EPTWoongjin Releases 6 Core Players - Page 9
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:38 Zealously wrote: Keep in mind that, before the KeSPA switch, the Korean scene was largely stable (though not on the level of BW). The switch spontaneously threw in an additional 80-100 progamers while not adding a significant amount of money to the scene. With WCS in the mix and OSL/GSL taking turns, one could make a case for there actually being less tournaments for almost twice the players. But now, when the excess players leave, the Korean scene is dying? It's not "dying", though I would agree with the statement that it's going back to where it was - at the level where it could be supported. Good note, but at what cost :O | ||
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Censured
Czech Republic1061 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:45 Censured wrote: I dont follow sc2 pro scene that closely anymore, but is that the same Zer0 who used infested terrans in ZvP in broodwar? Him. Very much him T_T | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
To some degree it might be, since if the Korean public would have liked SC2 as a game there might have been a bit less room for LoL to explode like it did. Something you will never be able to prove, of course. However one can also argue that without LoL it's uncertain if OGN would have even survived and could have broadcasted SC2 for so long. So I guess there are two sides to it. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:54 UmberBane wrote: To some degree it might be, since if the Korean public would have liked SC2 as a game there might have been a bit less room for LoL to explode like it did. Something you will never be able to prove, of course. However one can also argue that without LoL it's uncertain if OGN would have even survived and could have broadcasted SC2 for so long. So I guess there are two sides to it. Even if SC2 never happened, LoL would probably overtake BW earlier or later. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:58 lolfail9001 wrote: Even if SC2 never happened, LoL would probably overtake BW earlier or later. Oh you meant it that way around. Yeah, probably. OGN started broadcasting LoL before SC2, so there's that. | ||
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never_Nal
Costa Rica676 Posts
 are B teamers getting a chance at this? Holycow total team rooster remake this will play out interesting | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:59 UmberBane wrote: Oh you meant it that way around. Yeah, probably. OGN started broadcasting LoL before SC2. Well, under Blizzard's fault that LoL is popular one could understand that SC2 was so horrible and lawsuit and stuff, that LoL overtook the weakened BW. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
also piano and free ? i am in shock | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:59 never_Nal wrote: omg are B teamers getting a chance at this? Holycow total team rooster remake this will play out interestingPfft, i am currently thinking about who will be left on KT and SKT. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:00 Drake wrote: Zero who even beat marinekind and doing well in gsl ? damn also piano and free ? i am in shock Well, there is a chance that soon Soulkey and sOs will be released too, as it seems to be not a perfomance of players issue but sponsor one. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13405 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:00 Drake wrote: Zero who even beat marinekind and doing well in gsl ? damn also piano and free ? i am in shock I don't think WJS is worried about how well Zero is doing and more about how much he costs. Isn't Woongjin the company going through tough times? Looking forward to Prime or IM picking up some of these guys before proleague starts. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:00 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, under Blizzard's fault that LoL is popular one could understand that SC2 was so horrible and lawsuit and stuff, that LoL overtook the weakened BW. Mh yeah, if SC2 never happened it might have delayed the full KeSPA transition to LoL a bit, but the game would have been big as an eSport regardless, just maybe not have such a highly competitive scene as quickly without the KeSPA teams - maybe more similar to SC2 when it still was eSF only. So in the end I agree with you I think. Blizzard is only responsible for the Starcraft side of things - the rest would have happened with or without it, just maybe a little different. | ||
GTR
51574 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:35 Nerevar wrote: Well, we all know that Ganzi went on to do sc2. MVP ended up having some moderate success somewhere  . And didn't Guemchi go traveling, try out sc2, then go back to Woongjin to play BW the next year? Guemchi went to India, then played SC2 with Startale for a few months before moving back to Woongjin to play BW. Then he went to the Air Force and quietly retired after being discharged. | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:38 Zealously wrote: Keep in mind that, before the KeSPA switch, the Korean scene was largely stable (though not on the level of BW). The switch spontaneously threw in an additional 80-100 progamers while not adding a significant amount of money to the scene. With WCS in the mix and OSL/GSL taking turns, one could make a case for there actually being less tournaments for almost twice the players. But now, when the excess players leave, the Korean scene is dying? It's not "dying", though I would agree with the statement that it's going back to where it was - at the level where it could be supported. Yes this is true. They expected Korean BW fans to follow their heroes and favorite teams after the switch, as well as to gain momentum, and expand its fanbase beyond what it was at the end of KeSPA BW. Not only was there no momentum, you can safely the KeSPA fanbase shrank. It is hard to say whether anyone is at fault. Those are some difficult things to predict and hindsight is easy. Nonetheless it is pretty clear that the Korean professional scene must shrink further until things are balanced out again. SC2 itself probably isn't doing any worse at all, but since it also didn't grow is exactly why there is too large of a professional fundation in Korea to be supported by it. Players losing their jobs, or franchises with a long history disappearing, is plenty to be sad about though. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
saddest news ever.... i'm hoping they buy really great new ones.... like drg or something like that | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season. | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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