Woongjin Releases 6 Core Players

On October 01 2013 19:24 Shellshock wrote:
isn't Mekia the new Axiom.Impact, not Aria?

On October 01 2013 19:25 Dodgin wrote:
Yeah Aria is the guy who just eliminated Gumiho from GSL yesterday. Mekia is the Zerg that went to Axiom.

On October 01 2013 19:31 Dodgin wrote:
So, this is actually really quite bad. If those 6 players + Mekia leave then woongjin looks like this...



5 players?...

On October 01 2013 19:32 DinoToss wrote:

I sense ESF players :/

btw Zero may be the rumored Sonic player, but on the other hand i dont see why he played in Challanger then.

On October 01 2013 19:32 DinoToss wrote:

I sense ESF players :/

btw Zero may be the rumored Sonic player, but on the other hand i dont see why he played in Challanger then.

On October 01 2013 19:36 Grumbels wrote:

maybe it has to do with contracts, if they ended in 1 oct then it would make sense to just play sc2 for woongjin until that point

On October 01 2013 19:38 NicksonReyes wrote:
Potentially 6 more players to SOSPA. How much more until teams start forming?

On October 01 2013 19:27 Azera wrote:
Why? What's happening?

On October 01 2013 19:47 Aeromi wrote:



WJS doesn"t have a LoL team.

On October 01 2013 19:32 NicksonReyes wrote:
I thought Free and Zero are gonna overtake Sea next season in total number of PL wins. Now Light is the only one that has a chance to IIRC.

On October 01 2013 19:52 desRow wrote:
the BW circle jerk everytime there's SC2 roster changes is a little bit annoying.

On October 01 2013 19:49 OopsOopsBaby wrote:

sorry but light already retired a few days ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429391

On October 01 2013 20:01 lichter wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK

On October 01 2013 20:00 Zealously wrote:

I guess you know about Woongjin's financial issues, which most likely caused this?

On October 01 2013 20:02 Dodgin wrote:


there there

there's always IM

On October 01 2013 20:19 Conti wrote:
Pretty sure this is going to happen to all the Kespa teams. Clide already tweeted that he's not a KT coach any more just now.

On October 01 2013 20:17 LongShot27 wrote:
What stinks is people are going to say "This is really nothing to worry about". StarCraft 2 is going into serious decline and instead of trying to fix the problems, most people are just saying "stop saying StarCraft 2 is dying! its fine!". The community is turning into a US government clone.

On October 01 2013 20:17 LongShot27 wrote:
What stinks is people are going to say "This is really nothing to worry about". StarCraft 2 is going into serious decline and instead of trying to fix the problems, most people are just saying "stop saying StarCraft 2 is dying! its fine!". The community is turning into a US government clone.

On October 01 2013 19:19 aslejoh wrote:
oh my?.. What´s going on?

**Could you please translate the whole text?

On October 01 2013 21:02 lolfail9001 wrote:
And so the KeSPA's plan to transition into LoL went successful with everyone blaming everyone but KeSPA.

On October 01 2013 20:49 hoemuffin wrote:
Yes, this is the death of SC2. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the title sponsor declared bankruptcy and the CEO on trial for massive financial fraud. Nothing at all.

On October 01 2013 21:06 domisama wrote:

We don't care about your silly facts, SC2 is dying because we say so!

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 01 2013 21:10 Sjokola wrote:
It's weird that they let Mekia/Impact go because he was being overshadowed by Soulkey and Zero. And now they're like, nah we don't need zero. Would that have been a better pickup had Axiom waited one day?

On October 01 2013 21:06 domisama wrote:

We don't care about your silly facts, SC2 is dying because we say so!

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 01 2013 21:22 Otolia wrote:
Hanbin, Aria and Organ are B-team players but ZerO, free, BrAvO aren't. This looks very grim for WJS and an now unlikely participation in PL.

On October 01 2013 21:12 a9arnn wrote:
WHAT THE HELL!? ZerO is my favorite player, and brought so many fans to Woongjin (and WTF one of the 6 dragons, how can they just get rid of Free like that?!) . He just made it into Challenger too! >. I can't believe this, I will never forget.

I really hope ZerO finds a good team to join, maybe one day I'll be able to meet him at a foreign event .

On October 01 2013 21:30 nimdil wrote:
There were once 6 dragons - all what remains is a stork

On October 01 2013 21:22 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I find it ironic that 3 years earlier the same thing happened Woongjin removing 6 players at once
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153705

Anyway it's sad for the players I hope they find new teams and I wish them luck if they decide to retire and move onto something else in life.

On October 01 2013 21:22 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I find it ironic that 3 years earlier the same thing happened Woongjin removing 6 players at once
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153705

Anyway it's sad for the players I hope they find new teams and I wish them luck if they decide to retire and move onto something else in life.

MVP said it was too hard for him to be a progamer.

