Woongjin Stars has released 6 of its core players for the upcoming season.
The list is the following
Free (P)
BrAvO (T)
Organ (T)
ZerO (Z)
Aria (P)
Hanbin (T)
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hjlee6624
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Woongjin Stars has released 6 of its core players for the upcoming season. The list is the following Free (P) BrAvO (T) Organ (T) ZerO (Z) Aria (P) Hanbin (T) | ||
aslejoh
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**Could you please translate the whole text? | ||
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Elroi
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woongjin and stx play in the pl finals. one team disbands the other team drops 4 strong players and 2 legends. the starcraft sceen is really going down the shitter fast. | ||
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hjlee6624
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On October 01 2013 19:24 Shellshock wrote: isn't Mekia the new Axiom.Impact, not Aria? My bad, edited | ||
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hjlee6624
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On October 01 2013 19:25 Dodgin wrote: Yeah Aria is the guy who just eliminated Gumiho from GSL yesterday. Mekia is the Zerg that went to Axiom. My mistake, Edited! | ||
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Dodgin
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5 players?... | ||
Aeromi
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On October 01 2013 19:30 .kv wrote: Artosis should pick up Aria Artosis announces a new team : team Stark. | ||
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DinoToss
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On October 01 2013 19:31 Dodgin wrote: So, this is actually really quite bad. If those 6 players + Mekia leave then woongjin looks like this... 5 players?... I sense ESF players :/ btw Zero may be the rumored Sonic player, but on the other hand i dont see why he played in Challanger then. | ||
Grumbels
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On October 01 2013 19:32 DinoToss wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 19:31 Dodgin wrote: So, this is actually really quite bad. If those 6 players + Mekia leave then woongjin looks like this... 5 players?... I sense ESF players :/ btw Zero may be the rumored Sonic player, but on the other hand i dont see why he played in Challanger then. maybe it has to do with contracts, if they ended in 1 oct then it would make sense to just play sc2 for woongjin until that point | ||
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Dodgin
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On October 01 2013 19:32 DinoToss wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 19:31 Dodgin wrote: So, this is actually really quite bad. If those 6 players + Mekia leave then woongjin looks like this... 5 players?... I sense ESF players :/ btw Zero may be the rumored Sonic player, but on the other hand i dont see why he played in Challanger then. Maybe he just really wanted to eliminate MarineKing | ||
ZenithM
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Shit's going downhill :'( | ||
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DinoToss
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On October 01 2013 19:36 Grumbels wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 19:32 DinoToss wrote: On October 01 2013 19:31 Dodgin wrote: So, this is actually really quite bad. If those 6 players + Mekia leave then woongjin looks like this... 5 players?... I sense ESF players :/ btw Zero may be the rumored Sonic player, but on the other hand i dont see why he played in Challanger then. maybe it has to do with contracts, if they ended in 1 oct then it would make sense to just play sc2 for woongjin until that point Well i guess, but its unsure still. Zero/free would be perfect guy to switch to afreeca since they had quite big BW fanbase. And Zero is like way above killer in terms of prestige, and Killer is highest Zerg atm in Afreeca. So automatically Zero would be the Zerg guy to watch for everyone. And dont forget How to draw Zero thread | ||
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Dodgin
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On October 01 2013 19:38 NicksonReyes wrote: Potentially 6 more players to SOSPA. How much more until teams start forming? Are there no clans still active? Teams would be like, players living together under a coach/management staff and competing in team leagues. I don't know if BW will reach that stage again. | ||
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BabyRomatic
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Whyyyy? | ||
FeyFey
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On October 01 2013 19:27 Azera wrote: Why? What's happening? Guess it was true when Kespa said they cut down team size to 5-6. Really sad for Aira and Bravo, liked them alot. | ||
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Aeromi
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On October 01 2013 19:46 DJHelium wrote: Does WJS have a LoL team? Just curious, not trying to start discussion!! WJS doesn"t have a LoL team. | ||
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DJHelium
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On October 01 2013 19:47 Aeromi wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 19:46 DJHelium wrote: Does WJS have a LoL team? Just curious, not trying to start discussion!! WJS doesn"t have a LoL team. Thank you | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
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On October 01 2013 19:32 NicksonReyes wrote: I thought Free and Zero are gonna overtake Sea next season in total number of PL wins. Now Light is the only one that has a chance to IIRC. sorry but light already retired a few days ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429391 | ||
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Kipsate
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also Free . | ||
MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
Well actually I'm kinda surprised they kicked ZerO, BrAvO and Free over... Hammer, KassiA and Swift... EDIT: Actually, Woongjin doing this without a LoL team of any sort is... ominous. Or just a sign that KeSPA is enforcing all their teams cut down to save money which would be bleeeeeh. EDIT2: Or a sign of sponsor trouble. | ||
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Birdie
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On October 01 2013 19:52 desRow wrote: the BW circle jerk everytime there's SC2 roster changes is a little bit annoying. Sorry for being happy when something that makes us happy happens, I'll be mad and depressed next time instead. | ||
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PVJ
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free god damn and organ was just signed after he was released from ACE ;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ZerO out? I couldn't even comprehend it first. | ||
NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On October 01 2013 19:49 OopsOopsBaby wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 19:32 NicksonReyes wrote: I thought Free and Zero are gonna overtake Sea next season in total number of PL wins. Now Light is the only one that has a chance to IIRC. sorry but light already retired a few days ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429391 LOL so many retirements, can't keep up! Looks like Sea got that 5th place secured. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 01 2013 19:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I have to say SC2 movement looks like how WC3 went down. I guess soon GSTL will reduce amount games required to BO5 or BO3 per team matches. I guess you know about Woongjin's financial issues, which most likely caused this? | ||
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Dodgin
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On October 01 2013 20:01 lichter wrote: WHAT THE FUCK there there there's always IM | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
