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jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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Dragoonstorm7
United States599 Posts
well, it gives opportunity for someone else to step up and get to season finals. | ||
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Advocado
Denmark994 Posts
On September 17 2013 06:28 Zealously wrote: So NA competes with KR in LoL, I take it? At least we get actual Foreign teams with foreign players in LCS who has the backing of sponsors instead of koreans hogging all the sponsorship. Its bad for the scene and the WCS finals has a SINGLE NON KOREAN from all regions qualified?!?! | ||
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Dragoonstorm7
United States599 Posts
On September 17 2013 14:57 Advocado wrote: At least we get actual Foreign teams with foreign players in LCS who has the backing of sponsors instead of koreans hogging all the sponsorship. Its bad for the scene and the WCS finals has a SINGLE NON KOREAN from all regions qualified?!?! Foreign teams in LoL are actually not that bad tho. I know people say the koreans are way better, but based on the World Championship so far koreans arent really much better than everyone else. The problem for Sc2 is that foreigners just ARE much much much worse than the koreans and EVERYONE knows it (countess examples). LCS has been smart in keeping actual regional comparisons to a bare minimum so no one really knows how the regions match up. Its simply too late for sc2 to do the same because there is no doubt, there is no mystery: koreans are far better. So much so that its a joke to consider a foreigner as top 16 talent-wise, and since WCS is meant to put the BEST 16 players in the World Finals, it makes sense that they are korean. | ||
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azzih
Germany98 Posts
In middle future the foreign scene will be dead and irrelevant like in Brood War a few years ago, SC will only be a niche here. And with popularity decreasing the money will also go. Why should a company sponsor a game tounament when only having a few people watching? This will also hurt koreans, cause like 80% of the money comes from western companies. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 17 2013 17:11 azzih wrote: Yeah no doubt that 16 koreans are by far better and deserve to be in the world finals. But this hurts SC2's popularity in longterm. An only-koreans tournament will get less viewers, and koreans invading local leagues and tournaments and winning it every single time only increases the skill gap between foreign and koreans scene. In middle feature the foreign scene will be dead and irrelevant like in Brood War a few years ago, SC will only be a niche here. And with popularity decreasing the money will also go. Why should a company sponsor a game tounament when only having a few people watching? This will also hurt koreans, cause like 80% of the money comes from western companies. There's no way to prevent this besides locking the Koreans away in Korea, this is an inevitability of the scene. People will either accept it and keep watching or move onto something else. I think there are enough fans who will watch Koreans to keep a decently strong foreign scene around for a while yet to come. I mean every single premier tournament in HotS has been won by a Korean player and people are still watching, not as many as before but It's still enough to justify putting the events on. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 17 2013 12:03 Caladan wrote: That said - that's not a whine or anything, just a response to this fail post I quoted... -_- This has been discussed to death, tbh. It gets pretty tiring when there aren't really any good arguments for region locking right now (there could be in the future, with better support infrastructure and a more even playing field, etc). Very few actually make good arguments for it other than pumping Blizz's cash into the "local scene". You'd be surprised; I've only ever had one warning and it was for all caps, of all things. And I'm only a temp, I receive no special favors (I'm sure someone else will pick up the slack premaking LR OPs) On September 17 2013 13:39 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Looks like you are not better than these "self entitled whiners" A whiner about whiners, definitely. Self entitled, when I am calling for meritocracy, no. | ||
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Abacus1
Australia45 Posts
No Americans making it in the WCS America region? Get better at Starcraft. The Koreans don't have super powers, they just have a better work ethic and infrastructure. Was surprised aLive didn't get out of the group, bit disappointing. Hopefully he can maintain that top 16 spot with all of his other great finishes so far. Blizzcon here we come! | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On September 17 2013 11:02 astray71 wrote: Who's betting on Taeja winning this whole thing? I'm hoping for a Hero vs Taeja finals and Hero's my favorite player, but I'm not sure if he will win like Dreamhack. Does Hero counter Taeja still because he knows his play style or is Taeja on a different level from all the others? I certainly do. For starters, he has a laughable Ro32 group, so that should be a walkover for him. But sill, Polt and Scarlet I guess can give him a run for his money. I would be afraid of Polt in particular, because I am not sure about Taeja's TvT - are there any good recent Taeja TvT that are not against Innovation? He has given him some pretty good beatings, but I think that it doesn't tell a whole lo, Taeja just knows how to play against Inno. edit: lol, this was already played? TL writers slowly achieving Artosis-level of predictive power?  Anyway, I still don't understand why can't you guys put the time of the event in the header of the post ... | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 17 2013 17:52 opisska wrote: edit: lol, this was already played? TL writers slowly achieving Artosis-level of predictive power? Anyway, I still don't understand why can't you guys put the time of the event in the header of the post ... That's a good point actually | ||
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crazyweasel
