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On September 22 2013 18:14 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:11 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote:Flash: This game is very easy. Comparing to SC1, multitasking is easier and hotkeys are easier. So utilizing this part, everyone can play well. If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is. Skill ceiling is a lot lower, so a lot of players are normalized. Even the players do who shine are unnaturally short-lived (Taeja, Innovation). oh give me a break......teaja showed how much more skilled he is at DH, innovations TvT looked terrible , Flash clearly isnt practicing as much so give it up fan boys.
Yeah that was my point originally, Flash looks good but Taeja and Bomber are on another level, it's not about the low skill ceiling it's about how Flash is quite a bit under the skill ceiling, whether that's lack of practice or lack of passion or what, only Flash knows.
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On September 22 2013 18:10 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 16:50 Cheren wrote:SC2 is pretty hard for a new player to get into though, not everyone has a BW background.  If more ppl had a Bw background even less would (still) be playing SC2. It's tough to drive a Prius once you had a Ferrari. Just ask all the retirees.
If they won something and then retire saying they don't like the game then their opinions might hold a little more weight.
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On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +Flash: This game is very easy. Comparing to SC1, multitasking is easier and hotkeys are easier. So utilizing this part, everyone can play well. If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is.
I thought TL's had this conversation countless times.
Think of the game as an industry, saying it is 'easy' really just means that it has much lower barriers to entry than BW did. If you were new to BW you might need 3 or more years of practice before you might consistently be able to, say, take about 3 of every 100 games played against Flash at his peak of experience and mechanics.
Compare that to SC2, you'd need a lot less 'mileage' of practice for numerous reasons which have just been disputed and mentioned so often that I'll just spare you guys.
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On September 22 2013 18:15 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
At least he is realistic about sc2's decline. We could see him switch out to another sport in a year or 2.
you talk about sc2 decline but what about esports in general? I dont see any esports on US tv? or even in the news for that matter. this big promising game called LOL isnt taking us anywheres, sure it has good twitch viewers but its extremely hard to follow and is to complicated to view for non gamers.
The "game" thats gonna take "esports" to the promise land is gonna be one thats easy to view for non players.
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On September 22 2013 18:18 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:10 Monsen wrote:On September 22 2013 16:50 Cheren wrote:SC2 is pretty hard for a new player to get into though, not everyone has a BW background. If more ppl had a Bw background even less would (still) be playing SC2. It's tough to drive a Prius once you had a Ferrari. Just ask all the retirees. If they won something and then retire saying they don't like the game then their opinions might hold a little more weight.
he is referring to every single person that has ever played BW. Im low masters in SC2 and was D+ in BW so Im as shit as they come and I certainly have never won anything, so my opinion probably wont mean shit to you... but ill share it anyway. BW IS BY FAR THE HARDER AND BETTER GAME.
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On September 22 2013 18:24 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:15 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
At least he is realistic about sc2's decline. We could see him switch out to another sport in a year or 2. you talk about sc2 decline but what about esports in general? I dont see any esports on US tv? or even in the news for that matter. this big promising game called LOL isnt taking us anywheres, sure it has good twitch viewers but its extremely hard to follow and is to complicated to view for non gamers. The "game" thats gonna take "esports" to the promise land is gonna be one thats easy to view for non players.
I hope you know TV isn't really that important :/ also I don't see why you only mention US tv when esports has been on other countries Television channels.
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On September 22 2013 18:10 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 16:50 Cheren wrote:SC2 is pretty hard for a new player to get into though, not everyone has a BW background. If more ppl had a Bw background even less would (still) be playing SC2. It's tough to drive a Prius once you had a Ferrari. Just ask all the retirees.
Both games surely have its merits, but what you are describing is personal preference at best. And SC2 is in a decent spot with still a lot of tournaments even with the bullshit "SC2 is dying bandwagon". Remember where foreigner BW was in comparison? Exactly.