On October 01 2013 21:22 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I find it ironic that 3 years earlier the same thing happened Woongjin removing 6 players at once
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153705

Anyway it's sad for the players I hope they find new teams and I wish them luck if they decide to retire and move onto something else in life.

On October 01 2013 21:49 qiza wrote:
team will disband in the next two weeks!

On October 01 2013 21:51 Waxangel wrote:
cataclysm continues

On October 01 2013 21:51 NicksonReyes wrote:

merge with soul

On October 01 2013 22:02 Darkhoarse wrote:
So basically Stars is Soulkey and sOs now.

On October 01 2013 22:05 DiMano wrote:

sOs
HammEr
Soulkey
KassiA

On October 01 2013 22:07 Otolia wrote:

That's actually a glorious idea.

On October 01 2013 22:08 BabyRomatic wrote:
It says WJS can't afford their salary.

SoulKey's contract has not expired, and sOs was in processing of renew the contract，that's why they are still in the team.

WJS will likely to completely disband later.

On October 01 2013 22:05 MiQ wrote:
Blizz should not even bother with an expansion at this point, there wont be a pro scene worth covering by the time it comes out. Hell, its barely worth the effort as of right now.

On October 01 2013 22:10 desRow wrote:


"I don't understand how the korean scene works so I will spew a bunch of a nonsense and blame blizzard"

On a serious note, I hope blizzard gives back code S to gom and only does WCS NA/EU a little bit like what riot is doing.

On October 01 2013 22:10 desRow wrote:


"I don't understand how the korean scene works so I will spew a bunch of a nonsense and blame blizzard"

On a serious note, I hope blizzard gives back code S to gom and only does WCS NA/EU a little bit like what riot is doing.

On October 01 2013 19:20 Dodgin wrote:
wait, zero is out of woongjin? WHO WILL TROLL SOULKEY NOW?

On October 01 2013 22:23 Rascandrius wrote:



Ïnnovation

On October 01 2013 22:32 Arceus wrote:

it's actually true

On October 01 2013 22:38 Zealously wrote:
Keep in mind that, before the KeSPA switch, the Korean scene was largely stable (though not on the level of BW). The switch spontaneously threw in an additional 80-100 progamers while not adding a significant amount of money to the scene. With WCS in the mix and OSL/GSL taking turns, one could make a case for there actually being less tournaments for almost twice the players. But now, when the excess players leave, the Korean scene is dying? It's not "dying", though I would agree with the statement that it's going back to where it was - at the level where it could be supported.

On October 01 2013 22:45 Censured wrote:
I dont follow sc2 pro scene that closely anymore, but is that the same Zer0 who used infested terrans in ZvP in broodwar?

On October 01 2013 22:33 lolfail9001 wrote:

Proof?

On October 01 2013 22:54 UmberBane wrote:


To some degree it might be, since if the Korean public would have liked SC2 as a game there might have been a bit less room for LoL to explode like it did. Something you will never be able to prove, of course. However one can also argue that without LoL it's uncertain if OGN would have even survived and could have broadcasted SC2 for so long. So I guess there are two sides to it.

On October 01 2013 22:58 lolfail9001 wrote:

Even if SC2 never happened, LoL would probably overtake BW earlier or later.

On October 01 2013 22:59 UmberBane wrote:


Oh you meant it that way around.

Yeah, probably. OGN started broadcasting LoL before SC2.

On October 01 2013 22:59 never_Nal wrote:
omg are B teamers getting a chance at this? Holycow total team rooster remake this will play out interesting

On October 01 2013 23:00 Drake wrote:
Zero who even beat marinekind and doing well in gsl ? damn
also piano and free ? i am in shock

On October 01 2013 23:00 lolfail9001 wrote:

Well, under Blizzard's fault that LoL is popular one could understand that SC2 was so horrible and lawsuit and stuff, that LoL overtook the weakened BW.

On October 01 2013 22:38 Zealously wrote:
Keep in mind that, before the KeSPA switch, the Korean scene was largely stable (though not on the level of BW). The switch spontaneously threw in an additional 80-100 progamers while not adding a significant amount of money to the scene. With WCS in the mix and OSL/GSL taking turns, one could make a case for there actually being less tournaments for almost twice the players. But now, when the excess players leave, the Korean scene is dying? It's not "dying", though I would agree with the statement that it's going back to where it was - at the level where it could be supported.

On October 01 2013 23:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Yes this is true. They expected Korean BW fans to follow their heroes and favorite teams after the switch, as well as to gain momentum, and expand its fanbase beyond what it was at the end of KeSPA BW. Not only was there no momentum, you can safely the KeSPA fanbase shrank. It is hard to say whether anyone is at fault. Those are some difficult things to predict and hindsight is easy. Nonetheless it is pretty clear that the Korean professional scene must shrink further until things are balanced out again. SC2 itself probably isn't doing any worse at all, but since it also didn't grow is exactly why there is too large of a professional fundation in Korea to be supported by it.