607 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 18 2013 02:05 crazyweasel wrote: I bet 2-3 player wont get their visas............ Yeah that'd be really shitty if it happened again. An easy solution would be to move America's WCS region to a more accessible country. Maybe somewhere in South America? It's not like anyone important is really coming out of the North American scene anyway! | ||
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Dragoonstorm7
United States599 Posts
On September 18 2013 02:08 Zealously wrote: Yeah that'd be really shitty if it happened again. An easy solution would be to move America's WCS region to a more accessible country. Maybe somewhere in South America? It's not like anyone important is really coming out of the North American scene anyway! Why move it to SA when you can just move it a bit North to the easily accessible (and awesome) country of Canada? No one comes out of SA either, but a certain Scarlett hails from Canada ...  | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On September 18 2013 02:08 Zealously wrote: Yeah that'd be really shitty if it happened again. An easy solution would be to move America's WCS region to a more accessible country. Maybe somewhere in South America? It's not like anyone important is really coming out of the North American scene anyway! Move it to Korea, keep the title. Boom, problem solved. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On September 18 2013 06:00 Zenbrez wrote: Move it to Korea, keep the title. Boom, problem solved. That's actually a surprisingly good idea! However absurd it sounds, it would bring the whole things to the most relevant players, including all the Chinese and potentially SEA players. But I think we all understand how unlikely it is - I think that while there are not many US players at the moment, the whole point of pretending that WCS NA has something to do with the US is to improve the US viewership. If it were in Korea, would someone really watch it, when you can watch the GSL? Also, how would any resist the temptation to let GOMTV produce it once it is in Korea, losing any distinction between WCS NA an "code some letter very far from S". To this end, also NASL is in the US and they are doing a pretty good job producing the league now. Ad Canada: I am not sure that it is so easily accessible. Not sure about now, but a couple of years ago, even I would require visa to Canada. Accessibility is really when SA shines, most of the countries don't give a shit who enters, as long as they pay the reciprocity fee, provided that the they come from a country that imposes a visa fee on the given SA country (luckily I have it free everywhere, except for the exit fee from Bolivia, but that's small change). | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 18 2013 06:07 opisska wrote: That's actually a surprisingly good idea! However absurd it sounds, it would bring the whole things to the most relevant players, including all the Chinese and potentially SEA players. But I think we all understand how unlikely it is - I think that while there are not many US players at the moment, the whole point of pretending that WCS NA has something to do with the US is to improve the US viewership. If it were in Korea, would someone really watch it, when you can watch the GSL? Also, how would any resist the temptation to let GOMTV produce it once it is in Korea, losing any distinction between WCS NA an "code some letter very far from S". To this end, also NASL is in the US and they are doing a pretty good job producing the league now. Ad Canada: I am not sure that it is so easily accessible. Not sure about now, but a couple of years ago, even I would require visa to Canada. Accessibility is really when SA shines, most of the countries don't give a shit who enters, as long as they pay the reciprocity fee, provided that the they come from a country that imposes a visa fee on the given SA country (luckily I have it free everywhere, except for the exit fee from Bolivia, but that's small change). Canada is fairly accessible, for the purposes at hand. South Koreans don't need Visas to go to Canada, nor do Americans, and its probably slightly easier for someone who's Chinese to get a Visa to Canada than the U.S. (also, basically all countries in NA or SA need Visas for people from China). Your personal experience might not be the best, since Canada insists on a Visa from Czech people, due to all the people coming here and asking for asylum, but that's an exception, not the rule for European countries. | ||
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HooiFork
Netherlands27 Posts
If they would region lock imo even more people would stop watching. I mean doesnt it make sense that people watch a game because its of a good skill. If i see random player X vs random player Y and they both suck, im not having fun. Doesnt matter much where they are from. If i see a match like Innovation vs Soulkey that is fun, just as Alive - Hack will be. (yes hack is good) But well its a fact americans are patriots and thats the problem. U rather watch bad quality american stuff then good quality stuff from outside the border. I watch WCS EU and AM and i enjoy the koreans there, for one they raise play level which makes games more fun to watch, and for 2 (which noone has thought about) They also raise your own american player levels. If they only have to play against themselves they will never get the same level of training as they would with koreans. Suppy is good ,because in EG he can train with Taeja and Hero. Thats just common sense. So just be grateful that koreans are coming to there, so u might see scarlett or suppy actually win a big tourney instead of being fringe (at maximum) forever. Kind regards, and no Offence | ||
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
Also, here's one positive that for some reason no one seems to consider when this debate comes up: Korean players who dedicate an enormous amount of time to StarCraft and become amazingly good at it can actually make money and compete instead of being stuck in Code B. It does kind of suck for fans of only foreign players, but all you have to do is manage to be a fan of some Korean players, and your problem is solved. (although I admit, I'm not really sure how easy/hard this would be, since liking Koreans came naturally to me) | ||
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