AND we got loads of great koreans as well. Be it lack of passion, not having the same fun as in BW, which would make sense since Flash was (one of?) the best there - he is doing well but not where he was as a champion.
That's actually the hard reality he and his fans have to face instead of shitting all over SC2 because it is more convenient.
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Flash isn't saying the skill ceiling in SC2 is lower than BW (and even if it is, it can't be reached by any human level players lol) - he's obviously talking about beginner players, where yes, a D+ player on Iccup already has the mechanics to be a master-level player on SC2.
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On September 22 2013 18:14 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:11 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote:Flash: This game is very easy. Comparing to SC1, multitasking is easier and hotkeys are easier. So utilizing this part, everyone can play well. If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is. Skill ceiling is a lot lower, so a lot of players are normalized. Even the players do who shine are unnaturally short-lived (Taeja, Innovation). oh give me a break......teaja showed how much more skilled he is at DH, innovations TvT looked terrible , Flash clearly isnt practicing as much so give it up fan boys.
He admitted in interviews before he doesn't play over the weekends and spends at least few hours daily playing league of legends for fun with friends. Don't think he is into playing SC2 at all, he's just staying in the scene for the dollarz.
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On September 22 2013 18:30 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:24 mjnbowlgod wrote:On September 22 2013 18:15 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
At least he is realistic about sc2's decline. We could see him switch out to another sport in a year or 2. you talk about sc2 decline but what about esports in general? I dont see any esports on US tv? or even in the news for that matter. this big promising game called LOL isnt taking us anywheres, sure it has good twitch viewers but its extremely hard to follow and is to complicated to view for non gamers. The "game" thats gonna take "esports" to the promise land is gonna be one thats easy to view for non players. I hope you know TV isn't really that important :/
yea your right...just the fact it would be 10x bigger than it is now
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On September 22 2013 18:33 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:30 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 22 2013 18:24 mjnbowlgod wrote:On September 22 2013 18:15 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
At least he is realistic about sc2's decline. We could see him switch out to another sport in a year or 2. you talk about sc2 decline but what about esports in general? I dont see any esports on US tv? or even in the news for that matter. this big promising game called LOL isnt taking us anywheres, sure it has good twitch viewers but its extremely hard to follow and is to complicated to view for non gamers. The "game" thats gonna take "esports" to the promise land is gonna be one thats easy to view for non players. I hope you know TV isn't really that important :/ yea your right...just the fact it would be 10x bigger than it is now
TV is nice but no non-esports/games people will tune it. and no it wouldn't be 10x larger, also
I don't see why you only mention US tv when esports has been on other countries Television channels.
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On September 22 2013 18:33 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:30 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 22 2013 18:24 mjnbowlgod wrote:On September 22 2013 18:15 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
At least he is realistic about sc2's decline. We could see him switch out to another sport in a year or 2. you talk about sc2 decline but what about esports in general? I dont see any esports on US tv? or even in the news for that matter. this big promising game called LOL isnt taking us anywheres, sure it has good twitch viewers but its extremely hard to follow and is to complicated to view for non gamers. The "game" thats gonna take "esports" to the promise land is gonna be one thats easy to view for non players. I hope you know TV isn't really that important :/ yea your right...just the fact it would be 10x bigger than it is now
Then go and watch LoL or DotA or CS:GO or Streetfighter on TV.
Oh wait...
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On September 22 2013 18:14 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:11 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote:Flash: This game is very easy. Comparing to SC1, multitasking is easier and hotkeys are easier. So utilizing this part, everyone can play well. If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is. Skill ceiling is a lot lower, so a lot of players are normalized. Even the players do who shine are unnaturally short-lived (Taeja, Innovation). oh give me a break......teaja showed how much more skilled he is at DH, innovations TvT looked terrible , Flash clearly isnt practicing as much so give it up fan boys.
Its true. Just take a look at bomber, the wcs season 2 grand finalist and how he couldn't even make it to the ro16 this season..