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On October 01 2013 20:00 Zealously wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 19:57 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I have to say SC2 movement looks like how WC3 went down. I guess soon GSTL will reduce amount games required to BO5 or BO3 per team matches. I guess you know about Woongjin's financial issues, which most likely caused this? I mean overall not just Woongjin in this case. | ||
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lichter
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On October 01 2013 20:02 Dodgin wrote: there there there's always IM free AND ZerO?! UGHHH My esports passion is at an all time low (~95%) | ||
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Talin
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So sick. | ||
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Ultimately, if the game stays interesting, there will also be an influx of new pro players. But the question is, will these live up to the standards of the old BW players? It feels like their tryhard practice style is needed. Complacency will take over if they go away. Also, 3 years have passed now, and we're not even close to seeing a player that'll really be the stuff of legends (i.e, no bonjwa). That makes SC2 feels like a bad little brother to BW. Meh, here I go, summarizing what's already probably the public opinion =P | ||
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On October 01 2013 20:17 LongShot27 wrote: What stinks is people are going to say "This is really nothing to worry about". StarCraft 2 is going into serious decline and instead of trying to fix the problems, most people are just saying "stop saying StarCraft 2 is dying! its fine!". The community is turning into a US government clone. At this point you have to differentiate between the korean sc2 scene and the foreign scene. I think nobody will disagree with you when you say the korean scene is on a serious decline. | ||
GTR
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Sadly though, I do think Free and PianO will retire. Free is really old and has military service to do. PianO got out of the military and was only given another chance because he was a former Woongjin player. | ||
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Dodgin
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On October 01 2013 20:19 Conti wrote: Pretty sure this is going to happen to all the Kespa teams. Clide already tweeted that he's not a KT coach any more just now. This is the worst news of all. Cliiiiiiiide | ||
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trada
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their roster was pretty big anyways. | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
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ㅠ____ㅠ I can't believe they're really going ahead with this stupid new system with very small teams. Fucking KeSPA/WCS/whatever else is to blame. EDIT: IM_ZerO please! | ||
DifuntO
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The korean scene needs to shrink quite a bit,stabilize and then we'll see what we can do to slowly expand it once again(if that's possible). | ||
Fjodorov
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On October 01 2013 20:17 LongShot27 wrote: What stinks is people are going to say "This is really nothing to worry about". StarCraft 2 is going into serious decline and instead of trying to fix the problems, most people are just saying "stop saying StarCraft 2 is dying! its fine!". The community is turning into a US government clone. From what point is it declining? Seems to me alot of people are comparing to brood war just because kespa switched to sc2. They came into sc2, not the other way around. You have a scene that is fine. You add 100 players. Some of these players drop off and all of the sudden the scene is dying? | ||
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Arceus
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But this is also a scheme to re-sign players at lower salary after the "waiver" period | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
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On October 01 2013 20:17 LongShot27 wrote: What stinks is people are going to say "This is really nothing to worry about". StarCraft 2 is going into serious decline and instead of trying to fix the problems, most people are just saying "stop saying StarCraft 2 is dying! its fine!". The community is turning into a US government clone. Well, when kespa joined sc2; player pool got double. You say thats good? But one thing is sure. Korean sc2 tournaments are in decline. Is this blizzards fault? 3 GSL per year? | ||
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lichter
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+ Show Spoiler [SPL Grand Finals Woongjin Photoshops] + | ||
StarStruck
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On October 01 2013 19:19 aslejoh wrote: oh my?.. What´s going on? **Could you please translate the whole text? Come on guys we all knew every KeSPA team was downsizing from the updated rumor mill and it's fairly obvious when you see a lot of pro gamers state they're retiring. | ||
Slydie
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To me, looking ar the pro-league strem numbers, the huge amount of teams and players, and the struggle to find sponsors, it has been obvious that it could not remain that way. Esf and Kespa need to find a way to create excitement for their team leagues, we need drama and stroylines, bad boys and heroes. A "super bowl" between the 2 league winners and inviting more foreign teams would be a good place to start. | ||
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UmberBane
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On October 01 2013 21:02 lolfail9001 wrote: And so the KeSPA's plan to transition into LoL went successful with everyone blaming everyone but KeSPA. What would you blame KeSPA for regarding SC2? They abandoned BW, completely transitioned to SC2 and held OSL and ProLeague for it, despite being anything but sustainable. If you want to "blame" anyone, blame the Korean public, because they just don't like SC2 very much. What can KeSPA do? Pump more money into a bloated scene? Their sponsors want ROI, that's just how the world works... | ||
domisama
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On October 01 2013 20:49 hoemuffin wrote: Yes, this is the death of SC2. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the title sponsor declared bankruptcy and the CEO on trial for massive financial fraud. Nothing at all. We don't care about your silly facts, SC2 is dying because we say so! + Show Spoiler + although, could you maybe provide some proof or a source? | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 01 2013 21:06 domisama wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 20:49 hoemuffin wrote: Yes, this is the death of SC2. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the title sponsor declared bankruptcy and the CEO on trial for massive financial fraud. Nothing at all. We don't care about your silly facts, SC2 is dying because we say so! + Show Spoiler + although, could you maybe provide some proof or a source? Slasher provided one some time ago on reddit. And yes, woongjin group was in financial problems, granted i still do not understand why they are left with sOs (who does not even bother to wear uniform at foreign events it seems /sarcasm), Soulkey and essentially C-team, kicking out free, ZerO, Bravo and Aria. | ||
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a9arnn
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I really hope ZerO finds a good team to join, maybe one day I'll be able to meet him at a foreign event . | ||
lolfail9001
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On October 01 2013 21:10 Sjokola wrote: It's weird that they let Mekia/Impact go because he was being overshadowed by Soulkey and Zero. And now they're like, nah we don't need zero. Would that have been a better pickup had Axiom waited one day? ZerO probably would ask more than Mekia. Also, i suppose Axiom was aware of the fact that Mekia was released from roster and picked him up on the spot. | ||
