EU numbers are down a bit doesn't mean that SC2 as a whole is in a decline. Incontrol is right, there is a whole ton of SC2 to watch these days, especially during the weekdays, and I have no doubt that it really does contribute to viewer fatigue.

Now what to do about this, or whether this is a bad thing in the first place, that's a whole different discussion.
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