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On September 22 2013 18:35 YyapSsap wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:14 mjnbowlgod wrote:On September 22 2013 18:11 DemigodcelpH wrote:On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote:Flash: This game is very easy. Comparing to SC1, multitasking is easier and hotkeys are easier. So utilizing this part, everyone can play well. If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is. Skill ceiling is a lot lower, so a lot of players are normalized. Even the players do who shine are unnaturally short-lived (Taeja, Innovation). oh give me a break......teaja showed how much more skilled he is at DH, innovations TvT looked terrible , Flash clearly isnt practicing as much so give it up fan boys. Its true. Just take a look at bomber, the wcs season 2 grand finalist and how he couldn't even make it to the ro16 this season..
Bomber was figured out, what is surprising here?
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On September 22 2013 18:24 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:15 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
At least he is realistic about sc2's decline. We could see him switch out to another sport in a year or 2. you talk about sc2 decline but what about esports in general? I dont see any esports on US tv? or even in the news for that matter. this big promising game called LOL isnt taking us anywheres, sure it has good twitch viewers but its extremely hard to follow and is to complicated to view for non gamers. The "game" thats gonna take "esports" to the promise land is gonna be one thats easy to view for non players.
there was esports on usa tv.The game being played on espn was halo2.I think magic the gathering was also on espn 2.On usa tv you get if you are popular with american audience.And the way wcs na is right now with 99% non english speakers that will never make tv.I am sorry but on television stuff works differently:you are entertaining and you make viewers you are on.If not you are off and sc2 isn't reknowned for viewers in na.If a game will make it to usa tv it iwll most likely be cod because they are very strong in the na scene and also have lots of americans to entertain the crowds
On September 22 2013 18:18 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:10 Monsen wrote:On September 22 2013 16:50 Cheren wrote:SC2 is pretty hard for a new player to get into though, not everyone has a BW background. If more ppl had a Bw background even less would (still) be playing SC2. It's tough to drive a Prius once you had a Ferrari. Just ask all the retirees. If they won something and then retire saying they don't like the game then their opinions might hold a little more weight.
Yeah man you are right.what does flash know who has been in the scene for almost 7 years and accomplished more than most sc players?what does huk know?what do the korean coaches know?What do the streamers now?Their oppinion does not hold any weight.
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On September 22 2013 18:11 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote:Flash: This game is very easy. Comparing to SC1, multitasking is easier and hotkeys are easier. So utilizing this part, everyone can play well. If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is. Skill ceiling is a lot lower, so a lot of players are normalized. Even the players do who shine are unnaturally short-lived (Taeja, Innovation).
how would you know it's lower when no ones reached it yet?
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Jesus hell, his input on the situation of players retiring is astounding!
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His answers are very mature and rational. Nice interview.
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On September 22 2013 18:24 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:15 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
At least he is realistic about sc2's decline. We could see him switch out to another sport in a year or 2. you talk about sc2 decline but what about esports in general? I dont see any esports on US tv? or even in the news for that matter. this big promising game called LOL isnt taking us anywheres, sure it has good twitch viewers but its extremely hard to follow and is to complicated to view for non gamers. The "game" thats gonna take "esports" to the promise land is gonna be one thats easy to view for non players.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/08/24/league-of-legends-finals-sells-out-las-staples-center-in-an-hour/
the lol scene is exploding in size
their world championship location. tickets got sold out within an hour.
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Some (cherry picked, perhaps) quotes from Flash.
" Terran is a race with limited diversity, and my strategic diversity is even more limited"
"Who doesn’t know that SC2 is facing difficulties? "
This is the Elephant in the room. The problems with SC2 have been well studied and described for a long time now.
The limited diversity of terran is only one of them. Instead, large parts of the community have a very negative attitude towards even discussing this. Let alone to do something about it.
Make yourselves heard. Stop being so damn politically correct. It is dumb.
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