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hoemuffin
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On October 01 2013 21:06 domisama wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 20:49 hoemuffin wrote: Yes, this is the death of SC2. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the title sponsor declared bankruptcy and the CEO on trial for massive financial fraud. Nothing at all. We don't care about your silly facts, SC2 is dying because we say so! + Show Spoiler + although, could you maybe provide some proof or a source? http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2013/08/07/0200000000AEN20130807005751315.html Its been in receivership since I think late 2012? A lot of mid-size Chaebols (like STX) got stomped in the 2008 crisis. Its likely that Woongjin is being sold off in parts, and its also highly likely that the court and creditors would not look kindly on them spending money to support an e-sports team. | ||
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NovemberstOrm
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153705 Anyway it's sad for the players I hope they find new teams and I wish them luck if they decide to retire and move onto something else in life. | ||
Otolia
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arb
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always good news. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:22 Otolia wrote: Hanbin, Aria and Organ are B-team players but ZerO, free, BrAvO aren't. This looks very grim for WJS and an now unlikely participation in PL. Yeah, that seems highly unlikely for 'em to be able to participate in PL with their current roster with 3 B (or even C) teamers and 2 aces. In fact, they may end up being NSHS of PL, should they participate with such a roster. But yeah, i expect at least 3 (or 4) of them to get picked up by some other team. Or retire / | ||
Ctesias
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I don't expect this to kill SC2. | ||
nimdil
Poland3743 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:12 a9arnn wrote: There were once 6 dragons - all what remains is a stork WHAT THE HELL!? ZerO is my favorite player, and brought so many fans to Woongjin (and WTF one of the 6 dragons, how can they just get rid of Free like that?!) . He just made it into Challenger too! >. I can't believe this, I will never forget. I really hope ZerO finds a good team to join, maybe one day I'll be able to meet him at a foreign event . | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:30 nimdil wrote: Show nested quote + There were once 6 dragons - all what remains is a stork On October 01 2013 21:12 a9arnn wrote: WHAT THE HELL!? ZerO is my favorite player, and brought so many fans to Woongjin (and WTF one of the 6 dragons, how can they just get rid of Free like that?!) . He just made it into Challenger too! >. I can't believe this, I will never forget. I really hope ZerO finds a good team to join, maybe one day I'll be able to meet him at a foreign event . Tbh, we are not yet set on free retiring. He may though, but who the hell knows. Also, Stork, they dragon, that outlasted them all. | ||
Nerevar
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On October 01 2013 21:22 NovemberstOrm wrote: I find it ironic that 3 years earlier the same thing happened Woongjin removing 6 players at once http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153705 Anyway it's sad for the players I hope they find new teams and I wish them luck if they decide to retire and move onto something else in life. Well, we all know that Ganzi went on to do sc2. MVP ended up having some moderate success somewhere . And didn't Guemchi go traveling, try out sc2, then go back to Woongjin to play BW the next year? | ||
Conti
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On October 01 2013 21:22 NovemberstOrm wrote: I find it ironic that 3 years earlier the same thing happened Woongjin removing 6 players at once http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153705 Anyway it's sad for the players I hope they find new teams and I wish them luck if they decide to retire and move onto something else in life. Oh boy.. MVP said it was too hard for him to be a progamer. That's one hell of a flamebait if I ever saw one. | ||
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KivTM
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liberate71
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On October 01 2013 21:22 NovemberstOrm wrote: I find it ironic that 3 years earlier the same thing happened Woongjin removing 6 players at once http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153705 Anyway it's sad for the players I hope they find new teams and I wish them luck if they decide to retire and move onto something else in life. hahaha that is quite funny. Its a lot more dramatic in that thread though (thankfully) | ||
MrMotionPicture
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shid0x
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Releasing such talents as ZerO,bravO,free... I hope they get pick up ! (by foreign teams :p ) | ||
qiza
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NicksonReyes
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On October 01 2013 21:49 qiza wrote: team will disband in the next two weeks! merge with soul | ||
Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
Feels weird, they just belong on WJS. Well I hope this means they will retire and play bw. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:51 Waxangel wrote: cataclysm continues Someone said 'issue is done'? | ||
DiMano
Korea (South)2065 Posts
eSF: AnNyeong (Prime) TREME (Quantic) viOLet KeSPA: Shark (Samsung KHAN) FaKe (Samsung KHAN) Guilty (Samsung KHAN) SpeeD (Samsung KHAN) hOpe (Samsung KHAN) oDin (Samsung KHAN) Swift (Woongjin Stars) Motive (KT Rolster) Puzzle (KT Rolster) Mind (KT Rolster) BarrackS (KT Rolster) HoeJJa (KT Rolster) Cacia (KT Rolster) Crazy (KT Rolster) Brown (SK Telecom T1) Mercury (SK Telecom T1) JyJ (SK Telecom T1) | ||
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MiQ
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liberate71
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On October 01 2013 21:51 NicksonReyes wrote: merge with soul They can all change their names to like James Brown, Aretha Franklin etc... and be Soul Stars | ||
DiMano
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On October 01 2013 22:02 Darkhoarse wrote: So basically Stars is Soulkey and sOs now. sOs HammEr Soulkey KassiA | ||
lolfail9001
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On October 01 2013 22:05 DiMano wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:02 Darkhoarse wrote: So basically Stars is Soulkey and sOs now. sOs HammEr Soulkey KassiA Ehem, with HammEr an KassiA being B-team (not sure if you can say there is a C-team in 4 player roster). | ||
Otolia
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On October 01 2013 22:05 liberate71 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 21:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 21:49 qiza wrote: team will disband in the next two weeks! merge with soul They can all change their names to like James Brown, Aretha Franklin etc... and be Soul Stars That's actually a glorious idea. | ||
lolfail9001
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On October 01 2013 22:07 Otolia wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:05 liberate71 wrote: On October 01 2013 21:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 21:49 qiza wrote: team will disband in the next two weeks! merge with soul They can all change their names to like James Brown, Aretha Franklin etc... and be Soul Stars That's actually a glorious idea. I actually approve of this. Also, more Innovation vs Soulkey (or whatever their new names) is always cool to see. | ||
BabyRomatic