On October 01 2013 23:22 supernovamaniac wrote:
From fomos:

Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season.

On October 01 2013 23:35 VArsovskiSC wrote:
OMG, they basically disbanded every single proleague player beside sOs and Soulkey.. IDK if those "nonames" are as good to support such a success though.. I presume they are younger players too, so probably investing into new youth squad, and have some doubts whether this isn't triggered by financial problems behind, which certainly is a matter of concern for the scene overall..

About the Korean faction though - actually - I think that the Korean scene shouldn't shrink, but instead it should get another Prime Tournament like the Dreamhack for EU currently is, and suddenly we might see some more of the Korean-region Koreans have chances in WCS from the actual Korean region, while leaving some space for the foreigners that haven't yet proven as good to have more chances overall..

While speaking of this I also hope that there will be more and better representatives (especially Terran) from the foreigners as well..

On October 01 2013 23:51 Bagration wrote:
Well, isn't that ironic. The two best performing teams of the last PL are facing the most troubles of all the Kespa teams.

On October 01 2013 23:22 supernovamaniac wrote:
From fomos:

Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season.

SNM where do you get all this information?:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427549

at this point, I will call you the guru of the SC2 Korean scene

On October 01 2013 23:55 Zenbrez wrote:
Please. don't give him that much attention.

On October 01 2013 23:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Prima tournaments don't exist because there are too many professional players.. How do you get another prime tournament if the market isn't there?

On October 01 2013 23:22 supernovamaniac wrote:
From fomos:

Woongjin's secretary commented that it will be hard for us to participate in Proleague, implying that they might not participate in the upcoming season.

On October 01 2013 23:51 NicksonReyes wrote:

It's God's way to bring back the Telecom Era.

On October 01 2013 23:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Prima tournaments don't exist because there are too many professional players.. How do you get another prime tournament if the market isn't there?

On October 02 2013 00:15 Kergy wrote:


It's already back, in LoL.

On October 01 2013 19:22 Arco wrote:
Hope to see ZerO streaming BW/playing SSL. Guy was a major beast in BW! Would be nice to see Free and the others too.

On October 02 2013 00:06 riyanme wrote:

is this true? or another run of the mill rumors???

lets face it, sc2 will never get popular in korea...
there's no way but down...
though it will never die...

On October 02 2013 00:22 NicksonReyes wrote:

Doesn't count, don't give 2 shits about LoL.

On October 02 2013 00:36 UmberBane wrote:


Whether you do or not doesn't change the way it is. He is right, and it counts, because this isn't about personal opinions.

Or would it be okay for me to tell you that it will never go back there because BW is long gone and SC2 doesn't count anyway?

On October 02 2013 00:40 Lorch wrote:


SC2 is the legacy of BW, it is the next chapter. LoL is just a display of how much people love easy shit and team games.

On October 02 2013 00:40 Lorch wrote:


SC2 is the legacy of BW, it is the next chapter. LoL is just a display of how much people love easy shit and team games.

On October 02 2013 00:40 Lorch wrote:


SC2 is the legacy of BW, it is the next chapter. LoL is just a display of how much people love easy shit and team games.

On October 02 2013 00:45 Kergy wrote:


LoL gets KT vs SKT in front of 10k people
SC2 gets WJ vs STX (and they died a few weeks later)

guess which game is BW2

On October 02 2013 00:53 Requiem- wrote:
I would love to see a mix with lol and sc2, so SC2 get back into the track =/.

On October 02 2013 00:56 UmberBane wrote:


Oh I think that wouldn't work out very well. Memories from the Frankenstein ProLeague are coming back...

On October 01 2013 19:27 Elroi wrote:
damn this is sad. Zero and Free out? these guys are awesome.

woongjin and stx play in the pl finals. one team disbands the other team drops 4 strong players and 2 legends. the starcraft sceen is really going down the shitter fast.

On October 02 2013 00:56 UmberBane wrote:


Oh I think that wouldn't work out very well. Memories from the Frankenstein ProLeague are coming back...

On October 02 2013 00:53 HearthCraft wrote:
Why would they let Bravo go he seemed to be one of the up and coming Terrans KR.

On October 02 2013 04:41 Gamegene wrote:


personally i will always remember him fondly for this hilarious game

http://youtu.be/UT32YiI0D_U?t=2m10s

On October 02 2013 03:10 fuzzylogic44 wrote:


Both STX and Woongjin are having troubles unrelated to SC2, it's their sponsor companies.

On October 02 2013 08:50 Empirimancer wrote:
Can we all agree Destiny was at least 90% right, now? We can? Sweet!

That said, sucks for the players.

On October 02 2013 08:50 Empirimancer wrote:
Can we all agree Destiny was at least 90% right, now? We can? Sweet!

That said, sucks for the players.

On October 03 2013 14:26 Pandain wrote:
They're not retiring for crying out loud

On October 03 2013 14:26 Pandain wrote:
They're not retiring for crying out loud