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SoulKey's contract has not expired, and sOs was in processing of renew the contract,that's why they are still in the team. WJS will likely to completely disband later. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:08 BabyRomatic wrote: It says WJS can't afford their salary. SoulKey's contract has not expired, and sOs was in processing of renew the contract,that's why they are still in the team. WJS will likely to completely disband later. Woah, now that's truly sad. | ||
desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:05 MiQ wrote: Blizz should not even bother with an expansion at this point, there wont be a pro scene worth covering by the time it comes out. Hell, its barely worth the effort as of right now. "I don't understand how the korean scene works so I will spew a bunch of a nonsense and blame blizzard" On a serious note, I hope blizzard gives back code S to gom and only does WCS NA/EU a little bit like what riot is doing. | ||
liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:10 desRow wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:05 MiQ wrote: Blizz should not even bother with an expansion at this point, there wont be a pro scene worth covering by the time it comes out. Hell, its barely worth the effort as of right now. "I don't understand how the korean scene works so I will spew a bunch of a nonsense and blame blizzard" On a serious note, I hope blizzard gives back code S to gom and only does WCS NA/EU a little bit like what riot is doing. Yep thats exactly what I think. Let WCS be for the 'foreign scene' - the Korean scene will still be the 'top league' but it was running great before Blizzard got into it. | ||
Soohyung
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MiQ
Canada312 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:10 desRow wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:05 MiQ wrote: Blizz should not even bother with an expansion at this point, there wont be a pro scene worth covering by the time it comes out. Hell, its barely worth the effort as of right now. "I don't understand how the korean scene works so I will spew a bunch of a nonsense and blame blizzard" On a serious note, I hope blizzard gives back code S to gom and only does WCS NA/EU a little bit like what riot is doing. Its not like I wouldnt expect u to defend sc2 since thats all you have. Say what you want, at the rate things are going there wont be a korean scene at all within the next couple years. Oh and yes, why blame blizzard for the downfall, its not like they made the game or anything. | ||
NervO
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DarkNetHunter
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lolfail9001
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Rascandrius
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On October 01 2013 19:20 Dodgin wrote: wait, zero is out of woongjin? WHO WILL TROLL SOULKEY NOW? Ïnnovation | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:23 Rascandrius wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 19:20 Dodgin wrote: wait, zero is out of woongjin? WHO WILL TROLL SOULKEY NOW? Ïnnovation Pfft, Soulkey will just reply with: oh, i heard you got your Ro8? Oh wait, you lost to soO in final match of Ro16 group. Not good enough. | ||
aNGryaRchon
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, MiQ, you are totally right, it is Blizzard's fault WJS has no money to pay salary to players, and it is totally Blizzard's fault LoL is popular in Korea :D it's actually true | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:32 Arceus wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, MiQ, you are totally right, it is Blizzard's fault WJS has no money to pay salary to players, and it is totally Blizzard's fault LoL is popular in Korea :D it's actually true Proof? | ||
Leeoku
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:38 Zealously wrote: Keep in mind that, before the KeSPA switch, the Korean scene was largely stable (though not on the level of BW). The switch spontaneously threw in an additional 80-100 progamers while not adding a significant amount of money to the scene. With WCS in the mix and OSL/GSL taking turns, one could make a case for there actually being less tournaments for almost twice the players. But now, when the excess players leave, the Korean scene is dying? It's not "dying", though I would agree with the statement that it's going back to where it was - at the level where it could be supported. Good note, but at what cost :O | ||
Censured
Czech Republic1059 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:45 Censured wrote: I dont follow sc2 pro scene that closely anymore, but is that the same Zer0 who used infested terrans in ZvP in broodwar? Him. Very much him T_T | ||
UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:32 Arceus wrote: On October 01 2013 22:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, MiQ, you are totally right, it is Blizzard's fault WJS has no money to pay salary to players, and it is totally Blizzard's fault LoL is popular in Korea :D it's actually true Proof? To some degree it might be, since if the Korean public would have liked SC2 as a game there might have been a bit less room for LoL to explode like it did. Something you will never be able to prove, of course. However one can also argue that without LoL it's uncertain if OGN would have even survived and could have broadcasted SC2 for so long. So I guess there are two sides to it. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:54 UmberBane wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:33 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 01 2013 22:32 Arceus wrote: On October 01 2013 22:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, MiQ, you are totally right, it is Blizzard's fault WJS has no money to pay salary to players, and it is totally Blizzard's fault LoL is popular in Korea :D it's actually true Proof? To some degree it might be, since if the Korean public would have liked SC2 as a game there might have been a bit less room for LoL to explode like it did. Something you will never be able to prove, of course. However one can also argue that without LoL it's uncertain if OGN would have even survived and could have broadcasted SC2 for so long. So I guess there are two sides to it. Even if SC2 never happened, LoL would probably overtake BW earlier or later. | ||
UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:58 lolfail9001 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:54 UmberBane wrote: On October 01 2013 22:33 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 01 2013 22:32 Arceus wrote: On October 01 2013 22:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, MiQ, you are totally right, it is Blizzard's fault WJS has no money to pay salary to players, and it is totally Blizzard's fault LoL is popular in Korea :D it's actually true Proof? To some degree it might be, since if the Korean public would have liked SC2 as a game there might have been a bit less room for LoL to explode like it did. Something you will never be able to prove, of course. However one can also argue that without LoL it's uncertain if OGN would have even survived and could have broadcasted SC2 for so long. So I guess there are two sides to it. Even if SC2 never happened, LoL would probably overtake BW earlier or later. Oh you meant it that way around. Yeah, probably. OGN started broadcasting LoL before SC2, so there's that. | ||
never_Nal
Costa Rica676 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:59 UmberBane wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:58 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 01 2013 22:54 UmberBane wrote: On October 01 2013 22:33 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 01 2013 22:32 Arceus wrote: On October 01 2013 22:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, MiQ, you are totally right, it is Blizzard's fault WJS has no money to pay salary to players, and it is totally Blizzard's fault LoL is popular in Korea :D it's actually true Proof? To some degree it might be, since if the Korean public would have liked SC2 as a game there might have been a bit less room for LoL to explode like it did. Something you will never be able to prove, of course. However one can also argue that without LoL it's uncertain if OGN would have even survived and could have broadcasted SC2 for so long. So I guess there are two sides to it. Even if SC2 never happened, LoL would probably overtake BW earlier or later. Oh you meant it that way around. Yeah, probably. OGN started broadcasting LoL before SC2. Well, under Blizzard's fault that LoL is popular one could understand that SC2 was so horrible and lawsuit and stuff, that LoL overtook the weakened BW. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
also piano and free ? i am in shock | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:59 never_Nal wrote: omg are B teamers getting a chance at this? Holycow total team rooster remake this will play out interesting Pfft, i am currently thinking about who will be left on KT and SKT. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:00 Drake wrote: Zero who even beat marinekind and doing well in gsl ? damn also piano and free ? i am in shock Well, there is a chance that soon Soulkey and sOs will be released too, as it seems to be not a perfomance of players issue but sponsor one. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13372 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:00 Drake wrote: Zero who even beat marinekind and doing well in gsl ? damn also piano and free ? i am in shock I don't think WJS is worried about how well Zero is doing and more about how much he costs. Isn't Woongjin the company going through tough times? Looking forward to Prime or IM picking up some of these guys before proleague starts. | ||
UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:00 lolfail9001 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:59 UmberBane wrote: On October 01 2013 22:58 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 01 2013 22:54 UmberBane wrote: On October 01 2013 22:33 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 01 2013 22:32 Arceus wrote: On October 01 2013 22:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, MiQ, you are totally right, it is Blizzard's fault WJS has no money to pay salary to players, and it is totally Blizzard's fault LoL is popular in Korea :D it's actually true Proof? To some degree it might be, since if the Korean public would have liked SC2 as a game there might have been a bit less room for LoL to explode like it did. Something you will never be able to prove, of course. However one can also argue that without LoL it's uncertain if OGN would have even survived and could have broadcasted SC2 for so long. So I guess there are two sides to it. Even if SC2 never happened, LoL would probably overtake BW earlier or later. Oh you meant it that way around. Yeah, probably. OGN started broadcasting LoL before SC2. Well, under Blizzard's fault that LoL is popular one could understand that SC2 was so horrible and lawsuit and stuff, that LoL overtook the weakened BW. Mh yeah, if SC2 never happened it might have delayed the full KeSPA transition to LoL a bit, but the game would have been big as an eSport regardless, just maybe not have such a highly competitive scene as quickly without the KeSPA teams - maybe more similar to SC2 when it still was eSF only. So in the end I agree with you I think. Blizzard is only responsible for the Starcraft side of things - the rest would have happened with or without it, just maybe a little different. | ||
GTR
51134 Posts
On October 01 2013 21:35 Nerevar wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 21:22 NovemberstOrm wrote: I find it ironic that 3 years earlier the same thing happened Woongjin removing 6 players at once http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153705 Anyway it's sad for the players I hope they find new teams and I wish them luck if they decide to retire and move onto something else in life. Well, we all know that Ganzi went on to do sc2. MVP ended up having some moderate success somewhere . And didn't Guemchi go traveling, try out sc2, then go back to Woongjin to play BW the next year? Guemchi went to India, then played SC2 with Startale for a few months before moving back to Woongjin to play BW. Then he went to the Air Force and quietly retired after being discharged. | ||
Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22426 Posts
On October 01 2013 22:38 Zealously wrote: Keep in mind that, before the KeSPA switch, the Korean scene was largely stable (though not on the level of BW). The switch spontaneously threw in an additional 80-100 progamers while not adding a significant amount of money to the scene. With WCS in the mix and OSL/GSL taking turns, one could make a case for there actually being less tournaments for almost twice the players. But now, when the excess players leave, the Korean scene is dying? It's not "dying", though I would agree with the statement that it's going back to where it was - at the level where it could be supported. Yes this is true. They expected Korean BW fans to follow their heroes and favorite teams after the switch, as well as to gain momentum, and expand its fanbase beyond what it was at the end of KeSPA BW. Not only was there no momentum, you can safely the KeSPA fanbase shrank. It is hard to say whether anyone is at fault. Those are some difficult things to predict and hindsight is easy. Nonetheless it is pretty clear that the Korean professional scene must shrink further until things are balanced out again. SC2 itself probably isn't doing any worse at all, but since it also didn't grow is exactly why there is too large of a professional fundation in Korea to be supported by it. Players losing their jobs, or franchises with a long history disappearing, is plenty to be sad about though. | ||
figq
12519 Posts
saddest news ever.... i'm hoping they buy really great new ones.... like drg or something like that | ||
supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season. | ||
Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:38 Zealously wrote: Keep in mind that, before the KeSPA switch, the Korean scene was largely stable (though not on the level of BW). The switch spontaneously threw in an additional 80-100 progamers while not adding a significant amount of money to the scene. With WCS in the mix and OSL/GSL taking turns, one could make a case for there actually being less tournaments for almost twice the players. But now, when the excess players leave, the Korean scene is dying? It's not "dying", though I would agree with the statement that it's going back to where it was - at the level where it could be supported. Yes this is true. They expected Korean BW fans to follow their heroes and favorite teams after the switch, as well as to gain momentum, and expand its fanbase beyond what it was at the end of KeSPA BW. Not only was there no momentum, you can safely the KeSPA fanbase shrank. It is hard to say whether anyone is at fault. Those are some difficult things to predict and hindsight is easy. Nonetheless it is pretty clear that the Korean professional scene must shrink further until things are balanced out again. SC2 itself probably isn't doing any worse at all, but since it also didn't grow is exactly why there is too large of a professional fundation in Korea to be supported by it. I don't think it is even possible to switch to a new game and keeping the status quo at the same time (plus gaining new fans). Fans of the old games will feel alienated, old heroes will fall which will upset their fans, new heroes will rise. Somebody clearly had unreal expectations how everything will turn out. Only time will tell what will come out of it. | ||
suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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chrisolo
Germany2604 Posts
On October 01 2013 19:27 Glioburd wrote: Oh wow I wish ZerO and Free back on BW. Exactly this. | ||
GTPGlitch
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
About the Korean faction though - actually - I think that the Korean scene shouldn't shrink, but instead it should get another Prime Tournament like the Dreamhack for EU currently is, and suddenly we might see some more of the Korean-region Koreans have chances in WCS from the actual Korean region, while leaving some space for the foreigners that haven't yet proven as good to have more chances overall.. While speaking of this I also hope that there will be more and better representatives (especially Terran) from the foreigners as well.. | ||
NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:22 supernovamaniac wrote: From fomos: Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season. GSTL it is. Soul Stars fighting! | ||
illidanx
United States973 Posts
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22426 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:35 VArsovskiSC wrote: OMG, they basically disbanded every single proleague player beside sOs and Soulkey.. IDK if those "nonames" are as good to support such a success though.. I presume they are younger players too, so probably investing into new youth squad, and have some doubts whether this isn't triggered by financial problems behind, which certainly is a matter of concern for the scene overall.. About the Korean faction though - actually - I think that the Korean scene shouldn't shrink, but instead it should get another Prime Tournament like the Dreamhack for EU currently is, and suddenly we might see some more of the Korean-region Koreans have chances in WCS from the actual Korean region, while leaving some space for the foreigners that haven't yet proven as good to have more chances overall.. While speaking of this I also hope that there will be more and better representatives (especially Terran) from the foreigners as well.. Prima tournaments don't exist because there are too many professional players.. How do you get another prime tournament if the market isn't there? | ||
Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 22:38 Zealously wrote: Keep in mind that, before the KeSPA switch, the Korean scene was largely stable (though not on the level of BW). The switch spontaneously threw in an additional 80-100 progamers while not adding a significant amount of money to the scene. With WCS in the mix and OSL/GSL taking turns, one could make a case for there actually being less tournaments for almost twice the players. But now, when the excess players leave, the Korean scene is dying? It's not "dying", though I would agree with the statement that it's going back to where it was - at the level where it could be supported. Yes this is true. They expected Korean BW fans to follow their heroes and favorite teams after the switch, as well as to gain momentum, and expand its fanbase beyond what it was at the end of KeSPA BW. Not only was there no momentum, you can safely the KeSPA fanbase shrank. It is hard to say whether anyone is at fault. Those are some difficult things to predict and hindsight is easy. Nonetheless it is pretty clear that the Korean professional scene must shrink further until things are balanced out again. SC2 itself probably isn't doing any worse at all, but since it also didn't grow is exactly why there is too large of a professional fundation in Korea to be supported by it. Players losing their jobs, or franchises with a long history disappearing, is plenty to be sad about though. Losing corporate teams, a model that made BW what it was, definitely hurts the scene for me. I would value them over any individual-run gaming clubs these days. It's like the most professional thing about the socalled esport | ||
intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Does anyone know when the SPL will start? | ||
Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:35 VArsovskiSC wrote: OMG, they basically disbanded every single proleague player beside sOs and Soulkey.. IDK if those "nonames" are as good to support such a success though.. I presume they are younger players too, so probably investing into new youth squad, and have some doubts whether this isn't triggered by financial problems behind, which certainly is a matter of concern for the scene overall.. About the Korean faction though - actually - I think that the Korean scene shouldn't shrink, but instead it should get another Prime Tournament like the Dreamhack for EU currently is, and suddenly we might see some more of the Korean-region Koreans have chances in WCS from the actual Korean region, while leaving some space for the foreigners that haven't yet proven as good to have more chances overall.. While speaking of this I also hope that there will be more and better representatives (especially Terran) from the foreigners as well.. Impossible. WJ dropped their players for the same reason such a massive amount of Korean players have joined foreign teams. It's been obvious for a long time that Korea did not have the means to support the massive SC2 scene they had. It's going to keep shrinking, but that could be something great. Depending on the cooperation between GOM and KeSPA, this could allow Korea to build a massively successful infrastructure and help skyrocket the professional scene to stability. Or They could keep down the path they are going and accidentally screw over the pros. Either way, I think things will get much better before 2015, or at least change for January will be announced before 2015. That's my opinion. | ||
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. | ||
illusiongamer
Mexico377 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:22 supernovamaniac wrote: From fomos: Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season. SNM where do you get all this information?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427549 at this point, I will call you the guru of the SC2 Korean scene | ||
Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
SNM where do you get all this information?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427549 at this point, I will call you the guru of the SC2 Korean scene Please. don't give him that much attention. | ||
NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:55 Zenbrez wrote: Please. don't give him that much attention. Chill. He's just relaying information from the koreaners like other translators do. | ||
Homework
United States283 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Prima tournaments don't exist because there are too many professional players.. How do you get another prime tournament if the market isn't there? this lines up with my feelings | ||
saddaromma
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:22 supernovamaniac wrote: From fomos: Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season. is this true? or another run of the mill rumors??? lets face it, sc2 will never get popular in korea... there's no way but down... though it will never die... | ||
vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. It's already back, in LoL. | ||
WetSocks
United States953 Posts
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Carefree
United States1571 Posts
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
On October 01 2013 23:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 23:35 VArsovskiSC wrote: OMG, they basically disbanded every single proleague player beside sOs and Soulkey.. IDK if those "nonames" are as good to support such a success though.. I presume they are younger players too, so probably investing into new youth squad, and have some doubts whether this isn't triggered by financial problems behind, which certainly is a matter of concern for the scene overall.. About the Korean faction though - actually - I think that the Korean scene shouldn't shrink, but instead it should get another Prime Tournament like the Dreamhack for EU currently is, and suddenly we might see some more of the Korean-region Koreans have chances in WCS from the actual Korean region, while leaving some space for the foreigners that haven't yet proven as good to have more chances overall.. While speaking of this I also hope that there will be more and better representatives (especially Terran) from the foreigners as well.. Prima tournaments don't exist because there are too many professional players.. How do you get another prime tournament if the market isn't there? Well TBH I thought that It was we're seeing the same guys over and over again because there weren't many of them, as well as they were going for spot in the other WCS regions cause of easier competition instead of financial problems while being in Korea.. Guess you're right though | ||
NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:15 Kergy wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. It's already back, in LoL. Doesn't count, don't give 2 shits about LoL. | ||
Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
On October 01 2013 19:22 Arco wrote: Hope to see ZerO streaming BW/playing SSL. Guy was a major beast in BW! Would be nice to see Free and the others too. He just beat mkp first round of code a, I highly doubt he'll go back to bw. | ||
nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:06 riyanme wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 23:22 supernovamaniac wrote: From fomos: Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season. is this true? or another run of the mill rumors??? lets face it, sc2 will never get popular in korea... there's no way but down... though it will never die... I can't directly translate from fomos for copyright reasons. It's on their front page. http://fomos.co.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=135879&db=issue | ||
UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:22 NicksonReyes wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:15 Kergy wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. It's already back, in LoL. Doesn't count, don't give 2 shits about LoL. Whether you do or not doesn't change the way it is. He is right, and it counts, because this isn't about personal opinions. Or would it be okay for me to tell you that it will never go back there because BW is long gone and SC2 doesn't count anyway? | ||
Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:36 UmberBane wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:22 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 02 2013 00:15 Kergy wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. It's already back, in LoL. Doesn't count, don't give 2 shits about LoL. Whether you do or not doesn't change the way it is. He is right, and it counts, because this isn't about personal opinions. Or would it be okay for me to tell you that it will never go back there because BW is long gone and SC2 doesn't count anyway? SC2 is the legacy of BW, it is the next chapter. LoL is just a display of how much people love easy shit and team games. User was warned for this post | ||
UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:40 Lorch wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:36 UmberBane wrote: On October 02 2013 00:22 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 02 2013 00:15 Kergy wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. It's already back, in LoL. Doesn't count, don't give 2 shits about LoL. Whether you do or not doesn't change the way it is. He is right, and it counts, because this isn't about personal opinions. Or would it be okay for me to tell you that it will never go back there because BW is long gone and SC2 doesn't count anyway? SC2 is the legacy of BW, it is the next chapter. LoL is just a display of how much people love easy shit and team games. Lmao. You can say the same thing about SC2, and many people would. Opinions like that are just useless. But hey, the topic had to go there at some point, I guess it's inevitable in threads like these. SC2 elitism is such a pointless concept. | ||
RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:40 Lorch wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:36 UmberBane wrote: On October 02 2013 00:22 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 02 2013 00:15 Kergy wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. It's already back, in LoL. Doesn't count, don't give 2 shits about LoL. Whether you do or not doesn't change the way it is. He is right, and it counts, because this isn't about personal opinions. Or would it be okay for me to tell you that it will never go back there because BW is long gone and SC2 doesn't count anyway? SC2 is the legacy of BW, it is the next chapter. LoL is just a display of how much people love easy shit and team games. LoL gets KT vs SKT in front of 10k people SC2 gets WJ vs STX (and they died a few weeks later) guess which game is BW2 | ||
Thinasy
2856 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:40 Lorch wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:36 UmberBane wrote: On October 02 2013 00:22 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 02 2013 00:15 Kergy wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. It's already back, in LoL. Doesn't count, don't give 2 shits about LoL. Whether you do or not doesn't change the way it is. He is right, and it counts, because this isn't about personal opinions. Or would it be okay for me to tell you that it will never go back there because BW is long gone and SC2 doesn't count anyway? SC2 is the legacy of BW, it is the next chapter. LoL is just a display of how much people love easy shit and team games. Yeah cause SC2 is so hard compared to BW right? Christ i've stopped myself from replying to these kinds of comments, but most people that write stuff like you just did act as if they were B- on Iccup in BW cause everything else compared to SC is so easy. | ||
UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:45 Kergy wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:40 Lorch wrote: On October 02 2013 00:36 UmberBane wrote: On October 02 2013 00:22 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 02 2013 00:15 Kergy wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote: On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote: Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams. It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era. It's already back, in LoL. Doesn't count, don't give 2 shits about LoL. Whether you do or not doesn't change the way it is. He is right, and it counts, because this isn't about personal opinions. Or would it be okay for me to tell you that it will never go back there because BW is long gone and SC2 doesn't count anyway? SC2 is the legacy of BW, it is the next chapter. LoL is just a display of how much people love easy shit and team games. LoL gets KT vs SKT in front of 10k people SC2 gets WJ vs STX (and they died a few weeks later) guess which game is BW2 Ah come on let's not derail it into one of those threads. Salt too strong, I wouldn't take a opinion that was clearly written in rage so seriously right now. :I | ||
larse
1611 Posts
There are only two players left: Soulkey and sOs. This situation makes Woongjin Stars unable to participate in the next SPL. Soulkey will be supported mainly by sponsors. But sOs is still in the phase of negotiation. One secretary at WJS: "we are unable to maintain the players' salary request. We cannot continue. This time we released 6 players and we hope they can join the teams they want." WJS will not disband directly. Coach Lee will lead the team with Soulkey, sOs, and 1-2 trainees. Source: http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=379176 Korean source: http://fomos.co.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=135879&db=issue | ||
Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
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Requiem-
Uruguay162 Posts
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HearthCraft
United States117 Posts
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:53 Requiem- wrote: I would love to see a mix with lol and sc2, so SC2 get back into the track =/. Oh I think that wouldn't work out very well. Memories from the Frankenstein ProLeague are coming back... | ||
Requiem-
Uruguay162 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:56 UmberBane wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:53 Requiem- wrote: I would love to see a mix with lol and sc2, so SC2 get back into the track =/. Oh I think that wouldn't work out very well. Memories from the Frankenstein ProLeague are coming back... i dont understand . please explain because i have no idea about frankestein proleague. you mean the hybrid? sc2bw? | ||
malady
United States600 Posts
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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Jaded.
United States125 Posts
Edit: I just realized this but with free leaving (assuming he retires anyways) stork is actually the last of the 6 dragons. Come home stork we miss you. | ||
hansonslee
United States2026 Posts
Thanks a lot, LoL! + Show Spoiler + Please don't warn/ban me because it's not entirely LoL's fault. I'm just sad and mad! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
heaveshade
China330 Posts
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 02 2013 02:35 Hadronsbecrazy wrote: wtf why rtemoving ZerO ? Woongjin (the company, not only the team) is unable to support a team with their recent financial issues. | ||
Darkdwarf
Sweden960 Posts
Woongjin is collapsing as a company, of course it can't keep an sc2 team... | ||
fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On October 01 2013 19:27 Elroi wrote: damn this is sad. Zero and Free out? these guys are awesome. woongjin and stx play in the pl finals. one team disbands the other team drops 4 strong players and 2 legends. the starcraft sceen is really going down the shitter fast. Both STX and Woongjin are having troubles unrelated to SC2, it's their sponsor companies. | ||
fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:56 UmberBane wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:53 Requiem- wrote: I would love to see a mix with lol and sc2, so SC2 get back into the track =/. Oh I think that wouldn't work out very well. Memories from the Frankenstein ProLeague are coming back... That was different because the players had to play both games. | ||
LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:53 HearthCraft wrote: Why would they let Bravo go he seemed to be one of the up and coming Terrans KR. personally i will always remember him fondly for this hilarious game | ||
Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On October 02 2013 04:41 Gamegene wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2013 00:53 HearthCraft wrote: Why would they let Bravo go he seemed to be one of the up and coming Terrans KR. personally i will always remember him fondly for this hilarious game http://youtu.be/UT32YiI0D_U?t=2m10s I became his biggest fan after that ;~; | ||
ThePrince
Peru331 Posts
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iamho
3344 Posts
On October 02 2013 03:10 fuzzylogic44 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 01 2013 19:27 Elroi wrote: damn this is sad. Zero and Free out? these guys are awesome. woongjin and stx play in the pl finals. one team disbands the other team drops 4 strong players and 2 legends. the starcraft sceen is really going down the shitter fast. Both STX and Woongjin are having troubles unrelated to SC2, it's their sponsor companies. Its entirely related to SC2. Otherwise they would've just kept all their players and switched sponsors, just like teams did in the pre-SC2 era. | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
SELJNFGSGNESOGNORGSOGN #^W%^%%% | ||
suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
but it seems archaic that a player is waived because of the team's financial issues is still treated like he was waived like he was garbage. 2 weeks to find a team when everyone in kespa has either a) finalized their rosters or b) aren't exacly deep in the pockets either is going to be a tough sell for the released players. hopefully they give them the exception and make them eligible to play in proleague if they don't sign before 2 weeks from now | ||
GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
Free/Pretty Teamless too o.O Never thought I'd see the day both these great players let go by Woongjin, even if Woongjin have been in financial trouble for like a 2 years. | ||
Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
That said, sucks for the players. | ||
Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On October 02 2013 08:50 Empirimancer wrote: Can we all agree Destiny was at least 90% right, now? We can? Sweet! That said, sucks for the players. Why would anybody care if a nobody was right about something? | ||
Lunareste
United States3595 Posts
On October 02 2013 08:50 Empirimancer wrote: Can we all agree Destiny was at least 90% right, now? We can? Sweet! That said, sucks for the players. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. | ||
jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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Cubanboy96
Cuba3 Posts
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oneill12
Romania1221 Posts
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
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ctbower5
United States22 Posts
These players may very well be talented, and much more so than some of the players who remain. However with that perception of talent likely comes higher salaries. If you go down the line none of them have any massive successes to tout. They may be talented but if they're not delivering return greater than the amount of money that's being put into them - is it a wonder why they were cut while potentially lower-cost players remain to fill out the roster? These teams are businesses, and given the fact that StarCraft isn't the only game on the block anymore they have to make better use of their resources. That may mean a lot of talented players who haven't yet delivered results lose opportunities on higher profile teams. However, is that any different than any other sport? Take baseball for example - if a talented prospect repeatedly fails to perform - eventually they'll lose their opportunity. Maybe they'll go elsewhere, maybe they'll play at a lower level. One way or another things have to change. Is StarCraft the premier pro-game in the world today? No, it's not. That doesn't mean it's dead. StarCraft is so ridiculously over-saturated it's nearly impossible to grasp actual viewership numbers. It's ridiculous to think StarCraft will be #1 forever simply because it's your favorite game. It will rise and fall as will LoL and DotA in the years to come. Teams that are built on shaky ground [specifically teams that aren't diversified in terms of revenue] will fail. That's just how business works. | ||
29 fps
United States5717 Posts
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
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Pandain
United States12861 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On October 03 2013 14:26 Pandain wrote: They're not retiring for crying out loud Give them enough time to not find a team and they'll find their way out. | ||
Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On October 03 2013 14:26 Pandain wrote: They're not retiring for crying out loud As if having 6 more unemployed pros was a good thing... | ||
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